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WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works. There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense? :eek:

 
WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works.

There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.

Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense? :eek:
this board gets worse and worse everyday, its starting to get like the baseball trade deadline, just make things up. my turn,

ricky williams to the raiders for a 1st round pick. heard it on a TV station when i was flipping through.

funny how it alwasy involves the raiders :lol:

whos next?

 
I don't know about real life, but when Madden comes out I am going to play the Raiders and try to do this deal.... Owens and Moss on the same team would just be sick...Thanx for the idea....

 
What, TWO "me first" prima donnas on the same team?You gotta be kidding.Even Al Davis isn't as stupid as that.

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news, This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month. No one thought Moss would be traded either. Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.

 
Although Collins' value would obviously increase, the value of BOTH Moss & T.O. would decrease as they'd both need the same ball.:notrocketsurgery:

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news, This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month. No one thought Moss would be traded either. Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
Thanks Dave.Im sure I wasnt the only one that heard it this morning. I would be shocked if this were to go down. But it was definately reported.

 
WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works.

There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.

Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense? :eek:
this board gets worse and worse everyday, its starting to get like the baseball trade deadline, just make things up. my turn,

ricky williams to the raiders for a 1st round pick. heard it on a TV station when i was flipping through.

funny how it alwasy involves the raiders :lol:

whos next?
A) He said it was a rumor.B) The TV station made up the rumor not the poster.

C) Would you rather we talked about the foot of rain we're getting here?

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news, This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month. No one thought Moss would be traded either. Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
potential news? :lmao:

idle banter whoo hoo!

hope everyone updated their real-time rankings

:D

 
WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works.

There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.

Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense? :eek:
this board gets worse and worse everyday, its starting to get like the baseball trade deadline, just make things up. my turn,

ricky williams to the raiders for a 1st round pick. heard it on a TV station when i was flipping through.

funny how it alwasy involves the raiders :lol:

whos next?
A) He said it was a rumor.B) The TV station made up the rumor not the poster.

C) Would you rather we talked about the foot of rain we're getting here?
doe she have to post BS rumors that people make up because there isnt actual news to report on? just heard it on my talk radio, no proof though, payton manning to the titans, he played his college ball there

 
I wouldn't put this past Al Davis, knowing how bad he wants to win a Superbowl, he'll pay T.O the money he wants. This would put Collins higher up on redrafts for sure. It would hurt L. Jordan without a doubt.Thanks for the info :thumbup:

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news,  This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month.  No one thought Moss would be traded either.  Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
potential news? :lmao:

idle banter whoo hoo!

hope everyone updated their real-time rankings

:D
This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.

What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)

 
I live in Philly and saw the same report. I then turned on ESPN and saw two of those knuckle heads on 1st & 10 show talking about it. So it was being reported and talked about however unlikely it is.

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news,  This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month.  No one thought Moss would be traded either.  Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
potential news? :lmao:

idle banter whoo hoo!

hope everyone updated their real-time rankings

:D
This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.

What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
those rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.

:popcorn:

 
This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
:goodposting: Some people have yet to figure out..............this is a message board. :wall:
 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news,  This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month.  No one thought Moss would be traded either.  Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
potential news? :lmao:

idle banter whoo hoo!

hope everyone updated their real-time rankings

:D
This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.

What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
those rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.

:popcorn:
I guess I'm just confused why you are being such a tool? :confused: :thumbdown:

 
I'd pay to see Moss & Owens on the same team. Imagine the pissing contest that would ensue when one of them caught 10 passes for 120 yds & 2 TDs and the other one caught only 4 passes for 38 yds and 0 TDs.I'd bet you could pay per view for that baby - it would be better than the 2 girls in the "tastes great - less filling" catfight.

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news,  This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month.  No one thought Moss would be traded either.  Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
potential news? :lmao:

idle banter whoo hoo!

hope everyone updated their real-time rankings

:D
This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.

What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
those rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.

:popcorn:
I guess I'm just confused why you are being such a tool? :confused: :thumbdown:
i was wondering the same thing about the thread starter and yudkin
 
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Then again, imagine the TD celebrations - Moss can moon the crowd & then TO can sign his *** with a sharpie.Nice...

 
WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works.

There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.

Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense? :eek:
I heard this last night on the news too, so to the JO's spewing BS, lighten the F up, then grow up...
 
My first question would be is it even possible cap wise? I know you can get pretty creative fitting players under the cap, but what does Oakland's cap look like right now.The contract that they gave to Moss was substantial, and they really overpayed for Jordan.I figured they would have a hard time signing their rookies, much less a stud.Anyone have the info?

 
My first question would be is it even possible cap wise? I know you can get pretty creative fitting players under the cap, but what does Oakland's cap look like right now.The contract that they gave to Moss was substantial, and they really overpayed for Jordan.I figured they would have a hard time signing their rookies, much less a stud.Anyone have the info?
I believe they are 790,000.00 under right now. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I read this somewhere.
 
Avoiding the infantile bantering about posting rumors such as this, as a Raiders fan, I don't think I would be all that excited if Owens did come to Oakland. Lets face it, Moss and Owens are obviously excellent talents and tops in the league at their position. However, it is also clear that they are both high maintenance players with tons of off the field baggage, as well as on the field issues such as taking plays off etc. That being said, I have to wonder at what the effect would be of having both these guys together on the field at the same time.Me, I am perfectly happy with the way the offense looks right now, without Owens. I am a big fan of Jordan's and think that he is going to thrive at RB for Oakland. As a result, Collins will have the time he so desperately needs to throw downfield to Moss and Porter. Plus, don't forget Curry and, IMO, the emergence of Teyo Johnson. I think the Oakland offense is just fine and the possible addition of Owens could only hurt the chemistry and efficiency of the offense. Seems weird to say that because of how great Owens is, but just something about being in the same offense and Moss makes me nervous, very nervous. No, I think Oakland would be much better served to get more help on defense. IMO, Oakland's defense doesn't have to be great, or even especially good for Oakland to have a shot at the playoffs this year. They just have to not suck!Just my :2cents:

 
Here's the cap info as of April 29. I know not really current, but still an indication that it would be difficult for the Raiders to take a hit by trading Porter and then redo a deal with TO.CAP STATUS AS OF 4/29/05
Thanks Snotbubbles, I believe it went up since then. They freed some space when the cut Gannon.
 
IMO, Oakland's defense doesn't have to be great, or even especially good for Oakland to have a shot at the playoffs this year. They just have to not suck!Just my :2cents:
So with the D they are going to field, it's safe to say that you don't expect OAK to make the playoffs?
 
However, it is also clear that they are both high maintenance players with tons of off the field baggage, as well as on the field issues such as taking plays off etc.
Taking plays off is not a problem Owens has, Moss on the other hand...
 
Al Davis would love for this to happen. It would be the most heralded WR core probably ever. What everyone needs to remember is that "give me the ball" folks like Moss and Owens (whom I both respect a lot 95% of the time) dont care as long as they are winning.Winning cures all locker-room cancers.

 
Yes, Al would love this as ridiculous as it would be. They are loaded at WR with good young talent behind the top 3 and have alot of money tied up in Moss & Jordan, not to mention something like 1/8 of this yr's cap going to Woodson. For this to work Davis would have to be thinking with a playground mentality - no one will be able to stop us so we just have to stop other team once or twice to win.If Curry is fully recovered I'd easily ship off Porter for defense.

 
However, it is also clear that they are both high maintenance players with tons of off the field baggage, as well as on the field issues such as taking plays off etc.
Taking plays off is not a problem Owens has, Moss on the other hand...
As far as I can tell, this hasn't been a problem with Moss in at least 2 years. Honestly, you can dislike Moss for other reasons, but this one's horrendously out of date.
 
Then again, imagine the TD celebrations - Moss can moon the crowd & then TO can sign his *** with a sharpie.

Nice...
No, it would be Moss mooning TO and then TO shoving the Sharpie up Moss' ###.Al Davis wouldn't be able to build a big enough stadium!

 
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If this WERE to happen, I'm getting a visual of Kerry Collins sitting on the bench.On one shoulder would be Randy Moss talking into his ear non-stop.On the other shoulder would be TO, #####in in the other ear saying "throw me the ball"Kerry Collins would have to lock his settings on "ignore users" for the entire game to be successful......almost like that Budweiser commercial where the ref ignores the screaming coach on the sidelines b/c he's used to ignoring his screaming wife at home.Seriously, wouldn't Kerry Collins eventually "crack" under this type of pressure?

 
:lmao: Most of us highly doubt this happens, but hey, nothing is impossible.

I may need to buy tickets to the Chiefs / Raiders game now. What's the record for highest scoring game ever? :excited:

Hopefully this would force the Chiefs to sign Law, I can't imagine trying to get Surtain, Warfield and McCleon to cover TO and Moss. :shock: And that's even assuming Warfield plays that game, being week 2, that isn't likely to happen.

 
Never been a big Jerry Porter fan, and certainly wouldn't want to give up TO for Porter (and Porter's contract). :no:
Why do people keep talking like Oakland gave Porter this monster deal?Porter's deal was CHEAP. Most of the sports writers were surprised the totals were as low as they were. $21M over five years is NOT a lot of money in this market for a potential #1 receiver in the prime of his career. Heck Pinkston signed an $18M 5 year deal. Santanna Moss just signed a 6 year $31M dollar deal.

If anything, Porter's contract would be a PLUS for the team receiving him.

 
Never been a big Jerry Porter fan, and certainly wouldn't want to give up TO for Porter (and Porter's contract). :no:
Why do people keep talking like Oakland gave Porter this monster deal?Porter's deal was CHEAP. Most of the sports writers were surprised the totals were as low as they were. $21M over five years is NOT a lot of money in this market for a potential #1 receiver in the prime of his career. Heck Pinkston signed an $18M 5 year deal. Santanna Moss just signed a 6 year $31M dollar deal.

If anything, Porter's contract would be a PLUS for the team receiving him.
Hey Schneikes,To be clear, I HATE the Pinkston deal but what's done is done. I don't think Santana Moss is worth half the $$$ he was paid. And, I'm not a Porter fan. I think much less of him than the consensus outlook, so $4.2 mm per year is TOO MUCH IMHO b/c he's not a WR1, he's a WR2 that would be forced to play WR1 in Philly.

 
1) The damage Owens has done cannot be undone. If Andy Reid and Donovan want to keep control of the team, they have to think about moving Owens. Maybe chemistry if overrated, but does anyone doubt the sublime ability of Owens to be a monstrous distraction? He's truly gifted in this area.2) To me, Jerry Porter looks an awful lot like the old David Boston -- you know, the strong but not roid-crazy strong WR that's tougher than most safeties and faster than most corners. Before Gannon went south, I saw him make quite a few amazing plays. I think he's a guy who just hasn't had a good QB throw him 100 balls yet, and when he does, we'll all wonder why (like Lamont Jordan) it took him this long to get his shot.3) If you can get a younger, similar version of the same player without all the baggage, you have to consider the deal. TO is amazing, and he never quits, but if he's POed then I believe the whole team will suffer immensely.I think this would we a wicked good deal for Philly, actually.

 
Lighten up on people trying to present potential news,  This is not made up by any stretch and idle banter on this has been circulating for over a month.  No one thought Moss would be traded either.  Not saying that this one has a lot of legs to it, but stranger things have happened.
potential news? :lmao:

idle banter whoo hoo!

hope everyone updated their real-time rankings

:D
This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.

What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
those rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.

:popcorn:
I guess I'm just confused why you are being such a tool? :confused: :thumbdown:
i was wondering the same thing about the thread starter and yudkin
It was on the local ABC affiliate. If that's not good enough to post, then, it pains me to say it, but the tools have won. I, for one, am not giving up hope. FBGs, we can defeat the tools if we stick together.Thank you and GB America!

 
1) The damage Owens has done cannot be undone.  If Andy Reid and Donovan want to keep control of the team, they have to think about moving Owens.  Maybe chemistry if overrated, but does anyone doubt the sublime ability of Owens to be a monstrous distraction?  He's truly gifted in this area.

2) To me, Jerry Porter looks an awful lot like the old David Boston -- you know, the strong but not roid-crazy strong WR that's tougher than most safeties and faster than most corners.  Before Gannon went south, I saw him make quite a few amazing plays.  I think he's a guy who just hasn't had a good QB throw him 100 balls yet, and when he does, we'll all wonder why (like Lamont Jordan) it took him this long to get his shot.

3) If you can get a younger, similar version of the same player without all the baggage, you have to consider the deal.  TO is amazing, and he never quits, but if he's POed then I believe the whole team will suffer immensely.

I think this would we a wicked good deal for Philly, actually.
I'm not quite as high on Porter, but I agree, the Eagles have to do this if its on the table.
 
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2) To me, Jerry Porter looks an awful lot like the old David Boston -- you know, the strong but not roid-crazy strong WR that's tougher than most safeties and faster than most corners.

I think this would we a wicked good deal for Philly, actually.
If you're going to throw "not roid-crazy" in there, you can't compare to Boston or Owens.
 
2) To me, Jerry Porter looks an awful lot like the old David Boston -- you know, the strong but not roid-crazy strong WR that's tougher than most safeties and faster than most corners. 

I think this would we a wicked good deal for Philly, actually.
If you're going to throw "not roid-crazy" in there, you can't compare to Boston or Owens.
That's why i said the "old David Boston" -- maybe he was on the roids, but he hadn't turned into a 260 lb goliath that couldn't stay healthy. Remember that sweet year he had for the Cards? I don't know if Porter has that in him, but I think he's in the ballpark.
 
1) The damage Owens has done cannot be undone. If Andy Reid and Donovan want to keep control of the team, they have to think about moving Owens. Maybe chemistry if overrated, but does anyone doubt the sublime ability of Owens to be a monstrous distraction? He's truly gifted in this area.

2) To me, Jerry Porter looks an awful lot like the old David Boston -- you know, the strong but not roid-crazy strong WR that's tougher than most safeties and faster than most corners. Before Gannon went south, I saw him make quite a few amazing plays. I think he's a guy who just hasn't had a good QB throw him 100 balls yet, and when he does, we'll all wonder why (like Lamont Jordan) it took him this long to get his shot.

3) If you can get a younger, similar version of the same player without all the baggage, you have to consider the deal. TO is amazing, and he never quits, but if he's POed then I believe the whole team will suffer immensely.

I think this would we a wicked good deal for Philly, actually.
:goodposting:
 
1) The damage Owens has done cannot be undone. If Andy Reid and Donovan want to keep control of the team, they have to think about moving Owens. Maybe chemistry if overrated, but does anyone doubt the sublime ability of Owens to be a monstrous distraction? He's truly gifted in this area.
The same damage that Trotter, Hugh, and Simon have done? This is the damage that cant be undone?
 
1) The damage Owens has done cannot be undone.  If Andy Reid and Donovan want to keep control of the team, they have to think about moving Owens.  Maybe chemistry if overrated, but does anyone doubt the sublime ability of Owens to be a monstrous distraction?  He's truly gifted in this area.
The same damage that Trotter, Hugh, and Simon have done? This is the damage that cant be undone?
None of them publicly called out the franchise player on the team. And two of them spent a year or two away and realzied the grass isn't alwasy greener, and came back humble. Apples and oranges.
 
1) The damage Owens has done cannot be undone.  If Andy Reid and Donovan want to keep control of the team, they have to think about moving Owens.  Maybe chemistry if overrated, but does anyone doubt the sublime ability of Owens to be a monstrous distraction?  He's truly gifted in this area.
The same damage that Trotter, Hugh, and Simon have done? This is the damage that cant be undone?
Trotter and Hugh left first, failed elsewhere, and came back with their heads between their tails. Those situations aren't the same. Simon hasn't taken any shots at his teammates that I recall, nor does he have past history of causing problems in the lockerroom when he's not happy.

And the only way the damage can be undone at this point is for Owens to cave. I hope he does, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

 

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