Tara Reade and Joe Bide Poll (1 Viewer)

[jon_mx]

Wondering where people stand on this.

 

[Sweet J]

Question #3 is problematic.  It assumes that she told close friends and family that she was sexually assaulted.  I'm not quite sure on that. I'm not 100% sure I believe what she told people.  Plus I don't like any of the responses to chose from.  I'd choose "I don't know why she acted the way she did."

 

[whoknew]

Question #3 is problematic.  It assumes that she told close friends and family that she was sexually assaulted.  I'm not quite sure on that. I'm not 100% sure I believe what she told people.  Plus I don't like any of the responses to chose from.  I'd choose "I don't know why she acted the way she did."

That's why I didn't complete the poll. I would have chosen that.

 

[Thunderlips]

3 isn't a good question. 

 

[Thunderlips]

4 as well as there is no:  Both credible: Question Ford Question Reid option. 

 

[Amused to Death]

I also stopped at Q3. I have not followed this very closely but from I have heard, I have trouble believing it since nothing surfaced when Biden was vetted for VP.

I'm voting for the Dem candidate regardless, just like Trump supporters voted for him regardless of his on-tape admission to sexual assaults.

 

[jon_mx]

3 isn't a good question. 

Question #3 is problematic.  It assumes that she told close friends and family that she was sexually assaulted.  I'm not quite sure on that. I'm not 100% sure I believe what she told people.  Plus I don't like any of the responses to chose from.  I'd choose "I don't know why she acted the way she did."

Sure, but you can answer 'we should not question her motivation'.  I would add a 'don't know' if they allowed edits.  But can't.  The reason I put Q3 in there is there are people that have raised those as reasons in this forum.  It seems to fail any logic, but they do.  

 

[jon_mx]

Good to see there is some balance coming back to this forum.  The fact that more people have responded they will not vote for Biden is not something even imaginable six months back.  I am sure the topic does not interest some Biden supporters or they are offended, which drives some of the numbers in an unexpected start.

 

[Sweet J]

Sure, but you can answer 'we should not question her motivation'.  I would add a 'don't know' if they allowed edits.  But can't.  The reason I put Q3 in there is there are people that have raised those as reasons in this forum.  It seems to fail any logic, but they do.  

I like to be able to respond to polls.  The closest thing I see in #3 is "don't question motivation," but just know that my response is closer to "I can't really get in a person's head to know their motivation."  It's close, but slightly different. But I'll answer it that way.

 

[jon_mx]

4 as well as there is no:  Both credible: Question Ford Question Reid option. 

Legitimate point....again would add that option if I could. 

I would ask the mods to add the following responses.

Question 3:  "I don't know"

Question 4:  :Both credible: Question Reade and Ford"

 

[Snotbubbles]

I also stopped at Q3. I have not followed this very closely but from I have heard, I have trouble believing it since nothing surfaced when Biden was vetted for VP.

I'm voting for the Dem candidate regardless, just like Trump supporters voted for him regardless of his on-tape admission to sexual assaults.

Just curious, did you find Blasey Ford credible?

I ask this only because, Kavanaugh's SC confirmation hearings weren't the first time he appeared before Congress to be confirmed for a judicial position.  So if your position is that Reade isn't credible because the allegations didn't surface in a 2008 vetting, but then find Blasey Ford credible even though her allegations didn't surface in a 2006 confirmation hearing doesn't seem to be consistent. 

Allegations of sexual assault are almost always "he said, she said" and are extremely difficult to prove.  In many cases, the victim doesn't want to come forward with some or all of the information for a multitude of reasons.  In the case of Reade, Biden was in a position of authority over Reade.  Someone with political aspirations would be finished if they made sexual assault accusations against a Senator.  When you listen to the Larry King call, if that actually was Reade's mother you can tell that Reade was conflicted on how to handle the situation.  Back then there wasn't MeToo or a call for victims to be heard.  I just look at all the instances of Harvey Weinstein and how he got away with numerous sexual assaults over many years and wonder just how hard of a daily struggle those victims went through on whether to say something and never work in the movie industry again or keep quiet.  

I find Reade to be more credible than Blasey Ford because at the very least you can place both the accuser and the accused in the same place at the time.  I find it hard to believe anything Blasey Ford said and then take the position that Reade isn't credible.  None of this affects my voting decision though.  I am a firm believer in due process and the notion that we are innocent until proven guilty.  I just like the hypocrisy of people who said "believe women/victims" when the accused was Kavanaugh but now are changing their stance because it's Biden.  It doesn't change anything, but it really highlights the flaws and political motivations of the victim movements and people involved with them.         

 

[Amused to Death]

Just curious, did you find Blasey Ford credible?

I ask this only because, Kavanaugh's SC confirmation hearings weren't the first time he appeared before Congress to be confirmed for a judicial position.  So if your position is that Reade isn't credible because the allegations didn't surface in a 2008 vetting, but then find Blasey Ford credible even though her allegations didn't surface in a 2006 confirmation hearing doesn't seem to be consistent. 

Allegations of sexual assault are almost always "he said, she said" and are extremely difficult to prove.  In many cases, the victim doesn't want to come forward with some or all of the information for a multitude of reasons.  In the case of Reade, Biden was in a position of authority over Reade.  Someone with political aspirations would be finished if they made sexual assault accusations against a Senator.  When you listen to the Larry King call, if that actually was Reade's mother you can tell that Reade was conflicted on how to handle the situation.  Back then there wasn't MeToo or a call for victims to be heard.  I just look at all the instances of Harvey Weinstein and how he got away with numerous sexual assaults over many years and wonder just how hard of a daily struggle those victims went through on whether to say something and never work in the movie industry again or keep quiet.  

I find Reade to be more credible than Blasey Ford because at the very least you can place both the accuser and the accused in the same place at the time.  I find it hard to believe anything Blasey Ford said and then take the position that Reade isn't credible.  None of this affects my voting decision though.  I am a firm believer in due process and the notion that we are innocent until proven guilty.  I just like the hypocrisy of people who said "believe women/victims" when the accused was Kavanaugh but now are changing their stance because it's Biden.  It doesn't change anything, but it really highlights the flaws and political motivations of the victim movements and people involved with them.         

My simplistic view is that they both needed to be heard - not believed. I feel both women have been given that opportunity.

I've paid very little attention to Reade because I frankly do not care. It will not change my vote. When I step into the voting booth (or place my ballot in the mail), my vote will be for the Democratic candidate. Period.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I thought 3 was a fair question. Her motivation was brought up repeatedly on here, but especially by the press, twitter blue check operatives, etc. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

4 was a tough choice.

I believe that Biden made Reade uncomfortable - and that Biden was in the wrong for doing so.  To that extent - I find her allegation credible.  I do not find her allegation of sexual assault credible - right now.  I do not think that kind of assault is a 1-time deal, and the absence of similar assault allegations from other women makes me disbelieve Reade - in addition to Reade's evolving story here.

With Ford - I find her story credible, but not enough to pin it on Kavanaugh specifically - i.e. something happened, not sure it was Kavanaugh.  My opposition to Kavanaugh was, and remains his temperament, which was on display during the hearings.  Its not the temperament that we should want on the Supreme Court. 

 

[Snotbubbles]

My simplistic view is that they both needed to be heard - not believed. I feel both women have been given that opportunity.

I've paid very little attention to Reade because I frankly do not care. It will not change my vote. When I step into the voting booth (or place my ballot in the mail), my vote will be for the Democratic candidate. Period.

Fair enough.  I just think the goalposts have shifted for Biden and I certainly don't think Reade's claims have been given the same opportunity that Blasey Ford got.  But I'm with you, the eventual outcome is not relevant to my voting preference. 

 

[Zow]

Question 3 is atrocious. 

 

[Zow]

4 was a tough choice.

I believe that Biden made Reade uncomfortable - and that Biden was in the wrong for doing so.  To that extent - I find her allegation credible.  I do not find her allegation of sexual assault credible - right now.  I do not think that kind of assault is a 1-time deal, and the absence of similar assault allegations from other women makes me disbelieve Reade - in addition to Reade's evolving story here.

With Ford - I find her story credible, but not enough to pin it on Kavanaugh specifically - i.e. something happened, not sure it was Kavanaugh.  My opposition to Kavanaugh was, and remains his temperament, which was on display during the hearings.  Its not the temperament that we should want on the Supreme Court. 

This is essentially my exact takes as well. I think both women are credible though the evidence doesn't rise to the level to meet most if not all legal burdens. Further, I find several of the accusations against Trump to be credible as well. 

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Need a don’t care option for 3 and 4

 

[zftcg]

Good to see there is some balance coming back to this forum.  The fact that more people have responded they will not vote for Biden is not something even imaginable six months back.  I am sure the topic does not interest some Biden supporters or they are offended, which drives some of the numbers in an unexpected start.

Yeah, I assume Biden opponents would be more likely to complete the poll. The real question is whether anyone will vote against Biden specifically because of the allegations.

And I too answered the last option on #3 but the truth is I don't know. I wouldn't say one can never question the motives of a woman alleging sexual assault, but I have no interest in doing so absent strong evidence that she's lying.

 

[huthut]

There is almost no chance that the president serving from 2020-2024 does NOT have credible sexual assault allegations against them. Sure, you can smugly post about how pure you are by voting 3rd party, but that does not change the fact that one of two likely harassers will be president. The primary was the chance to have a better candidate, and that did not happen, so here we are. I guess I am stuck voting for Biden because he is the likely harasser that I think will be better for America, rather than Trump, the other likely harasser who I think will be worse for America. 

 

[Joe Mammy]

Good to see there is some balance coming back to this forum.  The fact that more people have responded they will not vote for Biden is not something even imaginable six months back.  I am sure the topic does not interest some Biden supporters or they are offended, which drives some of the numbers in an unexpected start.

Do you have a poll from 6 months ago? Could it be that righties are the only ones voting?