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It would be very difficult for the Raiders to win while playing only 3 quarters per game. You must reserve atleast one full quarter's worth of time for the whining on the sidelines that both Moss and Owens will do for not getting the ball as much as they want it... These two could never co-exist.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/sports/0630200...owenstrade.htmlthose rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.potential news?
idle banter whoo hoo!
hope everyone updated their real-time rankings
What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
52 posts in and we have conformation that it was made up. they are reporting on reports, which begs the ?, where are the reports?whoo hoo!!!!http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/sports/0630200...owenstrade.htmlthose rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.potential news?
idle banter whoo hoo!
hope everyone updated their real-time rankings
What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/sports/0630200...owenstrade.htmlthose rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.potential news?
idle banter whoo hoo!
hope everyone updated their real-time rankings
What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
Of course. Don't you see? Remember his decision skills are weak. He wouldn' know which one to throw to.
But even then they would have to get FredEx to make the package complete. Too funny Pony. Way too funny!
I'm not sure that's true. Look at the numbers put up by Holt and Bruce or by Moss and Carter. In 2000, Holt had 1635 yards and 6 TDs, whole Bruce put up 1471 yards and 9 TDs. Both would have had more TDs if Marshall Faulk wasn't as awesome as he was.
Under the category of combined celebrations here's to hoping Moss and Horn never end up on the same team. I'd hate to see Moss moon the crowd and have Horn then reach up in there for a cell phone.Too funny Pony. Way too funny!
it gets worse everytime you postthis board gets worse and worse everyday, its starting to get like the baseball trade deadline, just make things up. my turn,WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works.
There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.
Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense?
ricky williams to the raiders for a 1st round pick. heard it on a TV station when i was flipping through.
funny how it alwasy involves the raiders
whos next?
I believe he'd be a fine (if not excellent) #1, but that is beside the point. The point is that the deal he signed is more like high #2 money than #1 money, so you can't possibly point to his contract as a negative. Unless you feel he isn't even worth #2 money, his contract is quite reasonable.Hey Schneikes,To be clear, I HATE the Pinkston deal but what's done is done. I don't think Santana Moss is worth half the $$$ he was paid. And, I'm not a Porter fan. I think much less of him than the consensus outlook, so $4.2 mm per year is TOO MUCH IMHO b/c he's not a WR1, he's a WR2 that would be forced to play WR1 in Philly.Why do people keep talking like Oakland gave Porter this monster deal?Porter's deal was CHEAP. Most of the sports writers were surprised the totals were as low as they were. $21M over five years is NOT a lot of money in this market for a potential #1 receiver in the prime of his career. Heck Pinkston signed an $18M 5 year deal. Santanna Moss just signed a 6 year $31M dollar deal.Never been a big Jerry Porter fan, and certainly wouldn't want to give up TO for Porter (and Porter's contract).
If anything, Porter's contract would be a PLUS for the team receiving him.
I think the Porter side of the analysis is wrong on a couple of fronts.First, his deal included $7M in GUARANTEES, that doesn't necessarily mean it was all signing bonus. In fact, I think it is worded that way precisely BECAUSE there was a less than usual amount of signing bonus if any. Only signing bonus gets pushed into the current year's cap when the player is traded or released. If he has a guaranteed salary of $4M next year for example, his new team would be required to pay that and thus would come out of THEIR cap rather than the original team's. I have never heard exactly how much signing bonus money they gave to Porter if any.
I assume Porter's bonuses to be all signing bonus, if not, you are correct.I don't believe the 6/1 date has anything to do with players who are traded after 6/1. 90% sure about this.
As someone said above - I think it would hurt Jordan the most. Passing would take pre-dominance above running 2 out of 3 times. He'd have huge holes to run thru but how often would they run it? I think both would WR's would still have top 5-7 numbers.So let's just pretend for a moment the trade happens,this is a FANTASY football web-site. Where do you rank Moss and Owens if they're on the same team? Will the numbers for both be down or will Collins favor one over the other? Just some hypothetical conjecture.
THANKS FOR LOOKING OUT BUDDYthis board gets worse and worse everyday, its starting to get like the baseball trade deadline, just make things up. my turn,WPVI tv (Action news) in Philly is reporting that a deal that would send TO to Oakland for Jerry Porter is in the works.
There is no link, it was reported on tv. But if WPVI reports it, im sure there is merit to this rumor.
Can you imagine TO and Moss in the same offense?
ricky williams to the raiders for a 1st round pick. heard it on a TV station when i was flipping through.
funny how it alwasy involves the raiders
whos next?
How often did Robert Smith run when Carter and Moss were tearing up the league?How often did Faulk run when he was healthy and Bruce and Holt were tearing up the league?As someone said above - I think it would hurt Jordan the most. Passing would take pre-dominance above running 2 out of 3 times. He'd have huge holes to run thru but how often would they run it? I think both would WR's would still have top 5-7 numbers.So let's just pretend for a moment the trade happens,this is a FANTASY football web-site. Where do you rank Moss and Owens if they're on the same team? Will the numbers for both be down or will Collins favor one over the other? Just some hypothetical conjecture.
And collins value would be close to top 3.
Depends on what they are willing to do with the rest of the team. They'd have to deal Woodson to clear his franchise cap number, or release Sapp and a few others, depending on what they deal for him.They wouldnt be able to keep him very long.
You were right about the signing bonus and 6/1 bit, I looked it up. Trades are handled differently than releases for whatever reason. Still couldn't find anything about Porter's signing bonus if any. All the reports on the signing mention guaratees rather than the usual refererence to "signing bonus" which is what makes me think something is different than usual. Maybe Oakland saw and prepared for the possibility of moving Porter relatively quickly?
[harshreality]You have the intellectual capacity of a twelve six-year-old.52 posts in and we have conformation that it was made up. they are reporting on reports, which begs the ?, where are the reports?whoo hoo!!!!http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/sports/0630200...owenstrade.htmlthose rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.potential news?
idle banter whoo hoo!
hope everyone updated their real-time rankings
What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
still waiting on tsn, si, usatoday and their named sources
Given that it is nearly impossible to cover either of those guys with single coverage, one of them will probably be open enough to warrant throwing the ball to them, even if Curry has a mismatch too. Plus, the first week Curry gets a bunch of passes thrown his way, then by halftime TO and Randy get all in Collins' grill about wanting "their share." Before long, Collins will realize it's not worth the headache throwing to Curry because one of the other guys will be "open enough". They consider themselves to be open when they're double covered.I think this would be better for Curry. He'll be single covered by a safety or linebacker every play.R. Curry -->
(crossesfingers)
Possibly...Assuming it is future guaranteed salary and not bonuses, I would say its more likely that the Raiders realize their cap would be in horrible shape this year, so much so that they wanted to limit as much of his money as possible from hitting this year. That doesnt sound likely to me, but its the best explanation I have.
I guess I'm just confused why you are being such a tool?
Everyone said that when TO was coming to Philly and it held up until the off season came - but I guess it still holds true... because they aren't playing - they aren't winning.
There was an entire thread on this very subject when the Porter contract was annouce - because of the wording it was never clear how much was a signing bonus and how much was future bonuses to be paid. I come to the same conclusion - not all of that guaranteed money is a signing bonus otherwise they would have said signing bonus. And what I said from the start, is this makes Porter tradable...
Not exactly. We dont know how much, if any, of these guarantees are not a "signing" bonus. Even if his bonus is only $4mil, thats still going to give them a net cap hit of $3mil + the $2-3 mil that will be TO's cap #. Porter is still far from tradeable.
He just signed the extension this offseason.
The point is that when news outlets release details about the contract the wording is almost always "X dollars for X years with X signing bonus". Yet every release I read about Porter's contract specifically avoided mention of signing bonus. If he got a big signing bonus, why didn't they just say "signing bonus"? They do for everyone else.By the way, Moss was untradable too.
Because the Vikes and their $30mil of cap space is the same as the Raiders and their virtually non-existant cap space. Anyone who understands the cap would not have called Moss untradeable.
That's very true, but it does make him more tradeable than if it were all signing bonus.Here's the link to the thread I mentioned (forgot I actually started it)...
Wow - quite the tough guy. You seem real bent out of shape over someone posting this. Time to lighten up Francisi was wondering the same thing about the thread starter and yudkinI guess I'm just confused why you are being such a tool?those rumors had reports though (moss/williams)feel free to post the link that states TO is going to oakland. go to SI, USA today, and TSN and post the links, with credible sources.This has already been on message boards, SI, USA Today, TSN, etc. as something that *COULD* be in the works. Did you scoff and scowl when there was stuff going around on Moss? Would you have believed it if last year there was a rumor Rickey Williams would pack up his jock strap and call it a day?It is what it is . . . a rumor. Are rumors newsworthy? I don't know, but they certainly get reported on a lot, so I guess they must be. We all know that most of this stuff is talk and only a small percentage of gossip ever materializes.potential news?
idle banter whoo hoo!
hope everyone updated their real-time rankings
What do you expect people to do . . . fabricate information about Clinton Portis blowing out his ACL and missing the season? That was SO last year . . . (The Portis story from last year (non-story?) clearly reflects how rumors start and can take on a life of their own.)
Man, I thought that was last offseason, already. Offseason is too damn long.
