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Tamme's Hammy (1 Viewer)

i have tamme, white, and garcon, and i'm ohhh so tempted to start them all vs a lousy TN Pass D....prob sit white though

 
i have tamme, white, and garcon, and i'm ohhh so tempted to start them all vs a lousy TN Pass D....prob sit white though

 
The News

Steve Wyche reports that "all indications are that Colts tight end Jacob Tamme is playing tonight."

Our View

Tamme's dealing with a knee issue and is officially listed as a game-time decision. Still, most reports during the day have been optimistic, and we expect him to play in a must-win game for the Colts.

 
Football Critic said:
The NewsSteve Wyche reports that "all indications are that Colts tight end Jacob Tamme is playing tonight." Our ViewTamme's dealing with a knee issue and is officially listed as a game-time decision. Still, most reports during the day have been optimistic, and we expect him to play in a must-win game for the Colts.
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Knee or hammy??? WTF? I'll be away from web access for the next 2 hours. I sure hope he doesn't strain his knee or hammy during warmups.
 
Tammes only in half the time , Eldridge playing alot and when Tammes in hes not getting it thrown his way. Now that the Colts are up 3 scores they may not throw as much, what a crappy start.Gotta hope Tennessee can get some points so the Colts still throw.

 
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Yeah I only got a point for him so far, sucks. We need the Titans to score and get back in the game so Manning will keep throwing but it doesn't look good.

 
Looks like special packages only for Tamme. Mainly passing downs and packages. Once they got to the goal line it was all Eldridge for blocking purposes, with Gijon Robinson getting some work (and a penalty) too. So it looks like they're playing it safe, and with this score -- I don't expect to see alot of those big passing downs.

Hopefully Tennessee comes out of the half and puts up another score.

 
Colts won't be able to get conservative. CJ and Britt look like they won't be stopped by this Colts D. Peyton will keep throwing - hopefully to Tamme.

 
Once they got to the 20 Tamme was out of the lineup again. I read a few weeks ago they were willing to sacrifice his receiving abilty for blocking .Seems they did it lastg week . Elderidge was in alot last week and is again this week. Tamme cant block and thats keeping him out of the game. Crapppp.

 
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damageinc said:
Once they got to the 20 Tamme was out of the lineup again. I read a few weeks ago they were willing to sacrifice his receiving abilty for blocking .Seems they did it lastg week . Elderidge was in alot last week and is again this week. Tamme cant block and thats keeping him out of the game. Crapppp.
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The problem today is that all the 20-20 action has been in huge chunks, so there really hasn't been an opportunity for Tamme.You would think they would adjust on defense, but they keep going deep easily.I will settle for 50 yards...kick it in gear
 
damageinc said:
Once they got to the 20 Tamme was out of the lineup again. I read a few weeks ago they were willing to sacrifice his receiving abilty for blocking .Seems they did it lastg week . Elderidge was in alot last week and is again this week. Tamme cant block and thats keeping him out of the game. Crapppp.
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I noticed that too....Not Good...
 
If that's the case, and I still happen to win my matchup, I may have to look elsewhere for a TE for next week (Celek, Watson, etc).

 
the use of Tamme has come out of left field

He was their chain mover now....it's like I have Alge Crumpler as my TE

 
Another 2 catchs good but still not in game alot.

Guess ya cant blame them. since clark went out , Manning was getting killed . and alot of his picks were his being rushed. Tamme is a really good reciever but his lack of blocking hurts him. I just hope to get 50 ish yards from him but may not happen. Might also look for another TE if he doesnt pick it up . This will be 2 weak games for him and could be a trend.

 
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Has he even played 1 snap in the red zone? Geez.

Now, Eldridge gets a red zone target? wtf

 
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Bo Scaife , celek , Bengals TE or Graham on NO etc. they usualy get 3-4 catches a week.

 
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Well thats it .Was barley in the gane the second half, big 5 points from Tamme. oh well . what ya gonna do. If I make the next round and Celek shows anything I will not go back to Tamme again. 1 week is a down week but 2 weeks of Eldreige playing as much or more then Tamme is a trend.

 
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bleedgreen said:
Hopefully a week and a half of rest will fix his nagging injuries. Good matchups coming up.
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Not to be an alarmist, but I don't think injury is the only concern. Since the Colts had added Tamme as a receiving TE, Manning had been playing progressively worse - in part because he is getting crushed by the opposing pass rush. Tamme is not a good blocker. It seems, based on recent usage patterns, that the Colts may see taking Tamme out of the game in certain situations as a way to "fix" this problem (i.e. put in a better blocking TE and rely more heavily on Wayne and Garcon - which if you also look at their number the past two weeks, seems to be the case.)My point is that while they tried to use Tamme to "replace" Clark, his lack of blocking ability was part of the reason the offense was struggling. Obviously he still their best pass-catching TE, but they have other guys (WRs) who can catch passes too, and appear to be moving away from having Tamme in the game as much to allow better blocking TEs to help shore up the blocking up front.
 
DoubleG said:
bleedgreen said:
Hopefully a week and a half of rest will fix his nagging injuries. Good matchups coming up.
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Not to be an alarmist, but I don't think injury is the only concern. Since the Colts had added Tamme as a receiving TE, Manning had been playing progressively worse - in part because he is getting crushed by the opposing pass rush. Tamme is not a good blocker. It seems, based on recent usage patterns, that the Colts may see taking Tamme out of the game in certain situations as a way to "fix" this problem (i.e. put in a better blocking TE and rely more heavily on Wayne and Garcon - which if you also look at their number the past two weeks, seems to be the case.)My point is that while they tried to use Tamme to "replace" Clark, his lack of blocking ability was part of the reason the offense was struggling. Obviously he still their best pass-catching TE, but they have other guys (WRs) who can catch passes too, and appear to be moving away from having Tamme in the game as much to allow better blocking TEs to help shore up the blocking up front.
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Don't try to overthink this too much.What has happened the last two games is simple to identify. Tamme's productivity has been when the Colts have moved up and down the field in long drive and he's gotten a lot of yards and catches outside the red zone (and made some good plays and scored from Outside the redzone).

The past two weeks, he has been dealing with a knee/Hammy/back issue so anytime they get into the short yardage redzone situation, NOT because he CAN'T block, but becuase they ARE trying to run some and its silly to use a banged up TE with Back and knee problems to block when they have a bigger TE that specializes in blocking (which also sends a message to the defense that the Colts will try to run so they don't bring the house on Manning...giving the Colts some flexibility).

Also, during the past two weeks, a great amount of those catches and yards that Tamme was getting in the middle of the field have not been there because Manning has been hitting Wayne (mostly) with more deep balls in the last two weeks than they have all season. So, the opportunity has been gone because instead of Tamme getting 1-2 catches every drive for ten yards or so, the Colts have set up shop in the redzone following huge bombs that have made it all the way down the field, just not for scores (Wayne himself has 4 over the last two weeks that have went like this).

Next week should be a great week to start Tamme. The Colts now get ten days to rest everyone and prepare for what could be the game for the division and the Colts absolutely carved the Jags up in the passing game last time they played. The Jags will almost certainly play a lot of deep coverages and zone help and that lends itself for their to be several drives that are more to Tamme's favor.

I've seen several people say "well, next week if I am only going to get 4/45, there are lots of guys on the WW I can pick up and get that out of". Why would you do that? Isn't there a reason they are on the WW to start with? I understand being disappointed in 5 point games when you have been spoiled with 17-22 point games, but why bench Tamme when he is underachieving for a guy whose ceiling is Tamme's floor? Just think about what I've said above, start Tamme, and watch to see if the game unfolds like I mentioned. If it does, you will at least get 7-8 catches and much more yardage, even if a TD isn't in store.

 
As i pointed out hes right , tamme ( and the whole line) was killing manning. Heres a post from Fantasy Football Insider before week 13 ans it has been accurate

Week 13

The Indianapolis Colts' offensive line has been atrocious. They might use tight end Brody Eldridge to block more and keep Peyton Manning from quitting football. They might have reached the point where they'll sacrifice a receiving option to give Manning time for plays to develop.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/article.php/126236/39#ixzz17iUXgnK8

 
DoubleG said:
bleedgreen said:
Hopefully a week and a half of rest will fix his nagging injuries. Good matchups coming up.
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Not to be an alarmist, but I don't think injury is the only concern. Since the Colts had added Tamme as a receiving TE, Manning had been playing progressively worse - in part because he is getting crushed by the opposing pass rush. Tamme is not a good blocker. It seems, based on recent usage patterns, that the Colts may see taking Tamme out of the game in certain situations as a way to "fix" this problem (i.e. put in a better blocking TE and rely more heavily on Wayne and Garcon - which if you also look at their number the past two weeks, seems to be the case.)My point is that while they tried to use Tamme to "replace" Clark, his lack of blocking ability was part of the reason the offense was struggling. Obviously he still their best pass-catching TE, but they have other guys (WRs) who can catch passes too, and appear to be moving away from having Tamme in the game as much to allow better blocking TEs to help shore up the blocking up front.
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I think this may be spot on. I don't think it's being alarmist to see a clear trend and we're seeing one with Tamme. By far the most disconcerting development for Tamme owners is his removal from the field when the Colts are in the Red Zone. He had been a top Red Zone option for Manning but now he's not even on the field. That would seem to directly be a result of the blocking issues being alluded to. Obviously if he's not on the field in the Red Zone his fantasy value will suffer an enormous hit. The good news is he's still an active option between the 20s. Eight receptions the past two games is a big drop-off from what he had been averaging but it's a decent total. I still think he's a decent TE1 option but without the touchdown potential he's no longer a Must Start and he would definitely appear to have lost the TE1 production he had been generating.
 
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packersfan said:
DoubleG said:
bleedgreen said:
Hopefully a week and a half of rest will fix his nagging injuries. Good matchups coming up.
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Not to be an alarmist, but I don't think injury is the only concern. Since the Colts had added Tamme as a receiving TE, Manning had been playing progressively worse - in part because he is getting crushed by the opposing pass rush. Tamme is not a good blocker. It seems, based on recent usage patterns, that the Colts may see taking Tamme out of the game in certain situations as a way to "fix" this problem (i.e. put in a better blocking TE and rely more heavily on Wayne and Garcon - which if you also look at their number the past two weeks, seems to be the case.)My point is that while they tried to use Tamme to "replace" Clark, his lack of blocking ability was part of the reason the offense was struggling. Obviously he still their best pass-catching TE, but they have other guys (WRs) who can catch passes too, and appear to be moving away from having Tamme in the game as much to allow better blocking TEs to help shore up the blocking up front.
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I think this may be spot on. I don't think it's being alarmist to see a clear trend and we're seeing one with Tamme. By far the most disconcerting development for Tamme owners is his removal from the field when the Colts are in the Red Zone. He had been a top Red Zone option for Manning but now he's not even on the field. That would seem to directly be a result of the blocking issues being alluded to. Obviously if he's not on the field in the Red Zone his fantasy value will suffer an enormous hit. The good news is he's still an active option between the 20s. Eight receptions the past two games is a big drop-off from what he had been averaging but it's a decent total. I still think he's a decent TE1 option but without the touchdown potential he's no longer a Must Start and he would definitely appear to have lost the TE1 production he had been generating.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the use of Tamme has more to do with playcalling than anything else. I mean when Clark was healthy he was in the red zone and go down the field and catch passes, that's not a blocking issue, that's playcalling. Now the team may be changing their playcalling to protect Manning, but that's not just because he's in the red zone. You have to protect Manning everywhere, red zone, middle of the field. I see Tamme's use a result of the Colts wanting to run the football more in the red zone and that means he comes out of the game.Like I said maybe I'm missing something?
 
Hopefully he is healthier for next week. It made me sick to see Blair White get so many catches. Maybe the botched TD at the goal line was BW's fault and he fumbled once I think. Get Tamme in there on those GL plays and give the man his TDs, dammit!

 
Rounders said:
packersfan said:
DoubleG said:
bleedgreen said:
Hopefully a week and a half of rest will fix his nagging injuries. Good matchups coming up.
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Not to be an alarmist, but I don't think injury is the only concern. Since the Colts had added Tamme as a receiving TE, Manning had been playing progressively worse - in part because he is getting crushed by the opposing pass rush. Tamme is not a good blocker. It seems, based on recent usage patterns, that the Colts may see taking Tamme out of the game in certain situations as a way to "fix" this problem (i.e. put in a better blocking TE and rely more heavily on Wayne and Garcon - which if you also look at their number the past two weeks, seems to be the case.)My point is that while they tried to use Tamme to "replace" Clark, his lack of blocking ability was part of the reason the offense was struggling. Obviously he still their best pass-catching TE, but they have other guys (WRs) who can catch passes too, and appear to be moving away from having Tamme in the game as much to allow better blocking TEs to help shore up the blocking up front.
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I think this may be spot on. I don't think it's being alarmist to see a clear trend and we're seeing one with Tamme. By far the most disconcerting development for Tamme owners is his removal from the field when the Colts are in the Red Zone. He had been a top Red Zone option for Manning but now he's not even on the field. That would seem to directly be a result of the blocking issues being alluded to. Obviously if he's not on the field in the Red Zone his fantasy value will suffer an enormous hit. The good news is he's still an active option between the 20s. Eight receptions the past two games is a big drop-off from what he had been averaging but it's a decent total. I still think he's a decent TE1 option but without the touchdown potential he's no longer a Must Start and he would definitely appear to have lost the TE1 production he had been generating.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the use of Tamme has more to do with playcalling than anything else. I mean when Clark was healthy he was in the red zone and go down the field and catch passes, that's not a blocking issue, that's playcalling. Now the team may be changing their playcalling to protect Manning, but that's not just because he's in the red zone. You have to protect Manning everywhere, red zone, middle of the field. I see Tamme's use a result of the Colts wanting to run the football more in the red zone and that means he comes out of the game.Like I said maybe I'm missing something?
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He wasn't on the field in passing situations in the Red Zone last night either. Again, I think his upside is higher than a lot of other TEs so I think he remains a decent starter. I just don't think he's a slam-dunk Must Start TE any longer. One game could be an aberration but two games with the same pattern sure looks like a trend.
 
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