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Not sure if I am following the comparison there.How about Jahvid Best?
Not sure if I am following the comparison there.How about Jahvid Best?
Linehan was OC for Detroit when Jahvid Best played there. As a rookie he had 1,000 yards from scrimmage, and in his sophomore year he was on pace for a lot more before he busted his head.Not sure if I am following the comparison there.
$3 millionAside from the Jones quote, the article explains some reasons for optimism, in that at least they have a plan to use him on offense. Yeah, it's a may fluff piece so you can ignore it. But the Dallas traded a 6th round pick for him to take on his $5 million salary, expensive for a kick returner. This implies they will use him as more than a special teamer. How much more, IDK. I'm not telling anybody to trade their first round rookie pick for him. He's just worth a flyer.
Cowboys OC Scott Linehan expects Tavon Austin to get most of his snaps at receiver.
"We’ll use him for a lot of things, but he’s a receiver first," said Linehan. "Some of his skill set is as an outside receiver, but he can move around." This throws shade on reports the Cowboys plan to use Austin in a Lance Dunbar role. Austin should see an uptick from the last year's 81 touches, but remains unlikely to make a fantasy impact.
Source: Brandon George on Twitter
May 12 - 4:09 PM
This has been said time and time again about a lot of players of his skillset. I am trying to remember a time in which it became a reality.Tavon Austin - WR - Cowboys
Dak Prescott said Tavon Austin will be used all over the formation with the Cowboys.
"Coaches have a great plan, whether it's getting him out of the backfield, lining him up at X, lining him up at Z, putting him in the slot," Prescott said. "He's a guy we get the ball in his hands, he'll score some points and get a bunch of yards in this offense." Earlier this month, EVP Stephen Jones said Austin is a "web back" who they want to get "a dozen to two dozen" touches per game. Consider us skeptical, but the Cowboys are shoveling as much coal into the hype train as possible.
Source: Jon Machota on Twitter
May 24 - 11:47 AM
https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/999669585912578048
can't deny your point, but considering his cost (he's a free agent in most leagues) is he worth a stash? all it costs is a roster spotThis has been said time and time again about a lot of players of his skillset. I am trying to remember a time in which it became a reality.
I am sure he will have a role but I would not anticipate much FF production. Depending on game flow he will probably be sprinkled in the backfield and have a few chances in space in the passing game.can't deny your point, but considering his cost (he's a free agent in most leagues) is he worth a stash? all it costs is a roster spot
Darren Sproles, Le'Veon Bell, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez, Ty Montgomery and Tarik Cohen are a couple of players that come to mind immediately as players that have lined up in the backfield, split out wide and in the slot.This has been said time and time again about a lot of players of his skillset. I am trying to remember a time in which it became a reality.
Correct. All those players bring a much higher skillset than Austin IMO. He is more of a gadget player and those typically do not have a large portion of the offense devoted to them.Darren Sproles, Le'Veon Bell, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez, Ty Montgomery and Tarik Cohen are a couple of players that come to mind immediately as players that have lined up in the backfield, split out wide and in the slot.
Harvin is probably the one on most recent memory. Duke Johnson fits too but it seems to be easier to succeed if you are a rb masquerading as a wr, not the other way around. Plus, Austin hasn’t been particularly good at any point in his career. Austin is a better Cordorelle Patterson and a worse Percy Harvin, that means he will probably be unusable. The only teams recently who seem to make these kinds of guys shine are the ones who draft them with a purpose in mindCorrect. All those players bring a much higher skillset than Austin IMO. He is more of a gadget player and those typically do not have a large portion of the offense devoted to them.
lol right. I highly doubt that. The team would have to innovate A LOT for that to happen. Like go with 2 RB sets, and audible the RB from the backfield to the LOS at times. Don't see that happening. Would be pretty dope though.
You forgot to bump the Michael Gallup and Allen Hurns threadsthe lone star said:lol right. I highly doubt that. The team would have to innovate A LOT for that to happen. Like go with 2 RB sets, and audible the RB from the backfield to the LOS at times. Don't see that happening. Would be pretty dope though.
Whats wrong with Beasley?I'm really interested to see what Austin can do in camp.
Much rather have him or Thompson in the slot as opposed to Beasley (again, if they look good in camp).
There's nothing really wrong with Beasley. He's just a guy, IMO. A mediocre starting slot WR.Whats wrong with Beasley?
I see Beasley played in 15 games last season, but he only started in 4 of them. He was 4th on the team in targets, but his performance wasn't as good as it had been the previous two seasons. He did still score 4 TD though.
To me this is the key to Austins opportunity. If he can beat out Beasley then I think there are enough targets for Austin to perhaps be worth having. If not then he is blocked behind Gallup, Hurns, Thompson, Williams.
Interesting that ourlads lists Austin as the starting slot WR right now. Is this based off of something in Cowboys news recently?
I wonder about Williams due to his recent car crash incident. He hasn't been all that good prior to this either. I think there is a good chance for Gallup and Hurns to take the start from him, but I don't follow the Cowboys as closely as I do other teams.
NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal reports Tavon Austin was frequently lined up "out wide" on the first day of Cowboys training camp.
The Cowboys have talked up using "web back" Austin all over the formation. That apparently includes the outside for a team with one of the league's sorriest receiver corps. If Austin is going to come into fantasy value this season, it will be through blunt force usage, and likely limited to PPR formats.
Source: Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter
Jul 26 - 3:20 PM
I can't believe he is mostly going undrafted with how many touches he is going to get. He's going to get damn near 300 touches.
I know mathematically it's tough to do but they will just have to scale Zeke's role back a bit. Plus if you are in a fantasy league that has a webback positional requirement, he should the 1.01 in every draft.Ah, ok.
SPEED KILLSI know mathematically it's tough to do but they will just have to scale Zeke's role back a bit. Plus if you are in a fantasy league that has a webback positional requirement, he should the 1.01 in every draft.
Six in one, half dozen other but I think Stephen Jones said it.Jerry Jones said so!
You can't prove Jerry hasn't also said it so I stand by the original statement.Six in one, half dozen other but I think Stephen Jones said it.
That is a good thought. I was thinking more like the old Wing T. Zeke would make a nice lead blocker for Tavon Awesome.Tavon Austin on a wheel route? I mean, why not, right? Not every week, because there are some bad people playing linebacker in the NFL. LOL.
In all seriousness, The Cowboys offense is wide open for a secondary weapon. There is a chance Austin could have a Duke Johnsonish season.I am def intrigued. Really have no idea what round to start thinking about grabbing him tho.
Yeah, especially in deeper leagues- why not take him super late. After a game or two, if he isn't getting touches than he's the guy to cut for the hot WW pick-up.I’m not expecting top 10 numbers or anything but considering he is on no ones radar you have to imagine the value is there in spades.
Yeah... was gonna say. All the jokes are fine but they have no real reliable WR or TE. Hurns is intriguing given his history, but aside from him... Austin is interesting. I'm a big-time buyer in best-ball leagues and will probably snag him in traditional redrafts once I feel pretty comfortable at RB.In all seriousness, The Cowboys offense is wide open for a secondary weapon. There is a chance Austin could have a Duke Johnsonish season.
Horrible shtick.I know mathematically it's tough to do but they will just have to scale Zeke's role back a bit. Plus if you are in a fantasy league that has a webback positional requirement, he should the 1.01 in every draft.
Answer: Because there are other guys you can take super late who are more likely to have significant upside. He's been in the league 6 years and hasn't hit 1000 rushing+receiving yards yet. His last two seasons combined don't add up to 1000 total yards. You're about as likely to get a huge season out of Devin Hester.Ilov80s said:Yeah, especially in deeper leagues- why not take him super late. After a game or two, if he isn't getting touches than he's the guy to cut for the hot WW pick-up.
I like Rod Smith a lot. The only issue with Rod is that the only way he’s likely to have any value is if Zeke is hurt so drafting him means committing to a potentially dead roster spot all year. I typically avoid handcuffs because 9 times out of 10 I just end up cutting them after week 1 or 2 for someone that broke out. With Austin there is at least a very very small chance he’s playable. It is as much a bet on how void of talent the Dallas offense is as much as any kind of bet on Austin. And again, this is a very late pick in a deep league.Answer: Because there are other guys you can take super late who are more likely to have significant upside. He's been in the league 6 years and hasn't hit 1000 rushing+receiving yards yet. His last two seasons combined don't add up to 1000 total yards. You're about as likely to get a huge season out of Devin Hester.
How about Rod Smith (who's being selected later) as an alternative? If Elliott goes down he's immediately a solid fantasy RB, unlike Austin.
Rod Smith scored more points in 2017 than Austin did. His week 13 game against the Giants (6/47/1, 5/113/1) is better than any game Austin has had in his 6-year career.I like Rod Smith a lot. The only issue with Rod is that the only way he’s likely to have any value is if Zeke is hurt so drafting him means committing to a potentially dead roster spot all year. I typically avoid handcuffs because 9 times out of 10 I just end up cutting them after week 1 or 2 for someone that broke out. With Austin there is at least a very very small chance he’s playable. It is as much a bet on how void of talent the Dallas offense is as much as any kind of bet on Austin. And again, this is a very late pick in a deep league.
I am not going out of my way to take him- I mean I basically came here to mock him. I realize how bad he has been. He is only worth drafting in the deepest of formats. My main point is that a guy like Austin will allow us to see what his role is right away where Rod Smith is the kind of player that isn't likely to provide anything unless Zeke is hurt. Depending on roster sizes, etc. those kinds of players can be difficult to carry through a season and result in burning a roster spot holding onto a backup while other plays are breaking out and getting picked up by competitors. In most leagues, you could draft Austin, see him do nothing in weeks 1 and 2, then drop him for Rod Smith.Rod Smith scored more points in 2017 than Austin did. His week 13 game against the Giants (6/47/1, 5/113/1) is better than any game Austin has had in his 6-year career.
The point is that the roster spot you use on Austin isn't free. It's taking the place of another player who might have upside. There's little evidence that Austin is capable of becoming as good as Darren Sproles, let alone Duke Johnson.
Obviously would not have happened without the Zeke suspensionRod Smith scored more points in 2017 than Austin did.
Sure, but isn't that what upside is? Do you really need Austin's 50 yard per game production, knowing that if Elliot goes down, he might go up to 70 yards per game? It's pretty clear that the better "swing for the fences" pick is the one that can produce a lot of points given the opportunity, not the one who will produce a small number of points no matter what the situation is. "Just stash him at the end of your bench, and then you can drop him later" is missing the point; the better owner in your league will already have the player you want, stashed at the end of his bench.Obviously would not have happened without the Zeke suspension
Nimrod Smith is just taking up space on your bench when you could be rostering players actually scoring fantasy points.Sure, but isn't that what upside is? Do you really need Austin's 50 yard per game production, knowing that if Elliot goes down, he might go up to 70 yards per game? It's pretty clear that the better "swing for the fences" pick is the one that can produce a lot of points given the opportunity, not the one who will produce a small number of points no matter what the situation is. "Just stash him at the end of your bench, and then you can drop him later" is missing the point; the better owner in your league will already have the player you want, stashed at the end of his bench.