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TE Darren Waller, MIA (1 Viewer)

I'll take the Top 5 pick, only because that means they finally walked away from Daniel Jones. Also, Daboll staying is no great thing. People thought he'd turn Jones into a poor man's Josh Allen, and his O is nowhere constructed to let Jones do that.

I thought it was comical watching backup after backup throw deep shots while Daboll pretty much handheld Jones.
 
Pick 131 just now in an underdog draft ahead of Njoku
Well that's just wild (both Waller going ahead of Njoku, and Njoku falling that far) there is a big difference between Waller being a nice pickup for Miami, and Waller being a top-8 TE.

I can see taking a flier on Waller in the Mike Gesicki, Hunter Henry, even Zach Ertz range, but not ahead of Njoku or Engram (I'm assuming), or even the 1st round rookies.

ETA: TE20 or so feels like a fair enough risk/reward for Waller.
 
Pick 131 just now in an underdog draft ahead of Njoku
That feels extreme on a few levels.

I was in a 2 hour slow TEP BB draft that was in late round 19 when this news broke and was kind of sore at the good fortune the teams OTC had to grab him. I was 15 picks away and figured I had no shot but to my surprise they let him go and I grabbed him as TE41 (239 overall). FWIW I had earlier taken Njoku as TE9 (98).

Gave me an odd team build taking Waller, had intended to take a WR with that last pick because the group is a little subpar but felt this was too good to pass up.
 
So by my calculations he's made $41 million in his career. If he retires he's going to write a check back for $9 million and pass on $12 million this year. Play one more year and bank $21 million.
I'm not sure he'll owe the bonus back, maybe you heard otherwise but sometimes they come to an agreement where the team does not try and recoup the money and my guess is that's what will happen here.
I hope the Giants got their bonus money back.
 
waivers ran this morning. Out of $300 FAAB, I put in for $0, one team went $15, the winner bid $20. Which seems reasonable but I wasn’t willing to give anything plus dropping a player.
 
About an hour ago, I did an Underdog superflex draft so it adds two rounds but Njoku went 134 and Waller went 221.
Pick 221 seems about right to me. This underdog 131 is just silly. Just wait till we hear he finally understands his diet and we see a short 10 second clip of him running around cones. Dudes gonna be an 8th round pick after that. Ha ba
 
in my three dynasty leagues, he's going for 10% of the annual allotted dollars, which rollover, so some owners have too much money and not enough sense.
 
Was just sitting there in my free agent pool, and Jalen Royals is a small sacrifice for the entertainment factor alone. I'm in. LFG!
 
Waller is going for too much for my blood because we scale our free agent money in reverse order of finish (I was second, darn it). I was thinking something about the news of his return. He was always hurt those last two or three years. How will this be any different? Did he see a specialist?

I think those are questions to be answered.

eta* I missed massraider's comment here. That is spot-on.
 
These guys seem to have a well grounded view of Waller. It's the first topic in the video.

 
If Waller can stay healthy, AND he is motivated and committed to play in this offense he could be a decent mid range TE each week. To be fair, it wouldn't matter who they got at TE (unless it was a guy like Andrews) I wouldn't be excited. I've said this before, I don't want this offense running through the TE like it did last year - it was bad.

Hill, Waddle and Achane need to be the focus. Waller is a good pass catcher but he should not be one of the first two options on a play.

He quit football once because his head wasn't in it and he was having issues in his personal life. I hope he has that all sorted out and he is in a good space now because if he isn't this season won't go well.
 
I know it's July and all, but in addition to his football-related issues, which alone don't offer Waller a high-percentage chance to make much of an high-value impact (in the NFL, much less FF), but it would appear that people either don't know, don't remember, or are selectively ignoring Waller's personal history - we're talking about someone with deep-seated addiction and mental health issues.
***Credit to him***, it appears he's handling the addiction issues, but, IMHO, based upon what I've read about his life after football, he still has a lot of mental health issues to work through, and actively playing NFL level football generally doesn't allow for that...much less someone who's 'taken a break' from it.

This is a nice, positive article about Waller. Personally, one of my takeaways is that he's not an 'Alpha' and he doesn't love football. Now, it's true that there are many *good* players who don't love football, and are realistic about the business side of it. However, there are very few *great* football players who didn't use love for football as climing a rung on the ladder to greatness...and for a player in his situation, with his history, being able to mount any sort of comeback, much less an impactful one, 'love for football' is going to have to be involved,.if only for only the physical rigors he's about to go through. Again, although it's a nice positive piece, when I read it in the context of him no attempting an NFL comeback, my impression is 'this isn't going anywhere'.



I sincerely wish him the best in his comeback attempt, but situational precedent says it's highly unlikely, and that's not taking his personal issues into account.

Fellas, although I know it's July and it's a feel good story...but this really seems like wish casting and panning for Fool's Gold to me.
 
He let me down with the Giants and I liked their no name backups that filled in. I would have just stayed with that guy and not Theo if I were their GM. Anywho, I had the ugh you're old, thanks for the memories feeling already.

I legit don't care here. I'm curious of course, but I could sincerely care less about him for FF and I say that because I rrrreally benefited from having him for years.
 
He let me down with the Giants and I liked their no name backups that filled in. I would have just stayed with that guy and not Theo if I were their GM. Anywho, I had the ugh you're old, thanks for the memories feeling already.

I legit don't care here. I'm curious of course, but I could sincerely care less about him for FF and I say that because I rrrreally benefited from having him for years.
So what you're saying is that you "could" care less. For me, I couldn't care less about adding him.
 
I know it's July and all, but in addition to his football-related issues, which alone don't offer Waller a high-percentage chance to make much of an high-value impact (in the NFL, much less FF), but it would appear that people either don't know, don't remember, or are selectively ignoring Waller's personal history - we're talking about someone with deep-seated addiction and mental health issues.
***Credit to him***, it appears he's handling the addiction issues, but, IMHO, based upon what I've read about his life after football, he still has a lot of mental health issues to work through, and actively playing NFL level football generally doesn't allow for that...much less someone who's 'taken a break' from it.

This is a nice, positive article about Waller. Personally, one of my takeaways is that he's not an 'Alpha' and he doesn't love football. Now, it's true that there are many *good* players who don't love football, and are realistic about the business side of it. However, there are very few *great* football players who didn't use love for football as climing a rung on the ladder to greatness...and for a player in his situation, with his history, being able to mount any sort of comeback, much less an impactful one, 'love for football' is going to have to be involved,.if only for only the physical rigors he's about to go through. Again, although it's a nice positive piece, when I read it in the context of him no attempting an NFL comeback, my impression is 'this isn't going anywhere'.



I sincerely wish him the best in his comeback attempt, but situational precedent says it's highly unlikely, and that's not taking his personal issues into account.

Fellas, although I know it's July and it's a feel good story...but this really seems like wish casting and panning for Fool's Gold to me.
Glazer has two interviews with him and I think Big Joe did too.
I recognize him at an AA like I've got a problem and I'm dealing with it phase. I think he's in a good spot.
I worry if he gets injured though.

Idk if he's divorced but NFL retirement is very hard. 90+% retire, get divorced, lose custody, and live in some ordinary home. It's a dramatic life change in one year- top/bottom of the world type
 
The more I think about this the more of a non-issue Waller will be IMO.

The last time he finished as a TE1 was 2020. His three years after was TE19 in 2021, TE26 in 2022 and TE21 in 2023.

I'm out.
 
The more I think about this the more of a non-issue Waller will be IMO.

The last time he finished as a TE1 was 2020. His three years after was TE19 in 2021, TE26 in 2022 and TE21 in 2023.

I'm out.

So in a TE premium league you'd pass in the 20th round? Its not like he takes a premium pick to roster.
 


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Drew Rosenhaus, on his WSVN-7 segment, said Darren Waller called him 9 days ago and "he said, 'Drew I've decided I want to play again. I miss football... Love of the game is back, and I want to play for theDolphins." Fins and Giants finalized trade for Waller 5 days later.
 
Outlier seasons by TEs are my nemesis.

PPR points per game (2015-2023)
0.6 - age 22/23
2.5- age 23
3.9- age 24
13.8- age 25
17.4 - age 26
12.1- age 27
9.4- age 28
9.4- age 29
Retired - age 31
?? age 32/33

I invested three years ago thinking he'd be one of the "ages gracefully" tight ends after having done very well in picking him up for his one peak season in redraft. Regrets.

M Andrews
6.7- age 22/23
13.8- age 23/24
12.2- age 24/25
17.7- age 25/26
12.7- age 26/27
13.5- age 27/28
11.1- age 28/29
??? Age 29/30

I made a BAD trade shipping 1.02 for Andrews a couple of years ago thinking the next Kelce/ league advantage TE was Andrews. Regrets.

I've reserved myself to the idea that chasing elite production at TE is sort of a trap. Just rolling a few back end TE1s out there is a safer investment in dynasty capital. If you blow top 7 draft capital, you could end up with LaPorta, Bowers or you could end up with Kincaid. Just kind of a crapshoot.

Me and Hunter Henry at dirt cheap are going to focus on beating you up somewhere else.
 
The more I think about this the more of a non-issue Waller will be IMO.

The last time he finished as a TE1 was 2020. His three years after was TE19 in 2021, TE26 in 2022 and TE21 in 2023.

I'm out.

So in a TE premium league you'd pass in the 20th round? Its not like he takes a premium pick to roster.
I have no interest in him, I will take other TEs. As mentioned before he also had a lot of stuff going on in his personal life including a divorce and mental health issues. He also said he lost the interest to play football. Huntley (when Tua was out) targeted the TE more often. Tua's reads are Hill, Waddle and Achane for the check downs not the TE. And that is how it should be IMO.

I honestly wish him the best and hope things are back on track with his life. But I'll take a different flyer on someone else. He hasn't been relevant for football for 5 years.

I don't think missing on Waller will hurt in fantasy.
 
Outlier seasons by TEs are my nemesis.

PPR points per game (2015-2023)
0.6 - age 22/23
2.5- age 23
3.9- age 24
13.8- age 25
17.4 - age 26
12.1- age 27
9.4- age 28
9.4- age 29
Retired - age 31
?? age 32/33

I invested three years ago thinking he'd be one of the "ages gracefully" tight ends after having done very well in picking him up for his one peak season in redraft. Regrets.

M Andrews
6.7- age 22/23
13.8- age 23/24
12.2- age 24/25
17.7- age 25/26
12.7- age 26/27
13.5- age 27/28
11.1- age 28/29
??? Age 29/30

I made a BAD trade shipping 1.02 for Andrews a couple of years ago thinking the next Kelce/ league advantage TE was Andrews. Regrets.

I've reserved myself to the idea that chasing elite production at TE is sort of a trap. Just rolling a few back end TE1s out there is a safer investment in dynasty capital. If you blow top 7 draft capital, you could end up with LaPorta, Bowers or you could end up with Kincaid. Just kind of a crapshoot.

Me and Hunter Henry at dirt cheap are going to focus on beating you up somewhere else.
You could have done worse. Who was the 1.02 pick that year you lost? Andrew’s hasn’t been prime Kelce but he’s been a consistent advantage at the position. Last year was a rough start but I think we now know that was likely from the car accident. Once he got fully healthy and up to speed, he scored 11 TDs.
 
Outlier seasons by TEs are my nemesis.

PPR points per game (2015-2023)
0.6 - age 22/23
2.5- age 23
3.9- age 24
13.8- age 25
17.4 - age 26
12.1- age 27
9.4- age 28
9.4- age 29
Retired - age 31
?? age 32/33

I invested three years ago thinking he'd be one of the "ages gracefully" tight ends after having done very well in picking him up for his one peak season in redraft. Regrets.

M Andrews
6.7- age 22/23
13.8- age 23/24
12.2- age 24/25
17.7- age 25/26
12.7- age 26/27
13.5- age 27/28
11.1- age 28/29
??? Age 29/30

I made a BAD trade shipping 1.02 for Andrews a couple of years ago thinking the next Kelce/ league advantage TE was Andrews. Regrets.

I've reserved myself to the idea that chasing elite production at TE is sort of a trap. Just rolling a few back end TE1s out there is a safer investment in dynasty capital. If you blow top 7 draft capital, you could end up with LaPorta, Bowers or you could end up with Kincaid. Just kind of a crapshoot.

Me and Hunter Henry at dirt cheap are going to focus on beating you up somewhere else.
You could have done worse. Who was the 1.02 pick that year you lost? Andrew’s hasn’t been prime Kelce but he’s been a consistent advantage at the position. Last year was a rough start but I think we now know that was likely from the car accident. Once he got fully healthy and up to speed, he scored 11 TDs.
Gibbs-JSN.
 
Outlier seasons by TEs are my nemesis.

PPR points per game (2015-2023)
0.6 - age 22/23
2.5- age 23
3.9- age 24
13.8- age 25
17.4 - age 26
12.1- age 27
9.4- age 28
9.4- age 29
Retired - age 31
?? age 32/33

I invested three years ago thinking he'd be one of the "ages gracefully" tight ends after having done very well in picking him up for his one peak season in redraft. Regrets.

M Andrews
6.7- age 22/23
13.8- age 23/24
12.2- age 24/25
17.7- age 25/26
12.7- age 26/27
13.5- age 27/28
11.1- age 28/29
??? Age 29/30

I made a BAD trade shipping 1.02 for Andrews a couple of years ago thinking the next Kelce/ league advantage TE was Andrews. Regrets.

I've reserved myself to the idea that chasing elite production at TE is sort of a trap. Just rolling a few back end TE1s out there is a safer investment in dynasty capital. If you blow top 7 draft capital, you could end up with LaPorta, Bowers or you could end up with Kincaid. Just kind of a crapshoot.

Me and Hunter Henry at dirt cheap are going to focus on beating you up somewhere else.
You could have done worse. Who was the 1.02 pick that year you lost? Andrew’s hasn’t been prime Kelce but he’s been a consistent advantage at the position. Last year was a rough start but I think we now know that was likely from the car accident. Once he got fully healthy and up to speed, he scored 11 TDs.
Gibbs-JSN.
If you think you would have gone JSN then I think no sweat on the deal. But yeah missing on Gibbs stinks obviously.
 
That tweet about calling Rosenhaus and him getting him a deal days later...weird.
No tryout? Just signed on name recognition?
 
That tweet about calling Rosenhaus and him getting him a deal days later...weird.
No tryout? Just signed on name recognition?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he is cut before the season starts.
With regards to working him out I'd say no, was not a FA, could have requested it but did not. I think it was a circle of trust kind of thing where the Dolphins have a good working relationship with Rosenhaus and I'd suggest Waller has been in contact with Frank Smith and they relied on his feedback.

But anytime you trade for a player you don't work them out, only difference here is the was out of football last year. If he can't pass a physical they could always void the trade so that part is really no risk.

With regards to him being cut before the season that's not even entering my thought process. Better chance he failed the physical and the trade got rescinded or suffered an injury in camp which landed him on IR but he was not acquired to try out to make the team.
 
That tweet about calling Rosenhaus and him getting him a deal days later...weird.
No tryout? Just signed on name recognition?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he is cut before the season starts.
With regards to working him out I'd say no, was not a FA, could have requested it but did not. I think it was a circle of trust kind of thing where the Dolphins have a good working relationship with Rosenhaus and I'd suggest Waller has been in contact with Frank Smith and they relied on his feedback.

But anytime you trade for a player you don't work them out, only difference here is the was out of football last year. If he can't pass a physical they could always void the trade so that part is really no risk.

With regards to him being cut before the season that's not even entering my thought process. Better chance he failed the physical and the trade got rescinded or suffered an injury in camp which landed him on IR but he was not acquired to try out to make the team.
OK, let me rephrase that. I wouldn't be surprised either way. You're right however. It's more likely he either fails the physical and is let go, or he just makes the team.
 

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