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- Thread starter Sand
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I think Bxf4 is probably the right move. I'd suggest Qa2 as our next move, as I see this coming:
gxf4 Qa2
Ng5, attacking the pawns.
I think we'd want the bishop free to protect the h3 pawn at this point.
I also looked at h3 as a response, but it may be inferior:
h3 Ne2+
Kf2 Nxg3 (Nd3? also possible)
Kxg3 gxh4
Kxh4
We trade the same bishop for knight, and there's an extra pawn trade, which isn't great. But it looks a little better to me positionally, and opens up a lane to attack his king, so someone else may want to take a look at it.
gxf4 Qa2
Ng5, attacking the pawns.
I think we'd want the bishop free to protect the h3 pawn at this point.
I also looked at h3 as a response, but it may be inferior:
h3 Ne2+
Kf2 Nxg3 (Nd3? also possible)
Kxg3 gxh4
Kxh4
We trade the same bishop for knight, and there's an extra pawn trade, which isn't great. But it looks a little better to me positionally, and opens up a lane to attack his king, so someone else may want to take a look at it.
Sand
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Thanks for the input. Pretty easy move as if we didn't he'd either move e2+ or take the pawn on h3. No way to defend both.
23 hours left for them on our other game. They're struggling in that one to make choices.
Sand
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Now that we have done BxN (really no choice, IMO), they will most likely move gxf4. I think we need to look at h4 as the next move as we don't want that knight moving in. He's hemmed in quite well right now. Then we should look at getting the Q unpinned, so Qa2 may make some sense, depending on their response.
Sand
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Team O just moved....wait for it... gxf4. So not surprising. IMO, h4 is almost mandatory to keep that knight stuck where he is. Ng5 would be a disaster, IMO, as it lets them get a lot of pressure on the f3 square. I guess we could move Kg2 first and then move h4 after he moves Ng5, but I can' t see why that is the better line. Opinions?
BTW, our black game is horribly ####### complicated. We're really playing well, though, so need to get some good lines put up to look here.
BTW, our black game is horribly ####### complicated. We're really playing well, though, so need to get some good lines put up to look here.
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Joe T
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For white I like (don't love a5). That's the only line I've looked at and I can't find an issue with it, but as Sand mentioned it is a bit complex.
If we go a5, they have to move a rook. Probably to a1 or b1, but I just can't tell that they gain much from that. They have so many holes right now. I can't see where they are going. a1 and b1 both look terrible to me for them, but why would they move Kd2 if not to open up a line for that rook?
If we go a5, they have to move a rook. Probably to a1 or b1, but I just can't tell that they gain much from that. They have so many holes right now. I can't see where they are going. a1 and b1 both look terrible to me for them, but why would they move Kd2 if not to open up a line for that rook?
You're right - a3 is covered. But can we keep a3 covered and protect the pawn on a5 at the same time?
g4 seems out at first glance. He goes Rf4, and we can't protect the g pawn, or attack anywhere else quickly enough. I tried playing it out to see if we could advance the pawn far enough to make it worth it to sacrifice the g pawn, and I don't think we get there.
a5 actually looks pretty good.
- Ra1 response (or anything else moving the rook in the first column east-west), and we go g4 to trap the white bishop. He has to go Rh1 or lose the bishop. White bishop trapped, and rook out of the way.
- Rf3 response (with the f1 rook) (or anything else moving the rook in the first column north-south) and we keep advancing the pawn. The best I see for him down this line is eventually being able to get our pawn at the cost of his bishop)
- Rf3 response (with the d3 rook), we respond with Ra7 and he hasn't accomplished anything.
- Rc3 response and we go Bb4 and trap the rook in front of the king
- Another king move and we get a rook with Bc6
- Ra1 response (or anything else moving the rook in the first column east-west), and we go g4 to trap the white bishop. He has to go Rh1 or lose the bishop. White bishop trapped, and rook out of the way.
- Rf3 response (with the f1 rook) (or anything else moving the rook in the first column north-south) and we keep advancing the pawn. The best I see for him down this line is eventually being able to get our pawn at the cost of his bishop)
- Rf3 response (with the d3 rook), we respond with Ra7 and he hasn't accomplished anything.
- Rc3 response and we go Bb4 and trap the rook in front of the king
- Another king move and we get a rook with Bc6
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Sand
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1. Absolutely - that B is in a bad spot right now.nysfl2 said:
2. Rf3 and we respond Ba6. Now the "3" row there is really a no man's land. We can apply pressure on every square that that R would go to.
3. Yep. And that f1 rook is in a bad spot due to Ba6
4. Yep and yep
1 vote for a5. I don't see the ability for there to be a downside here.
Edit: 8 hours here. If now input in the next couple hours I'm doing this.
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Sand
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In our white game we have 15 hours. We have had h4 and Kg2 as suggestions. I like both but like Joe lean Kg2 as it accomplishes what h4 would when you look out a couple moves and it starts to move our K up and looking at it I expect them to start advancing theirs to try and support the h pawn.
Again, since I'm likely hitting up church tomorrow morning, need to make this move tonight. I'll wait a bit but looks like 2 votes Kg2 right now.
Again, since I'm likely hitting up church tomorrow morning, need to make this move tonight. I'll wait a bit but looks like 2 votes Kg2 right now.
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Sand
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Which reminds me of a possible issue, depending on how long these go. Starting Memorial Day I'm on vacation for 10 days. I should have internet access (I assume Ireland is first world), but I'll be out and about and won't be thinking too much about chess. May need Pizza and Otello to take over official status. We'll see.
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Have a line on how that would play out? We certainly have time to think and play with this.
Not a specific line. I just don't see advancing the pawns being very productive as long as all of our major pieces are all pinned on the other side of the board.
That white bishop is so useless right now . . .
Sand
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I'm having a hard time getting to a spot with moving the queen first that gets us to where we want to go. I'd like to see something like:
31.h4 h6
32.Kh3 Kg7
33.Qa2
We have 24 hours to make this move.
In our other game O has moved Bf3, threatening Bxc6+. We have 2 days to respond here.
Obviously we are forced to move either Bb7 or Bd7. I lean a bit toward Bb7, but need to do a bit more work there.
Sorry for the delay here. Work has been a bit busy and I missed their white move.
Sand
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Sand
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h4 done.
Also on the table is Ra6. Not sure I like it, but it does protect the pawn. It does leave open Be2 and a discovered attack later, though.
Sand
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If Bd7 then he moved Rd1 and then effectively pins us when he moves Kc1 (or Kc3) to advance toward our open pawn. Bb7 avoids this and still allows for the threat of Ba6 at some point. I like Bb7 here. We have 10 hours, so need to move by end of work day today.
Sand
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So
26.Bf3 Bd7
27.Rd1 Ke7 ?
I don't see any massive downsides, though our position remains tenuous.
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