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Tavon Austin (1 Viewer)

How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
I think his boring OC has been more of an excuse than his QB's. But he didn't look special after the catch very often regardless, which is worrisome considering his skill-set. They need to get more creative with him, yes, but he needs to do better creating on his own.

 
I don't believe Tavon Austin sucks. I just think he is being mishandled and he is not a very bright football player. The physical talent is there. I wouldn't pay much to get him but I think he has nowhere to go but up. I made the mistake of taking him 1.01 the year he was drafted. At the time, I paid less attention to scheme fit and opportunity. In the right system, I think he could thrive. Plus the playbook has to be severely dumbed down.
The physical ability to do what? Be a gadget player? Be exactly who he is already? Austin is already thriving as Dexter McCluster 2.0. Unfortunately, that means he has more NFL value than fantasy value.

 
ShaHBucks said:
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....

 
ShaHBucks said:
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....
Anyone can see that Austin has not been used properly. Just because Quick had success as a 6'3 outside receiver doesnt mean Austin is a gadget player. It means Quick was a better fit for what they were running. Go back and watch Austin's highlights, the guy could ball. Put someone in there who knows how to use him and you watch that "gadget" player take all new forms.
 
So Quick and Bailey were world beaters? Think Brees, Mannings or Brady would get production out of Austin? Even a Matt Stafford could. Many WRs outside of the elite are QB/situation dependent.

I go back and watch some of the Rams games to get a clue if there's anything lurking at WR. The QB play is so bad that it's hard to make definitive calls. Looks like collection of WR3 talents being forced into bigger roles with Quick, Bailey and Austin. No way you blame it all on the OC. He just never deserved the hype in the first place.

 
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Tavon's Ram's Highlights

The first 2 minutes are brutal to watch. Just poor usage and all he can do is catch the ball and fall forward. Starting with the Carolina game around the 2 min mark, you can see what Austin is able to do against quality NFL defenders. It's amazing to me that they haven't figured out how to utilize his talent, especially after using such a high draft pick on him. You'd think they'd work a little harder at it. His run at the 4:45 mark against Arizona is just pure filth.

 
TheFanatic said:
Xue said:
ShaHBucks said:
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....
Catching the ball flat footed is on him. If he were a good receiver he'd be on his toes and breaking into his move when he catches it. But, he's not.

 
TheFanatic said:
Xue said:
ShaHBucks said:
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....
Catching the ball flat footed is on him. If he were a good receiver he'd be on his toes and breaking into his move when he catches it. But, he's not.
While there's some truth to this, there is really no excuse for having a guy his size with his particular skillset running 5 yard hook patterns. That's just bad planning and never made any sense. He was running patterns that a 6'3 guy with the ability to muscle through a tackle for 4 or 5 extra yards should be running.

 
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ShaHBucks said:
So Quick and Bailey were world beaters? Think Brees, Mannings or Brady would get production out of Austin? Even a Matt Stafford could. Many WRs outside of the elite are QB/situation dependent.

I go back and watch some of the Rams games to get a clue if there's anything lurking at WR. The QB play is so bad that it's hard to make definitive calls. Looks like collection of WR3 talents being forced into bigger roles with Quick, Bailey and Austin. No way you blame it all on the OC. He just never deserved the hype in the first place.
Quick and Baiiley are real WRs. Andrew Hawkins and Taylor Gabriel were the Browns' top 2 WRs and looked fine with Brian Hoyer and they're the same size as Austin. They're also real WRs.

 
ShaHBucks said:
So Quick and Bailey were world beaters? Think Brees, Mannings or Brady would get production out of Austin? Even a Matt Stafford could. Many WRs outside of the elite are QB/situation dependent.

I go back and watch some of the Rams games to get a clue if there's anything lurking at WR. The QB play is so bad that it's hard to make definitive calls. Looks like collection of WR3 talents being forced into bigger roles with Quick, Bailey and Austin. No way you blame it all on the OC. He just never deserved the hype in the first place.
Quick and Baiiley are real WRs. Andrew Hawkins and Taylor Gabriel were the Browns' top 2 WRs and looked fine with Brian Hoyer and they're the same size as Austin. They're also real WRs.
In 5 combined seasons Quick and Bailey have 8 real TDs. 1 of those are Baileys. I don't know what you mean by real or fine, but I'm referring to fantasy football. Quick can catch an occasional jumpball. Ok. Bailey is a slot/possession WR. Austin is not real? W/e, but none of them should be a teams #1 WR. Perhaps they shouldn't even be your number 2 WR either considering the talents from the past two draft classes.

Look at Denver with Tebow vs Manning. Or Decker in NY. QBs make a difference when it comes to so-so talent.

 
TheFanatic said:
Xue said:
ShaHBucks said:
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....
Catching the ball flat footed is on him. If he were a good receiver he'd be on his toes and breaking into his move when he catches it. But, he's not.
While there's some truth to this, there is really no excuse for having a guy his size with his particular skillset running 5 yard hook patterns. That's just bad planning and never made any sense. He was running patterns that a 6'3 guy with the ability to muscle through a tackle for 4 or 5 extra yards should be running.
Desean Jackson runs those routes all the time. You need them to set up the deep routes. At Austin's size he's not going to make a living on crossing routes.

 
Have him be Meggett or Kevin Faulk. Those two "killed ya" on third downs and shifted out wide sometimes when they were younger.

There's gotta be plays where he doesn't get it OR doesn't have the QB staring at him the whole route and last second throw elsewhere. I can pick out when he's getting the rock pretty well and if I can, the Ds can. He's just not subbed in well at all.

If he's in on every 3rd down, maybe they pass it to the WRs and TE, maybe he gets a screen. There is at least some normal sort of wonder of what the offense will do. There's also a good likelihood that he'll catch a screen and have some room to "do his thing."

At this point, I also wonder about his confidence and the coaching staff's confidence in him. There's no reason he can't establish himself as another Meggett and then they give him some plays at WR and increase his role. Ya gotta get him using those wheels though.

 
TheFanatic said:
Xue said:
ShaHBucks said:
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....
Catching the ball flat footed is on him. If he were a good receiver he'd be on his toes and breaking into his move when he catches it. But, he's not.
While there's some truth to this, there is really no excuse for having a guy his size with his particular skillset running 5 yard hook patterns. That's just bad planning and never made any sense. He was running patterns that a 6'3 guy with the ability to muscle through a tackle for 4 or 5 extra yards should be running.
Exactly. I think 8 of his first 10 catches were plays where her ran three yards and turned around and waited for the ball. That's not his fault. He's lighting fast, but he's not going to outrun LB's in full stride from standing still. A hook pattern is not something you can catch on the fly. It just doesn't work that way.

Where were the five wide patterns with everyone going deep and him running a slant one on one with a CB or a LB giving him all sorts of room after the catch? That should've been called at least six times a game with at least 2 of them directed at Tavon and the rest decoys to get guys to play off Tavon.

 
How can you really judge the guy with the QB's he's had?
Brian Quick and Stedman Bailey looked fine with the same QBs.
I agree with the comment above. It had more to do with the OC. How many short button hooks had he run where he catches the ball flat footed? The guy needs to be hit in stride, not standing still.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Tavon Austin is a Chess Piece but Schotty can only play checkers....
Catching the ball flat footed is on him. If he were a good receiver he'd be on his toes and breaking into his move when he catches it. But, he's not.
While there's some truth to this, there is really no excuse for having a guy his size with his particular skillset running 5 yard hook patterns. That's just bad planning and never made any sense. He was running patterns that a 6'3 guy with the ability to muscle through a tackle for 4 or 5 extra yards should be running.
Desean Jackson runs those routes all the time. You need them to set up the deep routes. At Austin's size he's not going to make a living on crossing routes.
Jackson did NOT run those "all the time" while in Philly. Most of his routes were deep patterns or medium length crossing routes. An occasional WR screen or end around maybe, but rarely was he standing still when the ball was delivered to him. You simply can't make a living on those types of patterns with diminutive speed guys. No more than 1 or 2 targets a game should be of that type, and it seemed like MOST of Austin's targets were like that.

 
Jackson did NOT run those "all the time" while in Philly. Most of his routes were deep patterns or medium length crossing routes. An occasional WR screen or end around maybe, but rarely was he standing still when the ball was delivered to him. You simply can't make a living on those types of patterns with diminutive speed guys. No more than 1 or 2 targets a game should be of that type, and it seemed like MOST of Austin's targets were like that.
Agree.

The Colts and Cardinals are able to get their small, fast WR's open, I see no reason why a good OC wouldn't be able to do the same with Austin.

 
Didn't see all of these quotes posted:

From Nick Wagoner at ESPN:

Entering his third season, Austin says he has made it a point to block out what others have to say but he hasn't been able to completely avoid the criticism. It's part of why Austin views this season as critically important to his NFL future.

"I think it’s real big to be honest just because of how the media say I’m a bust and all of that stuff," Austin said. "I really don’t pay too much attention to it but I know one thing about it is when I’m focused, I’m focused. It’s going to be a different story this year and we’ll see what happens when we get to the end of the year."

From Jim Thomas at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

In the continuing efforts to get Tavon Austin more involved in the offense, Cignetti liked what he saw from the wide receiver this spring.

"Tavon Austin’s had a great offseason," Cignetti said. "It starts in the classroom. He’s learning. He’s paying attention. He’s bringing it to the practice field.

"You just see it from his route running. What a difference. His effort, his attention to details. Every day out there, the guy’s made plays."

From Elisabeth Meinecke:

"Basically, it depends on opportunity," Austin says. "Last year, I didn't have too many opportunities out there. Different offensive coordinator, different quarterback. I'm just thankful -- things are working out in my favor right now and hopefully, everything just keeps going my way."

With new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti's system, Austin feels his role is changing.

"He definitely comes and talks to me a lot, asking me what I see out there, what I like," Austin says. "He tries to get me a little more involved in our offense. So I'm definitely happy with that."

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/6/22/8807267/st-louis-rams-tavon-austin-news-updates

 
Rotoworld:

Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt are listed as the first-team wideouts on the Rams' first unofficial depth chart.

We wouldn't read too much into this at all. Brian Quick (shoulder) will be the starter opposite Britt soon and Austin will resume his role as a gadget player. Austin averaged 2.9 targets per game last season.

Related: Kenny Britt, Brian Quick

Source: Nick Wagoner on Twitter
Aug 10 - 11:34 AM
 
Put me in the boat that thinks Fisher hasn't used Tavon correctly.

Would much rather see him in Philly, or any offense that would give him room to shine.

This is partially on Fisher and his OCs IMHO.

 
Rotoworld:

Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt are listed as the first-team wideouts on the Rams' first unofficial depth chart.

We wouldn't read too much into this at all. Brian Quick (shoulder) will be the starter opposite Britt soon and Austin will resume his role as a gadget player. Austin averaged 2.9 targets per game last season.

Related: Kenny Britt, Brian Quick

Source: Nick Wagoner on Twitter
Aug 10 - 11:34 AM
Ok, Rotoworld...

"This has nothing to do with Tavon. It's not a reflection on what he's done," Fisher added. "Tavon has done everything he possibly can. He's in great shape, and he's highly talented and a passionate teammate. This has been more about the circumstances of our situation. This potentially could be a breakout year for him. Because he's got the potential to win outside and inside."
 
“Tavon is doing great -- very impressed with him,” offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti said, praising Austin’s work ethic. “When you watch him out here he’s becoming an outstanding route runner. From his releases, top of the route, his revolutions, [he’s] getting tremendous separation.”

“It’s a point of emphasis to get everybody open,” Cignetti added. “But Tavon, because he has a certain skill set, there are certain things you would like to do with him to him into a position to get touches.”
 
Tavon's Ram's Highlights

The first 2 minutes are brutal to watch. Just poor usage and all he can do is catch the ball and fall forward. Starting with the Carolina game around the 2 min mark, you can see what Austin is able to do against quality NFL defenders. It's amazing to me that they haven't figured out how to utilize his talent, especially after using such a high draft pick on him. You'd think they'd work a little harder at it. His run at the 4:45 mark against Arizona is just pure filth.
That was pretty sick.

 
Looked like the same garbage tonight

On the INT, he looked unsure where to go, what to do with two defenders on him, then he ran a bit but the D was all over that screen pass and Cox was off to the races.

Horrible play call and what I can tell you from watching Fisher for a zillion years is that isn't going away. He has zero concern for overly predictable plays and wants them to execute anyway.

I expect every team now to have that LB cheat toward him til he burns them. Titans made that look way too easy.

One play is not the end of the world and he's not the first to have Lebeau surprise him and leave him confused, but I was looking for excitement from him tonight and didn't see any....again

 
I grabbed him for $1 on a deeper league. I think they definitely want him to be involved, as he is in in running plays. I think there is some upside.

 
Activated him in dynasty week 1, what to think about him now. He may have some value in a trade or playing.

 
Interested to hear how he's looked from folks watching the games -- obviously a terror once he has the ball, would really like to know what types of routes he's being targeted on. If he's running the whole tree it'll be very encouraging. He's only in year three, and Foles >>> Bradford as far as pushing the ball vertically.

 
I plucked him off of waivers before the season started. Haven't used him yet but it is nice watching them figure out how to get him involved. With Gurley now coming into his own, this may be a situation to monitor. The guy has loads of talent. I believe the Rams are figuring this out as well and are finding ways to feature him in the offense. Love it. Pretty good "gadget" numbers so far. Lol.

 
Kind of snuck up on me, but Austin has 4 TDs through four games (2 receiving, 1 rushing and 1 return).

New OC Cignetti praised his route running work in the offseason. He has been criticized for his hands, but the long completion (30-40 yards?) with tight coverage and second TD reception showed good hands. He continues to get a few carries per game.

The light could be coming on for Austin.

The emergence of a dominant looking Gurley (faster, more elusive Eddie George) doesn't hurt.

 
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Probably because of his NFL draft position and the fact that a number of new guys have dominated in their rookie seasons, he was given a shorter leash by fantasy owners than most new players, but I guess he's just a traditional WR for whom everything finally clicked in his 3rd year.

 
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Probably because of his NFL draft position and the fact that a number of new guys have dominated in their rookie seasons, he was given a shorter leash by fantasy owners than most new players, but I guess he's just a traditional WR for whom everything finally clicked in his 3rd year.
I thought he may be suffering the short Desmond Howard syndrome, may be a good returner but not receiver but they have found ways to use him. I haven't started him yet but may soon. The league I have him in gets return yards.

 
Unrostered in my 12 team Superflex dynasty. Thinking of blowing my cash for him.

 
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Kind of snuck up on me, but Austin has 4 TDs through four games (2 receiving, 1 rushing and 1 return).

New OC Cignetti praised his route running work in the offseason. He has been criticized for his hands, but the long completion (30-40 yards?) with tight coverage and second TD reception showed good hands. He continues to get a few carries per game.

The light could be coming on for Austin.

The emergence of a dominant looking Gurley (faster, more elusive Eddie George) doesn't hurt.
All of this. He looked polished and oh-so-shifty last week. I agree the light seems to be coming. I think Tavon is seeing Gurley show why he was picked so early, he wants to show off what he has too... I didn't really like him coming out, but he's learning to use his agility it seems. Really like his potential and usage in this new offense.

 
Like I said in another thread (and I see it above), Foles had great success with a burner in Desean Jackson. I see Austin being able to fill that role. He seems to be getting more comfortable each week with Nick. With the running game starting to click, he could have a really nice break out season.

 
He's still on my bench until he can do it two weeks in a row... I need to see consistent yardage out of him. TD's are too fluky to bank on...

 
He's still on my bench until he can do it two weeks in a row... I need to see consistent yardage out of him. TD's are too fluky to bank on...
Yeah had him and C Mike left over from the rookie years. Activated him but haven't started him over Emmanual Sanders, Maclin and Jordan Matthews yet. Maybe the bye week.

In that league I do get minor return yards and scores, so that's something. 85 punt return yards nets 3.40.

 
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Not sure if is finally clicking, or if he finally has a halfway decent QB and OC. Either way, good to see.
He's a punt returner who plays WR sometimes. He'll have decent fantasy games when he scores a TD. That's it. Think Devin Hester.

 
Not sure if is finally clicking, or if he finally has a halfway decent QB and OC. Either way, good to see.
He's a punt returner who plays WR sometimes. He'll have decent fantasy games when he scores a TD. That's it. Think Devin Hester.
He's leading the team in receptions, has 3x as many receiving TD's as the next WR, and has a rushing TD.
Devin Hester led the Bears in receiving in 2008 and 2009. He finished just inside the top 50 WRs both years.

 
Great game for him, but he is easily the most frustrating fantasy player I've ever owned. He'll follow this up with 2 straight games of 4 touches for 20 yards

 

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