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Does it? They have been trying find a second TE for years and with Gronkowski’s uncertainty, it makes sense they would be open to drafting a TE.
He is ofcourse playing much tougher competition that Goedert.
Why Hurst? He isn't the super athletic, he was just average in terms of production and that is as a 24 year old. Gesicki is 22, Goeder is 23. Hell, Njoku is still 21.
Hurst will turn 25 during the season I believe. I’ve heard some defend it as if he will skip over traditional TE development. Guy is super old for a prospect and I think it’s a black mark for him.
Probably should have specified I meant in real NFL. Still they are my top 2 fantasy TE's now, but if Gesicki ended up in New Orleans you can be sure I'll sing a different tune.
So, the second coming of Tony Scheffler or Jordan Cameron!
I like Gesicki and Goedert for what it’s worth. I’m surprised at how far down he’s gone though. Now Hayden Hurst is being talked about over him. I’m sure people are looking at Shaheen and Everett from last year too and thinking the guy is going to end up more of a project than advertised.
They're closer than I think you're leading on. Goedert has better blocking overall and can do a little more in probably all facets but it's very similar to OJ Howard vs Engram in my mind. Not quite at that level though. Engram couldn't block at all and is more WR than anything else, while OJ had a more complete package deal coming out. Same with Goedert vs Gesicki. I think landing spot reveals a lot of what they'll be used as. Engram landed perfectly that they didn't need to use him as a blocker and OJ was a little bit of everything. Both holding their value, if not improving on it.
Gesicki is a volleyball player playing football. His amazing athleticism never shows up on tape. Goedert is the next Gronk.
he got 21.5% of Penn States offense throughout his career. Against the Big Ten. He looks like George Kittle if Kittle hadn’t been in a class with Njoku, Howard and Engram.
Don't like him brother. I saw the combine numbers got excited. Went to the tape........meh. Draft at your own risk. I'll pass.
I would like him more if he got Kittle’s draft stock and people ignored him in the same fashion. Thinking about ponying up a first for a position that typically takes three years to develop on a prospect that was considered quite raw before the combine is not my cup of tea, no matter how athletic.
Jordan Cameron was a great player, he just couldn't stay healthy. If he had, he'd have been a multiple time pro bowler.
I have Goedert #1 by a wide margin, and Mark Andrews #2, followed by Hurst at #3.
This makes no sense.
I don't know where you are getting the zero drops thing from. He's among the leaders at TE in drops. He had 14 in the last 3 years, though more than half were in 2015.
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What's not showing up is wow plays. I want to say wow. I didn't say wow watching him play one time. I've been wrong before so maybe I'm wrong. He won't be on any of my teams at his current ADP.
I see Goedert being the better of the two simple because Gelsicki couldn't block a Safety to save his life if he had too. Gelsicki looks more like a situational guy and won't get as much playing time. I also read and saw some games where he dropped very catchable passes. Like someone else said he's Coby Fleener esq which I've read and heard from many experts said Goedert makes a lot of great catches is better at blocking then Geisicki but still needs work on it but very consistent. I think if it weren't for injuries he'd be an automatic late first early 2nd rounder. I've seen a lot of PSU games as well living in PSU country. Way too many PSU people Overrate Geisicki. Dude is very inconsistent and like I said his Blocking is as impactful as putting a turnstile gate out there.
Respect your call as a homer, but as someone who only saw a few of their big conference games, it seemed like Gesicki was always making big plays.
I just can’t get behind this at all. In dynasty, when I am drafting TEs (QBs as well), I go upside. I’m drafting athletic freaks who can dominate the position if things break right, because if they don’t it is so cheap to go get a replacement level TE. Gesickis upside is prime Jimmy Graham, and I’ll take a 20% chance of that over a 70% chance of Kyle Rudolph.
Agree 100% with your overall point, but 20% definitely generous when rating his chances of hitting Graham-like prime.
It depends what you mean. Prime Jimmy Graham as in the quality of his play or the level of his production? I would say 20% is a decent number for the chance he reaches Graham's level of play, but the chances he plays that well and ends up in an offense that posts 5000 passing yards and 35+ passing TDs regularly is much much lower.
I’m not sure where people are coming from Fantasy-wise - drafting pre NFL draft? Because it all depends on situation of where he’s drafted. I know that’s obvious but it’s worth stating.
I'd be blown away if he fell to the 3rd. Decent chance he's the 1st TE off the board. I think think he's clearly the best guy, but it seems he, Gesicki and Hurst all have their fans. If the Saints wait until round 3, Mark Andrews would be perfect.
I'm actually not a PSU Homer. I'm a UF fan living in Philly 4 for 5 Sports guy (Eagles.Flyers,Phillies,Union, can't stand the 76ers) who I can't stand the PSU fans. I use to think Notre Dame fans were bad especially the "I'm Irish so that automatically makes me a ND fan" (Given the large Irish Community in my Area) but after the Sandusky issue I realized PSU fans make the ND fans look like a little nat. That whole situation is very close to me consideringI had a relative attempt to abuse me as a child so I really can't stand anyone who tries to defend anyone involved in that. Lost a few HS friends over the ordeal. Gesicki was always making plays this year because he and Barkley were their only options. I likened it to Micheal Carter Williams ROTY with the Sixers and he had great stats but they were incredible padded do to being the only good option they had. I'm not saying Gesiscki is a total bust but he's a one trick pony TE. Dude can't block worth a #### A Turnstile out there does just as good as him as a blocker. His only route he runs consistently is the deap thread where he can use his physicality for 50/50 balls. I watched a lot of PSU this year even though I'm not a fan just because I wanted to see what all the Barkley hype was (Still don't seeing as I saw three SEC RBs who could be just as good and had later in the draft) and Gesiscki did have issues dropping very catchable passes. I think overall he's a nice fit for the Saints. I just don't see him unless he works on more routes and becomes a better blocker being anything more then a situational down guy.
Brees was very outspoken about SProles being traded as well. I remember not liking the Sproles trade for the Eagles stand point as I felt SProles is a luxury guy a team like say a NE can splurge on where my Eagles at the time were rebuilding. At the time there was silly talk from some Eagles fans trading Shady and having SProles replace him as the lead back and I was like "Uh Sproles can't really be a lead back at this point in his career". Either way I remember Bress not being pleased about SProles being gone either.
