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TE O.J. Howard, Raiders (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Huge hit to Brate. He will still be out there especially at the start of the season but by the end of the season, if OJ is the real deal, look to trade Brate in the 1st couple weeks.
Grahamburn
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I would expect the Bucs to utilize them both. Brate as a slot option and Howard on the line. Similar to how NE used Gronk and Hernandez.steelers1080 said:
Jameis loves throwing to the TE. Defending Tampa's offense is going to be quite difficult.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
One of the four RB's or 2 WRs will still be there at 6. Which ones would you take him over?
Pretty sure our draft goes like this
Fournette
Davis
Mixon (me)
So if OJ slides, Cook is gone as is either McCaffrey or Ross. Got 2 Bucs fans at #4 & #5 but #4 has Jordan Reed & #5 has Kelce.
I'd take him over Ross because I have Mixon over there and TB is going to throw the ball around it appears. Lot of mouths to feed but I think he gets a lot his way.
Not high on Mike Williams nor where he went. Rivers is as old as Manning.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thread title change please!
grateful zed
Footballguy
im sitting at #14 and want him. how far will i need to trade up?
matttyl
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to about 7 generally. The top 4 RBs and two 2 WRs first, then it's a wide open situation.
steelers1080
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matttyl
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Yeah, that's why I said generally. I'm at 10 and I'm pretty sure he won't go that far. I'm also at 4, but don't think I'll go Howard that early.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not anticipating him being available past #6.
kutta
Footballguy
Which of the four RB's and 2 WR's do you think will fall to 7?
I'm sitting at pick 7 and I'm super happy that I will get one of the 4 RB's, 2 WR's or Howard.
beef
Footballguy
Cook as said above. I have 6 and will take Mixon at 3 and Howard at 6 if he's there. With Winston at the helm, the sky's the limit for Howard.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Im torn on Howard or Ross. WRs are generally more valuable but feel Howard is the safer pick
Dr. Octopus
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
In a TE premium league, I'd expect Howard to be drafted top 5.
Boone22
Footballguy
In a 12 team, 1.5ppr for TEs, he's just about to go to the guy picking at 1.07.
fournette, Davis, Mixon, cook, mccaffrey, and Williams went before him.
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Rhythmdoctor
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Yeah, makes sense. If I wanted Howard and played in a TE premium league, I'd expect him to go top 5. Doesn't mean he will, but that's what I'd plan on if I were trying to move up to get him. I would personally draft him ahead of Mixon, Cook, Williams and Ross.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Top tight ends are like top runningbacks in TE premium leagues. I would consider Howard right after Fournette, Davis and McCaffrey.
grateful zed
Footballguy
what do you consider a te premium format?
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Me? 1.5 ppr or 1.5 ppy. Any scoring format that rewards TE scoring higher than a WR
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Correction, meant to say 1.5 ppr or .15 ppy.
grateful zed
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
i sort of pride myself on never editing my posts. Plus, I need to get my post count up.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Koetter:
“The first day of Senior Bowl practice in pads, Jason and I were sitting up at about the 35-yard line, and O.J. put on a clinic,” Koetter said. “After about two periods, I stood up and said, ‘Jason, I’ve seen the guy I want,’ and I walked down the stairs.”
“The first day of Senior Bowl practice in pads, Jason and I were sitting up at about the 35-yard line, and O.J. put on a clinic,” Koetter said. “After about two periods, I stood up and said, ‘Jason, I’ve seen the guy I want,’ and I walked down the stairs.”
Grahamburn
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The issue for fantasy footballers is the amount of weapons on the passing offense all of a sudden. Evans, DeSean Jackson, Humphries, Brate, and now Howard. I'll mention Godwin as well, but I'd expect him to be more of a rotational player to give the other WRs a break, but that's still a ton of mouths to feed.
Howard's blocking ability will keep him on the field for an extremely high percentage of snaps though. Even in his rookie season.
Howard's blocking ability will keep him on the field for an extremely high percentage of snaps though. Even in his rookie season.
massraider
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This is the way I look at it. If Brate and Humphries are threats to his targets, then he's not very good. I'm not knocking them, and really don't want to get into a discussion about their relative merits. But Howard should be at another level, talent-wise.
The big dogs eat, and everyone else fights for scraps.
I'm not knocking Evans down fantasy rankings, and the best TE prospect in years just landed with one of the top young QBs in the league.
I'm taking Howard at 1.7, I figure he's gonna be a TE1 for the next 12 years.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Brate still led TEs in TDs in 2016. Granted, I think some of that did have a lot to do with the lack of other weapons on the offense. I would expect him to be used more often as a slot receiver now with Howard playing on the line. But, they'll still likely move Howard all over the place. I don't see why he'll need to ever come off the field in any situation, which is why it took Koetter and Licht about a tenth of a second to get his name up to the podium.
Tampa's offense is going to be difficult to stop.
Tampa's offense is going to be difficult to stop.
kutta
Footballguy
I'm sitting at 1.07, and every time I start hoping that someone drafts Howard early so one of the big 6 will fall to me, I read something like this and realize there's actually a big 7 and hope like heck Howard falls to 1.07.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with being extremely happy with a talent like this falling in your lap. Just like the Bucs are.
Jameis loves throwing to the TE and Koetter loves calling plays for them.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
massraider
Footballguy
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I also visited the Engram thread. A few folks whose opinion I respect, say they rank Engram ahead of Howard for FF - comments mention more polished and better receiver. Given the love here, they seem to be in the minority. I wasn't clear if one or more might have been speaking in regards to a redraft draft.
I am not buying it. But again, a few who spoke up (including someone quoting Bloom) are voices that I respect and so it gave me pause. I realize that none of us have fore knowledge and that hindsight is 20/20...but for dynasty (PPR), is there a case to be made for Engram over Howard.
I am not buying it. But again, a few who spoke up (including someone quoting Bloom) are voices that I respect and so it gave me pause. I realize that none of us have fore knowledge and that hindsight is 20/20...but for dynasty (PPR), is there a case to be made for Engram over Howard.
Nero
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Taishōgun
Footballguy
Howard's got some legitimate bust qualities to him imo. At the very least, I don't see him becoming a dependable fantasy contributor.
For starters, he's a 4 year player in a dominant offense, and yet his stats are pretty middling. Watching his highlights, the majority of his big plays come off broken coverage. I get that his speed helped turn those broken coverages into touchdowns, but you can't depend on that consistently in the NFL. He's also very straight-line, doesn't make anyone miss, doesn't break tackles, and doesn't show that he's dependable at making contested catches, which is the hallmark of NFL TEs. Not to mention there's been rumblings throughout his career that he's not the hard worker type. There's lots of reasons to believe Howard is the awesome athlete / medicore football player type.
Not to mention his new teammate Cameron Brate had a pretty damn great season last year and showed great chemistry with Jameis Winston, plus Brate is still young himself, only 3 years older than Howard.
Again, I don't see much of any reason to expect Howard to become a reliable fantasy contributor at any point in his career. I'd much prefer to take my chances on Evan Engram and Gerald Everett.
For starters, he's a 4 year player in a dominant offense, and yet his stats are pretty middling. Watching his highlights, the majority of his big plays come off broken coverage. I get that his speed helped turn those broken coverages into touchdowns, but you can't depend on that consistently in the NFL. He's also very straight-line, doesn't make anyone miss, doesn't break tackles, and doesn't show that he's dependable at making contested catches, which is the hallmark of NFL TEs. Not to mention there's been rumblings throughout his career that he's not the hard worker type. There's lots of reasons to believe Howard is the awesome athlete / medicore football player type.
Not to mention his new teammate Cameron Brate had a pretty damn great season last year and showed great chemistry with Jameis Winston, plus Brate is still young himself, only 3 years older than Howard.
Again, I don't see much of any reason to expect Howard to become a reliable fantasy contributor at any point in his career. I'd much prefer to take my chances on Evan Engram and Gerald Everett.
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