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Taliaferro & Crowell - The 2 most important waiver wire players in (1 Viewer)
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Smack Tripper
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Pittsburgh, crap run d on the road In a short week. Forsett broke a long one, all the credit and good run but it was against a tired d. Pierce was 19 for 72 at one point so he padded with a couple of nice runs. Can't really say either one impressed and I don't own any of these guys but I'm debating taliaferro In a few leagues. Would have liked to see A carry though
bill bates hits hard
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Neither back looked good. Adequate at best.
Pierce was running like a JAG until PIT tired down at the end killing the clock.
Forsett looked like a 3rd down back being forced to play a bigger role. His big run had a monstrous hole that any good back would have taken it the whole way.
Bottom line. Taliaferro is the stash and wait. It was a short week and I'm sure he'll get his shot to unseat the journey man 3rd down back and the JAG.
Pierce was running like a JAG until PIT tired down at the end killing the clock.
Forsett looked like a 3rd down back being forced to play a bigger role. His big run had a monstrous hole that any good back would have taken it the whole way.
Bottom line. Taliaferro is the stash and wait. It was a short week and I'm sure he'll get his shot to unseat the journey man 3rd down back and the JAG.
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We Tigers
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Just saying, all the conditions in the world might have made this a favorable matchup, but this certainly doesn't do anything to push Taliaferro closer to getting work or moving up the timeline for his ascendance. It doesn't matter if guys looks ordinary if they average over 5 ypc on 30 carries, pick up lots of first downs, don't turn the ball over, and ultimately help their team win a game by 20 points. Fantasy football is all about opportunity and last night's game moved the needle in the wrong direction for Taliaferro. He would be in a much better position had Pierce played like he did in week 1 and Forsett failed to break his couple of big runs. It appears one or both of them will have to fail hard for Taliaferro to even get on the field.
Dr. Octopus
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Yes. I find it funny that people are trying to spin last night's game to a favorable result for Taliaferro (and I own him in a dynasty). Nothing about last night's game puts him any closer to seeing significant carries. In fact last night showed quite the opposite; Pierce is the feature back and Forsette is the 3rd down/CoP option. Without an injury to either, Taliaferro has not use in a redraft league.
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
^ Pierce is not a feature back. Rediculous
I agree that last night was a step in the wrong direction for taliaferro in redraft leagues for the most part.
The one silver lining is that apparently the ravens had the ball inside the five yard line SIX times and failed to convert on running plays.
So, if I'm harbaugh, I'm spending this week searching for answers to the short yardage game, and taliaferro seems to fit the bill for that.
If he can get on the field in short yardage and gl situations moving forward, he can carve out some value and be even more valuable if pierce struggles or gets injured.
In redraft, I view him as a tentative hold. If there is someone else in the wire that is intriguing to you I wouldn't think you were crazy for dropping him for that player. He's really just a deep stash at this point.
Jordan Reed Iain the wire in my league. If it wasn't for the intrigue about his potential gl and short yardage role going forward I'd drop him for Reed in a heartbeat and I still might.
Dynasty is a different story. He's a hold.
The one silver lining is that apparently the ravens had the ball inside the five yard line SIX times and failed to convert on running plays.
So, if I'm harbaugh, I'm spending this week searching for answers to the short yardage game, and taliaferro seems to fit the bill for that.
If he can get on the field in short yardage and gl situations moving forward, he can carve out some value and be even more valuable if pierce struggles or gets injured.
In redraft, I view him as a tentative hold. If there is someone else in the wire that is intriguing to you I wouldn't think you were crazy for dropping him for that player. He's really just a deep stash at this point.
Jordan Reed Iain the wire in my league. If it wasn't for the intrigue about his potential gl and short yardage role going forward I'd drop him for Reed in a heartbeat and I still might.
Dynasty is a different story. He's a hold.
VikingFrog
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I have neither of these guys, but was watching closely because I reccomended a friend asking for advice to start Pierce.
I thought it was kind of funny that Forsette got that long 41 yard run on a play right after Pierce tapped himself out for being winded.
Not saying that Pierce would have gotten 41 yards, but that was a HUGE hole and he would have broken 100 yards total if he kept himself in that play.
Either way. You have to be more comfortable if you are the Pierce owner here. 22 carries to 8 carries is pretty telling that the coaching staff trusts him.
I thought it was kind of funny that Forsette got that long 41 yard run on a play right after Pierce tapped himself out for being winded.
Not saying that Pierce would have gotten 41 yards, but that was a HUGE hole and he would have broken 100 yards total if he kept himself in that play.
Either way. You have to be more comfortable if you are the Pierce owner here. 22 carries to 8 carries is pretty telling that the coaching staff trusts him.
Dondante
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
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A (potential*) goal-line back has very little value in a redraft. You can't start a guy hoping he gets a short yardage TD each week unless you are in a very deep league or a TD only league.
* as of now he isn't even a goal-line back.
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
I'm talking based on talent not necessity.
I agree with that. But my point is that if you have a bog roster and can afford to stash taliaferro, he might seize a gl and short yardage role and if pierce struggles or goes down that can grow to a feature role. If you have the roster spot to stash and wait, he could pay off. Personally, for me, I dropped him to pick up jordan reed. I might revisit picking him up again if I get a feeling that his role could grow, but my roster has no room for a guy who doesn't even see the field.
Being great at fantasy football is all about being malleable and knowing when to hold em and when to fold em (especially on your stances on every player). Gotta stay objective and realize when your analysis was wrong or too early.
Now let's see what Crowell has in store for us this week!
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massraider
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Do you think the previous poster was talking talent? Is that what you thought?
Gopher State
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Other then an injury or case of fumbles, Pierce will lead the Ravens in rushing this year
T with T
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tolia who? didn't seem to be used but we are waiting for your big prediction to come true.
LawFitz
Footballguy
So you expect Crowell to leapfrog West and Ben Tate ... Why?
Tate looked great before getting injured (it's only a 2-4 week injury) and West looked great replacing him.
Granted Crowell looked good but he only had 5 carries and he is 3rd in the pecking order.
LawFitz
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That's not what I said, but yeah, I do think Crowell has a shot and becoming nasty this season. He burst off the screen with very limited touches last week. He looked markedly better than Tate or West to me in those few touches. Let's at least see what he does with a few more this week before we say this thread is a waste.
Anyone who thinks this thread is a waste is the equivalent of a fantasy football rookie. Period. Whether or not one or both of these guys pans out is irrelevant.
What IS relevant is that threads like these help us to acquire potential season changers BEFORE they break out.
Taking that approach is bound to give you some misses. But when you hit, you hit big. That's how you win championships.
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chickensoup
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Basically this. My last bench slot is purely for rotating in a bye week QB, bye week TE, and guys who are 1 injury away from being a RB2 or WR3 or better. I don't need a 2nd or 3rd Flex option on bye weeks. I want guys who are close to a path to starting for me. Right now Crowell is 1 injury away from a feature back roll on a team who looked good running the ball week 1. That's all I need to know.
Guys like Crowell, CJ Anderson, Kniles Davis. They are good for add ins to trades as well. Helps grease the wheel to the guy who wants the handcuff and helps in negotiating a move up at a position or move up at a different position. Dez for Bell is probably a decent trade. It's much more likely to happen if you try Dez and CJ Anderson for Bell if they also own Ball in my experience.
Jim Otto
Footballguy
Hate to tell you Qim, but the fact it that not all of us are in 8 team friend and family leagues, where yes, this would be a useless thread.
My main league is a 16 teamer, hyper competitive, money league. A thread like this can make or break our season.
There is ZERO big name talent on the WW and anyone in that league who drafted Rice or Tate is watching this stuff like a hawk.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
16 teamer i could certainly understand ... but I don't get the feeling that the majority are in the same boat.
massraider
Footballguy
I feel like every year, some scrub RB becomes valuable, if even for a short while.
Might be the two listed here, could be Latavius Murray, Dion Lewis, or Damien Williams. Never know.
Might be the two listed here, could be Latavius Murray, Dion Lewis, or Damien Williams. Never know.
SameSongNDance
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
The problem is that every guppy in the Shark Pool wants to be the guy who predicted a breakout, so there are literally dozens of threads dedicated to 3rd and 4th string scrubs.
Personally I don't see this as a problem. I don't have time to analyze every single player (especially 3rd stringers) so when I see a thread like this one I'll give it the time of day. If I see a rationale about a player and a situation that makes sense I might choose to take it serious enough as to drop the last guy on my bench to take a shot. I still think the door is not closed for taliaferro or Crowell this season. I have one stashed in my dynasty league and one stashed in my redraft (deep bench).
Happy to change course and cut bait if/when I feel the opportunity is absolutely not there for either or if I have a need elsewhere.
Damien Williams is another one. A thread in the sp alerted me to him. I love that stuff.
We all know how awesome the top players are. We don't need threads on them.
And we certainly don't need 10 ap and ray rice threads that have nothing to do with fantasy football
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't think either one of these guys is going to be viable in redraft.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I think what frustrates people is that by the end of the day, every 3rd string RB has someone pimping them. So you end up with a bunch of white noise.rickyg said:
You see it in every "sleeper" thread, every "breakout" thread, every "bust" thread. If it runs long enough, everyone will be on it. So, yeah, someone in the thread will be right. But a lot of someones will be wrong.
All that said, it's a free message board where everyone is free to post. So there isn't a a fix for it.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I picked him up again to hold for this week. Couldn't hurt with my deep benches. I probably wouldn't do it if my bench space was valuable though.
Ketamine Dreams
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Interesting..
Verrrry interesting....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2204423-bernard-pierce-injury-updates-on-ravens-rbs-thigh-and-return
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Ravens needed depth at running back, hearing some rumblings that Bernard Pierce availability today now in serious doubt. Game-time decision
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I wonder if in redraft leagues it's smart to drop Crowell for taliaferro rt now. I'm not saying that I think taliaferro is more talented. I have no clue if he is or isn't.
But Crowell definitely has way more standing in front of him becoming a real factor THIS year.
If taliaferro gets some real work in today's game against Cleveland and impresses, I don't think the ravens coaching staff will hesitate to give him more chances to take the feature back role with pierce and forsett being the only roadblocks for him.
Crowell on the other handbags 2 talented backs in front of him.
But Crowell definitely has way more standing in front of him becoming a real factor THIS year.
If taliaferro gets some real work in today's game against Cleveland and impresses, I don't think the ravens coaching staff will hesitate to give him more chances to take the feature back role with pierce and forsett being the only roadblocks for him.
Crowell on the other handbags 2 talented backs in front of him.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Shoot this is probably the week talliaferro becomes a must grab. To think I wasted one of my allotted pick ups for the week on Damian Williams.
Dismattle
Footballguy
LOL It took me over an hour, and it hurt so much, I cant say who I cut..
If ya really wind up in trouble deciding, we may need a few to vouch for his combine numbers ie. 33 in Vert sounded kinda rough I mean I understand players "train /practice" for best performance, and its noticeable when they don't.. But 33 sounds like No Burst..
Im onboard for this w/e! WooHoo
