Teams concerned about Ingram's knee (1 Viewer)

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

If Ingram falls to mid 2nd round, I'd be worried. But I don't see him falling past mid 1st.

You could be right but I'd be shocked to see him go in the top 15 or so picks. Many mocks are now showing him falling into the 2nd, which I think is where he belongs regardless of his knee issues. With knee issues he's a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect IMO.He's very fortunate to have played on one of the most dominant college teams of the past couple years.

As was Adrian Peterson. What does that have to do with Ingram's pro prospects?

The difference is that Peterson jumped off the page and was clearly the best player on the field, he had more size, speed, power, vision, balance, etc then Ingram could ever dream of.Ingram fit into the team, Peterson was the team.

When the NFL draft happens and Ingram falls into the 2nd round my ability to filter out the frauds will be proven once again. Ingram is a good prospect, but not close to a great one. Put him on an average college team and he would have been an afterthought when discussing the best rb's in the class. He better donate a lot of money to Bama as they are what has given him a chance at a nice payday.

Now Ingram is a fraud.. WOW

So if he's a fraud, then either he isn't the #1 RB this year, or they're all frauds.. So which is it?

BTW, not every RB coming out of Alabama is figured to be a 1st round pick. So when you say it's only because he played in bama, then the rest of these bama backs should have been early picks as well.. Right? Should be a bama back picked first day every year right? Cause after all, all it takes is to play for Alabama..

I don't agree with the guy's take on Ingram (I like him, and hope the Fins take him), but you're clearly misunderstanding it.He wasn't saying that he was lucky that he played for the University of Alabama Crimson Tide. He was saying that he was lucky that he played on the 2008-2010 Alabama team.

And more to his point, the other running backs who got time running the ball on that team are all future or current early draft picks as well. Coffee went in the 3rd, Richardson is a future 1st rounder, and Upchurch probably is as well.

Now, they could have just happened to recruit four studly running backs, or they could have happened to recruit four regular running backs who were running behind the best run-blocking line of the last decade from a team not named USC. I remember the 2009 SEC championship game against the top rushing defense in the nation when the Gators were lucky if their D-linemen were within 5 yards of the LoS before the running backs hit the hole.

Personally, I think it's a combination of the two, but you can't really blame someone for thinking it leans towards the latter. I'm fairly positive that any running back in division 1 college football would have put up great numbers on that 2009 Alabama team. Would they have been as good as Ingram's? Probably not, but that's the point of contention.

Trent Richardson - Rivals 5*, #2 RB, #6 player nationallyMark Ingram - Rivals 4*, #17 ATH, #186 nationally (rankings deflated due to qualifying concerns)

Roy Upchurch - Rivals 4*, #8 RB, #73 nationally

Eddie Lacy - Rivals 4*, #13 RB, #116 nationally

Glen Coffee - Rivals 3*, #29 RB

What evidence do you have to suggest Bama just recruits regular running backs? Looks to me like except for Coffee, they were all considered to be extremely talented well before they set foot on Bama's campus. Kind of odd to me that Bama would recruit elite talent all over the field but just go for average RB's.

 

[BigTex]

Lol, "some" teams are concerned about his knee?!?!?That's funny!!!!!

Hey Tex, what's funny about that? Is it an all or nothing thing?

It's about facts my friend. I don't care about reports coming weeks after the combine that don't have any proof what so ever about such claims. Until an organization or two say they have some credible concerns and express exactly what those concerns are, I won't believe it.Like many people have already said, this happens every year around this time. Hell, far as we know, Leshoure's agent can be putting out these ridiculous claims so his client can be the first running back taken.

 

[santo71]

Lol, "some" teams are concerned about his knee?!?!?That's funny!!!!!

Hey Tex, what's funny about that? Is it an all or nothing thing?

It's about facts my friend. I don't care about reports coming weeks after the combine that don't have any proof what so ever about such claims. Until an organization or two say they have some credible concerns and express exactly what those concerns are, I won't believe it.Like many people have already said, this happens every year around this time. Hell, far as we know, Leshoure's agent can be putting out these ridiculous claims so his client can be the first running back taken.

While yes, this is true, teams do send out misinformation about prospects, I think it is highly likely that this report is true. He has had problems with his knees already and it could be that his condition is chronic. That said, I am interested to see where he goes and when before passing judgement about who I would take first between him and LeShoure. IMO neither of them are a 'can't miss' prospect, but either of them could be.

 

[BigTex]

Lol, "some" teams are concerned about his knee?!?!?

That's funny!!!!!

Hey Tex, what's funny about that? Is it an all or nothing thing?

It's about facts my friend. I don't care about reports coming weeks after the combine that don't have any proof what so ever about such claims. Until an organization or two say they have some credible concerns and express exactly what those concerns are, I won't believe it.Like many people have already said, this happens every year around this time. Hell, far as we know, Leshoure's agent can be putting out these ridiculous claims so his client can be the first running back taken.

While yes, this is true, teams do send out misinformation about prospects, I think it is highly likely that this report is true. He has had problems with his knees already and it could be that his condition is chronic. That said, I am interested to see where he goes and when before passing judgement about who I would take first between him and LeShoure. IMO neither of them are a 'can't miss' prospect, but either of them could be.

1. The fist is an assumption of what "you" think.2. The second is not only an assumption and has absolutely no merit to it whatsoever. (what problems?)

3. Again, if you are going to say such things about a draft prospect that is devaluing in nature please provide some proof.

4. I'm glad my league has measures in place to prevent owners from stating untruths about a prospects in hopes that his value will fall, hoping they'll draft him.

FYI, that last one was not meant for you in particular but just a thought I had in thinking about this thread in general.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

 

[Faust]

Ex-Bama Back Ingram Sees Stock Drop Due To Knee

April 14th, 2011 ║ Posted By: John Pennington

Former Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram might be set for a tumble on draft day due to a past injury. According to ProFootballTalk.com, the NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi said during Wednesday night television show that he has “had two teams tell me the knee is very bad.”

In fact, Lombardi said the ex-Tide back “won’t be on their draft boards,” stating also that “these are teams that need running backs.” Mike Mayock, also of the NFL Network, says Ingram might drop out of the first round of the draft even if he were fully healthy.

The tailback was believed to be visiting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers yesterday.

Ingram had arthroscopic knee surgery last August and sat out Alabama’s first two games of the 2010 season. His average per carry dropped from 6.12 in 2009 to 5.54 last year. That’s hardly a major decline.

But when it comes to investing millions of dollars in players/commodities, teams pay awfully close attention to X-rays and CT scans. In Ingram’s case, it appears those X-rays are speaking more loudly than his past accomplishments in the nation’s toughest conference.

 

[fatness]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

That's a good tactic by those 2 teams (who need RB's according to the report) to try to throw off the draft of other teams. Teams put out misinformation like this all the time leading up to the draft.

 

[gump]

Ingram fired his agent a few days ago...not sure if that fits in here somehow.

 

[BigTex]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

That's a good tactic by those 2 teams (who need RB's according to the report) to try to throw off the draft of other teams. Teams put out misinformation like this all the time leading up to the draft.

My question would be what information does these "two teams" have that the rest of the NFL don't? Who told these "two teams" and why would they be the only ones to benefit for such vital information?

 

[BigTex]

Ingram fired his agent a few days ago...not sure if that fits in here somehow.

I read the same article which stated that it was normal to do so.Just saying

 

[Andrew Garda]

Ingram fired his agent a few days ago...not sure if that fits in here somehow.

I read the same article which stated that it was normal to do so.Just saying

It's not 'normal' but it's not incredibly unusual either. A little weird to do it so late in the game but doesn't necessarily mean anything. However without a rep (I'm not sure if he has a replacement yet), nobody out there to spin any poor reports (true or smokescreen) either.

 

[BigTex]

Ingram fired his agent a few days ago...not sure if that fits in here somehow.

I read the same article which stated that it was normal to do so.Just saying

It's not 'normal' but it's not incredibly unusual either. A little weird to do it so late in the game but doesn't necessarily mean anything. However without a rep (I'm not sure if he has a replacement yet), nobody out there to spin any poor reports (true or smokescreen) either.

Joel Segal is his agent who represent R. Bush, M. Vick, and C. Johnson.......IIRC.

 

[BigTex]

Good to see Rick Gosselin has Ingram going to Miami and Williams going to New England. I also heard this weekend that Ingram passed the medical exam by those that brought him in for a closer look.

 

[gump]

Good to see Rick Gosselin has Ingram going to Miami and Williams going to New England. I also heard this weekend that Ingram passed the medical exam by those that brought him in for a closer look.

He's in NE today actually....I'm sure going thru more tests....and the Herald blogger says the Pats "love him".http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2011/04/18/daily-nfl-draft-tidbit-alabama-rb-mark-ingram-heads-to-new-england-to-visit-with-patriots/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

 

[cowboymouth]

Ingram will be a Saint.

 

[Andrew Garda]

Ingram will be a Saint.

I'm sure he's a nice guy, but the Catholic Church doesn't name many... OH wait, wrong Saint.

 

[mlball77]

Good to see Rick Gosselin has Ingram going to Miami and Williams going to New England. I also heard this weekend that Ingram passed the medical exam by those that brought him in for a closer look.

(KFFL) University of Alabama RB Mark Ingram is widely viewed as the No. 1 running back option in this year's NFL Draft, reports Tom Pedulla, of USA Today. Teams do not seem worried about Ingram's previous knee injury, as his agent, Rocky Arceneaux, noted none of the NFL teams asked to examine Ingram's knee a second time, which indicates satisfaction it is fully healed. Ingram said his knee feels strong and healthy. "I've had time to rest it and time to get it stronger," he added. Ingram plans to stick at 215 pounds, which is where he feels most comfortable. "I feel more explosive. I feel better about how I move. When I got over 220, I think I was a little too heavy," Ingram said. He has been training with Wyatt Harris, his personal trainer, in New Orleans. Harris emphasized Ingram's desire to be an every-down back in the NFL. "That's what he's training to do. He understands he has to be in unbelievable shape to do the things he wants to do," Harris said. "They're going to get into a fight with him if they try to take him off the field."

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Good to see Rick Gosselin has Ingram going to Miami and Williams going to New England. I also heard this weekend that Ingram passed the medical exam by those that brought him in for a closer look.

(KFFL) University of Alabama RB Mark Ingram is widely viewed as the No. 1 running back option in this year's NFL Draft, reports Tom Pedulla, of USA Today. Teams do not seem worried about Ingram's previous knee injury, as his agent, Rocky Arceneaux, noted none of the NFL teams asked to examine Ingram's knee a second time, which indicates satisfaction it is fully healed. Ingram said his knee feels strong and healthy. "I've had time to rest it and time to get it stronger," he added. Ingram plans to stick at 215 pounds, which is where he feels most comfortable. "I feel more explosive. I feel better about how I move. When I got over 220, I think I was a little too heavy," Ingram said. He has been training with Wyatt Harris, his personal trainer, in New Orleans. Harris emphasized Ingram's desire to be an every-down back in the NFL. "That's what he's training to do. He understands he has to be in unbelievable shape to do the things he wants to do," Harris said. "They're going to get into a fight with him if they try to take him off the field."

This is very encouraging news for Ingram.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Good to see Rick Gosselin has Ingram going to Miami and Williams going to New England. I also heard this weekend that Ingram passed the medical exam by those that brought him in for a closer look.

(KFFL) University of Alabama RB Mark Ingram is widely viewed as the No. 1 running back option in this year's NFL Draft, reports Tom Pedulla, of USA Today. Teams do not seem worried about Ingram's previous knee injury, as his agent, Rocky Arceneaux, noted none of the NFL teams asked to examine Ingram's knee a second time, which indicates satisfaction it is fully healed. Ingram said his knee feels strong and healthy. "I've had time to rest it and time to get it stronger," he added. Ingram plans to stick at 215 pounds, which is where he feels most comfortable. "I feel more explosive. I feel better about how I move. When I got over 220, I think I was a little too heavy," Ingram said. He has been training with Wyatt Harris, his personal trainer, in New Orleans. Harris emphasized Ingram's desire to be an every-down back in the NFL. "That's what he's training to do. He understands he has to be in unbelievable shape to do the things he wants to do," Harris said. "They're going to get into a fight with him if they try to take him off the field."

This is very encouraging news for Ingram.

Like I have been saying for the last few weeks when these bogus "arthritic knee" reports came out. No team would publicly downgrade a players draft stock. If you don't like a player or a player's injuries scare you, you keep you mouth shut hoping that someone else takes them AHEAD of you so the player you truely love falls to you. It's not rocket science. A few of you here still don't get it.....I guess it's too complicated to comprehend for some.

 

[saintfool]

Ingram will be a Saint.

this would be a surprise in many ways. they have much more pressing concerns than at RB. in fact, they know they have a winning formula at the position. i see the saints targeting DE, OLB or OT in R1 before RB.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Let all this knee stuff keep dropping him down the boards. Shoot, for that matter, let him drop to my 49ers in the 2nd round. We'll take him even though we have many other pressing needs(cough..er QB) Pretty sure he won't drop that far though.

I have the 2nd,3rd,5th & 6th first round picks in my dynasty league and looks like AJ Green will go #1 so I'll gladly take him at #2,bad knee and all. Then I can back him up at 3 with LeShoure.

 

[Andrew Garda]

Let all this knee stuff keep dropping him down the boards. Shoot, for that matter, let him drop to my 49ers in the 2nd round. We'll take him even though we have many other pressing needs(cough..er QB) Pretty sure he won't drop that far though. I have the 2nd,3rd,5th & 6th first round picks in my dynasty league and looks like AJ Green will go #1 so I'll gladly take him at #2,bad knee and all. Then I can back him up at 3 with LeShoure.

Ingra/LeShoure could be a really nice combo. So could Ingram/Jones or Jones/LeShoure.....

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Let all this knee stuff keep dropping him down the boards. Shoot, for that matter, let him drop to my 49ers in the 2nd round. We'll take him even though we have many other pressing needs(cough..er QB) Pretty sure he won't drop that far though. I have the 2nd,3rd,5th & 6th first round picks in my dynasty league and looks like AJ Green will go #1 so I'll gladly take him at #2,bad knee and all. Then I can back him up at 3 with LeShoure.

I'd take a strong look at Jones at one of your first two picks (#2 or #3) and here are the main reasons:1) Elite WR's are tough to come by and Julio Jones fits that mold2) WR's last nearly twice as long as RB's do. I highly doubt Jones will bust, so you'll have at the very least a player to start or maybe even to trade for the next 10 years. RB's are nearly as likely to bust and only last 4-5 years on average.3) You have pick #5.....which means you will still come away with Wiliams or LeShoure at #5 if you take Jones at #3. Ingram #2, Jones #3, Williams/LeShoure #5, then next best player #6 (ie Cobb, Little, Hankerson, Smith?). Why not split up your top 3 picks into 2 RB's and 1 WR?

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Let all this knee stuff keep dropping him down the boards. Shoot, for that matter, let him drop to my 49ers in the 2nd round. We'll take him even though we have many other pressing needs(cough..er QB) Pretty sure he won't drop that far though. I have the 2nd,3rd,5th & 6th first round picks in my dynasty league and looks like AJ Green will go #1 so I'll gladly take him at #2,bad knee and all. Then I can back him up at 3 with LeShoure.

I'd take a strong look at Jones at one of your first two picks (#2 or #3) and here are the main reasons:1) Elite WR's are tough to come by and Julio Jones fits that mold2) WR's last nearly twice as long as RB's do. I highly doubt Jones will bust, so you'll have at the very least a player to start or maybe even to trade for the next 10 years. RB's are nearly as likely to bust and only last 4-5 years on average.3) You have pick #5.....which means you will still come away with Wiliams or LeShoure at #5 if you take Jones at #3. Ingram #2, Jones #3, Williams/LeShoure #5, then next best player #6 (ie Cobb, Little, Hankerson, Smith?). Why not split up your top 3 picks into 2 RB's and 1 WR?

Actually, I'll probably go the route of taking Ingram and Jones at 2 & 3. I need WR help as well. Then either Leshoure, Ryan Williams or other options will be there for me at 5 & 6. Just pleased that I'll be able to get Ingram at 2 or 3. Yes, Jones is definitely a pick I'm going to make with 2 of the first 3 picks. An Ingram & Jones combo will work well for my team.With Having Jones and Ingram I'm gonna want to get another back. It'll depend on which back I rate the best.

 

[Faust]

Mark Ingram says knee is '100%'

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Mark Ingram (FSY) enters the NFL draft armed with a Heisman Trophy, a national title and the cover of a popular video game.

The former Alabama running back and 2009 Heisman winner says he'll also bring two healthy knees.

Ingram said Tuesday reports that NFL teams are concerned about his surgically repaired left knee are based on "false information" with the draft looming on April 28-30.

"I don't know where the reports have come from," he said in a phone interview following an announcement that he'll be on the cover of EA Sports' NCAA Football 12. "I guess somebody wants me to fall down the board. But my knee is 100%. It's strong, it's healthy. All the teams have positive reports on my knee and Dr. (James) Andrews has given positive reports on my knee as well. My knee's 100%. It's in great shape. All those reports are false information."

Ingram had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee on Aug. 31, but missed only the first two games. He is generally projected as a late first-round pick, though that's a drop from his initial mid-first round status.

Ingram said he has worked out for the Miami Dolphins, who pick 15th. He has also visited the St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins and New Orleans Saints— with picks ranging from 10th to 24th.

Ingram said he had to ice and rehab the knee during the season but after the bye week in late October, "it felt like it was full-strength, so I finished the second part of the year strong."

He ran for 875 yards and 13 touchdowns last season. As a sophomore, he had 1,658 yards rushing and 17 touchdowns to lead the Crimson Tide to the national title.

Talk about his knee hasn't been the only thing Ingram has had to contend with leading up to the draft.

He also fired agent Rocky Arceneaux and hired Joel Segal.

"Just a business decision," Ingram said. "No hard feelings. I just thought it was best for me to go in a different direction."

Neither of those things marred his day Tuesday.

He was chosen for the EA Sports game cover over Washington quarterback Jake Locker (FSY), Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley (FSY) and Oklahoma running back DeMarco Murray (FSY) in fan voting.

"It's a tremendous honor," Ingram said. "It's a game I've been playing since middle school all through high school and even in college. Just the fact that I have a chance to be on the cover of a game is a blessing and something that I'll cherish for the rest of my life."

The cover photo is of Ingram carrying the ball with his gloved left hand extended palm-out flashing a crimson "A."

"I couldn't have drawn it up any better," he said. "I think they did a great job with the cover. It's awesome."

A skilled bowler and golfer, Ingram said he's pretty good at NCAA Football too. "I'm taking all challengers," he joked.

Ingram will have his picture in numerous game-playing households once that edition is released July 12, but he's getting some exposure before then, too. He spent much of Tuesday appearing on SportsCenter and other ESPN shows.

"He's on our Facebook page, he's going to be on displays at Best Buy and Walmart and Gamestop," said Randy Chase, EA Sports' senior marketing manager. "He's going to be all over the place in retail until the game comes out."

As for draft day, Ingram said he has no feel whatsoever for where he'll wind up.

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay praises Ingram's talents but said picking a player in the top half of the first round at a position with a relatively short shelf life "makes you nervous."

"I like Mark Ingram a lot, and I think he has a chance to be a very good back for the NFL," McShay said. "I love his instincts, I love his lateral quickness in small areas for a somewhat bigger back and the way he gets guys offbalance, and just generates a lot of yards after contact."

Ingram said he'll have to wait until next week's draft to see how teams — or at least one team — feel about him, just like everybody else.

"I hear about (draft projections) all the time, but nobody really knows," he said. "I'm just going to wait until I hear my name called."

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Dr. Andrews gives Ingram clean bill of health

The Miami Herald reports that Dr. James Andrews has given Alabama RB Mark Ingram a clean bill of health leading up to the draft.

Citing a source "familiar with the letter" issued by Andrews, the Herald also confirms that Ingram was not asked back to Indianapolis for the April 8 medical recheck. The letter has been distributed to NFL teams. NFL Network's Mike Lombardi had reported on multiple occasions that Ingram is off at least two clubs' draft boards due to concerns about degenerative arthritis in the knee Ingram had surgically repaired last August.

This is good news for Ingram and good news for fantasy owners wishing to draft Ingram.

 

[Go deep]

Dr. Andrews gives Ingram clean bill of health

The Miami Herald reports that Dr. James Andrews has given Alabama RB Mark Ingram a clean bill of health leading up to the draft.

Citing a source "familiar with the letter" issued by Andrews, the Herald also confirms that Ingram was not asked back to Indianapolis for the April 8 medical recheck. The letter has been distributed to NFL teams. NFL Network's Mike Lombardi had reported on multiple occasions that Ingram is off at least two clubs' draft boards due to concerns about degenerative arthritis in the knee Ingram had surgically repaired last August.

This is good barely news for Ingram and good news barely matters for fantasy owners wishing to draft Ingram.

fixed

 

[Andrew Garda]

Saw Ingram at a NFLPA function Tuesday night. Looked good to me, but I think he took offense when I started probing his knee looking for scars and damage.