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Tampa Bay Rays 2010 thread (1 Viewer)

Far be it for ESPN to report this after bashing this area for a week straight, but games A and B of the ALDS are sold out. Took less than 2 hours apparently. :popcorn:
You can still buy plenty of really good seats on ticketmaster. There are going to be more than a smattering of Texas fans there. I imagine there will be seats available to all games walk-up all the way to the world series.
What is 'more than a smattering' equal to?
 
Far be it for ESPN to report this after bashing this area for a week straight, but games A and B of the ALDS are sold out. Took less than 2 hours apparently. :goodposting:
You can still buy plenty of really good seats on ticketmaster. There are going to be more than a smattering of Texas fans there. I imagine there will be seats available to all games walk-up all the way to the world series.
What is 'more than a smattering' equal to?
Who knows. There are some groups getting charters together. Still tickets available on ticketmaster tonight, but some here I guess still call it "sold out". Some groups are trying to get there by way of orlando tickets which are cheap this time of year. It won't be like a yankees/red sox thing both for fanbase reasons and that most here assumed the yankees would win the AL East. Trop is sort of a let down and many may just hope for a 2nd round which will have the better atmosphere.
 
Uh, you should just hope for a 2nd-round at all. Anything can happen in a short series, but the Rays have been the better team all season.

Still, arrogant Ranger fan kills me. The Rays haven't been around two decades and already have more playoff wins and World Series visits. And yet you're in here talking about "atmosphere" as if your stadium is Fenway or something. :( it's not exactly like the Rangers have a lifetime of great attendance or of being a super fanbase or whatever. Weird.

 
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Far be it for ESPN to report this after bashing this area for a week straight, but games A and B of the ALDS are sold out. Took less than 2 hours apparently. :goodposting:
You can still buy plenty of really good seats on ticketmaster. There are going to be more than a smattering of Texas fans there. I imagine there will be seats available to all games walk-up all the way to the world series.
What is 'more than a smattering' equal to?
Who knows. There are some groups getting charters together. Still tickets available on ticketmaster tonight, but some here I guess still call it "sold out". Some groups are trying to get there by way of orlando tickets which are cheap this time of year. It won't be like a yankees/red sox thing both for fanbase reasons and that most here assumed the yankees would win the AL East. Trop is sort of a let down and many may just hope for a 2nd round which will have the better atmosphere.
There were very few White Sox fans here for Games 1 and 2 in '08...I'd guess there will be even less Rangers fans.Probably why the Trop was so loud in '08 and will be so loud again.
 
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Uh, you should just hope for a 2nd-round at all. Anything can happen in a short series, but the Rays have been the better team all season. Still, arrogant Ranger fan kills me. The Rays haven't been around two decades and already have more playoff wins and World Series visits. And yet you're in here talking about "atmosphere" as if your stadium is Fenway or something. :goodposting: it's not exactly like the Rangers have a lifetime of great attendance or of being a super fanbase or whatever. Weird.
Not worth getting into a pissing match on this, but the playoff system since Tampa showed up on the scene is much more favorable if you can make it in. The Rangers didn't have a chance in the pre wild-card era, and in the post wild-card era we had a ridiculous ownership structure. It happens. This is a team that is well built to compete at a lower payroll level for the next half decade, and has some real likable guys on it. I don't think this is the year to really shock the world, but a year to build on and gain playoff experience. I'd like to think that just pointing out that there are tickets available isn't arrogant. I think it's helpful as there are people that may want to go to the game and were misinformed that that wasn't possible through the team. You for some reason took great offense to this. There are some people who are fans that want to see a playoff game on the road. It's a bucket list thing for some people and who knows if it will happen again. The groups on some of the fan boards are disappointed that it's not in a better venue and also upset it's versus a team that will not get a better timeslot, but whatever. Tampa earned the right to be there, and nobody debates that.
 
Another fun season in the books. The Rays gave us another ride this year. Was fun while it lasted.

 
Well the gloom and doom of a season that didn't go quite as well as hoped is supplanted by looking at the Giants lineup for this World Series.

If a team with a left side of the infield featuring Juan Uribe and Edgar Renteria can make the World Series in 2010, the Rays can overcome the loss of Carl Crawford. Not like they are completely without offensive talent.

David Price, Jeremy Hellickson, Wade Davis and Matt Garza...this team is going to have to pitch its way back to the playoffs, but I think they'll be able to do it if those guys can maintain and/or take a leap. Will be an interesting off-season.

 
Baseball is ####### ridiculous.

I knew that we would be dumping a lot of players, but thinking about seeing seeing CC in a Red Sox uniform is really turning me off to the entire organization and the sport for that matter. If he would have sent to the Angels, I would be completely fine, but seeing as the Rays will probably have to face Lee/Sabathia in NY and now Carl in Boston... Ugh, I'm just disgusted right now.

We're no better than a farm team for the higher paying teams.

 
Baseball is insanely stupid. You have to accept that if you're going to watch. No point in following it and complaining about payrolls now. We all know what the Sox and Yanks do.

That said, the Rays have won the East two out of the last three years. I wouldn't put it past them to win it again in the next two years.

 
Baseball is insanely stupid. You have to accept that if you're going to watch. No point in following it and complaining about payrolls now. We all know what the Sox and Yanks do. That said, the Rays have won the East two out of the last three years. I wouldn't put it past them to win it again in the next two years.
What he said.Pitching wins championships. And the Rays have very good pitching. I think Hellickson is going to be a beast in a full time role this year.
 
Any talk on possible free agents? Would have to think the Rays are looking for some pop at first base/dh.

Reports are that the Rays have been underwhelmed by offers for Garza. If so, they should just trade him at the deadline because teams will be desperate for pitchers. Garza plays in the toughest division in baseball, is an innings eater, and has put up solid stats. Oh yeah, he just turned 27. What is not to like? Teams should be falling over themselves for this guy.

Rays fans, if they make no signings, what does the lineup look like? I read somewhere that Desmond Jennings is in no way guaranteed a spot on the roster.

 
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Any talk on possible free agents? Would have to think the Rays are looking for some pop at first base/dh.Reports are that the Rays have been underwhelmed by offers for Garza. If so, they should just trade him at the deadline because teams will be desperate for pitchers. Garza plays in the toughest division in baseball, is an innings eater, and has put up solid stats. Oh yeah, he just turned 27. What is not to like? Teams should be falling over themselves for this guy.Rays fans, if they make no signings, what does the lineup look like? I read somewhere that Desmond Jennings is in no way guaranteed a spot on the roster.
Are they seriously considering regular playing time for Dan Johnson?
 
Oh come on, your Giants just won the World Series playing ####in Juan Uribe and Edgar Renteria everyday. Dan Johnson is at least half a step ahead of them.

 
Oh come on, your Giants just won the World Series playing ####in Juan Uribe and Edgar Renteria everyday. Dan Johnson is at least half a step ahead of them.
Johnson's 2010 slash line is pretty comparable to Pena's (and Uribe's if you just use OBP & SLG).The Rays will get above average offensive production from 3B and possibly C, CF and one of the corner OF. They should get average production from the MIs. That leaves DH, 1B and the other corner which generally isn't where most teams are deficient.
 
Oh come on, your Giants just won the World Series playing ####in Juan Uribe and Edgar Renteria everyday. Dan Johnson is at least half a step ahead of them.
Johnson's 2010 slash line is pretty comparable to Pena's (and Uribe's if you just use OBP & SLG).The Rays will get above average offensive production from 3B and possibly C, CF and one of the corner OF. They should get average production from the MIs. That leaves DH, 1B and the other corner which generally isn't where most teams are deficient.
Hey, Pena was garbage 4 years ago too. Wouldn't be totally crazy if Johnson was decent. They need Sean Rodriguez to be big and for Zobrist to rebound. With their SP, I still think they'll contend. :unsure:
 
Why are the Rays shopping pitchers? I understand that they were never really going to re-sign Crawford/Pena, etc and Bartlett was redundant... but it seems like they're looking to reduce payroll even beyond that money coming off the books in free agency. Is it just a case of having internal options that they want to make space for, or is there a set budget that they're trying to get under?

I did a quick search and found old articles saying they wanted to drop from the 70+ million they were at last year to below 60 million, but I would think Crawford/Pena/Bartlett would cover that off pretty quickly. Are there internal guys who are going to get raises/extensions that they need to fit in that 60 million dollar figure?

 
Why are the Rays shopping pitchers? I understand that they were never really going to re-sign Crawford/Pena, etc and Bartlett was redundant... but it seems like they're looking to reduce payroll even beyond that money coming off the books in free agency. Is it just a case of having internal options that they want to make space for, or is there a set budget that they're trying to get under? I did a quick search and found old articles saying they wanted to drop from the 70+ million they were at last year to below 60 million, but I would think Crawford/Pena/Bartlett would cover that off pretty quickly. Are there internal guys who are going to get raises/extensions that they need to fit in that 60 million dollar figure?
No, I'm sure they've hit their budget mark. They have 6 legit ML starting pitchers, all locked up for quite a while. Price/Garza/Shields/Davis/Niemann/Hellickson, and then Jake McGee who made a mockery of the minors last year. McGee likely headed to the pen next year though. So, 6 starters...5 spots, it makes sense to trade Garza for a big bat to address 1B or LF.
 
Why are the Rays shopping pitchers? I understand that they were never really going to re-sign Crawford/Pena, etc and Bartlett was redundant... but it seems like they're looking to reduce payroll even beyond that money coming off the books in free agency. Is it just a case of having internal options that they want to make space for, or is there a set budget that they're trying to get under? I did a quick search and found old articles saying they wanted to drop from the 70+ million they were at last year to below 60 million, but I would think Crawford/Pena/Bartlett would cover that off pretty quickly. Are there internal guys who are going to get raises/extensions that they need to fit in that 60 million dollar figure?
No, I'm sure they've hit their budget mark. They have 6 legit ML starting pitchers, all locked up for quite a while. Price/Garza/Shields/Davis/Niemann/Hellickson, and then Jake McGee who made a mockery of the minors last year. McGee likely headed to the pen next year though. So, 6 starters...5 spots, it makes sense to trade Garza for a big bat to address 1B or LF.
And that's coming from the Cubs ? Because that's the only team I've heard him going to.
 
Why are the Rays shopping pitchers? I understand that they were never really going to re-sign Crawford/Pena, etc and Bartlett was redundant... but it seems like they're looking to reduce payroll even beyond that money coming off the books in free agency. Is it just a case of having internal options that they want to make space for, or is there a set budget that they're trying to get under? I did a quick search and found old articles saying they wanted to drop from the 70+ million they were at last year to below 60 million, but I would think Crawford/Pena/Bartlett would cover that off pretty quickly. Are there internal guys who are going to get raises/extensions that they need to fit in that 60 million dollar figure?
No, I'm sure they've hit their budget mark. They have 6 legit ML starting pitchers, all locked up for quite a while. Price/Garza/Shields/Davis/Niemann/Hellickson, and then Jake McGee who made a mockery of the minors last year. McGee likely headed to the pen next year though. So, 6 starters...5 spots, it makes sense to trade Garza for a big bat to address 1B or LF.
And that's coming from the Cubs ? Because that's the only team I've heard him going to.
Looks like the Rangers might be in the mix too. Brewers appear out of it.
 
Yea, Cubs appear to be the favorite. There is some lefty-hitting slugger (young kid) they have that the Rays seem to covet. I can't think of his name at the moment.

 
When are the Rays getting a new stadium Caps?
Not in the game plan at the moment. Last I heard, some local investors/businessmen were trying to cobble something together to keep it as much out of the taxpayers hands as possible. The economy here is devastated, it's sad really. I imagine something will get done eventually (this area does love it's pro sports, despite the rap it gets), but it's going to be uniquely done. Not going to be straight taxpayer deals like the Bucs/Lightning stadiums were.Edit: To answer the question, something will have to be in place by 2017. That's when it starts to make sense for them to leave without having to pay an obscene buyout.
 
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In a rare sign of bright news, Evan Longoria said he wants to be a "Ray for life" and it would be open to signing a Tulo contract.

At this point, that's something the Rays have to consider doing.

 
Yea, Cubs appear to be the favorite. There is some lefty-hitting slugger (young kid) they have that the Rays seem to covet. I can't think of his name at the moment.
I wonder who this would be exactly. The only thing the Cubs system lacks is power hitters. Vitters is the best hope but he is RH. LH Russ Canzler hit 21 in 355 at bats in AA at age 24 but had not shown that power for a few years. Colvin has the best left handed power in the organization. Brett Jackson is currently their best hitting prospect and a legit center fielder but he profiles as a 15-25 HR guy. Catchers Chirinos and Castillo have power but are both RH. The rest of the known power is in the AAAA class of players like Hoffpauir. They have some players with projected power in rookie ball but the most highly thought of is RH OF Reggie Golden. Pretty sure slugger doesn't describe anybody in the Cubs system.Basically the Cubs have B+ type of prospects in Jackson, SP Chris Archer, and SP/RP Trey McNutt. After that, they have a ton of depth in starting pitchers, middle infielders, and athletes in the outfield. My assumption is that the Rays were going after one of the bigger three plus some. I am sure the Rays see players they like so it might come down to whether the Cubs would include one of those three.
 
Yea I think it was Colvin. From what I read it was Colvin and a well-regarded pitcher, which caused the Cubs to balk.

Garza is going to require two good prospects though. 3 more years of team control, playoff success and great stuff. He's a good get.

 
When are the Rays getting a new stadium Caps?
Not in the game plan at the moment. Last I heard, some local investors/businessmen were trying to cobble something together to keep it as much out of the taxpayers hands as possible. The economy here is devastated, it's sad really. I imagine something will get done eventually (this area does love it's pro sports, despite the rap it gets), but it's going to be uniquely done. Not going to be straight taxpayer deals like the Bucs/Lightning stadiums were.Edit: To answer the question, something will have to be in place by 2017. That's when it starts to make sense for them to leave without having to pay an obscene buyout.
That sucks. I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago that it wasn't too far off, something like 2014.This team/city deserves a brand new ballpark.
 
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Yea I think it was Colvin. From what I read it was Colvin and a well-regarded pitcher, which caused the Cubs to balk. Garza is going to require two good prospects though. 3 more years of team control, playoff success and great stuff. He's a good get.
I have been struggling with who the Rays should want and who the Cubs should give. Garza is a solid starting pitcher who can have #2 type years. The Cubs have a very deep system but not huge impact depth especially at the plate. If the want LH power, it has to be Colvin. But the Cubs need LH power. If they are asking for Colvin and Archer/McNutt, that is steep and deal probably isn't going to happen. Colvin is a Soriano type of hitter from the left side. I see a normal season at 325 OBP and 500 SLG. He should be a valuable #5 or #6 slugger but I would be surprised if he became much more than that.If it is Colvin plus a Jay Jackson that is much tougher for the Cubs to turn down. But I am not sure if they would put Colvin in the deal simply because they need his LH power.
 
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Yea I think it was Colvin. From what I read it was Colvin and a well-regarded pitcher, which caused the Cubs to balk. Garza is going to require two good prospects though. 3 more years of team control, playoff success and great stuff. He's a good get.
I have been struggling with who the Rays should want and who the Cubs should give. Garza is a solid starting pitcher who can have #2 type years. The Cubs have a very deep system but not huge impact depth especially at the plate. If the want LH power, it has to be Colvin. But the Cubs need LH power. If they are asking for Colvin and Archer/McNutt, that is steep and deal probably isn't going to happen. Colvin is a Soriano type of hitter from the left side. I see a normal season at 325 OBP and 500 SLG. He should be a valuable #5 or #6 slugger but I would be surprised if he became much more than that.If it is Colvin plus a Jay Jackson that is much tougher for the Cubs to turn down. But I am not sure if they would put Colvin in the deal simply because they need his LH power.
I just don't think that is too much for a legitimate # 2. Garza has gone over 200 innings the last 2 years (and 185 the year before), pitches in the toughest division in baseball, and has a lot of big game experience. Now move to the National League. He could be putting up # 1 stats. And he is under control for 3 years. And rememner, the Cubs prospects are just that - prospects. Remember the two can't misses the Tigers gave up for Miguel Cabrera? Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin. Well, it turns out they missed.That is why I don't understand why more teams aren't falling over themselves trying to get him.
 
Yea I think it was Colvin. From what I read it was Colvin and a well-regarded pitcher, which caused the Cubs to balk. Garza is going to require two good prospects though. 3 more years of team control, playoff success and great stuff. He's a good get.
I have been struggling with who the Rays should want and who the Cubs should give. Garza is a solid starting pitcher who can have #2 type years. The Cubs have a very deep system but not huge impact depth especially at the plate. If the want LH power, it has to be Colvin. But the Cubs need LH power. If they are asking for Colvin and Archer/McNutt, that is steep and deal probably isn't going to happen. Colvin is a Soriano type of hitter from the left side. I see a normal season at 325 OBP and 500 SLG. He should be a valuable #5 or #6 slugger but I would be surprised if he became much more than that.If it is Colvin plus a Jay Jackson that is much tougher for the Cubs to turn down. But I am not sure if they would put Colvin in the deal simply because they need his LH power.
I just don't think that is too much for a legitimate # 2. Garza has gone over 200 innings the last 2 years (and 185 the year before), pitches in the toughest division in baseball, and has a lot of big game experience. Now move to the National League. He could be putting up # 1 stats. And he is under control for 3 years. And rememner, the Cubs prospects are just that - prospects. Remember the two can't misses the Tigers gave up for Miguel Cabrera? Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin. Well, it turns out they missed.That is why I don't understand why more teams aren't falling over themselves trying to get him.
It isn't that I think that Garza isn't worth Colvin plus. It is just that the Cubs may value Colvin more than his true value due to their lineup options. If I was in charge, I would give Colvin plus to get Garza and just play Kosuke opening up a spot for Brett Jackson next year who I think will be a better player than Colvin. I would bet against Colvin becoming a 900 OPS guy while I think Garza will be a strong starter for the Cubs for as long as they want to keep him.Of course, there is some reason more teams are not going after Garza. ;)
 
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Yea I think it was Colvin. From what I read it was Colvin and a well-regarded pitcher, which caused the Cubs to balk.

Garza is going to require two good prospects though. 3 more years of team control, playoff success and great stuff. He's a good get.
I have been struggling with who the Rays should want and who the Cubs should give. Garza is a solid starting pitcher who can have #2 type years. The Cubs have a very deep system but not huge impact depth especially at the plate. If the want LH power, it has to be Colvin. But the Cubs need LH power. If they are asking for Colvin and Archer/McNutt, that is steep and deal probably isn't going to happen. Colvin is a Soriano type of hitter from the left side. I see a normal season at 325 OBP and 500 SLG. He should be a valuable #5 or #6 slugger but I would be surprised if he became much more than that.If it is Colvin plus a Jay Jackson that is much tougher for the Cubs to turn down. But I am not sure if they would put Colvin in the deal simply because they need his LH power.
I just don't think that is too much for a legitimate # 2. Garza has gone over 200 innings the last 2 years (and 185 the year before), pitches in the toughest division in baseball, and has a lot of big game experience. Now move to the National League. He could be putting up # 1 stats. And he is under control for 3 years. And rememner, the Cubs prospects are just that - prospects. Remember the two can't misses the Tigers gave up for Miguel Cabrera? Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin. Well, it turns out they missed.That is why I don't understand why more teams aren't falling over themselves trying to get him.
It isn't that I think that Garza isn't worth Colvin plus. It is just that the Cubs may value Colvin more than his true value due to their lineup options. If I was in charge, I would give Colvin plus to get Garza and just play Kosuke opening up a spot for Brett Jackson next year who I think will be a better player than Colvin. I would bet against Colvin becoming a 900 OPS guy while I think Garza will be a strong starter for the Cubs for as long as they want to keep him.Of course, there is some reason more teams are not going after Garza. :towelwave:
Not alot of bright gms. People are falling over themselves throwing huge $$$ at free agent pitchers when they could get an excellent # 1 and # 2 in trades in Greinke and Garza.
 
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Yea I think it was Colvin. From what I read it was Colvin and a well-regarded pitcher, which caused the Cubs to balk.

Garza is going to require two good prospects though. 3 more years of team control, playoff success and great stuff. He's a good get.
I have been struggling with who the Rays should want and who the Cubs should give. Garza is a solid starting pitcher who can have #2 type years. The Cubs have a very deep system but not huge impact depth especially at the plate. If the want LH power, it has to be Colvin. But the Cubs need LH power. If they are asking for Colvin and Archer/McNutt, that is steep and deal probably isn't going to happen. Colvin is a Soriano type of hitter from the left side. I see a normal season at 325 OBP and 500 SLG. He should be a valuable #5 or #6 slugger but I would be surprised if he became much more than that.If it is Colvin plus a Jay Jackson that is much tougher for the Cubs to turn down. But I am not sure if they would put Colvin in the deal simply because they need his LH power.
I just don't think that is too much for a legitimate # 2. Garza has gone over 200 innings the last 2 years (and 185 the year before), pitches in the toughest division in baseball, and has a lot of big game experience. Now move to the National League. He could be putting up # 1 stats. And he is under control for 3 years. And rememner, the Cubs prospects are just that - prospects. Remember the two can't misses the Tigers gave up for Miguel Cabrera? Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin. Well, it turns out they missed.That is why I don't understand why more teams aren't falling over themselves trying to get him.
It isn't that I think that Garza isn't worth Colvin plus. It is just that the Cubs may value Colvin more than his true value due to their lineup options. If I was in charge, I would give Colvin plus to get Garza and just play Kosuke opening up a spot for Brett Jackson next year who I think will be a better player than Colvin. I would bet against Colvin becoming a 900 OPS guy while I think Garza will be a strong starter for the Cubs for as long as they want to keep him.Of course, there is some reason more teams are not going after Garza. :shrug:
Not alot of bright gms. People are falling over themselves throwing huge $$$ at free agent pitchers when they could get an excellent # 1 and # 2 in trades in Greinke and Garza.
The price for Grienke is obscene and a team that makes a move for him needs to either win in the next 2 years or lock him up long term, and to lock him up long term will take a ton of money, just like the free agent pitchers. At least signing a guy doesn't decimate your farm system. The Brewers just gave up their #1 prospect and they're still going to have to fork over the cash to keep Marcum beyond next season.How many years is Garza controllable for?

 
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Garza has all 3 arb years coming up. So, controlled through 2013.

If he doesn't get a great return, they'll just hold on to him. Not like you need to trade pitching. A market will eventually develop.

 
Here is how the AL East goes with picks

Bos: 19, 26, 36, 41, 49

TB: 24, 31, 32, 39, 42, 43

Tor: 21, 35, 47

Then the Yankees at 53

TB: 54, 59, 62, 63

Tor: 56, 60, 77, 81

Bos: 84

And then the Yanks at 91

 
Yea, Cubs appear to be the favorite. There is some lefty-hitting slugger (young kid) they have that the Rays seem to covet. I can't think of his name at the moment.
I wonder who this would be exactly. The only thing the Cubs system lacks is power hitters. Vitters is the best hope but he is RH. LH Russ Canzler hit 21 in 355 at bats in AA at age 24 but had not shown that power for a few years. Colvin has the best left handed power in the organization. Brett Jackson is currently their best hitting prospect and a legit center fielder but he profiles as a 15-25 HR guy. Catchers Chirinos and Castillo have power but are both RH. The rest of the known power is in the AAAA class of players like Hoffpauir. They have some players with projected power in rookie ball but the most highly thought of is RH OF Reggie Golden. Pretty sure slugger doesn't describe anybody in the Cubs system.Basically the Cubs have B+ type of prospects in Jackson, SP Chris Archer, and SP/RP Trey McNutt. After that, they have a ton of depth in starting pitchers, middle infielders, and athletes in the outfield. My assumption is that the Rays were going after one of the bigger three plus some. I am sure the Rays see players they like so it might come down to whether the Cubs would include one of those three.
Looks like I called this one. Still not sure where I stand on the trade for the Cubs. I guess that means it was pretty fair. Anything you guys want to know about the prospects?
 
Yea, Cubs appear to be the favorite. There is some lefty-hitting slugger (young kid) they have that the Rays seem to covet. I can't think of his name at the moment.
I wonder who this would be exactly. The only thing the Cubs system lacks is power hitters. Vitters is the best hope but he is RH. LH Russ Canzler hit 21 in 355 at bats in AA at age 24 but had not shown that power for a few years. Colvin has the best left handed power in the organization. Brett Jackson is currently their best hitting prospect and a legit center fielder but he profiles as a 15-25 HR guy. Catchers Chirinos and Castillo have power but are both RH. The rest of the known power is in the AAAA class of players like Hoffpauir. They have some players with projected power in rookie ball but the most highly thought of is RH OF Reggie Golden. Pretty sure slugger doesn't describe anybody in the Cubs system.Basically the Cubs have B+ type of prospects in Jackson, SP Chris Archer, and SP/RP Trey McNutt. After that, they have a ton of depth in starting pitchers, middle infielders, and athletes in the outfield. My assumption is that the Rays were going after one of the bigger three plus some. I am sure the Rays see players they like so it might come down to whether the Cubs would include one of those three.
Looks like I called this one. Still not sure where I stand on the trade for the Cubs. I guess that means it was pretty fair. Anything you guys want to know about the prospects?
Sure, anything you have would be good to read. In particular, the LH outfielder they got (Suld?). His numbers seemed ok-ish last year. Why do so many seem to be down on him?
 
Tampa now has nine picks before the start of the second round...Yeesh
Two more coming when Balfour signs, as well. :lmao: Has to be a record.
Real good opportunity for Rays to restock the farm, especially if they are willing to pay over slot for some guys. That is crazy. 11 picks? Wow. Hit on 2 or 3 and they are golden.
They've got #'s 24, 31, 32, 39, 42, 43 (sandwich pick for Balfour), 54, 59, 62, 63 (sandwich pick for Chad Qualls, who just signed with the Padres) and 78 (from the A's for Balfour). Damn.
 
Sure, anything you have would be good to read. In particular, the LH outfielder they got (Suld?). His numbers seemed ok-ish last year. Why do so many seem to be down on him?
Largely because at 29 Fuld is not regarded as a prospect and at 5'10 and 175 projects at best as a fourth outfielder.In 368 AB at AAA last year he hit only 272 with four HR and 21 SB
 
Sure, anything you have would be good to read. In particular, the LH outfielder they got (Suld?). His numbers seemed ok-ish last year. Why do so many seem to be down on him?
Largely because at 29 Fuld is not regarded as a prospect and at 5'10 and 175 projects at best as a fourth outfielder.In 368 AB at AAA last year he hit only 272 with four HR and 21 SB
Yea I'm not talking about a star, but as a 4th-OF guy who plays once to twice a week. Seems like a good guy to have on your roster.
 
Fuld is a tough as nails outfielder much like Reed Johnson defensively. In addition to being able to play a decent center field, he is a very patient hitter. However, he lacks any power so his value on offense will be as a #2 type hitter at best if he can maintain a solid average or a #9 hitter acting as a second lead off man. He isn't much of a steal threat. Really isn't a 4th outfielder due to his lack of offense. He can be a decent backup center fielder who isn't a complete offensive hole.

Chirinos established himself as a solid defensive catcher who has destroyed the ball in leagues below his age level. He should be a good backup catcher for a few years. He is a converted infielder who has actually played some shortstop. If his offense can jump from AA without losing a ton of value, he could be a viable starter.

Guyer is an athletic outfielder who probably will develop into a solid 4th OF/decent starter who it seems could play in center. I would guess that he is a 15-15 HR-SB guy. Another guy who mashed in a league below his age level. He doesn't take many walks.

Lee has plus speed, plus range, and a solid arm. He is very erratic in the field making tons of errors. He is a slap hitter who is developing patience. His upside is a top of the order plus fielding shortstop. I assume he has a ton of development to go.

Archer altered his approach with the Cubs and began to dominate. The Cubs had concerns about his ability to command his pitches as a starter in the big leagues although he has been a starter in the system. He has electric enough stuff to play a part in the late inning relief.

The upside of Lee and Archer are what make this a dangerous trade for the Cubs. However, there is enough risk for me to think the Cubs may never regret this trade.

 

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