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Tatum Bell is the No.3 RB listed on the cheatsheet (1 Viewer)

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I was stunned when I went on my lunch break today and rolled by the news stand. I don't pick up too many mags but I like to see what some have to say...I have read the FF Index whether I buy it or not for the past 10 years it seems. They have Tatum Bell listed as no.3 on their cheatsheet. I read the blurb they put in there and I have to say if history is any indication than yes he should do well...I just can't see taking him in the 1st round but now if you are at then of the 1st round you can or should be able to grab this guy without much problem. Is he really worth a 2.01 pick...or higher?I know there have been a lot of these threads so let's try to keep the bunk hype to a minimum...however that said, is this the RB we are looking for? Would a Tiki/Jamal/Ahman/Julius...one of those and a T.Bell pick on the turn of the 1st/2nd be such a bad thing?

 
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I was stunned when I went on my lunch break today and rolled by the news stand. I don't pick up too many mags but I like to see what some have to say...I have read the FF Index whether I buy it or not for the past 10 years it seems. They have Tatum Bell listed as no.3 on their cheatsheet. I read the blurb they put in there and I have to say if history is any indication than yes he should do well...I just can't see taking him in the 1st round but now if you are at then of the 1st round you can or should be able to grab this guy without much problem. Is he really worth a 2.01 pick...or higher?

I know there have been a lot of these threads so let's try to keep the bunk hype to a minimum...however that said, is this the RB we are looking for? Would a Tiki/Jamal/Ahman/Julius...one of those and a T.Bell pick on the turn of the 1st/2nd be such a bad thing?
The Bell hype machine is gonna push this guy into the top ten in most rankings by the time the season gets here. Personally, I would want a more proven back in the first round. A rb that I felt I "knew what to expect", with Bell not having played a full season yet, I'd be too scared to mortgage my season on him. That said, if I wanted him that bad, I could see using a 2nd rd pick on him, and then comin back with another rb in the 3rd for some insurance. :2cents:

 
B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.

 
B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
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B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
Shows what you know. There are no hookers on 42nd street anymore. That's so 1980.A Bell/Clarett handcuff is fantasy gold, for this year and in dynasty leagues. Well worth the ADP.

 
B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
Shows what you know. There are no hookers on 42nd street anymore. That's so 1980.A Bell/Clarett handcuff is fantasy gold, for this year and in dynasty leagues. Well worth the ADP.
What about Anderson? Or Griff for that matter?
 
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Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

 
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B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
Shows what you know. There are no hookers on 42nd street anymore. That's so 1980.A Bell/Clarett handcuff is fantasy gold, for this year and in dynasty leagues. Well worth the ADP.
If you think there aren't any hookers on 42nd street, yer not looking very hard! At the risk of self incrimination, I have no more to say on this particular aspect on my analogy! The very fact that you would want to handcuff Clarett proves my point. Better handcuff Griff, Anderson and maybe even Dayne while yer at it!

 
If you think there aren't any hookers on 42nd street, yer not looking very hard! At the risk of self incrimination, I have no more to say on this particular aspect on my analogy!
The other dude's right, 42nd Street is has not been a good place to find a hooker for many years now. Now, 14th Street between 8th and 9th Aves--that's a good place to solicit your basic tranny hooker.PS: I have nothing of fantasy football value to add to this discussion. Thank you.
 
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Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.
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B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
Shows what you know. There are no hookers on 42nd street anymore. That's so 1980.A Bell/Clarett handcuff is fantasy gold, for this year and in dynasty leagues. Well worth the ADP.
What about Anderson? Or Griff for that matter?
The new trend in fantasy football...the RB daisy chain. Heck, 'cuff 'em all... :rolleyes:

 
B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
Shows what you know. There are no hookers on 42nd street anymore. That's so 1980.A Bell/Clarett handcuff is fantasy gold, for this year and in dynasty leagues. Well worth the ADP.
What about Anderson? Or Griff for that matter?
Well, if you feel like wasting two picks, sure, take them too.
 
I remember watching him in action late last year wearing Portis' #26 and thinking, wow who is that guy? He looked good.However, late first IMO is too risky for a guy who couldn't stay healthy his rookie year and has competition/time splitting risk with two legit guys in Anderson & Q, not to mention a Mo Clarett who if Denver is out of contention (or even if they are), could be getting some reps during fantasy playoffs.But I don't think anyone would argue Bell is classic Boom or Bust player. Maybe THE Boom or Bust guy of 2005.

 
I wonder if bell will do as well as their #3 wr last season....santana moss. Oh yeah and they had rod smith rated #4.....needless to say 2004 will be the last time I buy their fine magazine

 
Isn't the consensus that FBG and FF Index are the "trusted" mags of choice by Shark Poolers?
The reason I buy FF Index every year is their game logs. On the team page for each team, they have every player of interest on each team in a chart that shows you how each one did in each game of the season. It's gold when you're trying to find and understand trends, like that Bennett was much better with Volek than McNair, or that Trent Green had to carry the load once Priest got hurt.

 
Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!

 
Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!
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Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!
how'd Q Griffin work out for you last year?hope he helped you win your league. :thumbup:

 
Top Ten Reasons I don't like Tatum Bell this year:

1) He rushed for 396 yards and 3 TDs last year,

2) He caught just 5 balls in 9 games.

3) Bell's only 100 yard game came against a Miami team that had completely given up. Tatum Bell (123 yards), Corey Dillon (121 yards), Lee Suggs (143 yards), and Jamal Lewis (167 yards) all blew up on Miami at the end of last year.

4) He rushed for a total of an average of 62 yards and 0 TDs in back to back games against KC, Tennessee and Indy. Have fun deciding what his good matchups are.

5) He's played exactly 0 injury free games in the NFL.

6) Shanahan has shown that he will start any of his backs until one shows to be the best. We can only speculate on whether he thinks Bell has done that, but with Anderson taking reps with the first team, Clarett drafted in the third round, and Griffin coming back from an injury and saying he wants to compete to earn "his" job back, it doesn't seem like a sure thing.

7) Shanahan has shown that he will pull any of his backs if they get injured and replace them with another.

8) Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach who put that running system in place, left two years ago. That means George Foster, who was a rookie in Gibbs last year and is not a prototypical Denver lineman, and whoever they play at right guard, are no longer part of that "great O line", while Nalen is ancient. We're starting to see enough turnover to be able to see how much of the success of the Denver running backs has been Gibbs and how much was Shanahan.

9) Denver rushed for 300 fewer yards as a team last year than they did in Gibbs' last year with the team. Meanwhile, the Falcons rushed for 700 more yards as a team in Gibbs' first year with the team, although a healthy Vick certainly accounts for a large part of that.

10) This is a free tip for those of you saying he's worth a #3 pick or a late first rounder: If you see page after page of arguments about why your first round pick will or won't be a complete bust, DON'T TAKE HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND.

 
Isn't the consensus that FBG and FF Index are the "trusted" mags of choice by Shark Poolers?
The reason I buy FF Index every year is their game logs. On the team page for each team, they have every player of interest on each team in a chart that shows you how each one did in each game of the season. It's gold when you're trying to find and understand trends, like that Bennett was much better with Volek than McNair, or that Trent Green had to carry the load once Priest got hurt.
I think PFW has a better format for their game logs. They dont just list players of interest, they list stats for EVERY offensive player. Its the only mag I buy every year.
 
Top Ten Reasons I don't like Tatum Bell this year:

1) He rushed for 396 yards and 3 TDs last year,

2) He caught just 5 balls in 9 games.

3) Bell's only 100 yard game came against a Miami team that had completely given up. Tatum Bell (123 yards), Corey Dillon (121 yards), Lee Suggs (143 yards), and Jamal Lewis (167 yards) all blew up on Miami at the end of last year.

4) He rushed for a total of an average of 62 yards and 0 TDs in back to back games against KC, Tennessee and Indy. Have fun deciding what his good matchups are.

5) He's played exactly 0 injury free games in the NFL.

6) Shanahan has shown that he will start any of his backs until one shows to be the best. We can only speculate on whether he thinks Bell has done that, but with Anderson taking reps with the first team, Clarett drafted in the third round, and Griffin coming back from an injury and saying he wants to compete to earn "his" job back, it doesn't seem like a sure thing.

7) Shanahan has shown that he will pull any of his backs if they get injured and replace them with another.

8) Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach who put that running system in place, left two years ago. That means George Foster, who was a rookie in Gibbs last year and is not a prototypical Denver lineman, and whoever they play at right guard, are no longer part of that "great O line", while Nalen is ancient. We're starting to see enough turnover to be able to see how much of the success of the Denver running backs has been Gibbs and how much was Shanahan.

9) Denver rushed for 300 fewer yards as a team last year than they did in Gibbs' last year with the team. Meanwhile, the Falcons rushed for 700 more yards as a team in Gibbs' first year with the team, although a healthy Vick certainly accounts for a large part of that.

10) This is a free tip for those of you saying he's worth a #3 pick or a late first rounder: If you see page after page of arguments about why your first round pick will or won't be a complete bust, DON'T TAKE HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND.
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Top Ten Reasons I don't like Tatum Bell this year:

1) He rushed for 396 yards and 3 TDs last year,

2) He caught just 5 balls in 9 games.

3) Bell's only 100 yard game came against a Miami team that had completely given up. Tatum Bell (123 yards), Corey Dillon (121 yards), Lee Suggs (143 yards), and Jamal Lewis (167 yards) all blew up on Miami at the end of last year.

4) He rushed for a total of an average of 62 yards and 0 TDs in back to back games against KC, Tennessee and Indy. Have fun deciding what his good matchups are.

5) He's played exactly 0 injury free games in the NFL.

6) Shanahan has shown that he will start any of his backs until one shows to be the best. We can only speculate on whether he thinks Bell has done that, but with Anderson taking reps with the first team, Clarett drafted in the third round, and Griffin coming back from an injury and saying he wants to compete to earn "his" job back, it doesn't seem like a sure thing.

7) Shanahan has shown that he will pull any of his backs if they get injured and replace them with another.

8) Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach who put that running system in place, left two years ago. That means George Foster, who was a rookie in Gibbs last year and is not a prototypical Denver lineman, and whoever they play at right guard, are no longer part of that "great O line", while Nalen is ancient. We're starting to see enough turnover to be able to see how much of the success of the Denver running backs has been Gibbs and how much was Shanahan.

9) Denver rushed for 300 fewer yards as a team last year than they did in Gibbs' last year with the team. Meanwhile, the Falcons rushed for 700 more yards as a team in Gibbs' first year with the team, although a healthy Vick certainly accounts for a large part of that.

10) This is a free tip for those of you saying he's worth a #3 pick or a late first rounder: If you see page after page of arguments about why your first round pick will or won't be a complete bust, DON'T TAKE HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND.
Definitely agree with not taking him in the 1st round. A few points though... although Bell only rushed for an avg of 62 yards in the games vs. KC, Tenn and Indy he also only averaged 12 carries in those games for a 5 YPC avg. He was also playing with a very painful separated shoulder these games where it was doubtful that he would even play. Shanny gave him props for playing through the pain which should serve him well this year. Also, for the year he avg'd 5.3 ypc compared to 3.7 for Griffin and 4.5 for Droughns. The reason why Shanny kept giving his shots despite his ailments is that he is/was their most talented back. Recent history has shown us (last year included) that the #1 rb on the broncos is stud and while drafting him is not risk free there is certainly a huge reward if he works out.

 
Recent history has shown us (last year included) that the #1 rb on the broncos is stud and while drafting him is not risk free there is certainly a huge reward if he works out.
Recent history had Alex Gibbs coaching their offensive line. I wouldn't assume that another O line coach will have the same success. Who was the stud RB in Denver last year by the way?

 
Recent history has shown us (last year included) that the #1 rb on the broncos is stud and while drafting him is not risk free there is certainly a huge reward if he works out.
Recent history had Alex Gibbs coaching their offensive line. I wouldn't assume that another O line coach will have the same success. Who was the stud RB in Denver last year by the way?
Recent history has also shown us that the project RB1 in Den has rarely finished as such.
 
Recent history has shown us (last year included) that the #1 rb on the broncos is stud and while drafting him is not risk free there is certainly a huge reward if he works out.
Recent history had Alex Gibbs coaching their offensive line. I wouldn't assume that another O line coach will have the same success. Who was the stud RB in Denver last year by the way?
Griffin started with a 156 yard - 2 td effort and I'd say that Droughns while he was the starter would have definitely been considered a stud back...30-193-0

38-176-1

24-110-0

15-49

29-120-0

28-166-1

28-102-1

I'll take 916 yards over a 7 week period from a waive wire starter. The guy is a below average NFL back that was cut from the Lions a year or so ago. He then got hurt and ended up splitting time with the more talented Bell the rest of the year.

You cite that Gibbs has left and while that may affect them long term they still finished 4th overall in the NFL in rushing yards. And that was with two backs (Griffin/Droughns) that are not very talented (which is probably the main reason for the yardage dropoff). There's no doubt that their RB situation was a mess and played by committee most of the year but to finish 4th in the NFL is nothing to dismiss.

It's my opinion from watching the games last year, reading interviews with the staff/team that Bell will be the starter in Denver. I don't know about you but I definitely would like to have the starter on the 4th best rushing team in the NFL and it's worth taking some risk to acquire that back.

 
Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!
how'd Q Griffin work out for you last year?hope he helped you win your league. :thumbup:
Funny you should bring it up...Last year I drafted... Tatum Bell.

That's called foresight, mofo's. While people were falling all over themselves for Chris Perry, Greg Jones and Quentin Griffin, I took Bell and sat on him for a year.

 
Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!
how'd Q Griffin work out for you last year?hope he helped you win your league. :thumbup:
Funny you should bring it up...Last year I drafted... Tatum Bell.

That's called foresight, mofo's. While people were falling all over themselves for Chris Perry, Greg Jones and Quentin Griffin, I took Bell and sat on him for a year.
congrats. :rolleyes: fyi - bell hasn't done anything yet...

and you'll refrain from the use of 'mofo's' in your replies to me or you'll be reported.

TIA

 
Top Ten Reasons I don't like Tatum Bell this year:

1) He rushed for 396 yards and 3 TDs last year,

2) He caught just 5 balls in 9 games.

3) Bell's only 100 yard game came against a Miami team that had completely given up. Tatum Bell (123 yards), Corey Dillon (121 yards), Lee Suggs (143 yards), and Jamal Lewis (167 yards) all blew up on Miami at the end of last year.

4) He rushed for a total of an average of 62 yards and 0 TDs in back to back games against KC, Tennessee and Indy. Have fun deciding what his good matchups are.

5) He's played exactly 0 injury free games in the NFL.

6) Shanahan has shown that he will start any of his backs until one shows to be the best. We can only speculate on whether he thinks Bell has done that, but with Anderson taking reps with the first team, Clarett drafted in the third round, and Griffin coming back from an injury and saying he wants to compete to earn "his" job back, it doesn't seem like a sure thing.

7) Shanahan has shown that he will pull any of his backs if they get injured and replace them with another.

8) Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach who put that running system in place, left two years ago. That means George Foster, who was a rookie in Gibbs last year and is not a prototypical Denver lineman, and whoever they play at right guard, are no longer part of that "great O line", while Nalen is ancient. We're starting to see enough turnover to be able to see how much of the success of the Denver running backs has been Gibbs and how much was Shanahan.

9) Denver rushed for 300 fewer yards as a team last year than they did in Gibbs' last year with the team. Meanwhile, the Falcons rushed for 700 more yards as a team in Gibbs' first year with the team, although a healthy Vick certainly accounts for a large part of that.

10) This is a free tip for those of you saying he's worth a #3 pick or a late first rounder: If you see page after page of arguments about why your first round pick will or won't be a complete bust, DON'T TAKE HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND.
You forgot Reason #11... you probably don't own him.Come on, how 'bout a little objectivity?

We got into this with the Chris Brown/Lamont Jordan thread. One guy thought Lamont Jordan was gonna be a Top-10 lock this year... oh and by the way, he just happened to own him. And Chris Brown was someone he'd never touch. Sure, I'm buying that one!

 
Top Ten Reasons I don't like Tatum Bell this year:

1) He rushed for 396 yards and 3 TDs last year,

2) He caught just 5 balls in 9 games.

3) Bell's only 100 yard game came against a Miami team that had completely given up. Tatum Bell (123 yards), Corey Dillon (121 yards), Lee Suggs (143 yards), and Jamal Lewis (167 yards) all blew up on Miami at the end of last year.

4) He rushed for a total of an average of 62 yards and 0 TDs in back to back games against KC, Tennessee and Indy. Have fun deciding what his good matchups are.

5) He's played exactly 0 injury free games in the NFL.

6) Shanahan has shown that he will start any of his backs until one shows to be the best. We can only speculate on whether he thinks Bell has done that, but with Anderson taking reps with the first team, Clarett drafted in the third round, and Griffin coming back from an injury and saying he wants to compete to earn "his" job back, it doesn't seem like a sure thing.

7) Shanahan has shown that he will pull any of his backs if they get injured and replace them with another.

8) Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach who put that running system in place, left two years ago. That means George Foster, who was a rookie in Gibbs last year and is not a prototypical Denver lineman, and whoever they play at right guard, are no longer part of that "great O line", while Nalen is ancient. We're starting to see enough turnover to be able to see how much of the success of the Denver running backs has been Gibbs and how much was Shanahan.

9) Denver rushed for 300 fewer yards as a team last year than they did in Gibbs' last year with the team. Meanwhile, the Falcons rushed for 700 more yards as a team in Gibbs' first year with the team, although a healthy Vick certainly accounts for a large part of that.

10) This is a free tip for those of you saying he's worth a #3 pick or a late first rounder: If you see page after page of arguments about why your first round pick will or won't be a complete bust, DON'T TAKE HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND.
You forgot Reason #11... you probably don't own him.Come on, how 'bout a little objectivity?

We got into this with the Chris Brown/Lamont Jordan thread. One guy thought Lamont Jordan was gonna be a Top-10 lock this year... oh and by the way, he just happened to own him. And Chris Brown was someone he'd never touch. Sure, I'm buying that one!
Ohh the irony. :lol:
 
Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!
how'd Q Griffin work out for you last year?hope he helped you win your league. :thumbup:
Funny you should bring it up...Last year I drafted... Tatum Bell.

That's called foresight, mofo's. While people were falling all over themselves for Chris Perry, Greg Jones and Quentin Griffin, I took Bell and sat on him for a year.
congrats. :rolleyes: fyi - bell hasn't done anything yet...

and you'll refrain from the use of 'mofo's' in your replies to me or you'll be reported.

TIA
Am I being scolded? Sorry for such a naughty word, I'm just having fun.
 
Top Ten Reasons I don't like Tatum Bell this year:

1) He rushed for 396 yards and 3 TDs last year,

2) He caught just 5 balls in 9 games

3) Bell's only 100 yard game came against a Miami team that had completely given up.  Tatum Bell (123 yards), Corey Dillon (121 yards), Lee Suggs (143 yards), and Jamal Lewis (167 yards) all blew up on Miami at the end of last year. 

4) He rushed for a total of an average of 62 yards and 0 TDs in back to back games against KC, Tennessee and Indy.  Have fun deciding what his good matchups are. 

5) He's played exactly 0 injury free games in the NFL

6) Shanahan has shown that he will start any of his backs until one shows to be the best.  We can only speculate on whether he thinks Bell has done that, but with Anderson taking reps with the first team, Clarett drafted in the third round, and Griffin coming back from an injury and saying he wants to compete to earn "his" job back, it doesn't seem like a sure thing. 

7) Shanahan has shown that he will pull any of his backs if they get injured and replace them with another. 

8) Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach who put that running system in place, left two years ago.  That means George Foster, who was a rookie in Gibbs last year and is not a prototypical Denver lineman, and whoever they play at right guard, are no longer part of that "great O line", while Nalen is ancient.  We're starting to see enough turnover to be able to see how much of the success of the Denver running backs has been Gibbs and how much was Shanahan. 

9) Denver rushed for 300 fewer yards as a team last year than they did in Gibbs' last year with the team.  Meanwhile, the Falcons rushed for 700 more yards as a team in Gibbs' first year with the team, although a healthy Vick certainly accounts for a large part of that. 

10) This is a free tip for those of you saying he's worth a #3 pick or a late first rounder: If you see page after page of arguments about why your first round pick will or won't be a complete bust, DON'T TAKE HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND.
How convenient that in your entire, and lengthy I might add, argument against Tatum Bell's prospects next year you left out three significant pieces of data:1) Bell averaged 5.3 ypc with his rushes last year

2) Bell averages 1 rushing TD per 25 carries

3) Bell averages 16.0 yards per reception

If you want to twist numbers and keep blabbering about Alex Gibbs so be it (by the way the Denver running game does not miss Gibbs as much as most seem to think). Bell supporters can twist the numbers too--the small sample set from last year shows Tatum Bell definitely is an explosive back. The sample set is small, but the numbers look good and there is no denying that he gave the Denver running game a huge spark once he got into the lineup. It's up to each person to decide if given a much larger sample size Tatum Bell could keep up his explosiveness week in and week out. If he does---watch out.

 
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How convenient that in your entire, and lengthy I might add, argument against Tatum Bell's prospects next year you left out three significant pieces of data:

1) Bell averaged 5.3 ypc with his rushes last year

2) Bell averages 1 rushing TD per 25 carries

3) Bell averages 16.0 yards per reception

If you want to twist numbers and keep blabbering about Alex Gibbs so be it (by the way the Denver running game does not miss Gibbs as much as most seem to think), but from the small sample set from last year Tatum Bell definitely is an explosive back. The sample set is small, but the numbers look good and there is no denying that he gave the Denver running game a huge spark once he got into the lineup. It's up to each person to decide if given a much larger sample size Tatum Bell could keep up his explosiveness week in and week out. If he does---watch out.
Great post, Slash.It's the whole "risk/reward" thing again. Bell has shown that given the opportunity, he can excel. And given that Q and Droughns both did, and neither have a sniff of the talent Bell does, look out. Hence the FFI ranking.

 
How convenient that in your entire, and lengthy I might add, argument against Tatum Bell's prospects next year you left out three significant pieces of data:

1) Bell averaged 5.3 ypc with his rushes last year

2) Bell averages 1 rushing TD per 25 carries

3) Bell averages 16.0 yards per reception

If you want to twist numbers and keep blabbering about Alex Gibbs so be it (by the way the Denver running game does not miss Gibbs as much as most seem to think). Bell supporters can twist the numbers too--the small sample set from last year shows Tatum Bell definitely is an explosive back. The sample set is small, but the numbers look good and there is no denying that he gave the Denver running game a huge spark once he got into the lineup. It's up to each person to decide if given a much larger sample size Tatum Bell could keep up his explosiveness week in and week out. If he does---watch out.
Wow, that is very impressive seeing such a large sample size of 75 carries and 5 rec in mop-up duty and vs some of the worst team in the NFL. :sarcasm:

 
B..... Barlow. B...... Bell. B.....Bust. Until Shananigans settles down, I can't take any Denver RB in the top ten. Too risky. Since Portis left, he sleeps with more RB's than a hooker has johns on 42nd street. Before this season ends, he is going to prove to every one how smart he was to draft Clarett. No thanks.
Shows what you know. There are no hookers on 42nd street anymore. That's so 1980.A Bell/Clarett handcuff is fantasy gold, for this year and in dynasty leagues. Well worth the ADP.
What about Anderson? Or Griff for that matter?
DAYNE :lmao: sorry, i couldn't keep a straight face

 
If you want to twist numbers and keep blabbering about Alex Gibbs so be it (by the way the Denver running game does not miss Gibbs as much as most seem to think).
Denver returned the majority of its line intact last year, and was only months removed from Gibbs. A year later, their right guard position is in flux, and Foster was never really a Gibbs guy. You can't assume that whichever RB plays in Denver will as be good as they have the past few years.
It's up to each person to decide if given a much larger sample size player X could keep up his explosiveness week in and week out. If he does---watch out.
That's an awesome description of a fourth or even third round pick.
 
How convenient that in your entire, and lengthy I might add, argument against Tatum Bell's prospects next year you left out three significant pieces of data:

1) Bell averaged 5.3 ypc with his rushes last year

2) Bell averages 1 rushing TD per 25 carries

3) Bell averages 16.0 yards per reception

If you want to twist numbers and keep blabbering about Alex Gibbs so be it (by the way the Denver running game does not miss Gibbs as much as most seem to think).  Bell supporters can twist the numbers too--the small sample set from last year shows Tatum Bell definitely is an explosive back.  The sample set is small, but the numbers look good and there is no denying that he gave the Denver running game a huge spark once he got into the lineup.  It's up to each person to decide if given a much larger sample size Tatum Bell could keep up his explosiveness week in and week out.  If he does---watch out.
Wow, that is very impressive seeing such a large sample size of 75 carries and 5 rec in mop-up duty and vs some of the worst team in the NFL. :sarcasm:
Part of being successful at FF is having the ability to assess situations, filter through the noise and get the golden nugget. I don't think anyone is saying that Bell should be #3 off the board, drafted in the 1st round or that his stats were unreal last year. He does have ability, opportunity and a fantastic system which are 3 keys to fantasy success. In his situation (a RB on the Broncos) with other talent they have on their roster (Griffin/Anderson/Clarett) it's obvious that there is huge value if he pans out. He has better ability than anyone on the roster, the coach likes him and his toughness and he has 1 year of experience/knowledge. Is he a lock? No, but most aren't drafting him (or going to) as a lock.

 
Wow, that is very impressive seeing such a large sample size of 75 carries and 5 rec in mop-up duty and vs some of the worst team in the NFL. :sarcasm:
Look, jurb, I know you hate Bell for some irrational reason - which you make clear often in every Bell thread that turns up, but please stop tying the facts into pretzels to support your point.While Bell's sample size is undisputedly small, the vast majority of his work came when DEN was in the home stretch of the season & a playoff spot was very much in doubt - and while he was playing through a 3rd degree shoulder seperation. It was not mop-up work by any reasonable assessment of the data.
 
Part of being successful at FF is having the ability to assess situations, filter through the noise and get the golden nugget. I don't think anyone is saying that Bell should be #3 off the board, drafted in the 1st round or that his stats were unreal last year.

He does have ability, opportunity and a fantastic system which are 3 keys to fantasy success. In his situation (a RB on the Broncos) with other talent they have on their roster (Griffin/Anderson/Clarett) it's obvious that there is huge value if he pans out. He has better ability than anyone on the roster, the coach likes him and his toughness and he has 1 year of experience/knowledge. Is he a lock? No, but most aren't drafting him (or going to) as a lock.
I agree, but would you not also agree that placing him in the top 3 impies that he is a "lock?" I'm for crying out loud this is ahead of guys like Edge, McGahee, McAllister, Portis, ect......
 
Wow, that is very impressive seeing such a large sample size of 75 carries and 5 rec in mop-up duty and vs some of the worst team in the NFL.

:sarcasm:
Look, jurb, I know you hate Bell for some irrational reason - which you make clear often in every Bell thread that turns up, but please stop tying the facts into pretzels to support your point.While Bell's sample size is undisputedly small, the vast majority of his work came when DEN was in the home stretch of the season & a playoff spot was very much in doubt - and while he was playing through a 3rd degree shoulder seperation. It was not mop-up work by any reasonable assessment of the data.
Yeah, your right. I forgot how much Mia and Tenn had to play for in Dec and Indy in the final game of the season with their playoff status LOCKED UP.
 

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