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TE Noah Fant, CIN (1 Viewer)

Sounds like I am in the minority when saying I think Fant will have a great year (top 10 TE) with Lockett and Metcalf seeing most of attention, should open things on the short to medium routes. Has the talent, just needs to stay healthy.
 
Timmay said:
Sounds like I am in the minority when saying I think Fant will have a great year (top 10 TE) with Lockett and Metcalf seeing most of attention, should open things on the short to medium routes. Has the talent, just needs to stay healthy.
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He won't be a Top Two target on a low volume passing offense. If a TE doesn't get 90 or more targets, then the only path to Top 5 is 10 or more TDs. It's happened twice since 2014 and five times in the last 18 years. Of course that's if you want a Top 5 TE. If the target is Top 10 then you're basically saying you'll be content to outscore two of your league mates.

But even if he is somehow a Top Two target on Seattle, it probably doesn't matter.

The last three years in Denver (playing with the QB he was traded with to Seattle):
In those seasons in PPR Fant finished as the TE16, TE9, and TE12.

He's playing on a team that will likely be below average in pace, YFS and touchdowns. He has scored 3, 4 and 4 TDs in his career.

He may be Top Ten. Personally I'm trying to draft TEs who have a reasonable chance at being Top 5.

Difference between TE5 and TE12:
  • 2017 - 2.3 PPG (full PPR, minimum 10g played)
  • 2018 - 3.0
  • 2019 - 4.7
  • 2020 - 2.5
  • 2021 - 1.9
Average 2.8 PPG, or 42 points over a 15 game seasons (most FF seasons are 14 or 15 games long.)
 
I like your thought process BobbyLayne and appreciate the input. I am really banking on the fact that Seattle's defense is bad and the offense will be forced to throw. Garbage time points out the wazoo for Fant. Sadly when you wait on TE after the top tier guys, you are at least hoping the TE you do get comes in top 10 eoy.
 
Probably fairly underrated this year. If Seattle is tanking as we suspect, I could see Geno dumping off to the TE after coverage is rolled to Metcalf. Hard pass on Metcalf this year. You gotta think about it, last year people were fine with him and his QB situation.

Now, he's radioactive. His QB situation is almost the same or got better, except now he's on a team that doesn't have a Top 5 defense. If anything, I think his situation maybe got a little bit better compared to last year. Looks like Fant is a FA after this season too, that's another thing I like to look for. The more catches in 14+ point losses Fant gets, the more money his agent can negotiate for.
 
Even if Geno dumps off passes to TE, will it even be Fant ? Or Will Dissly, who is a better blocker than Fant ? Seems like the entire Seattle offense is a hard pass this year. Unless either Penny or Walker suffers an injury, in which case the last man standing at RB would perform well. I mean Alex Collins was startable a few weeks for them recently. For dynasty purposes let's hope Seahawks draft a stud QB in 2023.
 

Noah Fant caught 6-of-7 targets for 45 yards in the Seahawks' Week 6 win over the Cardinals.​


Fant led the Seahawks in all receiving stats on the back of his 23 percent target share. Outside of touchdowns, this was also the best game of Fant's tenure in Seattle. Geno Smith was under pressure for most of this game, prompting him to take easy throws to Fant over longer shots to his receivers. It's possible Fant is cementing himself as an underneath threat in this offense, but Will Dissly and Colby Parkinson were still active in this game, combining for three receptions. Until Fant isn't being pushed for snaps by the backup tight ends, he can stay on the waiver wire. He remains off the fantasy radar for Week 7.
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I don't really understand his usage. He's a physical freak and all this short dink and dunk stuff really isn't taking advantage of his talents. I believed he was in for a big year, maybe he still is. Who knows.
 

Noah Fant caught 5-of-6 targets for 32 yards and a touchdown in the Seahawks' Week 15 loss to the 49ers.​

The five receptions were actually Fant's second most of the season, though the 32 yards were par for his Seahawks course. The score was just his third in neon green and navy. Fant got free at the back of the end zone for a 10-yard strike with 3:35 remaining. Nice, though there was zero indication this evening Fant is about to cut in on DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett's prodigious target shares. He will remain a low-floor, low-ceiling TE2 for Week 16 against the Chiefs.
Dec 16, 2022, 12:00 AM ET
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Seahawks TE Noah Fant (knee) was removed from the injury report and will play in Week 17 vs the Jets.​

Fant injured his knee in Week 15 and played through a questionable tag last week. While his status isn't in doubt, going against the Jets' secondary at less than 100 percent is a matchup to avoid. Fant's role in Seattle's offense has been heavily touchdown dependent, scoring three times on 15 targets the last four weeks.
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Noah Fant was not targeted in the Seahawks’ Week 1 loss to the Rams.

Will Dissly and Colby Parkinson each saw two targets. Fant no longer appears to be in Seattle’s game plan on offense and can be cut in all formats.
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Seahawks agreed to terms with TE Noah Fant on a two-year, $21 million contract.
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Never a point of emphasis for Pete Carroll’s passing attack, Fant could be in for much heavier 2024 usage after the ‘Hawks cut Will Dissly and let Colby Parkinson depart in free agency. Fant’s 32 2023 receptions were a new career low. He stayed healthy, however, and continued to hint at big-play ability up the seam. Going on 27 with five years under his belt, it would be unwise to bet on a completely new Fant, but his setup will at least give him a shot to get back in the TE1 mix.
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@32BeatWriters
“Fant appears primed to be in line for a bigger share of the pass-catching role at the position, but Huard believes Grubb will be strategic on the snaps Fant is playing.

‘I’m not gonna put him in as many situations where he’s gotta block,” Huard said. “I’m gonna use that other guy, Pharaoh (Brown), that guy can block, and we believe he’s one of the best run-blocking tight ends, so we’re gonna put that guy in many of those burden situations in the run game, and we’re gonna let (Fant), who can really run and stretch the field and the numbers tell us so and our eyes tell us so, we’re gonna use his strengths to really push the ball down the field and maximize in that position.’”
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Fant seems like a ideal cheap buy for fantasy- especially dynasty. Things we know:

1. It's not impossible for a midcareer blossoming at TE. He is only 26.
2. He's in the 99th percentile when it comes to athleticism at the position
3. He's been semi-productive despite playing on low volume passing offenses. He has 2 low end TE1 seasons.
4. His efficiency numbers are good. Last year he was TE3 in yards per target and yards per catch, 5th in production premium. He hasn't produced like a 1st round pick, but he has produced.
5. The new Seattle OC comes from a high octane passing offense and while DK, JSN and Lockett are likely the top 3 targets there should be room for Fant to be a low end TE1. Plus there is the chance JSN doesn't deliver on expecations and Lockett is washed which gives Fant a little more ceiling than one might expect.

If you watch the highlights, it's easy to see the talent. Gamebreaking speed after the catch, destroys angles, good blocker, enough size that he's a tough challenge for DBs. This could be the year.
 
I've always been a fan of his talent and went heavy on Fant this year. He just isn't part of the gameplan. I'm sure he will have a game or two where he blows up, but I'm kind of tired of this ride.

JSN looks explosive and Lockett still has juice.
 
Figure he ends up somewhere, he’s still very athletic and only 27 but he’s been such a disappointment though I don’t think he’s for sure done. Kelce was 27 when he had his first 1000 yard season. Greg Olsen didn’t hit 1000 until age 29.
 
Ilov80s said:
Figure he ends up somewhere, he’s still very athletic and only 27 but he’s been such a disappointment though I don’t think he’s for sure done. Kelce was 27 when he had his first 1000 yard season. Greg Olsen didn’t hit 1000 until age 29.
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Yeah, he'll live to see another day and could be a nice asset as 1B TE on a lot of teams. He was just not valued on par with his salary by Seattle or likely anyone else since they probably tried to trade him.
 
Ilov80s said:
Figure he ends up somewhere, he’s still very athletic and only 27 but he’s been such a disappointment though I don’t think he’s for sure done. Kelce was 27 when he had his first 1000 yard season. Greg Olsen didn’t hit 1000 until age 29.
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Yeah, but those guys were impressive. Fant has looked like a guy who should probably be a #2 TE. He has a career high of 673 yards and that was back in 2020.

That's a little misleading on Kelce, as he was a 24-year-old rookie who missed his entire rookie season. He had almost 200 more yards in his 1st season than Fant has had in any season. Olsen, I guess you can make a slight case for, though I'd argue Olsen was always more impressive than Fant was, he was just in some really bad offenses, with awful QBs. As a Bears fan, I always thought Olsen was a top-10 TE the second he was drafted.

I think this move is wise by Seattle. Arroyo has much more receiving talent, and Barner is a better blocker. I have no doubts Fant will easily be able to get a job somewhere, but a starting job feels iffy. Maybe somewhere with an iffy young starter, like NYG or Jacksonville? Or maybe a clear #2 on a contender like Philly (Goedert durability?) or SF?
 
No idea why SEA extended him last year, could have not let one of Dissly or Parkinson walk in FA for less money. What a colossal bust this guy has been but I have one share in TEP so maybe he can land somewhere else that actually uses a TE and make something of himself finally.
 
It’s probably fair to wonder what TE situation he might muddy with a change of scenery.

What teams could use an in-line TE?

Top of my head:
• LAC
• HOU
• NYJ
• CAR
• MIA

Am I missing any?

Couple rookies who could be impacted. Fant hasn’t lived up to his lofty draft pick, but he still could.
 
travdogg said:
Ilov80s said:
Figure he ends up somewhere, he’s still very athletic and only 27 but he’s been such a disappointment though I don’t think he’s for sure done. Kelce was 27 when he had his first 1000 yard season. Greg Olsen didn’t hit 1000 until age 29.
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Yeah, but those guys were impressive. Fant has looked like a guy who should probably be a #2 TE. He has a career high of 673 yards and that was back in 2020.

That's a little misleading on Kelce, as he was a 24-year-old rookie who missed his entire rookie season. He had almost 200 more yards in his 1st season than Fant has had in any season. Olsen, I guess you can make a slight case for, though I'd argue Olsen was always more impressive than Fant was, he was just in some really bad offenses, with awful QBs. As a Bears fan, I always thought Olsen was a top-10 TE the second he was drafted.

I think this move is wise by Seattle. Arroyo has much more receiving talent, and Barner is a better blocker. I have no doubts Fant will easily be able to get a job somewhere, but a starting job feels iffy. Maybe somewhere with an iffy young starter, like NYG or Jacksonville? Or maybe a clear #2 on a contender like Philly (Goedert durability?) or SF?
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Age matters though. Fant had done enough at 21 to get drafted in the first round by the NFL. It took Kelce 6 years in college to do anything noteworthy. Kelce was 23 balling out against college players. At 23, Fant was putting up 673 yards in the NFL.
 
Ilov80s said:
travdogg said:
Ilov80s said:
Figure he ends up somewhere, he’s still very athletic and only 27 but he’s been such a disappointment though I don’t think he’s for sure done. Kelce was 27 when he had his first 1000 yard season. Greg Olsen didn’t hit 1000 until age 29.
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Yeah, but those guys were impressive. Fant has looked like a guy who should probably be a #2 TE. He has a career high of 673 yards and that was back in 2020.

That's a little misleading on Kelce, as he was a 24-year-old rookie who missed his entire rookie season. He had almost 200 more yards in his 1st season than Fant has had in any season. Olsen, I guess you can make a slight case for, though I'd argue Olsen was always more impressive than Fant was, he was just in some really bad offenses, with awful QBs. As a Bears fan, I always thought Olsen was a top-10 TE the second he was drafted.

I think this move is wise by Seattle. Arroyo has much more receiving talent, and Barner is a better blocker. I have no doubts Fant will easily be able to get a job somewhere, but a starting job feels iffy. Maybe somewhere with an iffy young starter, like NYG or Jacksonville? Or maybe a clear #2 on a contender like Philly (Goedert durability?) or SF?
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Age matters though. Fant had done enough at 21 to get drafted in the first round by the NFL. It took Kelce 6 years in college to do anything noteworthy. Kelce was 23 balling out against college players. At 23, Fant was putting up 673 yards in the NFL.
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Kelce was a converted QB who tore his ACL as a 21-year-old, and then at 24 had microfracture surgery. He's been elite whenever he's been healthy since he was 23.

I don't see any real similarity with Fant, who I think has been JAG pretty much his entire career. His best year was in 2020, which also coincided with being the year Courtland Sutton tore his ACL in week 1.

ETA: To be honest, I don't think Fant is even the best TE in the NFL named Noah.
 
travdogg said:
Ilov80s said:
travdogg said:
Ilov80s said:
Figure he ends up somewhere, he’s still very athletic and only 27 but he’s been such a disappointment though I don’t think he’s for sure done. Kelce was 27 when he had his first 1000 yard season. Greg Olsen didn’t hit 1000 until age 29.
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Yeah, but those guys were impressive. Fant has looked like a guy who should probably be a #2 TE. He has a career high of 673 yards and that was back in 2020.

That's a little misleading on Kelce, as he was a 24-year-old rookie who missed his entire rookie season. He had almost 200 more yards in his 1st season than Fant has had in any season. Olsen, I guess you can make a slight case for, though I'd argue Olsen was always more impressive than Fant was, he was just in some really bad offenses, with awful QBs. As a Bears fan, I always thought Olsen was a top-10 TE the second he was drafted.

I think this move is wise by Seattle. Arroyo has much more receiving talent, and Barner is a better blocker. I have no doubts Fant will easily be able to get a job somewhere, but a starting job feels iffy. Maybe somewhere with an iffy young starter, like NYG or Jacksonville? Or maybe a clear #2 on a contender like Philly (Goedert durability?) or SF?
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Age matters though. Fant had done enough at 21 to get drafted in the first round by the NFL. It took Kelce 6 years in college to do anything noteworthy. Kelce was 23 balling out against college players. At 23, Fant was putting up 673 yards in the NFL.
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Kelce was a converted QB who tore his ACL as a 21-year-old, and then at 24 had microfracture surgery. He's been elite whenever he's been healthy since he was 23.

I don't see any real similarity with Fant, who I think has been JAG pretty much his entire career. His best year was in 2020, which also coincided with being the year Courtland Sutton tore his ACL in week 1.

ETA: To be honest, I don't think Fant is even the best TE in the NFL named Noah.
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Yeah he’s been a disappointment in the nfl and is probably never going to be fantasy relevant. Just saying there’s a precedent for TEs not fully breaking out until mid to late 20s.
 
menobrown said:
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He has ties to this staff.

Their current TE coach was his position coach for two seasons in Seattle and Canales was the QB coach his first season with them.

Wherever he goes I think he's more likely to muddy it up then prove useful for fantasy.
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Yep, that’s what I’m sayin.

CAR has a need for a TE. Tremble had back surgery. Not sure how inspiring the TE room is. Sanders, Evans? They could use Fant.
 
Ilov80s said:
Yeah he’s been a disappointment in the nfl and is probably never going to be fantasy relevant. Just saying there’s a precedent for TEs not fully breaking out until mid to late 20s.
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I wouldn’t be shocked by a redemption arc. He passed the eye test in Denver. Seattle has been a wasteland of TE disappointment. Maybe Arroyo will buck that trend. :shrug:

Be interesting to see where Fant lands.
 
Jppaul said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Seattle has been a wasteland of TE disappointment
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I never followed Jimmy Graham, but how did he go from stud, 4 very good seasons in NO, to bleh in SEA?
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That’s partly my point, yeah. Carroll just never seemed to emphasize the position.

Might bode ill for Bowers. I mean, not like the great Jake Bobo is walking into the LVR locker room tomorrow or anything, but…
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Jppaul said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Seattle has been a wasteland of TE disappointment
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I never followed Jimmy Graham, but how did he go from stud, 4 very good seasons in NO, to bleh in SEA?
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That’s partly my point, yeah. Carroll just never seemed to emphasize the position.

Might bode ill for Bowers. I mean, not like the great Jake Bobo is walking into the LVR locker room tomorrow or anything, but…
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I posted this in the Bowers thread a while ago but the situation Bowers enters this year is almost identical to the one Jimmy Graham walked into in Seattle.

Pete Carroll coached. New QB. Dearth of other targets led by an undersized career #2 (Baldwin then, Myers now). Beastmode RB.

Take the logo off the helmet and this Oakland offense is almost identical to the Seattle situation Graham entered.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Ilov80s said:
Yeah he’s been a disappointment in the nfl and is probably never going to be fantasy relevant. Just saying there’s a precedent for TEs not fully breaking out until mid to late 20s.
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I wouldn’t be shocked by a redemption arc. He passed the eye test in Denver. Seattle has been a wasteland of TE disappointment. Maybe Arroyo will buck that trend. :shrug:

Be interesting to see where Fant lands.
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I liked Barner towards the end of last season. They must see something that works for them in Arroyo.
 
Dreamer said:
Jppaul said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Seattle has been a wasteland of TE disappointment
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I never followed Jimmy Graham, but how did he go from stud, 4 very good seasons in NO, to bleh in SEA?
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Targets. And Father time is undefeated.
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Targets for sure, but his last 2 seasons in NOS were like 85+receptions/16 TD then 10 TDs.

Then in Seattle his usage was basically halved.

I don’t think it was as much about age as the targets. When he got peppered with targets, he was very productive.
 
I personally hope to see him sign with Miami. I don't believe in Waller at all. Guys don't retire like that, become rappers, etc. and then jump back in at age 33 and succeed. The one thing Fant definitely has going for him is uberathleticism and the ability to run with the ball in his hands. He could be in the Jonnu role.
 
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