Tatum Bell is the No.3 RB listed on the cheatsheet (1 Viewer)

[Kit Fisto]

Once again, I think we are getting our formats blurred here.

Redraft: Should easily be amongst the Top 10 RB's taken (IMHO); higher if you're a risk-taker, lower if you play it safe.

Dynasty: Long gone, and nobody's trading him away. And yes, even last year, in dynasty, he's a 1st rounder.

 

[bostonfred]

You forgot Reason #11... you probably don't own him.

Come on, how 'bout a little objectivity?

Actually, I do. I own Culpepper, whose overratedness I've been equally vocal about, in the same league. I'm actively trying to trade both. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but please don't call my objectivity into question for the sake of an argument like this.

It's the whole "risk/reward" thing again. Bell has shown that given the opportunity, he can excel. And given that Q and Droughns both did, and neither have a sniff of the talent Bell does, look out. Hence the FFI ranking.

I understand what you're saying. You could make a case that, if Bell ends up being good enough to singlehandedly win you a championship more than 1/12 of the time, he's a good risk. Or if he ends up being good enough to make you a 50/50 shot to win the championship more than 1/6 of the time, he's a good risk. However,

1) I don't think, even in his best case, that he's that much better than the players that will be drafted around him,

2) I think there's a very good chance he won't go through the season as a starter,

3) I think there's other players in the same area of the draft or later that are similarly likely to help me win a championship, and

4) I think my chances of winning because one ore more later round picks blow up are better if I get guys that are safer than Bell in the first two rounds.

I agree that some cases where the rewards are worth the risk, but with the limited information we have about Bell and the amount of negative information that we do have, I don't think Bell is one of those cases.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Let's see how this flies...

Let's put Clinton Portis, or even say Terrell Davis, back in Denver. Where do they rank? For JC's sake, Portis is considered a Top 5-8 guy, and he's playing for awful Washington, not fantasy RB-machine Denver!

I'm not saying Bell is the next TD or even Portis, but why can't he be? Because you don't own him? Come on, I thought we'd be more objective in THE SHARK POOL.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I got torched by Denver's RB carousel last season, so I'm pretty leary of pulling the trigger on Bell, at least in early FF drafts. The drop-off in production since Gibbs' departure and the many unknowns surrounding the teams' intentions with Griffin and Clarett vis-a-vis playing time means a lot of risk is inherent in investing a high pick in Bell. Nobody expected Rueben Droughns to be "the man" at this time last year. Who knows if Clarett can pull off the upset and battle to the top of the depth chart -- only time will tell. On the other hand, I'm certain that Priest Holmes, LaDainian Tomlinson, Edgerrin James, Willis McGahee, Tiki Barber (and several other top RBs) will be the featured backs (barring injury) for their teams come the start of regular season.A first round selection for Bell seems imprudent, IMO.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Actually, I do. I own Culpepper, whose overratedness I've been equally vocal about, in the same league. I'm actively trying to trade both.

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but please don't call my objectivity into question for the sake of an argument like this.

My bad on thinking you didn't own him, given your feelings towards him. I would think that you'd be stoked to have a guy with such high upside on your team. Is he your #1?

 

[P Boy]

Yeah, your right.  I forgot how much Mia and Tenn had to play for in Dec and Indy in the final game of the season with their playoff status LOCKED UP.

Okay, I know this is going to be hard for you to understand, since it doesn't tear Bell to shreds, thereby affirming your omnipotent grasp of Bell's capability as opposed to many others here, but I'll try anyhow.DEN was on the outside looking in for playoff position when the last stretch of the season started. DEN had a proven RB who they could have handed the ball to in Droughns, who performed like a champion when forced into duty last season. Yet despite DEN's playoff hopes in the lurch and having Droughns who was pounding out massive yardage, Shanahan turned to Bell quite often in that home stretch - even though he was a rookie playing through a significant injury, which led to them claiming a playoff spot.If Shanahan thinks enough of Bell to put that much confidence in him even when injured at that critical time of the season, don't you think it is even remotely possible that Shanahan knows more about Bell than even you do & realizes that Bell is a very gifted runner?And if you want to talk about teams playing with nothing to lose & how they lay down & die, why don't you ask SB Champion NE about MIA during that time last season when NE was playing for HFA throughout the AFC playoffs?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

dude is quick....dude makes plays (screen pass against KC was sick).....Anderson is a nice player but Bell is one of those guys that can score from anywhere on the field (seriously)....he is electric.....if Shanahan doesn't put the ball in this guys hands as much as possible and out of Jake's as much as possible he is an idiot......Shanahan is not an idiot.....he knows what he has in Bell....Anderson and the rest are great insurance....but Bell is the man....not sure if I would take him #3 overall....but I would not be surprised to see him put up stats worthy of that ranking...fyi.....KC fan living in Denver area....I can't stand the Donkeys....but Bell is the real deal....

 

[Banger]

Part of being successful at FF is having the ability to assess situations, filter through the noise and get the golden nugget.  I don't think anyone is saying that Bell should be #3 off the board, drafted in the 1st round or that his stats were unreal last year. 

He does have ability, opportunity and a fantastic system which are 3 keys to fantasy success.  In his situation (a RB on the Broncos) with other talent they have on their roster (Griffin/Anderson/Clarett) it's obvious that there is huge value if he pans out.  He has better ability than anyone on the roster, the coach likes him and his toughness and he has 1 year of experience/knowledge.  Is he a lock?  No, but most aren't drafting him (or going to) as a lock.

I agree, but would you not also agree that placing him in the top 3 impies that he is a "lock?" I'm for crying out loud this is ahead of guys like Edge, McGahee, McAllister, Portis, ect......

As I said in my post, there's no way I would place him in the top 3 and wouldn't draft him in the 1st round. My argument is that he has the talent and opportunity to be a very good rb, much better than he being given credit for by some. If he is there in late 2nd or early 3rd though there's a good chance (if the news out of Denver doesn't drastically change) that I would take a shot at him.

 

[thesurfshop19]

In another thread I was addressing the whole Broncos without Alex Gibbs situation:

He was a consultant for 3 years before joining the Falcons, when the Broncos ranked 10th, 5th, and 2nd in rushing yards. Last year with Gibbs in Atlanta Denver was 4th. I really think you're reaching if you're suggesting that Denver's running game will drop off just because Gibbs left.

Furthermore, the Falcons were the best rushing team in the league in 2004, but let's be fair -- Vick's 902 rushing yards can't all be attributed to Gibbs!

Atlanta running backs were 388 / 1694 (4.4 ypc) while Denver RBs were 459 / 2060 (4.5 ypc). Denver's 2004 numbers were certainly worse than their 2003 numbers, but they had Portis running the ball 2 years ago with Reuben Droughns getting the lion's share last year -- big difference.

I think the jury's still out, at the very least. If people are saying that the "only" or even "main" reason Denver had a top running game was because of Gibbs, I don't see a lot of evidence for that once you dig a little deeper.He certainly had an impact, though ... and quantifying that impact will be important. Also keep in mind that he was a consultant his last 3 years in Denver.

 

[Exile]

Yeah, your right.  I forgot how much Mia and Tenn had to play for in Dec and Indy in the final game of the season with their playoff status LOCKED UP.

Okay, I know this is going to be hard for you to understand, since it doesn't tear Bell to shreds, thereby affirming your omnipotent grasp of Bell's capability as opposed to many others here, but I'll try anyhow.DEN was on the outside looking in for playoff position when the last stretch of the season started. DEN had a proven RB who they could have handed the ball to in Droughns, who performed like a champion when forced into duty last season. Yet despite DEN's playoff hopes in the lurch and having Droughns who was pounding out massive yardage, Shanahan turned to Bell quite often in that home stretch - even though he was a rookie playing through a significant injury, which led to them claiming a playoff spot.

If Shanahan thinks enough of Bell to put that much confidence in him even when injured at that critical time of the season, don't you think it is even remotely possible that Shanahan knows more about Bell than even you do & realizes that Bell is a very gifted runner?

And if you want to talk about teams playing with nothing to lose & how they lay down & die, why don't you ask SB Champion NE about MIA during that time last season when NE was playing for HFA throughout the AFC playoffs?

 

[Joe T]

Let's see how this flies...

Let's put Clinton Portis, or even say Terrell Davis, back in Denver. Where do they rank? For JC's sake, Portis is considered a Top 5-8 guy, and he's playing for awful Washington, not fantasy RB-machine Denver!

I'm not saying Bell is the next TD or even Portis, but why can't he be? Because you don't own him? Come on, I thought we'd be more objective in THE SHARK POOL.

because Bell hasn't done anything near what Portis or Davis has done? those guys would deserve that spot based on performance, not expectation. there is a huge differnece.

neither of those guys were 1st or 2nd or even 5th round picks until after they produced huge seasons.

this is a point I think a lot of Bell hypers are missing.

 

[Joe T]

dude is quick....dude makes plays (screen pass against KC was sick).....Anderson is a nice player but Bell is one of those guys that can score from anywhere on the field (seriously)....he is electric.....if Shanahan doesn't put the ball in this guys hands as much as possible and out of Jake's as much as possible he is an idiot......Shanahan is not an idiot.....he knows what he has in Bell....Anderson and the rest are great insurance....but Bell is the man....

not sure if I would take him #3 overall....but I would not be surprised to see him put up stats worthy of that ranking...

fyi.....KC fan living in Denver area....I can't stand the Donkeys....but Bell is the real deal....

is this schtick?seriously, I can't tell if he's mocking the Belly hypers or not...

 

[Kit Fisto]

Let's see how this flies...

Let's put Clinton Portis, or even say Terrell Davis, back in Denver. Where do they rank? For JC's sake, Portis is considered a Top 5-8 guy, and he's playing for awful Washington, not fantasy RB-machine Denver!

I'm not saying Bell is the next TD or even Portis, but why can't he be? Because you don't own him? Come on, I thought we'd be more objective in THE SHARK POOL.

because Bell hasn't done anything near what Portis or Davis has done? those guys would deserve that spot based on performance, not expectation. there is a huge differnece.

neither of those guys were 1st or 2nd or even 5th round picks until after they produced huge seasons.

this is a point I think a lot of Bell hypers are missing.

The FFI ranking is based on EXPECTATION, not just a repeat of last year's rankings. They are trying to play Nostradamus and help us FFers figure who to pick this year, based on their gut feelings, opportunity, trends set last year, etc.I just tend to agree with them. You don't. OK.

But you're wrong about Davis and Portis not being picked high in Fantasy. True, TD was drafted in the 6th and played on special teams at first his rookie year. He was most likely not drafted in either redraft or dynasty. I know he wasn't in my leagues. Then he started getting the rock. And then boy he was gobbled up FAST! I wish I had the foresight then to draft him late. Portis had very high expectations coming out of Miami, and going to the Denver RB machine, his expectations were even higher.

 

[bostonfred]

Actually, I do.  I own Culpepper, whose overratedness I've been equally vocal about, in the same league.  I'm actively trying to trade both. 

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but please don't call my objectivity into question for the sake of an argument like this.

My bad on thinking you didn't own him, given your feelings towards him. I would think that you'd be stoked to have a guy with such high upside on your team. Is he your #1?

My "feelings on him" are that I'm happy to have a player with a high perceived value, and the reason I'm trying to trade him because his perceived value is much higher than I believe his real value is. I will keep him if I can't get something good back in trade for him, but I'll probably still try to trade him throughout the year. His risk/reward makes him an acceptable keeper for this year but I like a lot of other players better. And my problem with keeping a Denver RB in a keeper/dynasty is that you never know who the Denver back is going to be from year to year.

 

[Marc Levin]

Wow, that is very impressive seeing such a large sample size of 75 carries and 5 rec in mop-up duty and vs some of the worst team in the NFL.

Look, jurb, I know you hate Bell for some irrational reason - which you make clear often in every Bell thread that turns up, but please stop tying the facts into pretzels to support your point.While Bell's sample size is undisputedly small, the vast majority of his work came when DEN was in the home stretch of the season & a playoff spot was very much in doubt - and while he was playing through a 3rd degree shoulder seperation. It was not mop-up work by any reasonable assessment of the data.

Here's the difference between people who are fortunate enough to live in Denver and have seen every professional running play of the Denver Broncos and those who read statistics and extrapolate from there.

I also am in 100 percent agreement with B-Fred that it is an erroneous assumption to think that the current Bronco OL will produce a fantasy RB of the caliber that the Gibbs OLs did.

16 games out of some Denver back will probably be a top-10 fantasy year, however, I don't think a 16-game Denver back is an automatic top-5 fantasy back anymore. There are definitely some personnel problems, some health problems., and some continuity problems with the Broncos OL - and there are at least two improved defenses in the AFC West in SD and KC.

 

[Marc Levin]

You forgot Reason #11... you probably don't own him.

Come on, how 'bout a little objectivity?

Actually, I do. I own Culpepper, whose overratedness I've been equally vocal about, in the same league. I'm actively trying to trade both. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but please don't call my objectivity into question for the sake of an argument like this.

And here's the perfect example of someone spouting off about another member with no factual basis - I have been reading B-Fred for three years, plus, and he is probably the single most consistently objective poster on these boards. And, he does NOT allow his ownership interests to cloud his fantasy analysis. How can he when he is usually in enough leagues to own almost every important FF player?

 

[Reaper]

Wow, that is very impressive seeing such a large sample size of 75 carries and 5 rec in mop-up duty and vs some of the worst team in the NFL.

Look, jurb, I know you hate Bell for some irrational reason - which you make clear often in every Bell thread that turns up, but please stop tying the facts into pretzels to support your point.While Bell's sample size is undisputedly small, the vast majority of his work came when DEN was in the home stretch of the season & a playoff spot was very much in doubt - and while he was playing through a 3rd degree shoulder seperation. It was not mop-up work by any reasonable assessment of the data.

Here's the difference between people who are fortunate enough to live in Denver and have seen every professional running play of the Denver Broncos and those who read statistics and extrapolate from there.

I also am in 100 percent agreement with B-Fred that it is an erroneous assumption to think that the current Bronco OL will produce a fantasy RB of the caliber that the Gibbs OLs did.

16 games out of some Denver back will probably be a top-10 fantasy year, however, I don't think a 16-game Denver back is an automatic top-5 fantasy back anymore. There are definitely some personnel problems, some health problems., and some continuity problems with the Broncos OL - and there are at least two improved defenses in the AFC West in SD and KC.

And in the past 3 months we went from questioning his value as a ADP of 3.6 which I thought was a Great Value to now asking if he's a late 1st early 2nd round Value......WOW.

I defended Bell in the posts weeks and months ago - But, the tables have turned for the Bell Haters, at this point the Value has certainly changed and this is a whole other discussion.

I agree with BF and also own Bell in a Kpr league with BF - I've been trying to trade him while the Hype is still out there.

 

[LHUCKS]

You forgot Reason #11... you probably don't own him.

Come on, how 'bout a little objectivity?

Actually, I do. I own Culpepper, whose overratedness I've been equally vocal about, in the same league. I'm actively trying to trade both. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but please don't call my objectivity into question for the sake of an argument like this.

And here's the perfect example of someone spouting off about another member with no factual basis - I have been reading B-Fred for three years, plus, and he is probably the single most consistently objective poster on these boards. And, he does NOT allow his ownership interests to cloud his fantasy analysis. How can he when he is usually in enough leagues to own almost every important FF player?

There's a simple solution...IQ Tests for all members 14000+

 

[Marc Levin]

In another thread I was addressing the whole Broncos without Alex Gibbs situation:

He was a consultant for 3 years before joining the Falcons, when the Broncos ranked 10th, 5th, and 2nd in rushing yards.  Last year with Gibbs in Atlanta Denver was 4th.  I really think you're reaching if you're suggesting that Denver's running game will drop off just because Gibbs left.

Furthermore, the Falcons were the best rushing team in the league in 2004, but let's be fair -- Vick's 902 rushing yards can't all be attributed to Gibbs!

Atlanta running backs were 388 / 1694 (4.4 ypc) while Denver RBs were 459 / 2060 (4.5 ypc).  Denver's 2004 numbers were certainly worse than their 2003 numbers, but they had Portis running the ball 2 years ago with Reuben Droughns getting the lion's share last year -- big difference.

I think the jury's still out, at the very least. If people are saying that the "only" or even "main" reason Denver had a top running game was because of Gibbs, I don't see a lot of evidence for that once you dig a little deeper.He certainly had an impact, though ... and quantifying that impact will be important. Also keep in mind that he was a consultant his last 3 years in Denver.

Excellent points. I agree the impact of Gibbs himself is still ouit, but the fact that this offensiveline is now two years removed from Gibbs' influence is not. Plugging in Clinton Portis or Terrell Davis numbers to a Denver RB is equally as fallable as thinking the OL drops like a rock just b/c Gibbs isn't there.

 

[Marc Levin]

And in the past 3 months we went from questioning his value as a ADP of 3.6 which I thought was a Great Value to now asking if he's a late 1st early 2nd round Value......

Let's not get ahead of ourselves - there are only a very few here who are seriously considering Bell anytime above his current early third round ADP.Me included, which is why I won;t have him in any of my local drafts - he'll go mid-2nd in most Denver drafts.And, if he runs w/the first string in TC and opens the preseason as the starting Denver back, watch the pimp juice start flying.

 

[jurb26]

And in the past 3 months we went from questioning his value as a ADP of 3.6 which I thought was a Great Value to now asking if he's a late 1st early 2nd round Value......

Let's not get ahead of ourselves - there are only a very few here who are seriously considering Bell anytime above his current early third round ADP.Me included, which is why I won;t have him in any of my local drafts - he'll go mid-2nd in most Denver drafts.

And, if he runs w/the first string in TC and opens the preseason as the starting Denver back, watch the pimp juice start flying.

This is the point Marc. Several people are justifying the FFI pick of Bell 3rd and him going in the 1st/early 2nd. Could he be a top 5 RB? Of course he could, thats not the point. Whne a player has an ADP in the mid 3rd, I can envision very few siutaions in which it is wise to draft him in the 1st or early 2nd round I'm afriad.

 

[Marc Levin]

They are? I haven't noticed that. Can you show me those statements in the thread?What I recall here form the last few days of posting is that there were people justifying Bell as a solid fantasy back in general with top-5 RB upside. I have not seen anyone here justifying the FFI pick of him as the #3 fantasy back.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Yeah, because it makes total sense to throw out the old guys like Edge, McAllister, Portis, and Davis

 

[jurb26]

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!

Once again, I think we are getting our formats blurred here.

Redraft: Should easily be amongst the Top 10 RB's taken (IMHO); higher if you're a risk-taker, lower if you play it safe.

Dynasty: Long gone, and nobody's trading him away. And yes, even last year, in dynasty, he's a 1st rounder.

These are just the few from this thread Marc, I'll assume you can take the time to look up the other ones in the several other Bell threads on your own.

 

[Family Matters]

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year.  Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year.  There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's.  At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite.  This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way.  I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year.  Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year.  There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's.  At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite.  This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way.  I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!

Once again, I think we are getting our formats blurred here.

Redraft: Should easily be amongst the Top 10 RB's taken (IMHO); higher if you're a risk-taker, lower if you play it safe.

Dynasty: Long gone, and nobody's trading him away. And yes, even last year, in dynasty, he's a 1st rounder.

These are just the few from this thread Marc, I'll assume you can take the time to look up the other ones in the several other Bell threads on your own.

Funny, I read each one and none of these suggest taking him with your #3 pick. Only one said to take him in the later first round.

 

[jurb26]

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year. Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year. There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's. At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite. This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way. I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!

Once again, I think we are getting our formats blurred here.

Redraft: Should easily be amongst the Top 10 RB's taken (IMHO); higher if you're a risk-taker, lower if you play it safe.

Dynasty: Long gone, and nobody's trading him away. And yes, even last year, in dynasty, he's a 1st rounder.

These are just the few from this thread Marc, I'll assume you can take the time to look up the other ones in the several other Bell threads on your own.

Funny, I read each one and none of these suggest taking him with your #3 pick. Only one said to take him in the later first round.

I think you may need help understanding my statement, so I will post it for you again:Several people are justifying the FFI pick of Bell 3rd and him going in the 1st/early 2nd.

 

[Marc Levin]

jurb's right.Though I believe there are only a few people here thinking Bell = worthy of a late first. The vast bulk of the people here are just talking about Bell's worth as a potential top-10/top-5 fantasy back - not that he is WORTH a first round selection.Kit Fitso, who obviously has a ton of man-love for Bell - is two of those quotes above. The other two are from Slash and Rushmore. That's only three guys - and I'd call them fringe opinions given the number of folks who have chimed in here.(edit for readability/sp)

 

[MelvinTScupper]

jurb's right.

Though I believe there are only a few people here thinking Bell = worthy of a late first. The vast bulk of the people here are just talking about Bell's worth as a potential top-10/top-5 fantasy back - not that he is WORTH a first round selection.

Kit Fitso, who obviously has a ton of man-love for Bell - is two of those quotes above. The other two are from Slash and Rushmore. That's only three guys - and I'd call them fringe opinions given the number of folks who have chimed in here.

(edit for readability/sp)

And it's a friggin lock that they all have him on their keeper rosters.

 

[Family Matters]

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year.  Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year.  There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's.  At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite.  This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way.  I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Nice to see a magazine with the stones to rank players based on how they feel they will perform NEXT year.  Too many mags and websites just regurgitate the previous season's rankings and call them the new "cheatsheet" for next year.  There is always turnover, even in the elite rankings of RB's.  At this point, Bell makes a fine candidate to be the new kid on the block in the ranks of the elite.  This guy is about to take off in the NFL in a huge way.  I would do whatever it took to get this guy in my leagues, yes, even use a 1st round pick in the later portion of the 1st round.....maybe a Tatum Bell/Randy Moss combo.

Drafting Bell depends on what kind of fantasy player you are, and what kind of team you own.

Are you the type of guy who plays it safe, but never wins? Then stay away from Bell.

But if you are the type of player who takes gambles, and gets the guy before everyone else gets the chance LIKE MOST SHARKS WORTH THEIR SALT DO!!!!!!, I applaud you for having some balls.

I personally love the ranking by FFI. Over my 12 years of playing FF, I've have come to trust them the most. Sure, every year there's someone who doesn't live up to expectations, ala Santana Moss. What do you want, a crystal friggin' ball? It's called speculation fellas!

Once again, I think we are getting our formats blurred here.

Redraft: Should easily be amongst the Top 10 RB's taken (IMHO); higher if you're a risk-taker, lower if you play it safe.

Dynasty: Long gone, and nobody's trading him away. And yes, even last year, in dynasty, he's a 1st rounder.

These are just the few from this thread Marc, I'll assume you can take the time to look up the other ones in the several other Bell threads on your own.

Funny, I read each one and none of these suggest taking him with your #3 pick. Only one said to take him in the later first round.

I think you may need help understanding my statement, so I will post it for you again:Several people are justifying the FFI pick of Bell 3rd and him going in the 1st/early 2nd.

I did and thanks for clarifying.

 

[Slash]

Kit Fitso, who obviously has a ton of man-love for Bell - is two of those quotes above. The other two are from Slash and Rushmore. That's only three guys - and I'd call them fringe opinions given the number of folks who have chimed in here.

Marc Levin, my opinion is no more fringe than yours. Unless you have access to the Denver Broncos lockerroom and practices I don't see how you come off this day in age saying you are somehow more knowledgable about the Denver Broncos than any Joe out there who has NFL Sunday Ticket, listens to Denver Radio, and scans the Denver newspapers for stories of the Broncos. Newsflash: just because you live in Denver and watch Denver games, whether it be live or on television, doesn't give you inside knowledge of the Broncos. Also working for a website doesn't give you the right to consider any opinions fringe, unless that's your definition of professionalism you are proudly representing. And to clarify my stance on Bell. I would not draft Bell with the #3 pick, why should I when I know people in leagues will let him slip to the 2nd, and even early 3rd round? However, I feel Bell can certianly perform like a top 3 back. After watching Reuben Droughns perform so well I don't see how the majority of you can question Bell's potential as the lead back in Denver. I would draft Bell as early as the late 1st round if forced to because another in my league may be equally high on him. Even if I had to take bell in the 1.11 or 1.12 spot I still feel I am getting a good value seeing as how I think he can perform like a top 5 pick. This is only my fringe opinion of course, but I just don't see how anybody can be down on Bell after what Droughns showed last year in that offense and the explosiveness and toughness Bell showed late in the season. The only thing that can bring Bell down at this point is injury or ego, but then again isn't that the achilles heel of all NFL players?

 

[jurb26]

And to clarify my stance on Bell. I would not draft Bell with the #3 pick, why should I when I know people in leagues will let him slip to the 2nd, and even early 3rd round? However, I feel Bell can certianly perform like a top 3 back. After watching Reuben Droughns perform so well I don't see how the majority of you can question Bell's potential as the lead back in Denver. I would draft Bell as early as the late 1st round if forced to because another in my league may be equally high on him. Even if I had to take bell in the 1.11 or 1.12 spot I still feel I am getting a good value seeing as how I think he can perform like a top 5 pick. This is only my fringe opinion of course, but I just don't see how anybody can be down on Bell after what Droughns showed last year in that offense and the explosiveness and toughness Bell showed late in the season. The only thing that can bring Bell down at this point is injury or ego, but then again isn't that the achilles heel of all NFL players?

There is nothing wrong with this view at all. I have always said, take the guys YOU want. You have to understand that htis is an extreme position and highly unlikely in most all leagues. Bell has an ADP of mid 3rd round and a high pick of 2.04 as of now. There is virtually no reason you should have to spend a 1st on him and a very unlikely chance that you should have to spend an early 2nd on him.

 

[Marc Levin]

Marc Levin, my opinion is no more fringe than yours. Unless you have access to the Denver Broncos lockerroom and practices I don't see how you come off this day in age saying you are somehow more knowledgable about the Denver Broncos than any Joe out there

Sorry to offend you, Slash, but you completely misunderstood my statement. I never claimed your opinion on Bell as a player is fringe or that mine is mainstream. You surely will admit that it is a fringe opinion around here (being the Shark Pool, and this thread in particular) to claim that Bell is worthy of a bottom of the first round fantasy draft selection or that he is a likely top-5 fantasy RB. I'd say ADP supports the idea that your opinion is on the fringe in the larger fantasy community as well.I apologize if I offended you, but I really believe you misunderstood, or misread, my statement.

 

[Slash]

Marc Levin, my opinion is no more fringe than yours.  Unless you have access to the Denver Broncos lockerroom and practices I don't see how you come off this day in age saying you are somehow more knowledgable about the Denver Broncos than any Joe out there

Sorry to offend you, Slash, but you completely misunderstood my statement. I never claimed your opinion on Bell as a player is fringe or that mine is mainstream. You surely will admit that it is a fringe opinion around here (being the Shark Pool, and this thread in particular) to claim that Bell is worthy of a bottom of the first round fantasy draft selection or that he is a likely top-5 fantasy RB. I'd say ADP supports the idea that your opinion is on the fringe in the larger fantasy community as well.

I apologize if I offended you, but I really believe you misunderstood, or misread, my statement.

I did misunderstand your comments and offer my apology as well. I do realize that I'm probably in the minority as far as thinking Bell could very well be a top 5 RB by season's end. Being one who missed out on Clinton Portis because I bought into the "he's too small to carry the load" banter as well as the presumed view that Portis was buried on the depth chart behind Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary, I guess I'm just overly enthusiasctic of Bell's prospects and don't want to miss out again. If Reuben Droughns can look good in that system running the ball, I feel Bell can at least do what Droughns did with the potential for much more.

 

[brick]

Once again, I think we are getting our formats blurred here.Redraft: Should easily be amongst the Top 10 RB's taken (IMHO); higher if you're a risk-taker, lower if you play it safe.Dynasty: Long gone, and nobody's trading him away. And yes, even last year, in dynasty, he's a 1st rounder.

He holds too much value in a dynasty league. Denver RB's at this point have a 2 year shelf life at mostShanny firmly beleives in the wham bam give me Champ, thank you mame at this point.

 

[P Boy]

He holds too much value in a dynasty league. Denver RB's at this point have a 2 year shelf life at mostShanny firmly beleives in the wham bam give me Champ, thank you mame at this point.

That's patently nonsense. The only time Shanahan has dumped a player who has peformed well & taken over the starter's position is if the player wants to suddenly break the bank after his new-found glory.O Gary wanted prime $$$ after his big season, but Shanahan had Anderson & TD still on the roster, so he let Gary walk. Gary walked himself right into oblivion.Portis signed a 4 year rookie contract, and after two years declred that he wanted to be the highest paid RB in the NFL or he was going to hold out. Even TD advised Portis to wait 1 year - and DEN offered to pony up for a Lloyd's of London $17M insurance policy for him - because Shanahan always renegotiates in the last year of a contract & not before, except for salary cap reasons. Portis & Rosenhaus wouldn't go for it & Shanahan sent him packing to WAS.Droughns, after this past season, decided that he was prime NFL RB stock, despite not doing spit in DET for a while & then Shanahan ressurecting his career by turning him into a FB, which allowed Droughns to continue drawing NFL paychecks despite his complete flop as a NFL RB. Droughns only got his shot because of 4 - count 'em, 4 - RBs on DEN's roster going down to injury. He was #5 on the RB depth chart last season, and he would have come into this season no better than #4 on the RB depth chart. But Droughns was convinced he ought to be a #1 RB in the NFL, so Shanahan let him bolt to CLE. I have a feeling that Droughns is going to have about as much success as Gary did out of DEN.Shanahan understands that he creates unique situations for RBs in DEN. He arguably could be the best running game coach in the history of the game. I don't remember any coach who could keep interchanging the integrel part of the running game - through injury or through a player bolting for a big payday - & yet have the running game cruise merrily along as a top 5 system for as long as he has. He'll reward players who are patient & play to the terms of their contracts (mostly because he understands the salary cap very, very well & knows that one big payday can be disasterous for the team while it rewards the one player) - and he's fiercely loyal to those guys: TD, Anderson, even the very limited KaRon Coleman. But if one or two seasons make a player want to seek a huge payday, especially before his contract is not close to being up, the player is gone. And off goes the DEN running game with a new RB posting huge rushing numbers.

 

[B-Deep]

That's patently nonsense. The only time Shanahan has dumped a player who has peformed well & taken over the starter's position is if the player wants to suddenly break the bank after his new-found glory.

O Gary wanted prime $$$ after his big season, but Shanahan had Anderson & TD still on the roster, so he let Gary walk. Gary walked himself right into oblivion.

Portis signed a 4 year rookie contract, and after two years declred that he wanted to be the highest paid RB in the NFL or he was going to hold out. Even TD advised Portis to wait 1 year - and DEN offered to pony up for a Lloyd's of London $17M insurance policy for him - because Shanahan always renegotiates in the last year of a contract & not before, except for salary cap reasons. Portis & Rosenhaus wouldn't go for it & Shanahan sent him packing to WAS.

Droughns, after this past season, decided that he was prime NFL RB stock, despite not doing spit in DET for a while & then Shanahan ressurecting his career by turning him into a FB, which allowed Droughns to continue drawing NFL paychecks despite his complete flop as a NFL RB. Droughns only got his shot because of 4 - count 'em, 4 - RBs on DEN's roster going down to injury. He was #5 on the RB depth chart last season, and he would have come into this season no better than #4 on the RB depth chart. But Droughns was convinced he ought to be a #1 RB in the NFL, so Shanahan let him bolt to CLE. I have a feeling that Droughns is going to have about as much success as Gary did out of DEN.

Shanahan understands that he creates unique situations for RBs in DEN. He arguably could be the best running game coach in the history of the game. I don't remember any coach who could keep interchanging the integrel part of the running game - through injury or through a player bolting for a big payday - & yet have the running game cruise merrily along as a top 5 system for as long as he has.

He'll reward players who are patient & play to the terms of their contracts (mostly because he understands the salary cap very, very well & knows that one big payday can be disasterous for the team while it rewards the one player) - and he's fiercely loyal to those guys: TD, Anderson, even the very limited KaRon Coleman. But if one or two seasons make a player want to seek a huge payday, especially before his contract is not close to being up, the player is gone. And off goes the DEN running game with a new RB posting huge rushing numbers.

I think these are good points, and this is where Bell becomes hard to rate. It's hard to look at the "pattern" of Denver RBs not lasting long and dismiss it as not important. I understand why your points indicate it should be discarded, but there's always this bad feeling about it. That's why this guy is in the top 5 some places and a third rounder other places. I think at RB15-20 there's huge upside to Tatum.One other thing I am not sure of, how were his fumble numbers last year? I remember hearing in the preseason that he was putting the ball on the carpet too much, did he clear that up?

 

[P Boy]

I just reread my last post for typos & realized that it makes me sound like a Shanahan boot-licker. I would like to dispell that notion.I've been calling for Shanahan's dismissal for 3 years now. The guy has an ego second to none - including Tuna - in the NFL, and treats players arrogantly when they have the temerity to even slightly question his strategy - and he does it through the press in a very sophomoric manner. He doesn't seem to understand in the least that a D-line is a very important facet of the game & keeps pissing away good D-linemen for no apparent reason, while hiring on guys who are 3-4 years past their prime. He still hasn't developed even 1 middling QB in his 10 years here - Elway was on the roster when he came & Plummer developed in AZ. I think Griese has the tools to be a solid NFL QB, but he pissed Griese away with his incredibly poor handling of the guy. I think Gruden & Griese are a great match & you'll see him shine for Gruden in TB. Shanahan's drafting & development of WRs is almost as bad as his record with QBs:QB 2004 Matt Mauck2004 Bradlee Van Pelt2000 Jarious Jackson1998 Brian Griese1996 Jeff Lewis WR 2004 Darius Watts2004 Triandos Luke2003 Adrian Madise2002 Ashley Lelie2002 Herb Haygood2001 Kevin Kasper2000 Chris Cole2000 Muneer Moore2000 Leroy Fields1999 Travis McGriff1999 Chad Plummer1999 Billy Miller1998 Marcus Nash1996 Patrick JeffersHis draft this year was beyond the comprehension of any knowledgeable football person & I think it will set the Broncos back significantly - probably well after he's left to coach at U of Florida or somewhere else when he realizes the cupboard is bare and he has no cap money to make it any better. His FA pickups weren't much better. The entire CLE D-line? The one that was on one of the worst run Ds in the NFL the past couple of years? C'mon, Mike! Do something that looks like you understand D, please!The guy hasn't won a single playoff game without having 2 HoF caliber players in his O backfield - something a few other coaches could win with - and the 3 playoff games he's lost since 1998 were over by halftime, gigantic blowouts that DEN was never in right from the start of the game.He's way, way too conservative near the goal line, which explains why his teams after 1998 always seem to put up great yardage rankings but always seem to lag those yardage rankings significantly in scoring - but hell, that makes Elam a great FF pickup at K He puts virtually no importance on special teams despite special teams' plays accounting for 1/4 to 1/5 of the plays in any game.So I have some significant problems with Shanahan as a HC. I'd much prefer to see him elsewhere, where he lead some other team to playoff whitewashings every other year. But I'll tag greatness when I see it, and there can be no denying Shanahan's complete understanding of the running offense & his mastery of it.

 

[P Boy]

One other thing I am not sure of, how were his fumble numbers last year? I remember hearing in the preseason that he was putting the ball on the carpet too much, did he clear that up?

I beleive he fumbled exactly 1 time last year. I could be wrong, but I think that's the number. He didn't play in the preseason - he broke his finger getting it caught in a player's facemask early on. You might be confusing him with Portis regarding fumbling.

 

[B-Deep]

One other thing I am not sure of, how were his fumble numbers last year? I remember hearing in the preseason that he was putting the ball on the carpet too much, did he clear that up?

I beleive he fumbled exactly 1 time last year. I could be wrong, but I think that's the number. He didn't play in the preseason - he broke his finger getting it caught in a player's facemask early on. You might be confusing him with Portis regarding fumbling.

Did he fumble a lot in college?Or am I just imagining things? either way it seems fumbling was not a problem! Your insight on the reasons behind the Denver RB chaos was useful PB...thanks!

 

[Loopdog]

i would say he fumbled more than once last yeari remember him fumbling one at the goalline after taking it like 65 yards....that sucks when you have him in your lineup and get 35 points for a 65 yard td.in any event, i feel like Taters will be a monster this year.I have him in a keeper league and wouldnt trade him before i let it play out this year. I understand both arguments, and wouldnt take him #3 overall, but i think after the preseason if he stays healthy, you'll see him go very high in drafts.He's gonna be hyped to the gills.But he's fast as hell and fits perfect in the Denver cutback system. Dude hits the hole like nobody i've seen recently in the NFL, he shoots through it. I'd love to have a replay of the SD game last year where he scored his first NFL TD, it was insane how fast he shot through that hole.I can't wait to watch him this season. Loop

 

[Kit Fisto]

Marc Levin, my opinion is no more fringe than yours.  Unless you have access to the Denver Broncos lockerroom and practices I don't see how you come off this day in age saying you are somehow more knowledgable about the Denver Broncos than any Joe out there

Sorry to offend you, Slash, but you completely misunderstood my statement. I never claimed your opinion on Bell as a player is fringe or that mine is mainstream. You surely will admit that it is a fringe opinion around here (being the Shark Pool, and this thread in particular) to claim that Bell is worthy of a bottom of the first round fantasy draft selection or that he is a likely top-5 fantasy RB. I'd say ADP supports the idea that your opinion is on the fringe in the larger fantasy community as well.

I apologize if I offended you, but I really believe you misunderstood, or misread, my statement.

I'm gonna jump in on this, because to a degree I'm offended too Marc.What has bothered me the most since joining these boards is that if you don't have a low member number or a high post count, you mustn't know your fantasy football. So untrue. I have been playing dynasty-only in 3, sometimes 4, cut-throat, shark-infested leagues for 12 years. I also am commissioner for one of these leagues. I have won several championships and lots of money along the way. I'm not trying to give myself a back-pat, I'm just stating my credentials. Having a high post count on footballguys.com is not one of them, sorry.

I could easily be a Joe Bryant, but I make my living doing something else; FF is my hobby. I have often said, with some of my buddies who also are total sharks with the same years of experience, that we could easily do what Joe and David and the rest of the staff do. You are no more knowledgable in regards to fantasy football than I. We have different opinions, I get it. That's why your site isn't the only one I visit. Just because your group name says staff doesn't make you superior. It's like the little punk "bouncers" who work Gillette, and other venues. Just because the T-shirt or jacket says STAFF on the back doesn't mean I won't tear you apart.

Considering half the posts in this thread are guys trying to be funny, or , and the other half being divided between those who think Bell is "fantasy gold" and will be on "lots of 2005 championship rosters", and those who don't agree, like yourself. I hardly find my opinion fringe. I find plenty of people in this thread who have high hopes for Bell this year.

I actually AGREE that Tatum Bell is a very risky player to use the #3 pick on in a redraft league. But like I said early, it all depends on what kind of FF player you are. A risk-taker, or a by-the-book guy? My methods work for me. Don't presume for a second that your methods are the only ones to go by.

My man-love for Bell... Tatum Bell is the 4th RB on my team. So seeing him ranked 3rd by FFI excites me, yeah. I'm also excited seeing 3 of my other RBs being ranked in the Top 12. That gives me 4 RBs in the Top 12 according to FFI. My 5th RB is ranked around 24 and my 6th is a handcuff. And this is in a 12-team, very sharky, 11-year-old dynasty league. So yes, I do know what I'm doing here. If you'd like to see my roster, PM me.

I do agree with FFI however, that when all is said and done, if Bell plays the games that they project him to play in, that he will finish 2005 as the #3 Fantasy Football RB.

And for the record, Shanahan never played the RB-carousel game when he had Terrell. And if Clinton Portis didn't make outragous salary demands, he'd still be in Denver and we wouldn't be having this conversation. The only times Shanahan played the rotating RB game is when his studs were gone and he was left with scrubs like Gary, Anderson, Griffin and Droughns.

Disagree with my opinions all you want, but please don't try taking me to task.

And LHUCKS, maybe I should post a boat load of these to bump my post count?

 

[jurb26]

So, Kit, throughout your entire longwinded post, the point is that you think Bell is as good a RB as Portis and Davis were? Am I correct about this? I don't care if you do or you don't. I would only hope that you can see how this is going out on a limb though. If you read through my several Bell posts, you will find that it is my belief that IF Bell proves to be as good as those 2, then yes he will likely see top 5 numbers. Unlike you, I simply find it unlikely that Bell (or any unproven RB) is as good as those guys. It's a very tough measure to live up too, wouldn't you agree?

 

[B-Deep]

I could easily be a Joe Bryant, but I make my living doing something else; FF is my hobby. I have often said, with some of my buddies who also are total sharks with the same years of experience, that we could easily do what Joe and David and the rest of the staff do.

Simple question...If you could do what they do, why would you need to come here?

Most of us are very thankful for the work these guys do, and while I may not share their oppinions I always value them. I think it is arrogant to think you could do someone else's job easily and just chose not to. I could have been Jason Elam if I would have kicked more in high school...

If you think you could do this just as well, go do it, otherwise don't belittle the people who do just because they had the gaul to disagree with you.

You could easily be a Joe Bryant...that makes me laugh!

 

[Kit Fisto]

So, Kit, throughout your entire longwinded post, the point is that you think Bell is as good a RB as Portis and Davis were? Am I correct about this? I don't care if you do or you don't. I would only hope that you can see how this is going out on a limb though. If you read through my several Bell posts, you will find that it is my belief that IF Bell proves to be as good as those 2, then yes he will likely see top 5 numbers. Unlike you, I simply find it unlikely that Bell (or any unproven RB) is as good as those guys. It's a very tough measure to live up too, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I do think Bell can put up Davis/Portis numbers. And yeah, I agree it's going out on a limb. But I also think sometimes that's what it takes to get over on the other sharks in your leagues. Taking the guy a year before anyone else would... Every year, someone surprises all of us, and someone fails to live up to expectations. Why not Bell this year? I just can't play FF "by the book". Too many variables, and too much luck involved. I play with my gut, works for me. You play it safe, hope it's working for you.

 

[jurb26]

So, Kit, throughout your entire longwinded post, the point is that you think Bell is as good a RB as Portis and Davis were? Am I correct about this? I don't care if you do or you don't. I would only hope that you can see how this is going out on a limb though. If you read through my several Bell posts, you will find that it is my belief that IF Bell proves to be as good as those 2, then yes he will likely see top 5 numbers. Unlike you, I simply find it unlikely that Bell (or any unproven RB) is as good as those guys. It's a very tough measure to live up too, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I do think Bell can put up Davis/Portis numbers. And yeah, I agree it's going out on a limb. But I also think sometimes that's what it takes to get over on the other sharks in your leagues. Taking the guy a year before anyone else would... Every year, someone surprises all of us, and someone fails to live up to expectations. Why not Bell this year? I just can't play FF "by the book". Too many variables, and too much luck involved. I play with my gut, works for me. You play it safe, hope it's working for you.

LOL, well thanks for assuming that you know how I play/draft based off of us disagreeing on one player in the NFL. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I just don't think Bell is that kind of player. Trust me I have gone out on a limb several times on players... Willis last year to name the most recent.I agree with B-Deep, your post are really begining to get funny.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I could easily be a Joe Bryant, but I make my living doing something else; FF is my hobby. I have often said, with some of my buddies who also are total sharks with the same years of experience, that we could easily do what Joe and David and the rest of the staff do.

Simple question...If you could do what they do, why would you need to come here?

Most of us are very thankful for the work these guys do, and while I may not share their oppinions I always value them. I think it is arrogant to think you could do someone else's job easily and just chose not to. I could have been Jason Elam if I would have kicked more in high school...

If you think you could do this just as well, go do it, otherwise don't belittle the people who do just because they had the gaul to disagree with you.

You could easily be a Joe Bryant...that makes me laugh!

I'm not belittling anyone. But yeah, I can write articles, forecast, compile data, etc. As could you. And I'm sure there's more they do that I'm not aware of. But my fantasy football opinions are no less valuable because I don't do it for a living. That's arrogance. And I do value their opinion, when they're not belittling posters for disagreeing with them. It's ballsy to be a professional fantasy footballer, it's just not my professional calling. I could also be a policeman, fireman, ice cream truck driver, Blockbuster shelf-stocker. Just happens I chose the profession I'm in. Doesn't mean it's the only one I could possibly ever do.Why do I come here? To filter through whatever useful information is posted, then move on to the next site.

And guys, the bottom line here is: it's all speculation. I agree with FFI's prediction on Bell. Others don't. I get it. See you at the end of the year.

 

[Kit Fisto]

So, Kit, throughout your entire longwinded post, the point is that you think Bell is as good a RB as Portis and Davis were?  Am I correct about this?  I don't care if you do or you don't. I agree with B-Deep, your post are really begining to get funny.

I thought you didn't care how high I value Bell? Is there a high-five icon you could send B-Deep?

 

[jurb26]

So, Kit, throughout your entire longwinded post, the point is that you think Bell is as good a RB as Portis and Davis were? Am I correct about this? I don't care if you do or you don't. I agree with B-Deep, your post are really begining to get funny.

I thought you didn't care how high I value Bell? Is there a high-five icon you could send B-Deep?

I'll spell it out for you then. What is funny is how you have stated your opinion is out on a limb and that it's OK for us all to have our own opinions. Yet, having stated all of that. You continue on to assume based off our disagreement on one player that you know how I draft (even though you have never been in a single league with me) and not only that but you can do soemone elses job just as good as them if not better becasue they too disagree with you view. So what ever happend to us all being aloud to have our opinions?

Edit: This is slowly turning into a pissing pool, so unless you want to further discuss Bell, I'll take my leave now.

 

[Reaper]

Yes, I do think Bell can put up Davis/Portis numbers. And yeah, I agree it's going out on a limb. But I also think sometimes that's what it takes to get over on the other sharks in your leagues. Taking the guy a year before anyone else would...

Every year, someone surprises all of us, and someone fails to live up to expectations. Why not Bell this year? I just can't play FF "by the book". Too many variables, and too much luck involved. I play with my gut, works for me. You play it safe, hope it's working for you.

In my opinion - And we saw this in the "Expert Draft" thread where someone went after Gonzo and Mcnabb with their 1st two picks.... Is that you simply CANNOT target 1 player as your hero and just go after him balls to the wall....Instead you need to have a group of tiered "similar" players that could Fall to you in a round and get the one at the proper value.... If some Bozo grabs Bell in the First round what that means to you is that 1 more player in your Value tier is about to fall in your lap - Say maybe Dominick Davis or Jamal Lewis.

Bell in the 1st is a ridiculous mistake no matter how you slice it and no matter what his career ends up to be - Even if you were "right' Sharks will know you were really wrong in the game of Value.

It's great if you think you have an edge and have a good idea that so and so player will outperform what the average draft lists are saying BUT - in order to take advantage of that you need to grab him later and get another valued player as well before him..

 

[B-Deep]

I'm not belittling anyone. But yeah, I can write articles, forecast, compile data, etc. As could you. And I'm sure there's more they do that I'm not aware of. But my fantasy football opinions are no less valuable because I don't do it for a living. That's arrogance. And I do value their opinion, when they're not belittling posters for disagreeing with them. It's ballsy to be a professional fantasy footballer, it's just not my professional calling. I could also be a policeman, fireman, ice cream truck driver, Blockbuster shelf-stocker. Just happens I chose the profession I'm in. Doesn't mean it's the only one I could possibly ever do.

Why do I come here? To filter through whatever useful information is posted, then move on to the next site.

And guys, the bottom line here is: it's all speculation. I agree with FFI's prediction on Bell. Others don't. I get it. See you at the end of the year.

So, even though only three people that posted here share your opinion, to call it fringe is insulting, HOWEVER, it's not insulting or belittling to waltz in and tell someone that any John Doe off the street could do their job as well as they can?I'm not going to continue to argue this an drag this forum down, but that was a low blow IMO at the people that run this site. Regardless of your opinions (and yes they are opinions and yours may be just as valid as anyone elses's) insulting people's talents and livelihoods is just not cool.