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Superman 2025 (3 Viewers)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Can’t wait, going Saturday. Reminds me of the originals.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
A strategy of "My movie is about kindness and if you don't agree, screw you" is pretty bold. I'm interested to see how it works out for them.
Capella
Footballguy
Where did anybody associated with the studio say the screw you part?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I know nothing about any of this but this is what I saw.
Seems pretty weird to say a movie is about kindness and if you dont like it youre a jerk.
Also, after some googling, it seems if you dont like the movie your are likely a right wing extremist.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
America loves faux controversies.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
This. Controversy leads to interest. Essentially its just the tabloid section of the grocery store in your face at all times.
Hope the movie is good. If it isnt, I'll live.
Capella
Footballguy
I took it as a response to people threatening to review bomb it but idk. I’m excited to see the movie, can’t imagine working myself up into a lather about this kind of stuff.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think the kernel that started the controversy (beside Gunn’s quote and I agree with your interpretation of it) is that Superman is technically an immigrant and the overall story is about dealing with the “fear” that comes with someone being different. From there it ballooned into being a “woke” movie.
It’s all just so silly.
Capella
Footballguy
That’s even more insane because Superman being an immigrant and trying to figure out human culture has been a huge part of his story since pretty much he was created? Jor El in Supe I has a whole *** monologue describing how humans are different.
The internet and cable tv has fried so many brains. Superman hasn’t changed, the people consuming the story have.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
None of this was said in a vacuum. There had already been online campaigns against the movie from two distinct sets of influencers. One was the insane Snyder-verse cultists. The other was from the same guys who constantly complain about wokeness destroying Star Wars and ****. And yeah, screw those guys.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Also in a vacuum I would say you're right about both those groups.
But from a business and marketing standpoint it's better to not engage with those people lest people who aren't part of those groups think you ARE talking about them. Which is now bound to happen. Particularly on the heels of the Snow White debacle.
Really I just found Gunn's statement rather ironic. It's easy to respond to kindness with kindness. His movie's message would have more impact if he could have responded to UNkindness with kindness.
Now that I've read that the movie is intentionally a bit cornball I'm more interested in seeing it. Maybe the the movie can deliver a message of not taking oneself too seriously.
MTskibum
Footballguy
This movie will be a hard pass for me. Same reason I dont like the new marvel movies, the superheros are too powerful.
Give me Loki, wandavision, spiderman, etc. Give me a low stakes super hero movie trying to save a few people or a small town, not some superpowerful godlike being saving the world/universe.
Give me Loki, wandavision, spiderman, etc. Give me a low stakes super hero movie trying to save a few people or a small town, not some superpowerful godlike being saving the world/universe.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Commercial i saw for it seemed like they were making Superman funny/goofy/irreverent...kinda like PG rated Deadpool. That rubbed me weird- seemed out of character...i prefer naive/honest/stoic superman.
But thats seeing one single ad, so i admit i could be completely off on that take.
Foe those that have seen- am i wrong?
But thats seeing one single ad, so i admit i could be completely off on that take.
Foe those that have seen- am i wrong?
Gunn said he didn't want a super powerful superman - and he delivered
need2know
Footballguy
Weird take.
Superman is supposed to be legit the strongest being on earth. Anything less would be odd
Harry Manback
Footballguy
Agreed. He has ALWAYS been an immigrant who stood tall for the underdog and oppressed. His messaging as always been "woke".
Gunn provides some comedy but the essence of superman remains
MTskibum
Footballguy
I have many weird takes.
beer 30
Footballguy
Jeez, we can politize anything these days. Go watch the freaking movie or don't. Nobody cares how you vote
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I’ll probably see it at some point when it’s streaming. Despite being a comic nerd I never really cared for Superman, haven’t really liked any of the Superman movies to date
need2know
Footballguy
the old ones are corny but i kinda liked the first 2
the newest one i liked was with first one with cavill vs zod. that was cool
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That's not Superman
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm a fan of Man of Steel.
It's a bird!That's not Superman
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Me too. It’s gotta be better than Snyder’s renditions. Batman vs Superman was legit one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I tried watching it again a couple months ago - turned it off after about 30 minutes. I was trying to get through it to watch the Snyder Cut of Justice League but I just can't with either.
Capella
Footballguy
Unbelievably bad movie. They really fumbled the concept.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
So it's like the 13th released Superman movie. And let me get this straight. The villain is a billionaire named Lex Luther? Sounds new age and riveting. Ha ha. I'm also absolutely super heroed out. Like no more.
Having said all that, I will always have a soft spot for Mr Superman. With the summer heat in full tilt, I may head to the theatre. Smh. Stupid super hero movies. Ha ha
Having said all that, I will always have a soft spot for Mr Superman. With the summer heat in full tilt, I may head to the theatre. Smh. Stupid super hero movies. Ha ha
need2know
Footballguy
snyders last few movies have sucked big time
need2know
Footballguy
and they decided to fit doomsday, wonder woman, and like 3 other story lines into one terrible movie
Saw it last night.
Spoiler free observations:
The first 30 minutes or so are a little disjointed. Gunn drops you into an already established universe and the first 30 minutes you're finding your heading.
Nicholas Hoult and David Corenswet are great in their roles. Hoult in particular. I think his is the best Lex Luthor...by far (RIP Gene Hackman). Like all great comic villains...he's not exactly WRONG in his reasonings.
I don't think Brandon Routh gets enough credit for being a Christopher Reeve style Superman (lets all admit...Reeve is the best)....but Corenswet is an excellent Gen Z version of a Christopher Reeve Superman.
In typical Gunn fashion (particularly Guardians 3 Gunn) he'll tug on the heart strings a bit.....but none of the characters are as pop-ish or snarky as the Guardians characters.
Snyders Man of Steel gave us a great physical threat in Michael Shannons Zod....but Gunn gives us a Superman who does feel vulnerable. Some don't like him being a little de-powered, but it does add to the story.
Gunn did a great setting up future movies in this DCU. It really does feel like it has the potential to be as limitless as the MCU.
Spoiler free observations:
The first 30 minutes or so are a little disjointed. Gunn drops you into an already established universe and the first 30 minutes you're finding your heading.
Nicholas Hoult and David Corenswet are great in their roles. Hoult in particular. I think his is the best Lex Luthor...by far (RIP Gene Hackman). Like all great comic villains...he's not exactly WRONG in his reasonings.
I don't think Brandon Routh gets enough credit for being a Christopher Reeve style Superman (lets all admit...Reeve is the best)....but Corenswet is an excellent Gen Z version of a Christopher Reeve Superman.
In typical Gunn fashion (particularly Guardians 3 Gunn) he'll tug on the heart strings a bit.....but none of the characters are as pop-ish or snarky as the Guardians characters.
Snyders Man of Steel gave us a great physical threat in Michael Shannons Zod....but Gunn gives us a Superman who does feel vulnerable. Some don't like him being a little de-powered, but it does add to the story.
Gunn did a great setting up future movies in this DCU. It really does feel like it has the potential to be as limitless as the MCU.
SpurrierisisGod
Footballguy
Took the 8 year old twins yesterday and it was great for a family outing. It is a little pg-13ish but not bad. It is more true to the comic book version of superman which was great for us because the twins are constantly asking "who would win? Superman or Thor?" So it opened a good comics discussion. This is the Lex Luther we deserved. Perfect to me.
Almost campy but not overly so. You could tell Gunn is throwing a lot of possibilities to open up the universe in the future. Its definitely not the brooding, explosions, constant tension, summer blockbuster type of movie but isn't as quirky as Guardians. Twins gave it a 9 out of 10. I say 8.
Almost campy but not overly so. You could tell Gunn is throwing a lot of possibilities to open up the universe in the future. Its definitely not the brooding, explosions, constant tension, summer blockbuster type of movie but isn't as quirky as Guardians. Twins gave it a 9 out of 10. I say 8.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Thought it was fantastic. Much lighter than previous DC movies and set the tone for more movies to come but just fun to watch which the Snyder Superman’s weren’t.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Loved it - welcome back DC. Can't believe Marvel let Gunn get away.
Best Superman since my fave Superman II. Absolutely crazy to think its political - if this is political then some are way too deep down the rabbit hole.
Definite Guardians vibe but wisely not over the top with jokes - perfect return to comic book style instead of the last 10+ yrs of dark gritty DC that couldnt build on anything. This was fun - great to look at - perfect summer popcorn movie with the kids.
Go see it - especially on IMAX if possible
Best Superman since my fave Superman II. Absolutely crazy to think its political - if this is political then some are way too deep down the rabbit hole.
Definite Guardians vibe but wisely not over the top with jokes - perfect return to comic book style instead of the last 10+ yrs of dark gritty DC that couldnt build on anything. This was fun - great to look at - perfect summer popcorn movie with the kids.
Go see it - especially on IMAX if possible
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I saw it and really liked it! I'd give it a B+ overall. Much lighter in tone than the depressing Snyder movies. Lots of comic easter eggs in there. I think David and Rachel did a great job as Supes and Lois. Christopher Reeves is still the top Superman in my book (well for the first 2 movies, 3 and 4 were trash), but David did a great job. I really like Henry Cavill, but his material wasn't up to snuff. I thought Hoult was just OK as Lex Luthor, Gene Hackman remains the bar for the character.
Nathan Fillion was great in his role, and I like the other 2 members of the gang as well. Looking forward to see how they expand it. Krypto was awesome. There is a cameo at the end I won't spoil, but I didn't like the first interaction with that character (although my son told me it is somewhat comic accurate).
I didn't see the movie being political at all, and that is from someone who is center-right. I really think if you were offended by anything in that movie, you went in expecting to be offended and reached for something.
Nathan Fillion was great in his role, and I like the other 2 members of the gang as well. Looking forward to see how they expand it. Krypto was awesome. There is a cameo at the end I won't spoil, but I didn't like the first interaction with that character (although my son told me it is somewhat comic accurate).
I didn't see the movie being political at all, and that is from someone who is center-right. I really think if you were offended by anything in that movie, you went in expecting to be offended and reached for something.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Great writeup, even if we differ a little on Hoult. You brought up something I meant to mention. I've never been the biggest Superman fan because he is often portrayed as being too powerful. The stakes don't seem to be there since he is nigh invulnerable (I really loved how they exploited one of his known weaknesses though). In this movie, he did not seem all powerful, which I actually appreciated.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Not IMAX but going to see it on ScreenX tonight. I saw Thunderbolts on ScreenX and I'm excited to see if this one is done as well as that one was (viewing experience-wise). Will report back!
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
The 3D version was pretty awesome. It wasn’t gimmicky, like things continually jumping out at you. It added depth and after a few minutes it felt natural.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
My take: It was ok, not great. 7/10 is my IMDB rating.
The good:
- Uses John Williams musical motifs. Makes a lot of sense, why would you throw out one of the most iconic scores of all time (hint to Disney re: Star Wars)
- Is almost a sequel to the 1978 and 1980 Superman movies - good and similar mix of action, humor, drama, and romance. They were a winning combination 45 years ago and they are a winning combination today.
- ScreenX was very enjoyable. Just as well done as Thunderbolts in terms of use of the technology. I like it much better than 3D for an action movie, and like how it expands to the sides in the expansive moments but stays on the front screen only when that level of immersion isn't helpful.
- Some of the casting was excellent - Superman, Lex Luthor, Lois Lane, Perry White (Bunk!), and Jimmy Olson were excellent choices. And every movie is better with Alan Tudyk in it. I also appreciated that the movie wasn't just full of beautiful people, but some of the main actors were portrayed with more down to earth, natural looks than the typical Hollywood glamour and beauty.
- Stays grounded in the lore and themes of Superman while also realistically portraying some of the modern sensibilities that you would expect to color the situation. How would people handle Superman on social media today? How would politicians address him with the public? Interesting questions, worth exploring and I think Gunn did a good job with it.
- It looks great.
- Krypto definitely steals the show.
- Some of the casting or design choices were not as good (Green Lantern in particular was distracting in the way he was portrayed). Martha and Johnathan Kent weren't so great either.
- The characters lacked depth and believability imo. This movie has DC's dna on it - colorful, comic-y, but lacking the emotional heft that Marvel excels at.
- It doesn't break any new ground at all really, and didn't in any way make me want to see the next DC-verse offering.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Saying you want Loki or Wanda because you don’t want superpowerful beings is an interesting take.
MTskibum
Footballguy
The power of the super hero is irrivelent, more the stakes at play is what i was referring too. You don't have to save the country/world/universe in every movie.
Wandavision was just a single town, The first loki was just about trying to find someone and then eventually trying to escape/stay alive. Agatha all along was just about getting powers back/escaping.
These are more low stake than the Dr Strange's, avengers, ms marvel, etc.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Ok. Just seemed weird given that the two you referenced are among the most powerful “people” in the MCU. Especially the second Loki.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Yesterday I learned that the guy who plays Superman went to my high school.
D-Day
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I guess I'll be the contrarian and say that I didn't like it at all.
I have a laundry list of things I rolled my eyes at; from the barely better than The Flash CGI to the ranging from uninteresting to downright annoying characters, and finishing with the Dog Ex Machina device of Krypto.
The worst was the outright changing of basic Superman mythos. Okay, that's not true - the worst was Guy Gardner's Anton Chigurh haircut. I know that's what the character looks like but that doesn't mean I want to see it on the big screen.
At least it wasn't woke like it was suspected to be. But neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I have a laundry list of things I rolled my eyes at; from the barely better than The Flash CGI to the ranging from uninteresting to downright annoying characters, and finishing with the Dog Ex Machina device of Krypto.
The worst was the outright changing of basic Superman mythos. Okay, that's not true - the worst was Guy Gardner's Anton Chigurh haircut. I know that's what the character looks like but that doesn't mean I want to see it on the big screen.
At least it wasn't woke like it was suspected to be. But neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
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