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** Tarantino's Hateful Eight - Official thread ** (1 Viewer)
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Wingnut
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But thats his style now. For whatever reason he ditched the realism when it comes to violence/blood...I expect it now and it doesn't bother me at all. Would I like it if he went back to it like his early films? Absolutely, but it's apparent that he wont, so I just accept it. It doesn't distract me in any way.
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cstu
Footballguy
How can it not distract you when you're watching a very serious movie and people start puking up buckets of blood after being poisoned? It's like if during the ear scene in Reservoir Dogs gallons of blood started shooting out of the cop's ear after it was cut off. I'm a huge fan of his movies, but he turned this one into a joke because of that scene.
I never for a second watched this as a "very serious" movie and I don't think it was intended that way, either.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I guess I'm a film novice because I really don't get all the hype about the 70mm Super Panavision. Did the film look good? Sure. Did it blow me away visually? Not really. And all the talk about the incredible snowy landscapes during the first couple of chapters? Didn't seem all that noteworthy to me.
As for the film, it's pretty standard QT fare as far as what he's done the last few films. A touch masturbatory when it comes to the dialogue, but interesting nonetheless. And most of the set up scenes were all about creating tension. Sometimes it felt natural, and sometimes the tension felt manufactured. The characters were caricatures, which is par for the course. All in all, I found the film interesting, though far from captivating. I felt entertained, but in part I think it was because I thought I was supposed to feel entertained. At the end of the day, it was very much style over substance, but because I like the style I came away feeling generally positive about the film. I'll give it a B.
If you have to go out of your way to catch the 70mm version, my advice is don't bother.
As for the film, it's pretty standard QT fare as far as what he's done the last few films. A touch masturbatory when it comes to the dialogue, but interesting nonetheless. And most of the set up scenes were all about creating tension. Sometimes it felt natural, and sometimes the tension felt manufactured. The characters were caricatures, which is par for the course. All in all, I found the film interesting, though far from captivating. I felt entertained, but in part I think it was because I thought I was supposed to feel entertained. At the end of the day, it was very much style over substance, but because I like the style I came away feeling generally positive about the film. I'll give it a B.
If you have to go out of your way to catch the 70mm version, my advice is don't bother.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Wingnut
Footballguy
Its a QT movie. I expect some over the top. I loved the movie and when the puke scene happened I knew it was about to get crazy.
G
Guest
Guest
Not his best.
70mm lavish and wonderful. Everything before the Intermission pretty good and promising.
After the intermission, one dimensional, shlock, gore without the supporting story to substantiate.
Overall okay, very strong is spots, inconsistent and not very mature.
70mm lavish and wonderful. Everything before the Intermission pretty good and promising.
After the intermission, one dimensional, shlock, gore without the supporting story to substantiate.
Overall okay, very strong is spots, inconsistent and not very mature.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Releasing on 70mm would be like releasing a led Zeppelin reunion album on reel to reel or vinyl. It's more of a nod to the 70's than anything.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
I came here to ask about the 70 mm Roadshow version. I saw Baraka in 70 mm at the Cinerama Dome a few years ago and it was pretty spectacular. For decades, no one shot in it (though The Master was and came out around the same time, didn't see it). For some reason, I didn't know Interstellar was shot that way, and saw the regular version at the local theater.
The Hateful Eight is reportedly the first movie shot in Ultra Panavision in about a half century (Khartoum)
http://nerdist.com/the-hateful-eight-an-explainer-on-70mm-film/
Another article in praise of the 70 mm format
http://coolmaterial.com/feature/5-reasons-you-should-see-the-hateful-8-in-70mm/
* If True Romance was counted as a Tarantino film (didn't direct, but the money he made on the script helped finance Reservoir Dogs), where would it rank with the eight official titles - Kill Bill Parts 1 & 2 counted as one film?
I'm not even as big of a Tarantino fan as I used to be (though I think I've seen everything), but will probably have to see this "as the director intended". So to summarize the plot, pretty much a lot of f and n bombs, and people shooting each other in the face for 3 hours?
The Hateful Eight is reportedly the first movie shot in Ultra Panavision in about a half century (Khartoum)
http://nerdist.com/the-hateful-eight-an-explainer-on-70mm-film/
Another article in praise of the 70 mm format
http://coolmaterial.com/feature/5-reasons-you-should-see-the-hateful-8-in-70mm/
* If True Romance was counted as a Tarantino film (didn't direct, but the money he made on the script helped finance Reservoir Dogs), where would it rank with the eight official titles - Kill Bill Parts 1 & 2 counted as one film?
I'm not even as big of a Tarantino fan as I used to be (though I think I've seen everything), but will probably have to see this "as the director intended". So to summarize the plot, pretty much a lot of f and n bombs, and people shooting each other in the face for 3 hours?
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mr fancypants
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Chapter 4 starts with narration "About 15 minutes has passed since we last left our characters"...
Wingnut
Footballguy
Chapter 4 starts with narration "About 15 minutes has passed since we last left our characters"...
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
I agree with much of this, although, I have really liked or loved all his films and think he's had a pretty great filmography, up until this one---for many of the reasons you stated, especially the lack of his signature, sharp-witted dialogue. I don't mind his shift to over-the-top, cartoonish violence. I thought it worked well in KB, IB and DU as he maintained his wry sense of humor with the characters. I didn't get that in this film. The violence didn't bother me here either, although, the abuse that the JJL character endured approached misogynistic levels, especially given the lack of her back story---I would've much preferred a flash back telling her story and the hatred she had garnered warranting the abuse rather than the one we got for SLJ/Dern's son.
Sadly, I think this one was a swing and a miss--it's easily my least favorite QT film.
I'd rank them:
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill(s)
Django Unchained
Inglourious Basterds
Hateful 8
Haven't seen Deathproof/Grindhouse
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nice post but my thirst for these films is not being put out by any other directors so this guy hits a nerve.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
You have a thirst to hear the n-word in movies?
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Here is where I want to insert my film snobbery. Was well known that John Carpenter's The Thing was the big influence and something QT took a risk and tried to pay homage to. I highly encourage ANYONE that has not seen The Thing with Kurt Russell to try and watch this ASAP, all the things that people were flipping out about in The Hateful Eight can be seen where there inspiration came from. In fact The Thing is far gorier and grosser than anything QT does in this film.
QT has made an obvious switcharoo with almost a comedic like turn with the violence. I was laughing and laughing out loud hard, wife doing the same thing next to me when the blood started pouring about that cabin. I never took The Hateful Eight as a super serious movie...are any of QT's films really that serious? Pulp Fiction I will give you but most of his films have a big sense of humor attached to them including Pulp Fiction.
I understand why people get unsettled at that point in the film but I also think people are not being fair in allowing QT his right as a director to show us his art or craft. You are under no obligation to buy it. I just think he puts a superior product on the screen a good chunk of the time. And for the record, when we saw Jackie Brown back in 1997, the projector or whatever melted the film and we didn't even get to see the last 5-10 minutes of it but I still liked that film when I eventually was allowed to finish it. I thought Pam Grier and Robert Forrester were amazing. And I also felt actors like DeNiro and Fonda simply wanted to have a QT film on their resume and would have taken any role as long as they could work with him.
I'm thankful JLaw didn't get cast, she would have been a distraction IMO. Jennifer Jason Leigh deserves an Oscar nomination and I think somehow someway we are going to see her walk that stage and steal the gold. This film was not previewed much and many voters didn't even see it until released in theaters so the fact it didn't get much Golden Globe love is not surprising.
In a year where you are hard pressed to get excited about a lot of films and others like Mad Max are taking home best film already, this movie could still gain some traction. I also think watching a black man parade around a naked white man in the snow for a few hours before he...well you know if you saw the film...I think that is just a little too much for some folks, just keeping it real. And the funny thing is that is obviously a whipped up fantasy to get a reaction from our dear General.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am on a similar page and think this is Tarantino's 2nd worst movie, right above Death Proof.
A lot of it had to do with the feeling that this is damn near the same movie and feel that I got out of the last couple movies, just in a different setting. Really feels like he is spinning his wheels. Other observations that I think brought it down to a level of not really enjoying it at all:
- I don't think the performances were near what we saw in the last couple movies, and thought a couple were downright bad and distracting.
- There was no scene that stood out as being anywhere near as good as what we got at the start of IB or the basement scene of that movie. I guess confining the movie to a couple locations didn't work for me in this instance
- The stakes weren't nearly as high for the characters as they were in the last couple movies. Didn't care if none or all of these people died or what happened to them
- As cool as the songs and soundtracks were in his earlier movies, he seems to go the opposite direction in the last couple. It didn't happen much here, but cutting to a White Stripes song in the start of this movie bugged me, just like the modern music in Django did. Don't know why the movies set in current time to release featured nostalgic music but movies set in the past feature modern music. Don't know why it bugs me, either.
I guess I have long tired of Tarantino's passion for the old grindhouse/spaghetti western/b-movies that he apes in his films now. In IB he got a pass from me for the silly gore at the end of some of the shlocky #### throughout the movie because it had some of the best acting I have seen in his movies in Waltz and 4-5 truly spectacular scenes. Django I liked a lot less because it only had a couple scenes that reeled me in from the stuff I don't dig. Hateful Eight had none of that to reel me in. Like a couple posters have said, he needs someone to trim his movies down and the humor and gore in here seemed a bit more sophomoric than usual for him.
A lot of it had to do with the feeling that this is damn near the same movie and feel that I got out of the last couple movies, just in a different setting. Really feels like he is spinning his wheels. Other observations that I think brought it down to a level of not really enjoying it at all:
- I don't think the performances were near what we saw in the last couple movies, and thought a couple were downright bad and distracting.
- There was no scene that stood out as being anywhere near as good as what we got at the start of IB or the basement scene of that movie. I guess confining the movie to a couple locations didn't work for me in this instance
- The stakes weren't nearly as high for the characters as they were in the last couple movies. Didn't care if none or all of these people died or what happened to them
- As cool as the songs and soundtracks were in his earlier movies, he seems to go the opposite direction in the last couple. It didn't happen much here, but cutting to a White Stripes song in the start of this movie bugged me, just like the modern music in Django did. Don't know why the movies set in current time to release featured nostalgic music but movies set in the past feature modern music. Don't know why it bugs me, either.
I guess I have long tired of Tarantino's passion for the old grindhouse/spaghetti western/b-movies that he apes in his films now. In IB he got a pass from me for the silly gore at the end of some of the shlocky #### throughout the movie because it had some of the best acting I have seen in his movies in Waltz and 4-5 truly spectacular scenes. Django I liked a lot less because it only had a couple scenes that reeled me in from the stuff I don't dig. Hateful Eight had none of that to reel me in. Like a couple posters have said, he needs someone to trim his movies down and the humor and gore in here seemed a bit more sophomoric than usual for him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1. Pulp Fiction...I want to knock this one down a couple but never can. I still might reshuffle the top4 around.
2. Kill Bill...it ranks very high for me and every adversary in that film is top notch 100% Grade A Prime Bad Asssssssssssssssssssssss
3. Inglorious Basterds...For all the reasons most love it. QT won for Original Screenplay? 2nd time? Not many have that on their resumes
4.The Hateful Eight...wasn't sure where but it's way up there for me and totally stands on its own. This could move a notch or two higher for me. I really enjoyed the humor and I felt this was a total guy's film.
5. Reservoir Dogs...simple and you gotta love the way we learn about what QT will do on film, the ear cutting scene is brilliant
6. Jackie Brown...I like the story and I bought Pam Grier as a flight attendant and Forrester as the bail bondsman...hook, line and sinker.
7. Django Unchained...big commercial piece of pop if you really want to know how I feel about it now. It will pay for the next 3-4 films being greenlighted for QT no questions asked. IIRC this film grossed North of $150M, by far his most successful film. I'm not a Jaime Foxx fan and DiCaprio seemed out of place for me. I understood what he was trying to do but I'm not sure he pulled it off.
8. Death Proof...something has to be at the bottom and this was really part of a 2 B-Movie homage with Rich Rodriguez, this is like rating Four Rooms although I like Four Rooms a lot more. Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience. Still it has some great stunt work and certainly not terrible to watch.
2. Kill Bill...it ranks very high for me and every adversary in that film is top notch 100% Grade A Prime Bad Asssssssssssssssssssssss
3. Inglorious Basterds...For all the reasons most love it. QT won for Original Screenplay? 2nd time? Not many have that on their resumes
4.The Hateful Eight...wasn't sure where but it's way up there for me and totally stands on its own. This could move a notch or two higher for me. I really enjoyed the humor and I felt this was a total guy's film.
5. Reservoir Dogs...simple and you gotta love the way we learn about what QT will do on film, the ear cutting scene is brilliant
6. Jackie Brown...I like the story and I bought Pam Grier as a flight attendant and Forrester as the bail bondsman...hook, line and sinker.
7. Django Unchained...big commercial piece of pop if you really want to know how I feel about it now. It will pay for the next 3-4 films being greenlighted for QT no questions asked. IIRC this film grossed North of $150M, by far his most successful film. I'm not a Jaime Foxx fan and DiCaprio seemed out of place for me. I understood what he was trying to do but I'm not sure he pulled it off.
8. Death Proof...something has to be at the bottom and this was really part of a 2 B-Movie homage with Rich Rodriguez, this is like rating Four Rooms although I like Four Rooms a lot more. Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience. Still it has some great stunt work and certainly not terrible to watch.
Still being shown in 70mm?
I just got to where the intermission would be on the copy I shoplifted from the internet and I need to see that hot BJ scene in it's full intended glory. The snow, with the white guys nakedness juxtaposed over SLJ's BBC, has got to be breathtaking cinema.
I just got to where the intermission would be on the copy I shoplifted from the internet and I need to see that hot BJ scene in it's full intended glory. The snow, with the white guys nakedness juxtaposed over SLJ's BBC, has got to be breathtaking cinema.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Exactly Quez, there wasn't much to choose from and this film stood out to me. Mad Max also on my short list of great films this year. I haven't paid for 3D in several years, have hated the experience every time until...saw Mad Max. I'm a big fan of the the Road Warrior, the other 2 original Mad Max films are just OK for me.
The Hateful Eight...name a handful of films that combine cinematography, star power and quality acting(My opinion), original score/music, costumes and set pieces including a coffee pot that maybe should get a best supporting actor nomination.
Agree, glad you also liked it quite a bit. How anyone could feel like they got robbed of $10-$20 for the movie ticket is a little funky to me however I want to mention that Django opened the door to a larger fan base that might not truly love QT and what he does with film.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
In Ultra Panavision no less, SLJ really did have a big black hairy johnson.
As I posted earlier, the SLJ snow walking scene was just too much for some folks, sounds like you were one of them.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The fight scene with Patricia Arquette was an eye opener for me, I didn't know women could do that even on film in fantasyland. And I loved it!
Not sure you can inject that film into the rankings.
Quite the contrary. Best part in what has been a relative snoozefest. I generally don't like Westerns though.
bigbottom
Footballguy
She may indeed get the nod, but I thought her performance was pretty one dimensional.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
OK, I get that. Did you think she was one dimensional in the 2nd half of the film? I understand what you are saying but when Tatum pops up and we get one of those bloody events, it looked like she actually had him all in her hair, face, it was gnarly watching her try to act thru that stuff. I felt like you couldn't take you eyes off her even though she looks so hideous, she looked like something out of The Exorcist or a human version...hold on I just thought of something.
The Thing is the inspiration for part of Hateful Eight and when JJL is rolling around on the floor trying desperately to stay in the game chained down, kind of reminds me of the dog scene in Thing where the dog is overtaken and some pretty wicked special efx take shape...in Hateful Eight JJL accomplishes some of that without so much of the special efx. Maybe others didn't see that the same way. JJL didn't have to be talking all the time to get face time in the movie. She was interesting just chewing gum if that was what they wanted her to do.
I thought JJL had way more fun making that movie than just about everyone and she almost winks at the camera a couple times. I found her acting to be terrific.
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
JJL Oscar nod??? I must be the only one who thought her performance was mediocre at best. Also, I never thought all of her black eyes, bloody noses, bloody teeth, brain matter splattered hair looked real. I give an F to the make up team. I've seen chicks who have had their ### beat and they don't look anything like that.
If you want to see JJL at her best, see Miami Blues.
As far as Kurt Russel, the comparisons to The Thing are a stretch IMHO. His performance in The Thing was way better than H8. If I had to rank all of the actor's performances in H8 I felt his performance was the weakest of all the major roles except for possibly Michael Madsen. He was best in Captain Ron and fantastic in Gilligan's Island as the jungle boy.
If you want to see JJL at her best, see Miami Blues.
As far as Kurt Russel, the comparisons to The Thing are a stretch IMHO. His performance in The Thing was way better than H8. If I had to rank all of the actor's performances in H8 I felt his performance was the weakest of all the major roles except for possibly Michael Madsen. He was best in Captain Ron and fantastic in Gilligan's Island as the jungle boy.
Todem
Footballguy
He had made several films better than Pulp Fiction. I am going tomsee this one soon.My absolute favs from him will always be:
Inglorious Bastards
Reservoir Dogs
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Joe Mammy
Footballguy
So you've been driving a stage coach across a frozen wilderness on a snowy trail for days. You have to face the wintry elements all day long while commanding an eight horse team. No problem for such a tough guy.
But do a 50 yard jaunt to the outhouse from a warm haberdashery, toss some gun parts in the crapper, walk back and suddenly you must wrap yourself in a bear skin and lie in front of the fire like a teeth chattering #####...really?
But do a 50 yard jaunt to the outhouse from a warm haberdashery, toss some gun parts in the crapper, walk back and suddenly you must wrap yourself in a bear skin and lie in front of the fire like a teeth chattering #####...really?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
i think I would have it:
R. Dogs
Jackie Brown
Pulp Fiction
I.Basterds
Kill Bill
Django
Hateful Eight
Death Proof
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
There was 0% chance that Jennifer Lawrence was going to end up in that movie.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
If any actor from this film wins an Oscar for their performance, I'm going to be more disappointed than ever in the Academy, and that's saying a lot. Frankly, if any of them is nominated it will be shorting some other great deserving performances.
I love almost every other Tarantino movie and he's directed actors who deserved award recognition in the past. Not in this one.
cstu
Footballguy
Personally, I don't look at Deathproof as a movie. It's really two 1 hour long TV episodes since there are two very different stories told. Longer versions of Four Rooms' "The Man From Hollywood".
Even if I do treat Deathproof as a movie, it's better than Django. It's obvious to me than he misses Sally Menke, his editor who died after IG. Both Django and H8 suffered from Quentin not having someone to rein in his over the top tendencies.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I think you guys have become spoiled. The characters and long dialog are what make QT movies. He's the only guy making these and while they don't all hit- they are better then 90% of what's out there.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nice post, would like to respond.
JJL-we just see it different. From the minute she was introduced I found her to be quite compelling.
Kurt Russell: I watched The Thing the other night On Demand-free and I would agree with you but Russell also was 35 years younger but he does carry that film well and it paved the way for some of his 80s action films although he didn't go crazy making those movies the way others did.
For sure, his acting performance in The Thing is top notch but i also feel his acting is very good here as well. I was not excited by his plight but once that happened I figured no one was getting out alive.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
I agree.
I didn't hate the Hateful 8. I just think it's his worst film by a significant margin. It is better than much of the dreck that's being released.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I only agree with 50%. I think it's one of his worst by a bit, but I don't think it's a better movie than other stuff that has been nominated for awards in the last couple years (haven't seen a lot from this year). Sure, if you are comparing it to a lot of dreck from the summer, but overall no.
To Steady's comment. I would say it is Tarantino that spoiled me - or at least teased me with what he is capable of. The 3 or 4 scenes people talk about in Basterds is some of the best I have seen in a movie in quite a bit. We know what he can do. I just don't think this movie comes anywhere close to reproducing that. I think his characters are usually pretty similar - does SLJ really play that different of a person in every movie? What I loved about QT's movies was the sharp, well written dialogue and his ability to get great performances out of seemingly unknown actors. I think this movie whiffed on both fronts. I give him props for effort, and some of the stuff looked great, but IMO that is not his best work and combining that with what I found to be subpar dialogue and acting, and this movie is average at best.
Didn't his long time editing collaborator die several years ago? Not sure during what movie, but I do wonder how much not having her to reign him in has hurt him. I think with each of the last few films he they have felt more and more bloated and unfocused.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think the only performance I really liked was Bruce Dern, but he wasn't given much to do. JJL was like Bruce Campbell in Evil Dead. Not sure if you would qualify it as "good" but it was fun to watch her act through the abuse and gore thrown at her. SLJ was doing his usual thing, and Russell was Ok. A few others I found distractingly bad - namely Roth.
Statorama
Footballguy
Agree with this. QT has always been indulgent, but the last two have been an orgy of unfocused excess. QT strikes me as someone that doesn't take criticism well ("hey man, FU that scene was great and every second of it was totally necessary")
He's a money fountain for the Weinsteins, so there's no way they were going to tell him what to do as long as he came in on or under budget (splitting Kill Bill into two movies being the only notable exception)
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Good info. I could slide Django down one more, glad some others also didn't love it. It was fun, audience was eating it up when we saw it. I have to say for such a large audience when we saw 8, not as many people were laughing like we were. I would say 10-12 of us in the audience were laughing really hard during SLJ speech, the blood, guess wife and I have very dark senses of humor. I never take QT for more than it is, a fictional movie. But he makes it look real because he don't use a lot of special efx and green/blue screens to set up his films.
If you take anything away from QT films it is that he loves to make real movies with real people and real dialogue. You might not hear those things said all the time but it also depends on what walks of life you hang out in/with.
Statorama
Footballguy
That role was screaming for Christoph Waltz. I'm wondering if that's who he wrote it for.
Hated Roth since Mr. Orange. He's no bueno.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Wow, I think I'm biased because I got to sit next to him at the Hollywood Bowl one night and we discussed his films a bit. He is one of the nicest actors I've met, you would hire this guy just because he seems easy to work with.
I like his work, don't think Waltz would have changed the character much. QT will cast Waltz again I'm sure. I just felt like Madsen and Roth while not asked to do much were great with what they were asked. And they get paid and I like their acting so I'm fine with it. They don't pop up in a lot of movies so I'm happy to watch them.