Survivor Season 48 - David is 1 Angry Dude (3 Viewers)

[Courtjester]

Finally so glad they are gone!!

 

[Pip's Invitation]

It’s probably not in his character but I did wonder if Joe dropped deliberately so as to guarantee that Sai would not make the jury. He was vocal last week about not wanting Charity AND Sai on the jury.

Sai left appropriately. She could have worked with Mitch and Chrissy to use Mitch’s block-a-vote to take out Eva or Star, but she refused to work with Mitch because he had previously voted for her. Horrible gameplay.

 

[FarFromHome]

Solid episode. The two characters that should have went got voted off. Imo.
The smart move would have been Shahim though. Cedric was like one of those all time bad players. Absolutely horrible in challenges. Just so wishy washy that you can't play with him. Just a bad player. Although Sai would have been tough to be around I will say she was about as genuine as u can be. Tip of the cap girl. She was who she was.

 

[The Dude]

The smart vote was Ava. Priori to the votes the split was like evenly split nerd group to studs. Now it’s 6-4 studs

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The smart vote was Ava. Priori to the votes the split was like evenly split nerd group to studs. Now it’s 6-4 studs

None of the non-studs, with the possible exception of Kamilla, have any idea that the studs are allied together.

 

[The Dude]

The smart vote was Ava. Priori to the votes the split was like evenly split nerd group to studs. Now it’s 6-4 studs

None of the non-studs, with the possible exception of Kamilla, have any idea that the studs are allied together.

She could dominate if she flipped and ran the non stud group.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The smart vote was Ava. Priori to the votes the split was like evenly split nerd group to studs. Now it’s 6-4 studs

None of the non-studs, with the possible exception of Kamilla, have any idea that the studs are allied together.

She could dominate if she flipped and ran the non stud group.

She and Kyle are being depicted as the best strategic players. The way my brain processes the edit makes me think that one of them is our winner. But occasionally a dominant alliance makes it to the end, and this could be one of those years.

 

[Pipes]

I'm curious how long David could've gone. Dude looked like he was chillin on the beach.

 

[offdee]

I'm curious how long David could've gone. Dude looked like he was chillin on the beach.

He’s a stuntman so his hands are probably so calloused and grip strength crazy from hanging onto ropes and sides of buildings and mountains all day everyday.

 

[Riffraff]

I wonder if David will wreck future contestants on the event in the future. 25% of the body weight = too easy, let's bump that up a bit.
It's only supposed to take 15 minutes and he could have gone hours.

 

[Shaft41]

I wish, after he dropped out in 4 seconds, that they would have put Cedrek in David's bucket to see how long he could have lasted with that.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I wonder if David will wreck future contestants on the event in the future. 25% of the body weight = too easy, let's bump that up a bit.
It's only supposed to take 15 minutes and he could have gone hours.

Doubt it. I’m pretty sure they realize David is a major outlier.

 

[Raging weasel]

It’s probably not in his character but I did wonder if Joe dropped deliberately so as to guarantee that Sai would not make the jury. He was vocal last week about not wanting Charity AND Sai on the jury.

Sai left appropriately. She could have worked with Mitch and Chrissy to use Mitch’s block-a-vote to take out Eva or Star, but she refused to work with Mitch because he had previously voted for her. Horrible gameplay.

I read an interview with Sai where she said if she had made the jury she would only vote for Jeff to win. Wasn't mentioned but I'd have to think there is a rule that jury members must participate in voting for the winner.

 

[Shaft41]

It’s probably not in his character but I did wonder if Joe dropped deliberately so as to guarantee that Sai would not make the jury. He was vocal last week about not wanting Charity AND Sai on the jury.

Sai left appropriately. She could have worked with Mitch and Chrissy to use Mitch’s block-a-vote to take out Eva or Star, but she refused to work with Mitch because he had previously voted for her. Horrible gameplay.

I read an interview with Sai where she said if she had made the jury she would only vote for Jeff to win. Wasn't mentioned but I'd have to think there is a rule that jury members must participate in voting for the winner.

I didn't read the interview, but I saw that she said she would have been a bitter juror and not voted for someone to win. I agree, there's gotta be a rule against that, and, I don't believe for one minute she would have actually tried it. She's just trying to extend her 15 minutes with "shocking" statements now that she's off in the slim hope she'll get invited back.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

It’s probably not in his character but I did wonder if Joe dropped deliberately so as to guarantee that Sai would not make the jury. He was vocal last week about not wanting Charity AND Sai on the jury.

Sai left appropriately. She could have worked with Mitch and Chrissy to use Mitch’s block-a-vote to take out Eva or Star, but she refused to work with Mitch because he had previously voted for her. Horrible gameplay.

I read an interview with Sai where she said if she had made the jury she would only vote for Jeff to win. Wasn't mentioned but I'd have to think there is a rule that jury members must participate in voting for the winner.

I didn't read the interview, but I saw that she said she would have been a bitter juror and not voted for someone to win. I agree, there's gotta be a rule against that, and, I don't believe for one minute she would have actually tried it. She's just trying to extend her 15 minutes with "shocking" statements now that she's off in the slim hope she'll get invited back.

She’s a maroon. Self inflated ego and righteousness that must be a real joy for those that get to deal with her in real life.

 

[TLEF316]

I wonder if David will wreck future contestants on the event in the future. 25% of the body weight = too easy, let's bump that up a bit.
It's only supposed to take 15 minutes and he could have gone hours.

Doubt it. I’m pretty sure they realize David is a major outlier.

Yeah dude was just a freak who was built for that challenge. I'm not some massive survivor historian, but I feel like he might be the 2nd biggest muscled up dude in the history of the show (after Grave-digger James)

Guessing he probably weighed close to 230-240 lbs when he started the show. So he was holding close to 60 lbs up there. Crazy hand strength.

Some people are just built to do certain tasks. Just like how every time they do that "hang on a pole by your legs" challenge, some 105 lb girl sits up there for an hour like its nothing while all the men drop off in 2 mins.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I wonder if David will wreck future contestants on the event in the future. 25% of the body weight = too easy, let's bump that up a bit.
It's only supposed to take 15 minutes and he could have gone hours.

Doubt it. I’m pretty sure they realize David is a major outlier.

Yeah dude was just a freak who was built for that challenge. I'm not some massive survivor historian, but I feel like he might be the 2nd biggest muscled up dude in the history of the show (after Grave-digger James)

Some people are just built to do certain tasks. Just like how every time they do that "hang on a pole by your legs" challenge, some 105 lb girl sits up there for an hour like its nothing while all the men drop off in 2 mins.

Fun fact:

Individual immunity challenges won by Gravedigger James in 3 seasons: 0

 

[Pip's Invitation]

It’s probably not in his character but I did wonder if Joe dropped deliberately so as to guarantee that Sai would not make the jury. He was vocal last week about not wanting Charity AND Sai on the jury.

Sai left appropriately. She could have worked with Mitch and Chrissy to use Mitch’s block-a-vote to take out Eva or Star, but she refused to work with Mitch because he had previously voted for her. Horrible gameplay.

I read an interview with Sai where she said if she had made the jury she would only vote for Jeff to win. Wasn't mentioned but I'd have to think there is a rule that jury members must participate in voting for the winner.

I didn't read the interview, but I saw that she said she would have been a bitter juror and not voted for someone to win. I agree, there's gotta be a rule against that, and, I don't believe for one minute she would have actually tried it. She's just trying to extend her 15 minutes with "shocking" statements now that she's off in the slim hope she'll get invited back.

Yep. The rules are pretty explicit about who you can and can't vote for. This after Season 1, when at their first tribal council, the Pagong tribe tried to vote Jeff out.

 

[Corporation]

I wonder if David will wreck future contestants on the event in the future. 25% of the body weight = too easy, let's bump that up a bit.
It's only supposed to take 15 minutes and he could have gone hours.

Doubt it. I’m pretty sure they realize David is a major outlier.

Yeah dude was just a freak who was built for that challenge. I'm not some massive survivor historian, but I feel like he might be the 2nd biggest muscled up dude in the history of the show (after Grave-digger James)

Guessing he probably weighed close to 230-240 lbs when he started the show. So he was holding close to 60 lbs up there. Crazy hand strength.

Some people are just built to do certain tasks. Just like how every time they do that "hang on a pole by your legs" challenge, some 105 lb girl sits up there for an hour like its nothing while all the men drop off in 2 mins.

Hey, let's use those spoiler tags Good call.

Mary gets in one of my favorite lines so far early in the episode, after Kyle thinks he can take out a hyena she tells him that maybe it will bite his wart off. I really like Mary. I really like a whole bunch of people on this show, and the last one with a strong negative lean got the boot in Chrissy. Love how they are voting this year.

Schoolyard pick on the couples was very revealing. Smart move. David was right in thinking Kamilla is a much bigger threat than Chrissy, but for the wrong reason. He has her aligned with Shaheen rather than Kyle. David was completely wrong in how he went about this however. He has alienated himself from just about everyone except for Mary. Really didn't like his aggressiveness and almost condescension to Kyle. I think this will bite him as early as next week.

Kamilla again masterfully played tribal council, saying everything the strong people wanted to hear as Chrissy just inexplicable cooked her own goose. She wasn't going to win anyway, but even after realizing she stepped in it last TC, she doubled down this time. And again I love Star's energy. She knows they are sticking her with the red ball, but she doesn't complain. She has great energy at tribal. I feel probably the worst for Mitch. He's a good player who just could not find traction.

• Rooting to win - Joe remains my favorite.
• Pulling for - Eva, Star, Mitch, Kamilla, Mary, Kyle, and Shauhin. slight reordering
• Moved towards more neutral - David. He could have handled how and why he wanted Kamilla out better. His aggression towards Kyle was oft putting.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Horrible episode for David. The comment "this isn't good jury management" was so true towards him. His social game just tanked this episode.

 

[Riffraff]

Ep 8

Spoiler: What's the largest animal you can beat with your bare hands?

Firefighter Chrissy reeling from her anti-honest play schpiel. Feeling the heat and a target. Guess no fiery camaraderie with Firefighter Joe.
Both PE Teacher Mitch and Professor Shauhin relieved to be still around, but concerned.

Day 15
Topic for discussion: What's the largest animal you can beat with your bare hands?

Tree Mail - everyone sitting/facing the camera except Sales Star - odd.
Really shows who the popular kids in school are on who gets to speak. Joe cool is the prom king.
Pick your duos - they battle in pairs today. Let's see who chooses to play with whom.
Some very familiar pairings. Gotta like allies Software Kamilla and Attorney Kyle avoiding each other again. Teams did pair up male+female.

Strong 5 + Counselor Mary planning on a mass vote against Chrissy.
Mitch wants the OG Civa 5 to band together. He's on the bottom and needs protection.

Challenge - Stage 1 - Go low through narrow tunnel and dig through sand to pick up a puzzle piece and dig in a spot for another piece. 3 pairs advance.
Twist: First 2 pairs out go on a journey where their vote will be at risk. Star/Mitch, Shauhin/Kamilla, the bottom stay on the bottom.
Stuntman David/Mary should have had David go first as Mary is smaller and hard for her to drag the piece. David could have cleared the way. Mary using her nice reverse monkey bar method would have cruised through if she didn't have to stop.

Stage 2 - build staircase from puzzle pieces, use 3 planks (for 2 people) on a rope bridge to cross it. 2 pairs advance. After a plank fall, I got nothing for you Kyle/Chrissy.
Stage 3 - no longer teams = 4 individuals. Reward = taco meal. Hold onto a pole until 1 remains. Not good for the big boys. Mary vs Eva - Eva's hockey legs never leave the top section to easily win immunity.

Chrissy and Kyle alone - she discusses targeting the main man Joe. Possible worry is if Eva plays the idol on him as she's immune. Kyle is in the Strong 5 alliance - she's digging a bigger hole. He prefers Shauhin that he and Kamilla have been framing.

Journey - Pull 1or2 balls from a chute, first to 3 bad ones loses their vote. Strategy is to calculate others to get the bad ones. Kamilla and Mitch eye each other to get them to fall on Star. No defense at Tribal with no vote/no shot in the dark.

Reward - Scroll is in play. Eva sneaks it into her shorts - even though all at reward are her allies.
Personal gripe: Dislike intentional favoritism. They had assigned seating (names in front of them) and scroll was to Eva's right side and she's at the end - it's only for her. Idol + Immunity + Advantage now.
They discuss possibly Kamilla or Chrissy. David/Mary are adamant on the bigger blindside. Interesting boomerang effect if they go Kamilla as she sowed the fake seed to David that Shauhin may have an idol. He teamed up with Kamilla today. Take out Kamilla by proxy?
Kyle goes into 'mayday!" mode over Kamilla his secret ally - not playing it cool and raising eyes (nice adrenaline music).
Reveals to Joe that Chrissy is floating Joe's name. Leaks to Kamilla that she's the target - they have to vote Chrissy to save her. The stutterer in this episode is Kyle as he's frustrated and can't sway the Strong 5 away.

Chrissy (pissed off many) vs Kamilla (boomerang) vs Star (no vote/SITD)
Tribal: Star pretty funny saying she was all alone on a hammock while others are talking. Chrissy doubling down on the benefits of being a liar and backstabber - Joe and David are not happy. She calls out Joe/Eva as too tight of a duo. Kamilla implies some are doing bad at jury management. And the Firefighter set herself ablaze.

Idols: Eva - all know

Still a few easy pickings, but lines to be drawn soon.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

The whole Camilla vote was an editing fake out. No one voted for her. Including David. The preview of him saying you broke your word to Joe isn’t about the Chrissy vote.

 

[Pipes]

With Chrissy being voted out that's the last person I absolutely did not want to win. Everyone left has at least done something to impact the game and I wouldn't hate any of the winners now. Pulling for Joe/Eva but really fine with anyone left at this point. My prediction is Kamilla as I feel like one of the bigs (likely David) goes home this week which will shake things up.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

The whole Camilla vote was an editing fake out. No one voted for her. Including David. The preview of him saying you broke your word to Joe isn’t about the Chrissy vote.

How do you know that?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

The whole Camilla vote was an editing fake out. No one voted for her. Including David. The preview of him saying you broke your word to Joe isn’t about the Chrissy vote.

How do you know that?

They show who voted for who at the very end. Everyone voted Chrissy. The edit might be about this last vote, but I don’t think so.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

The whole Camilla vote was an editing fake out. No one voted for her. Including David. The preview of him saying you broke your word to Joe isn’t about the Chrissy vote.

How do you know that?

They show who voted for who at the very end. Everyone voted Chrissy. The edit might be about this last vote, but I don’t think so.

People get discussed as a vote but not voted for all the time. There's a reason discussion of booting Kamilla was left in. You seem to think it's "they just needed to show viewers another option besides Chrissy," but I disagree. I think it has to do with how the majority alliance eventually comes apart. Which means the edit of the preview very well could be about this last vote. If there's another reason why David might be saying that to Joe, we haven't seen it yet.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

In any case, it has nothing to do with the overall arc of the season so there was no reason to show it, but I wonder why Chrissy voted for Shauhin instead of Joe (who she said she wanted out) or Kamilla (who was the other target we saw discussed.)

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

The whole Camilla vote was an editing fake out. No one voted for her. Including David. The preview of him saying you broke your word to Joe isn’t about the Chrissy vote.

How do you know that?

They show who voted for who at the very end. Everyone voted Chrissy. The edit might be about this last vote, but I don’t think so.

People get discussed as a vote but not voted for all the time. There's a reason discussion of booting Kamilla was left in. You seem to think it's "they just needed to show viewers another option besides Chrissy," but I disagree. I think it has to do with how the majority alliance eventually comes apart. Which means the edit of the preview very well could be about this last vote. If there's another reason why David might be saying that to Joe, we haven't seen it yet.

I was agreeing with you. They have to make the edit interesting. Zero Camilla votes, especially not from David made me roll my eyes with all the drama they showed. That’s all.

 

[Riffraff]

Chrissy and Kyle alone - she discusses targeting the main man Joe. Possible worry is if Eva plays the idol on him as she's immune. Kyle is in the Strong 5 alliance - she's digging a bigger hole. He prefers Shauhin that he and Kamilla have been framing.

but I wonder why Chrissy voted for Shauhin

Due to Kyle?

 

[FarFromHome]

When you want an example of how quickly your Survivor narrative can change the Mary is the example. She went from she is next to firmly planted very quickly.

Kamila and Kyle are just really self aware and intelligent players.

Chrissy is a gonna watch this and wish she just kept her mouth shut at tribal. Tough spot though. I can't fault her for feeling it was her Braveheart moment. She went out swinging. The problem is the swing wasn't necessary.

We finally saw a little of the alpha male from David. I dont think people liked it.

Joe really showed some depth this episode talking strategy and talking understanding people. Showed patience and the ability to understand this isn't the battle to fight. Well done.

Decent episode.

 

[identikit]

I could see Mary winning this thing

She's pretty much universally likeable and game-savvy

Will likely have to win some late-season immunity to get there though

 

[bryhamm]

I thought last week’s preview was a fakeout, and it was. The big alliance did not turn on each other and we got a straightforward Chrissy boot.

But now the time may be at hand. David and Kyle aren’t getting along and each wants to protect a non-Strong 5 player. Can Joe keep the peace and steer a consensus vote on Mitch or Star? If not, he and Eva may be forced to decide between David/Mary and Kyle/Kamilla/Shauhin.

The whole Camilla vote was an editing fake out. No one voted for her. Including David. The preview of him saying you broke your word to Joe isn’t about the Chrissy vote.

You sure? The agreement was Chrissy this week and Camilla next week. If Joe doesn't agree to vote out Camilla, then I can see David saying Joe broke his word.

 

[SayChowda]

Caught up finally last night. Definitely my favorite season in a long time. All the people that I really didn't like are gone, thankfully. Fully on the Eva and Joe wagon, but I know that will be a longshot.

 

[Corporation]

This season has been great with the voteoffs (except for early on when Sai and Cedrek kept surviving). David showed what an absolute poor sport he was with his loss at the challenge. He was so worked up about Kyle being close to a "non Power 5" member in Kamilla, but who did he complain the most too? Mary, a non Power 5 member. Their constant drama and paranoia set the stage, but what sealed his fate was his conversation with Joe about "going back on his word". When he reacted so strongly that he did not go back on his word (and I agree, he didn't go back the group including David collectively switched the vote), David should have realized he struck a nerve. Instead, he doubled and maybe tripled down on telling Joe he went back on his word. David threw out what he thought was an olive branch at the challenge saying "You know I'm going to take you Joe if I win" waiting to hear the same words back, and he got crickets. Then proceeded to pick 3 other people to go on the reward. He should have done major damage control, but was either to stubborn or arrogant to do so.

Mary did him no favors, telling him everything he wanted to hear and feeding the paranoia. I absolutely love Star, and I loved Mitch's support of her. I'm happy if any one of these people win it, and that's hard to believe with 8 people left. There's a real chance now, however, that you see Star, Mitch, and Mary team up and try to sway Kamilla and Kyle over. I think this is likely what will happen in fact, which is bad news for my dynamic duo. But again, no complaints with those who are left.

• Rooting to win - Joe remains my favorite.
• Pulling for - Eva, Star, Mitch, Kamilla, Kyle, Shauhin, and Mary. Moved Mary down a few slots, but I still like her pluckiness.

 

[TLEF316]

I do think it was pretty funny how Kyle was going crazy over David's "paranoia". Is it REALLY paranoia when he's right? (Kyle and Kamilla DO have a secret alliance)

But yeah....he just did WAY too much talking and was WAY too confrontational for someone who is already HIGH on the radar due to his physical challenge abilities. Self inflicted elimination here for sure.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

This season has been great with the voteoffs (except for early on when Sai and Cedrek kept surviving). David showed what an absolute poor sport he was with his loss at the challenge. He was so worked up about Kyle being close to a "non Power 5" member in Kamilla, but who did he complain the most too? Mary, a non Power 5 member. Their constant drama and paranoia set the stage, but what sealed his fate was his conversation with Joe about "going back on his word". When he reacted so strongly that he did not go back on his word (and I agree, he didn't go back the group including David collectively switched the vote), David should have realized he struck a nerve. Instead, he doubled and maybe tripled down on telling Joe he went back on his word. David threw out what he thought was an olive branch at the challenge saying "You know I'm going to take you Joe if I win" waiting to hear the same words back, and he got crickets. Then proceeded to pick 3 other people to go on the reward. He should have done major damage control, but was either to stubborn or arrogant to do so.

Mary did him no favors, telling him everything he wanted to hear and feeding the paranoia. I absolutely love Star, and I loved Mitch's support of her. I'm happy if any one of these people win it, and that's hard to believe with 8 people left. There's a real chance now, however, that you see Star, Mitch, and Mary team up and try to sway Kamilla and Kyle over. I think this is likely what will happen in fact, which is bad news for my dynamic duo. But again, no complaints with those who are left.

• Rooting to win - Joe remains my favorite.
• Pulling for - Eva, Star, Mitch, Kamilla, Kyle, Shauhin, and Mary. Moved Mary down a few slots, but I still like her pluckiness.

She played the Lady MacBeth role for sure.

 

[BigJim®]

I could see Mary winning this thing

She's pretty much universally likeable and game-savvy

Funny, both myself and the Mrs have found her annoying and overly opinionated, entering the strong 5 like a bull in a China shop.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I could see Mary winning this thing

She's pretty much universally likeable and game-savvy

Funny, both myself and the Mrs have found her annoying and overly opinionated, entering the strong 5 like a bull in a China shop.

I agree with this. She got extremely lucky that they chose David over her.

But now that it's only the Power 4, it's a pretty wide open game.

 

[Dezbelief]

But now that it's only the Power 4, it's a pretty wide open game.

I get voting David out now, but I would have waited one more tribal.

 

[Riffraff]

Ep 9

Spoiler: Paranoia

9 remain - Professor Shauhin took the Chrissy vote after all her raging about the strong ones - confusion. Stuntman David admits he floated Software Kamilla's name - let the counter-punches begin. Attorney Kyle's defense of Kamilla hasn't gone unnoticed (dude was frantic in the edits).

Day 16
Strong Alliance deciding who to mass vote next: David/Counselor Mary/PHD Eva firm on Kamilla. Firefighter Joe and Kyle act like they don't care.
PE Teacher Mitch, Kamilla, and Sales Star on the bottom. Kyle back in desperation mode - recruiting Shauhin. Eva not seeing deception from alliance members. Kyle and David bumping heads again - 'splitting' headache.

Mitch snoring... Eva sneaking off to find her advantage. Shauhin notices, wakes Joe. Extra Vote guaranteed if she leaves immediately OR 50/50 chance at a greater power Safety Without Power vs losing the new extra vote. Really a no lose situation with the free vote - you don't go on Survivor to not go for the best option. Gains the ability to walk out of Tribal and be safe (add that to her idol = 2 safe tribals). Next bet: 1in3 chance at another immunity idol. 1 good option 2 bad. I'd keep it the way it is, 2 guaranteed safe tribals already. She did the same - smart. Shauhin still watching her return.

Eva reveals that she got an advantage opportunity to Kyle/Joe/Shauhin. Joe now gets uneasy as she didn't reveal it before. Shauhin feeling more trust now. Avoids saying anything to Mary as she walks up. David not there. Hmmm. Kyle lets Kamilla know Eva has twice the power now.

David + Mary
Joe + Eva
Kyle + Kamilla + Shauhin
Solo - Mitch and Star (not shown this episode thus far)

David says to Joe that he went back on his word (switch vote from Kamilla to Chrissy - everyone did) - Joe not happy and so it begins. Integrity challenged: The 2 alphas are no longer a unified front. The 'honest game' may be going down the drain.

Day 17 - Star magically there again. Mitch giving her pointers on how to swim.

Bonding - Kyle reveals to Joe that he's had some issues with the law in his earlier years (under-aged drinking, disorderly conduct) .
Personal edit explains those things pushed him towards being a lawyer - by convincing his judge to allow him to complete homework assignments while inside the juvi walls (furlough). Pretty cool that his teacher went to the jail to give an oral exam.

Challenge - Hold/push handle up to keep a ball above them on a track. Lose pressure and ball drops it's over. Forearms endurance - strong alliance upper hand for this one. Reward ham&cheese wrap meal. Yeah, knew Star would be first to drop. Mary, Kamilla, Mitch quickly follow. David vs Joe = Joe's ball inches forward consistently; David's didn't move an inch - until it did and he steps off platform. Joe barely wins immunity.
Mitch is the only 1 that has not had Reward yet - gets chosen.

David unraveling a little more as he knew he had that challenge won, but one momentary lapse of concentration... beating himself up over it for too long. Mary feeds into paranoia.

Reward - Mitch wants to go after David; Shauhin likes it. Very short edit.

Kamilla (popular vote, but think someone will play rumored idol on her) vs Mitch (split vote) vs David (lots of edits blindsiding him - misdirection?)
Tribal: Star's crowbar a crack plea gets refuted. David made a major mistake saying he and Eva could get to the end as people that stick to their word. Joe looks the opposite direction subtlely. Kamilla says David needs to keep the jury in mind - he has terrible management. Star cracks up - put someone on the jury... you ain't getting their vote. Mitch (3) vs David (6) and musclebound Richard Gere gets the major blindside.

Dumb: Strong Alliance is no longer in the majority. Couldn't keep it together for easy votes until final 6. Playing field is evening out.

Idols (good until): Eva - all know (5 remain) + Safety Without Power (7 remain)

8 remain

 

[krista4]

I could see Mary winning this thing

She's pretty much universally likeable and game-savvy

Funny, both myself and the Mrs have found her annoying and overly opinionated, entering the strong 5 like a bull in a China shop.

I agree with this. She got extremely lucky that they chose David over her.

But now that it's only the Power 4, it's a pretty wide open game.

Yeah, it was kinda weird to me that Mary suddenly seemed to be a power player here. I liked her a lot when it was her vs. Sai and/or Cedrek, and I was ready to keep rooting for her, but the fact that she became such a weird player with David thereafter made me uncomfortable with her. I know they alluded strongly to her having an "interesting" relationship to David, but I didn't get why she was such a "solid" Power 4/5/6 player so quickly. The Lady Macbeth stuff was a huge turnoff. She's now way at the bottom of my "want to win" rankings, and luckily I don't see her having a shot.

 

[Corporation]

I could see Mary winning this thing

She's pretty much universally likeable and game-savvy

Funny, both myself and the Mrs have found her annoying and overly opinionated, entering the strong 5 like a bull in a China shop.

I agree with this. She got extremely lucky that they chose David over her.

But now that it's only the Power 4, it's a pretty wide open game.

Yeah, it was kinda weird to me that Mary suddenly seemed to be a power player here. I liked her a lot when it was her vs. Sai and/or Cedrek, and I was ready to keep rooting for her, but the fact that she became such a weird player with David thereafter made me uncomfortable with her. I know they alluded strongly to her having an "interesting" relationship to David, but I didn't get why she was such a "solid" Power 4/5/6 player so quickly. The Lady Macbeth stuff was a huge turnoff. She's now way at the bottom of my "want to win" rankings, and luckily I don't see her having a shot.

Exactly what I did. She was much more enjoyable as the underdog who was funny. She's still fine, but once she thought she was solid with the power players, she let the power get to her. Still like her fine, but at the bottom of the "rooting for" tier.

 

[stbugs]

I could see Mary winning this thing

She's pretty much universally likeable and game-savvy

Funny, both myself and the Mrs have found her annoying and overly opinionated, entering the strong 5 like a bull in a China shop.

I agree with this. She got extremely lucky that they chose David over her.

But now that it's only the Power 4, it's a pretty wide open game.

Power 4? There is no power 4 anymore. Kyle’s not in it. He’s with Kamilla and Shahuin has no clue which side he’s on.

 

[stbugs]

This season has been great with the voteoffs (except for early on when Sai and Cedrek kept surviving). David showed what an absolute poor sport he was with his loss at the challenge. He was so worked up about Kyle being close to a "non Power 5" member in Kamilla, but who did he complain the most too? Mary, a non Power 5 member. Their constant drama and paranoia set the stage, but what sealed his fate was his conversation with Joe about "going back on his word". When he reacted so strongly that he did not go back on his word (and I agree, he didn't go back the group including David collectively switched the vote), David should have realized he struck a nerve. Instead, he doubled and maybe tripled down on telling Joe he went back on his word. David threw out what he thought was an olive branch at the challenge saying "You know I'm going to take you Joe if I win" waiting to hear the same words back, and he got crickets. Then proceeded to pick 3 other people to go on the reward. He should have done major damage control, but was either to stubborn or arrogant to do so.

Mary did him no favors, telling him everything he wanted to hear and feeding the paranoia. I absolutely love Star, and I loved Mitch's support of her. I'm happy if any one of these people win it, and that's hard to believe with 8 people left. There's a real chance now, however, that you see Star, Mitch, and Mary team up and try to sway Kamilla and Kyle over. I think this is likely what will happen in fact, which is bad news for my dynamic duo. But again, no complaints with those who are left.

• Rooting to win - Joe remains my favorite.
• Pulling for - Eva, Star, Mitch, Kamilla, Kyle, Shauhin, and Mary. Moved Mary down a few slots, but I still like her pluckiness.

Sorry, I don’t agree with a lot. I was rooting for Joe and Eva but they were so stupid. Oh no, David is paranoid so let’s vote him off. It’s truly amazing how dumb they were. Not once did Joe talk to Shauhin which could have easily shown that Kyle was feeding him crap. Star votes for Mitch but doesn’t tell them that Shauhin doesn’t have an idol?

I know they painted David like a poor loser but lol that he was 100% right the whole time and just got labeled paranoid. Poor Joe got his integrity challenge yet he voted for David. Eva thinks David is being paranoid and she can’t handle that but she can’t get it that right then Kyle says let’s vote David and Shauhin agrees in 1 second. How do Joe and Eva miss it all? Eva kept saying David was turning on their group but Kamilla wasn’t in their group. The only people that were turning on their group of 5 were Kyle and Shauhin.

Also, swaying Kyle and Kamilla? Those two aren’t part of the power folks. Kamilla isn’t an ally of Joe and Eva in any way. She doesn’t have to be swayed in any way.

Joe and Eva are now the number one targets and they let it happen to themselves and missed so much.

One more thought, Kamilla clearly has been anti-David at the last two tribals coinciding with David suggesting Kamilla. How can Shauhin, Joe and Eva miss that Kyle has to have been clueing here in on that? Kamilla didn’t get a single vote but she’s acting like she’s a target and nothing registers.

As a Joe/Eva fan and as a glad the strong people were running things, this episode sucked because Joe/Eva have no chance without winning every immunity and playing the two advantages at the exact right time. I’m pissed they made themselves the number 1 target. Heck, how does Kyle think Kamilla will bring him. His story of carrying her through is way better than hers. She can’t beat him.

 

[Corporation]

This season has been great with the voteoffs (except for early on when Sai and Cedrek kept surviving). David showed what an absolute poor sport he was with his loss at the challenge. He was so worked up about Kyle being close to a "non Power 5" member in Kamilla, but who did he complain the most too? Mary, a non Power 5 member. Their constant drama and paranoia set the stage, but what sealed his fate was his conversation with Joe about "going back on his word". When he reacted so strongly that he did not go back on his word (and I agree, he didn't go back the group including David collectively switched the vote), David should have realized he struck a nerve. Instead, he doubled and maybe tripled down on telling Joe he went back on his word. David threw out what he thought was an olive branch at the challenge saying "You know I'm going to take you Joe if I win" waiting to hear the same words back, and he got crickets. Then proceeded to pick 3 other people to go on the reward. He should have done major damage control, but was either to stubborn or arrogant to do so.

Mary did him no favors, telling him everything he wanted to hear and feeding the paranoia. I absolutely love Star, and I loved Mitch's support of her. I'm happy if any one of these people win it, and that's hard to believe with 8 people left. There's a real chance now, however, that you see Star, Mitch, and Mary team up and try to sway Kamilla and Kyle over. I think this is likely what will happen in fact, which is bad news for my dynamic duo. But again, no complaints with those who are left.

• Rooting to win - Joe remains my favorite.
• Pulling for - Eva, Star, Mitch, Kamilla, Kyle, Shauhin, and Mary. Moved Mary down a few slots, but I still like her pluckiness.

Sorry, I don’t agree with a lot. I was rooting for Joe and Eva but they were so stupid. Oh no, David is paranoid so let’s vote him off. It’s truly amazing how dumb they were. Not once did Joe talk to Shauhin which could have easily shown that Kyle was feeding him crap. Star votes for Mitch but doesn’t tell them that Shauhin doesn’t have an idol?

I know they painted David like a poor loser but lol that he was 100% right the whole time and just got labeled paranoid. Poor Joe got his integrity challenge yet he voted for David. Eva thinks David is being paranoid and she can’t handle that but she can’t get it that right then Kyle says let’s vote David and Shauhin agrees in 1 second. How do Joe and Eva miss it all? Eva kept saying David was turning on their group but Kamilla wasn’t in their group. The only people that were turning on their group of 5 were Kyle and Shauhin.

Also, swaying Kyle and Kamilla? Those two aren’t part of the power folks. Kamilla isn’t an ally of Joe and Eva in any way. She doesn’t have to be swayed in any way.

Joe and Eva are now the number one targets and they let it happen to themselves and missed so much.

One more thought, Kamilla clearly has been anti-David at the last two tribals coinciding with David suggesting Kamilla. How can Shauhin, Joe and Eva miss that Kyle has to have been clueing here in on that? Kamilla didn’t get a single vote but she’s acting like she’s a target and nothing registers.

As a Joe/Eva fan and as a glad the strong people were running things, this episode sucked because Joe/Eva have no chance without winning every immunity and playing the two advantages at the exact right time. I’m pissed they made themselves the number 1 target. Heck, how does Kyle think Kamilla will bring him. His story of carrying her through is way better than hers. She can’t beat him.

No need to say sorry, we all have our own feelings

First we have to acknowledge that there is a lot (in fact most of the game) that we don't see. I don't think Joe and Eva voted him off solely due to paranoia (although that was certainly a factor). To me, it was David's approach that got him voted off. You are right in saying David was right about Kyle, he is playing a secret game. The telling words from David to me occurred when he and Kyle were debating who to vote for. David kept saying "This shouldn't be hard bro". That is a condescending statement to me, because it puts David in the position of "I have the right answer, are you too dumb to see this". Yes, Kyle has a secret alliance with Kamilla, but even absent that, why is Kamilla the obvious and correct choice over Chrissy? Kyle could have easily said the same to David "It doesn't have to be hard bro, Chrissy this time and Kamilla next".

Eva said David was turning on the group because he turned on one of the members (Kyle). David was aggressive towards Kyle to Eva because Kyle refused to bow down to David's easy plan (again, David was right in Kyle was playing a secret game) but in Eva's eyes, it becomes David's way or the highway. She stressed over the fact that the group was turning on itself and wanted to keep peace. As I said before, David's death knell was challenging Joe's integrity and doubling down on it. He didn't break his word on the Chrissy vote. The group got together and collectively voted for Chrissy (including David). David considers it a broken word because it wasn't his original plan, but Joe voted in line with David and the group to vote Chrissy. Once David showed those tendencies, he broke the ring of trust and the group voted him out. The only person Joe has said he will not write down is Eva, everything else is fluid.

Kyle is absolutely part of what was the Power 5 at that point. David had his own version of Kamilla in Mary, who he openly brought into the Power players without any consent (at least shown) from the other Power 5 members. Kyle's plan appeared to be to stay with the Power 5 long enough while protecting Kamilla to be flexible in the end game. It probably happened quicker than he thought, but at this point it is not perfectly clear which direction they would go, which is why I used the word swaying. Going into the tribal council, many thought the factions looked like Power 5 + Mary vs Mitch, Star, and Kamilla. David sunk his own game, so the now Power 4 would have to assume Mary goes to the other faction because her number 1 was voted off, leaving it at 4-4. This provides an opportunity for Kyle to tell the Power 5 "Hey, I think Kamilla can be a loyal number for us going forward". That would tilt the balance back to 5-3 in favor of the new Power 5. I think that will be Kyle's preferred plan, because he is tighter with Shahin than with Joe/Eva, so he could actually be part of the Big 3 within the Power 5. If he and Kamilla go to the Mitch/Star faction, they will either be 4-4 or he would take Shahin with him to have the same Big 3 in that faction.

As much as I love Joe and Eva, it was going to be hard for them to win due to the openness of the power couple. You saw people say immediately "we need to break this up". Totally understandable from a game viewpoint. I think the real factions are Joe/Eva, Kyle/Kamilla, and Mitch/Star. Shahin could be attached to either Joe/Eva or Kyle/Kamilla. Mary I think was only attached to David, but now serves as a powerful vote to pick up.

What Cedrek did earlier was dumb and just unexplainable. I don't think what Joe and Eva did was dumb, and is in fact defensible. But as I said, to each their own, I've really enjoyed this season and at this point, I'd be satisfied with any of them winning, even Mary.

 

[FarFromHome]

David sealed his fate last episode when he started showing this alpha male personality. People don't like to be spoken to like that. He is a smart dude and was playing a decent game. Then got a little aggressive in conversations with people

 

[FarFromHome]

On a side note. My wife and I usually have an older season going on a slow burn. We been watching season 16. It has one of my favorite Survivor moments. When Eliza is telling Jason that it's not an idol its a stick. It's a stick. Hilarious. Ha ha

 

[Pipes]

Finally watched this episode. Agree with others that David dug his own grave. I hope Eva isn’t a poker player she looked like she wanted to throw up that entire tribal so my wife and I immediately knew David was the vote. Loving this season

 

[UncleZen]

On a side note. My wife and I usually have an older season going on a slow burn. We been watching season 16. It has one of my favorite Survivor moments. When Eliza is telling Jason that it's not an idol its a stick. It's a stick. Hilarious. Ha ha

The season of the Black Widow Brigade. That was a great season full of a lot of stupid, especially the men.