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TE Brock Bowers, LV (23 Viewers)

RaidersAreOne said:
jtd13 said:
Can Bowers still be a league winner with ridder the rest of the way? The QB injuries are a concerning development.
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#1 and #2 QBs out for the season is wild. It's not like they were good or anything but still man.

Bowers will still eat imo. We will be down early and often, and he's clearly our best player. I think Ridder would be insane not to make him the cog to our passing game.
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Yep. Bowers will still get his. I’d be more concerned about Meyers.
 
-OZ- said:
RaidersAreOne said:
jtd13 said:
Can Bowers still be a league winner with ridder the rest of the way? The QB injuries are a concerning development.
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#1 and #2 QBs out for the season is wild. It's not like they were good or anything but still man.

Bowers will still eat imo. We will be down early and often, and he's clearly our best player. I think Ridder would be insane not to make him the cog to our passing game.
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Yep. Bowers will still get his. I’d be more concerned about Meyers.
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Ridder is pretty terrible. A little concerned.

What may keep even Ridder afloat is the schedule: ATL, JAX, @NO. Three terrible defenses.
 
So why were they taking Bowers out on 3rd and 2 plays throughout the game. There were at least 3 different occasions where he wasn't even in the game on 3rd and reasonable yds. It made zero sense. Any thoughts on why?
 
Gally said:
So why were they taking Bowers out on 3rd and 2 plays throughout the game. There were at least 3 different occasions where he wasn't even in the game on 3rd and reasonable yds. It made zero sense. Any thoughts on why?
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Didn't see the game, but perplexed by the targets. Mayer dramatically out targeting Bowers just seems stupid unless the Raiders are truly in tank mode like a couple of my Raider buddies are absolutely glowing about lol
 
efactor said:
Gally said:
So why were they taking Bowers out on 3rd and 2 plays throughout the game. There were at least 3 different occasions where he wasn't even in the game on 3rd and reasonable yds. It made zero sense. Any thoughts on why?
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Didn't see the game, but perplexed by the targets. Mayer dramatically out targeting Bowers just seems stupid unless the Raiders are truly in tank mode like a couple of my Raider buddies are absolutely glowing about lol
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Not sure it’s “stupid” .. Mayer, lest we forget, is an elite TE - of course Bowers is on another level, but there IS a world that they can both exist. They are arguably the best offensive weapons that the raiders have. If not for bowers? I would have put Mayers in the McBride type season this year.

Bowers is all world. But Mayer is legit.
 
Disappeared faster than his hairline.

Still a great dynasty/keeper asset, but collapses like this when it counts (in fantasy) are hard to stomach.
 
He was a decoy for most of yesterday. They had him running routes to clear out space for 5 yard dump passes for like 80% of their drives - most of which like 6 plays or less.

Ridder is worthless. Aiden at least gives them a bit of offense so hopefully is back or we are looking at another 4 catch for 28 yards type game.

Not a big shock but Raiders are just a rudderless org.
 
I have three fantasy teams this year. One keeper league (18th season) and two redraft leagues. Rostered Brock on all three. No coincidence I’m in three championship games this week.

Show me the money Brock.
 
ffmail4me said:
And to think what he did with complete garbage from the QB position. :oops:
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I've seen people say the state of our QB play + lack of other weapons actually benefits him, as the passing game is forced through him via short easy completions. What they also fail to mention is just how many missed throws he experienced (Multiple TDs) and the fact the D only has to focus on him / put their best cover S/CB/LB on him.

Dude is a freaking elite player who's only going to get better. Definitely could be on a HOF trajectory (As corny as that sounds only given one season).
 
I’ve noticed in their 2 preseason games so far he’s only played a few snaps with starters.

He’s the one starter they usually kept off the field with the other starters. They left in Geno, Jeanty, Meyers and the starting OL after they pulled him.

That’s a sign of his status and value to the offense/team.

This is not a surprise, but good to see with all the changes around him.

And yeah Bald Bowers looks a lot more bad *** and that catch today was not TE like.
 
Bald Bowers appears to be a football-playing cyborg sent back in time from a dystopian future. He can't be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he will not stop, ever, until he reaches the end zone.
 
How about putting a little respect on the greatest rookie TE in NFL history's name... It's Bald Bowser, thank you very much.
 
Somehow it feels like he's still being slept on a bit. Maybe some more target competition, sure, but he's a year removed from the surgery he had in college and got a sizeable QB upgrade.
 
jtd13 said:
Somehow it feels like he's still being slept on a bit. Maybe some more target competition, sure, but he's a year removed from the surgery he had in college and got a sizeable QB upgrade.
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Had a big redraft draft yesterday. 1st (non rookie only) draft of the year. Was OTC at pick 30 and was about to pick Bowers. Then the guy with pick 34 offered me a swap of those picks and also a swap of his 7th and my 12th round picks. I took the risk, and Bowers dropped to me at 34! Super pumped!!!

McBride went 28th. Kittle went 36th.

SF, another flex. PPR 12 team.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
 
Leroy Hoard said:
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
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I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
 
Chaka said:
Leroy Hoard said:
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
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I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
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That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
 
travdogg said:
Chaka said:
Leroy Hoard said:
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
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I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
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That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
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last yr there was no offense to speak of for the Raiders; no steady QB play, no RB could move the chains and Meyers is at his best a WR2... this yr its a better Staff, much Better QB to move the ball, Monster RB to move the chains and some additions at WR to open up the field. yeah Bowers isn't going to get 117 Recs again but I can see roughly 90ish Recs with much better quality yards and it wouldn't be hard to imagine double digit TDs.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
Leroy Hoard said:
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
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If I'm being honest, I don't know why he's being valued any differently than Nabors/Thomas.
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Just league setup differentiation right? 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and a FLEX spot or two that have to be filled. Taking the TE that early just weakens your secondary options in those spots.
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?
 
travdogg said:
Chaka said:
Leroy Hoard said:
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
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I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
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That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
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I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
 
Capella said:
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?
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Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

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KellysHeroes said:
Capella said:
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?
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Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

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1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
 
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Capella said:
KellysHeroes said:
Capella said:
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?
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Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

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1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
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As self-appointed president of the Brock Bowers fan club, I think there's an argument that McBride or Kittle later is a better value that makes sense. McBride won't make it back to 3.11, but Kittle could.

I also think that one can make a strong argument that Bowers should be a top 5 pick, based on historic rookie year with doo-doo at QB, positive TD regression, and positional scarcity. If I was picking at the turn, at either end, I would probably be aiming at Bowers or McBride at one end or the other.
 
massraider said:
Capella said:
KellysHeroes said:
Capella said:
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?
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Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

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1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
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As self-appointed president of the Brock Bowers fan club, I think there's an argument that McBride or Kittle later is a better value that makes sense. McBride won't make it back to 3.11, but Kittle could.

I also think that one can make a strong argument that Bowers should be a top 5 pick, based on historic rookie year with doo-doo at QB, positive TD regression, and positional scarcity. If I was picking at the turn, at either end, I would probably be aiming at Bowers or McBride at one end or the other.
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Yea I don’t think McBride gets back to me. I don’t want Kittle, he’s just too much of an injury risk at that draft slot. I think I’m going to go with Brock here but feels like it could ruin a season too.
 
My dilemma on him is in the FFPC leagues I mainly play he's a mid first. I don't prefer him in that range over some WR/RB options but I'll be doing over 20 league managed teams in this format and I feel like I need to "sacrifice" at least one of them due to FOMO. Because while I'm uneasy with all the changes there is for sure a world out there that's not at all hard to see where he takes it up a whole other level.

And fwiw in this format you can't get McBride in mid second or often with any second, very rare to get Kittle in mid 3. So if you do pass on Bowers in round one you likely won't get be getting one of the Big 3 TE's. Which is fine, just pointing out passing on Bowers to take one of the other 2 later does not really work unless you take Kittle in round 2.
 
Grahamburn said:
TheDirtyWord said:
Leroy Hoard said:
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
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If I'm being honest, I don't know why he's being valued any differently than Nabors/Thomas.
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Just league setup differentiation right? 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and a FLEX spot or two that have to be filled. Taking the TE that early just weakens your secondary options in those spots.
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My league setup is 1 RB, 1WR and 2 FLEX with 1 TE. So you can start RB\RB\WR\WR, RB\WR\WR\WR or RB\RB\RB\WR. I've struggled in the past with how to value TEs in this format, or if the starting requirements make much difference to it at all
 
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