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Tarvaris Jackson (1 Viewer)

I'll add:

Rosenfels

Lemon

Huard

(insert TB B/U QB here)

....if i needed to win one game, I would start any of the above over TJackson. That being said, however, if I am starting week 1 with one guy and know that my team has only marginal talent that likely won't sniff a playoff opportunity, but need to develop a QB...well, under those circumstances, I choose TJackson and see what I've got at the end of 16 games.

 
Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
I have to think that if (disregarding salaries) you offered Childress Losman in exchange for Jackson, he would be more than happy to pull the trigger, no?
I would be more than happy to have Losman on the roster, but see him as a backup to Jackson, rather than the starter. The flashes of ability that he showed last year are what I was impressed with. If he can put it together and have the game slow down for him, plus having better wideouts should add up to a better season.
 
Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
I have to think that if (disregarding salaries) you offered Childress Losman in exchange for Jackson, he would be more than happy to pull the trigger, no?
I would be more than happy to have Losman on the roster, but see him as a backup to Jackson, rather than the starter. The flashes of ability that he showed last year are what I was impressed with. If he can put it together and have the game slow down for him, plus having better wideouts should add up to a better season.
I understand guys dropped balls on Jackson, which can kill drives and confidence. But as much as Berrian is an upgrade and Rice should continue to improve...the game better slow down A LOT for Jackson in order for him to take advantage of the improvements. I am skeptical, but very curious.
 
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Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
I have to think that if (disregarding salaries) you offered Childress Losman in exchange for Jackson, he would be more than happy to pull the trigger, no?
I would be more than happy to have Losman on the roster, but see him as a backup to Jackson, rather than the starter. The flashes of ability that he showed last year are what I was impressed with. If he can put it together and have the game slow down for him, plus having better wideouts should add up to a better season.
I understand guys dropped balls on Jackson, which can kill drives and confidence. But as much as Berrian is an upgrade and Rice should continue to improve...the game better slow down A LOT for Jackson in order for him to take advantage of the improvements. I am skeptical, but very curious.
:unsure:
 
Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
Wow. Jackson couldn't carry the jock of any of these guys based on what he's accomplished in the NFL to date. Losman I'll grant you is close, but I see him more ready to play right now, IMHO.
Culpepper, seriously...what has that guy done since leaving Minnesota? Volek has proven he is a solid backup and thats is...Losman sucks...maybe Warner, but no one is going to build a team around an old man...Come on...?

 
I like Tarvaris Jackson a lot. People are writing him off way too early.

When you look at a QB like Josh Johnson or maybe even Joe Flacco in the draft people say he projects as a project and will need some time to learn. Well that's the type of prospect Tarvaris was. However, he was on a team that didn't have any better options at QB after BJ's arm deterioated. Tarvaris should probably just now be starting, but instead he has some experience under his belt. He also has the deepest RB core in the NFL to keep defenses honest in addition to a new weapon at WR that happens to suit his strengths perfectly. Everything that I can see points in the direction of a breakout season and I think by the end of the year he'll be owned in most leagues.

 
Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
I have to think that if (disregarding salaries) you offered Childress Losman in exchange for Jackson, he would be more than happy to pull the trigger, no?
No, I don't think Childress would trade Jackson for Losman. Last season many people were calling for Carr in Minnesota. Carr started all 16 games in 2006 and completed 68.3% of his passes. Childress went on the record as saying that Carr had an strange delivery and basically wanted nothing to do with him. He was correct.

Losman doesn't strike me as the type of west coast QB that Childress desires.

 
TJ will be a huge value play this year.
I have snagged TJax in all of my dynasty leagues (3 so far) for peanuts... throws ins. For the $$ I have been paying; you can't go wrong. As for other QBs that Minny could attempt to aquire that could push or Bench him.Penny (hes really the starter in NYJ; if hes stays... he will beat out Kellen).Sage... but Hou isn't going to trade him, not until Schaub makes the leap.Quinn, would be interesting what the Browns asking $$ is for him. I'm sure its something like a 1st and 3rd.Cpep would be interesting... ever since leaving Minny; hes been on bad teams with bad O-Lines. I think hes finished, he'll get a job somewhere.
 
Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
Wow. Jackson couldn't carry the jock of any of these guys based on what he's accomplished in the NFL to date. Losman I'll grant you is close, but I see him more ready to play right now, IMHO.
Culpepper, seriously...what has that guy done since leaving Minnesota? Volek has proven he is a solid backup and thats is...Losman sucks...maybe Warner, but no one is going to build a team around an old man...Come on...?
LOL if you think Tarvaris Jackson at this stage of his career is a more capable QB than Culpepper could be in the right situation. How in the world can you judge Culpepper playing for Miami and Oakland. The same way you judge Randy Moss playing for Oakland? Lastly, this is not about 'building a team around' a QB, the question was which backups would/should start over TJax.
 
This is too funny. I made it to post #2 and started laughing.

Pennington = Brad Johnson. No thanks.

Culpepper is done. Forget it.

I wouldn't bring in any backup to start ahead of TJ.

 
Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper
Wow. Jackson couldn't carry the jock of any of these guys based on what he's accomplished in the NFL to date. Losman I'll grant you is close, but I see him more ready to play right now, IMHO.
Culpepper, seriously...what has that guy done since leaving Minnesota? Volek has proven he is a solid backup and thats is...Losman sucks...maybe Warner, but no one is going to build a team around an old man...Come on...?
LOL if you think Tarvaris Jackson at this stage of his career is a more capable QB than Culpepper could be in the right situation. How in the world can you judge Culpepper playing for Miami and Oakland. The same way you judge Randy Moss playing for Oakland? Lastly, this is not about 'building a team around' a QB, the question was which backups would/should start over TJax.
The original question was simply who would start over Jackson given a full camp, and the answer is none of them. Childress has hitched is train to Jackson and until Jackson has a season of regression, no one is going to take his job.In order for this to be a valid question, you'd also have to hypothesize that Childress is no longer the coach and there is open competition for the job. Maybe that was implied in the original question, and I missed it, but the reality is, no current backup would be taking Jackson's job.

 
jestertj said:
This is too funny. I made it to post #2 and started laughing.

Pennington = Brad Johnson. No thanks.

Culpepper is done. Forget it.

I wouldn't bring in any backup to start ahead of TJ.
This was kind of my original point. People were KILLING Jackson last year on this board, but how about giving the kid a fair shot? It's not as if a young Brett Farve is out there sitting on someone's bench, like when Green Bay traded for him. As an aside, I was in the mood for a good argument. Just after I started this thread, my wifi went down. :unsure:

 
It's easier to name the backups that couldn't start ahead of Jackson since there is only 1.

David Carr. :lmao:

 
There isn't a single backup in the league that I'd pick to start ahead of Jackson.
yeah, right. Sage Rosenfels. That was too easy. Oh, Brady Quinn. I could keep going if you like.
No and no. And I like Brady Quinn.
That just awful. Jackson is totally clueless. Not since Carr's ineptitude have I seen a QB so totally useless. This guy won't last the season as the starter. If they didn't have that running game, he would have been flat out cut for suckage. He is the worst starter in the league. I'd take Leinart or Warner too, whichever is backup.
 
I need a QB to pair with Manning for the upcoming season in our 14 team dynasty league (that's 4 starters available at least). Jackson is obviously out there for the taking, since he and McNair are the worst starters. He's not even on my draft list. I mean his name is not worth the ink on the paper. :confused:

 
Packer fans have gotten really obnoxious (I mean even moreso than before) ever since Favre retired.

Have a beer and relax, fellas.

 
I can't believe how clueless so many people are. TJax isn't a good QB yet, but he's shown flashes of greatness. He nearly singlehandedly brought Minnesota back against Denver in the final game(probably would have if Troy Williamson had glued some velcro to his chest). That was a game when Minny's running game was going nowhere.

Some of these responses: Cleo Lemon? Really? The same Cleo Lemon that couldn't beat out John Beck for a job? Culpepper? His days are done, sorry to say. Same with Pennington. Couldn't take the chance that his shoulder would continue getting worse.

In my mind, there are two backups who would start over TJax and one that might.

Kurt Warner. He still has the gun and has enough understanding of the game. Clearly better than TJax, but is old and wouldn't be a viable franchise QB.

Billy Volek. Has shown great poise when he's gotten playing time. Would be an upgrade as of now, but TJax has more raw talent than Volek ever will.

Maybe.

Sage Rosenfels. Was good last year in fill in duty, but since the Texans felt they needed to trade for Shaub when they still had him on the roster I doubt his overall talent.

I haven't been a huge fan of TJax ever since I said "Who?" when they drafted him. However, I feel that he has the talent to become a great QB. I wouldn't take any so-so player over him because a mediocre backup will never be more than mediocre.

 
I wouldn't take any so-so player over him because a mediocre backup will never be more than mediocre.
This is exactly my line of thinking. I'm pretty sure that Sage Rosenfels isn't going to go more than 8-8 or 9-7. There's a chance that TJax can go 10-6 or better, but also a chance he can go 4-12. I'd rather roll the dice at a chance at 10-6 or better.Long term, I'd prefer Quinn over TJax, but that's not the question.
 
There isn't a single backup in the league that I'd pick to start ahead of Jackson.
yeah, right. Sage Rosenfels. That was too easy. Oh, Brady Quinn. I could keep going if you like.
You're the guy I've been waiting for.Any chance you saw any Vikings games last year other than the two against Green Bay?
Yep. I see every game of every team since I have the NFL Ticket with the short cuts on Tues. & Wed. night. I see everything, including the multiple T. Jackson 'jump passes'. You know the ones, where he is under pressure and he totally panics. Instead of throwing it away or seeing the pressure, he runs right into the arms of the defender and jumps up, throwing the ball up for grabs. I've never seen anything quite like it since Carr was sucking the same way in Houston. Of course his move was the 'fetal roll up'. He will not be the QB for the whole season in Minn if the y want to compete.
 
I can't believe how clueless so many people are. TJax isn't a good QB yet, but he's shown flashes of greatness. He nearly singlehandedly brought Minnesota back against Denver in the final game(probably would have if Troy Williamson had glued some velcro to his chest). That was a game when Minny's running game was going nowhere.

Some of these responses: Cleo Lemon? Really? The same Cleo Lemon that couldn't beat out John Beck for a job? Culpepper? His days are done, sorry to say. Same with Pennington. Couldn't take the chance that his shoulder would continue getting worse.

In my mind, there are two backups who would start over TJax and one that might.

Kurt Warner. He still has the gun and has enough understanding of the game. Clearly better than TJax, but is old and wouldn't be a viable franchise QB.

Billy Volek. Has shown great poise when he's gotten playing time. Would be an upgrade as of now, but TJax has more raw talent than Volek ever will.

Maybe.

Sage Rosenfels. Was good last year in fill in duty, but since the Texans felt they needed to trade for Shaub when they still had him on the roster I doubt his overall talent.

I haven't been a huge fan of TJax ever since I said "Who?" when they drafted him. However, I feel that he has the talent to become a great QB. I wouldn't take any so-so player over him because a mediocre backup will never be more than mediocre.
Excellent post.Jackson struggled early in the year, no question. But he was absolutely sticking the staple of the West Coast passing game - the quick slant - later in the year. He was finally placing the rock right bewteen the numbers. You could see the lightbulb come on for him once he felt comfortable in the offense. He has already been an effective runner, and that's with thinking too much instead of just reacting. The more he plays, the more deadly he'll be running the ball, especially when defenses are busy with Berrian, Rice and the nasty ground game.

 
Packer fans have gotten really obnoxious (I mean even moreso than before) ever since Favre retired.Have a beer and relax, fellas.
I'm a fan of no team. Only the players of my mighty FFL team. I did however enjoy the beatdown of the Pats by my new starter Eli Manning, (who also has issues of which I have addressed with him this offseason).
 
Jackson's success is completely dependent on Childress.

If Chili allows him to play rather than overthink every play, I think he'll be pretty good. I'm hoping for more of the same of what we saw in the last two games of the year last year.

 
There isn't a single backup in the league that I'd pick to start ahead of Jackson.
yeah, right. Sage Rosenfels. That was too easy. Oh, Brady Quinn. I could keep going if you like.
You're the guy I've been waiting for.Any chance you saw any Vikings games last year other than the two against Green Bay?
Yep. I see every game of every team since I have the NFL Ticket with the short cuts on Tues. & Wed. night. I see everything, including the multiple T. Jackson 'jump passes'. You know the ones, where he is under pressure and he totally panics. Instead of throwing it away or seeing the pressure, he runs right into the arms of the defender and jumps up, throwing the ball up for grabs. I've never seen anything quite like it since Carr was sucking the same way in Houston. Of course his move was the 'fetal roll up'. He will not be the QB for the whole season in Minn if they want to compete.
So to be clear, you give Jackson no chance to be an effective QB this year, correct?
 
Bull Dozier said:
The original question was simply who would start over Jackson given a full camp, and the answer is none of them. Childress has hitched is train to Jackson and until Jackson has a season of regression, no one is going to take his job.
Actually, that was not the question. If you are going to carve into the question "Who would CHILDRESS start over TJ" then there is no point in even asking the question. The question should be thought of, IMHO, as "Assuming an unbiased coaching staff... ."
 
Bull Dozier said:
The original question was simply who would start over Jackson given a full camp, and the answer is none of them. Childress has hitched is train to Jackson and until Jackson has a season of regression, no one is going to take his job.
Actually, that was not the question. If you are going to carve into the question "Who would CHILDRESS start over TJ" then there is no point in even asking the question. The question should be thought of, IMHO, as "Assuming an unbiased coaching staff... ."
Let's go with that premise.
 
So to be clear, you give Jackson no chance to be an effective QB this year, correct?
Absolutely. None. He will be at the bottom of the FFL barrel of QB's. He will stink. The only hope he has of staying the QB is if Peterson/Taylor can keep him there with their abilities. He will not put up big FFL numbers EVER and that is all I look at. I could care less if he can manage a game, not that he can but who couldn't with Peterson behind ya.
 
So to be clear, you give Jackson no chance to be an effective QB this year, correct?
Absolutely. None. He will be at the bottom of the FFL barrel of QB's. He will stink. The only hope he has of staying the QB is if Peterson/Taylor can keep him there with their abilities. He will not put up big FFL numbers EVER and that is all I look at. I could care less if he can manage a game, not that he can but who couldn't with Peterson behind ya.
The question wasn't about his Fantasy Football potential.
 
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Packer fans have gotten really obnoxious (I mean even moreso than before) ever since Favre retired.

Have a beer and relax, fellas.
I'm a fan of no team. Only the players of my mighty FFL team.
If your FF team is indeed "mighty"... I submit that it's quite by accident.A true shark would never completely discount any starting QB, especially one with Jackson's potential.
Nope it's thru analysis of film and the combine tapings, now that it is readily available. That is how I determined Laurent Robinson is far better than guys taken in the 1st-2nd round not named Calvin Johnson and possible Bowe.I've railed on David Carr since the 3 year and he still sucked. I was right even after years of people claiming it was EVERYTHING but Carr's fault. I am damn sure I know what I'm talking about. I'm right about this guy. I would not want a WR on this team, the same way I never had an interest in a WR on ATL until Vick was removed.

 

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