Tebow and drafting for sales (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Curious what you guys think of this snip below. Also can you think of any players that were drafted for sales like the writer suggests the Jags should have with Tebow? Consequently, how'd it work out for that team?

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/0...e-tebow-effect/

Plenty of people didn't think the Jaguars should waste their first round pick on Tim Tebow, who has some question marks when it comes to his ability at the professional level. However, I believe they made a huge mistake in not capitalizing on the Tim Tebow Effect, both in terms of what he brings to the field and what he can do for business. It's not a waste when you pick a beloved hometown kid who is a naturally gifted athlete, and who is guaranteed to increase ticket and merchandise sales immediately. It's especially a mistake when you look at the Jaguars situation in Jacksonville and who they did take in the first round. What were they thinking?

Tim Tebow already owns two NFL records: best rookie jersey sales ever (since the league began keeping track in 2006) and best jersey sales for the month of April on NFL.com. According to NFL.com, thirty percent of the orders came from Florida (and at least one came from yours truly, in Georgia). Let's review that again...Tim Tebow's Denver Broncos jersey was the highest grossing rookie jersey of all time and thirty percent of the orders came from Florida. Think those folks would have become Jaguars fans? Maybe go to some home games and buy some more merchandise? Gee, I wonder.

ESPN recently started a Tebow Watch page, a entire section of their website dedicated to following Tim Tebow. All of this, folks, is the Tim Tebow Effect. Now the Denver Broncos hope he has the same impact on the field and on his teammates that he did at Florida, but even if he doesn't, I guarantee you they won't regret drafting him. The Jaguars? Perhaps they'll finally see the error of their ways when the September 12th home game against the Broncos sells out and the stands are full of fans in Denver Broncos jerseys with Tebow's name emblazoned on the back.

*****

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

 

[Bri]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation. Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Is he what some might call overly religious or just religious? just curious

 

[Bri]

I thought Bush and ADP were big coming out of college. Peyton Manning as well. (insert others here) Isn't it shocking he outsold their rookie sales in just a month?

Bradford is a king in Oklahoma but apparently he (and guys above) are nothing compared to Tebow in popularity.

 

[NeverEnough]

$160 LOL

Religious nut.

 

[SSOG]

Is he what some might call overly religious or just religious? just curious

A ton of people are going to call him "overly religious", but I don't think so. He's the son of a preacher. He was born in the Philippines while his family was on a mission. He went on lots of missions when he was growing up, and he was home-schooled in a highly Christian household. Obviously he's very passionate about his ministry and spreading the Gospel, but he's not the preachy, holier-than-thou type... he's the kind that genuinely walks the walk. He gives so much of his time to charities and good causes. He travels to prisons and talks to the inmates about Christianity, he still goes to the Philippines with his family. Several writers in the SEC have stories about Tim Tebow doing small acts of kindness for strangers when he thought no one was watching. Within a year of him joining the Gators, community service among the entire football team had more than doubled. A lot of people make fun of Tebow for not being ashamed of his faith, but I think he's one of the guys that truly gets it- he gets how blessed he is to be playing a game for millions of dollars, and he gets that he's been afforded a unique platform with which to do good. He gets that he's under additional scrutiny, and rather than running from it or talking about how he never asked for it, he embraces it as long as it comes with a chance for him to do what he thinks is right to make the world a better place. A lot of people will disagree with what he thinks is right, but at the end of the day, Tim Tebow has his convictions which he has built up through years of hard work and sacrifice, and he stands by them 100%.

I thought Bush and ADP were big coming out of college. Peyton Manning as well. (insert others here) Isn't it shocking he outsold their rookie sales in just a month? Bradford is a king in Oklahoma but apparently he (and guys above) are nothing compared to Tebow in popularity.

Just think of whose rookie sales he just broke- Mark Sanchez's. You have a marquee player from one of the biggest programs in the entire nation who was drafted in the top 5 by a football-crazed and QB-starved fan-base in the largest media market in America... and Tim Tebow, #25 overall pick that he was, just demolished his jersey sales. Mark Sanchez, Peyton Manning, Reggie Bush... these guys were incredibly popular athletes. Tim Tebow is a phenomenon. If Mark Sanchez was Janet Jackson, then Tim Tebow would be her brother Michael. If Peyton Manning was Soundgarden, then Tim Tebow is Nirvana. If Reggie Bush was The Monkeys, then Tim Tebow is The Beatles.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Is he what some might call overly religious or just religious? just curious

A ton of people are going to call him "overly religious", but I don't think so. He's the son of a preacher. He was born in the Philippines while his family was on a mission. He went on lots of missions when he was growing up, and he was home-schooled in a highly Christian household. Obviously he's very passionate about his ministry and spreading the Gospel, but he's not the preachy, holier-than-thou type... he's the kind that genuinely walks the walk. He gives so much of his time to charities and good causes. He travels to prisons and talks to the inmates about Christianity, he still goes to the Philippines with his family. Several writers in the SEC have stories about Tim Tebow doing small acts of kindness for strangers when he thought no one was watching. Within a year of him joining the Gators, community service among the entire football team had more than doubled. A lot of people make fun of Tebow for not being ashamed of his faith, but I think he's one of the guys that truly gets it- he gets how blessed he is to be playing a game for millions of dollars, and he gets that he's been afforded a unique platform with which to do good. He gets that he's under additional scrutiny, and rather than running from it or talking about how he never asked for it, he embraces it as long as it comes with a chance for him to do what he thinks is right to make the world a better place. A lot of people will disagree with what he thinks is right, but at the end of the day, Tim Tebow has his convictions which he has built up through years of hard work and sacrifice, and he stands by them 100%.

I thought Bush and ADP were big coming out of college. Peyton Manning as well. (insert others here) Isn't it shocking he outsold their rookie sales in just a month?

Bradford is a king in Oklahoma but apparently he (and guys above) are nothing compared to Tebow in popularity.

Just think of whose rookie sales he just broke- Mark Sanchez's. You have a marquee player from one of the biggest programs in the entire nation who was drafted in the top 5 by a football-crazed and QB-starved fan-base in the largest media market in America... and Tim Tebow, #25 overall pick that he was, just demolished his jersey sales. Mark Sanchez, Peyton Manning, Reggie Bush... these guys were incredibly popular athletes. Tim Tebow is a phenomenon. If Mark Sanchez was Janet Jackson, then Tim Tebow would be her brother Michael. If Peyton Manning was Soundgarden, then Tim Tebow is Nirvana. If Reggie Bush was The Monkeys, then Tim Tebow is The Beatles.

So Manning is making a comeback and Tebow is DOA?

 

[SSOG]

Forgot to mention, too, but if the salary cap never comes back, then drafting a player based solely on merchandise sales makes even more sense. In an uncapped market, drafting a guy like Tim Tebow might be the difference between an owner standing pat and an owner opening up his pocket book for a big free-agent acquisition. Especially for an owner like Bowlen who doesn't own any businesses other than his franchise- the only money he has to pay his players is the revenue the Broncos bring in.

 

[Zoomanji]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

 

[Concept Coop]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation. Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Is he what some might call overly religious or just religious? just curious

Overly religious, which is easy for me to say being an Atheist. He is my favorite college player of all time, being a Gator. But I just don't think you need to push religion on others. Let you volunteer work and actions speak for themselves.

 

[destro]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

That seems like a painfully obvious contradiction, doesn't it?I wonder how popular Tebow would be if his behavior was exactly as kind as it is now, including all of the charity and community service work as well as the "nice things when he thinks no one is looking", EXCEPT... he wasn't openly religious. Same behaviors, great guy, all who knows him loves him... but no evidence of any religion. Would he be as popular?

I also wonder if his popularity would be the same if he was exactly the same, religion and all, except black. You can't know for sure, but I suspect, in both of these hypothetical situations, he would not be nearly as popular.

 

[baconisgood]

I thought Bush and ADP were big coming out of college. Peyton Manning as well. (insert others here) Isn't it shocking he outsold their rookie sales in just a month?

Bradford is a king in Oklahoma but apparently he (and guys above) are nothing compared to Tebow in popularity.

Tim Tebow already owns two NFL records: best rookie jersey sales ever (since the league began keeping track in 2006)

 

[Doug Drinen]

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that merchandise revenue is split evenly among all teams. This article seems to confirm that. It's old, but I couldn't find anything indicating that it's not still accurate.

In other words, the Jaguars get the same cut as the Broncos from every Tebow jersey sold.

I'm not saying there aren't some auxiliary benefits to drafting a transcendently popular player, but I don't think merchandise revenue plays a role.

 

[Andrew Garda]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation. Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Is he what some might call overly religious or just religious? just curious

Overly religious, which is easy for me to say being an Atheist. He is my favorite college player of all time, being a Gator. But I just don't think you need to push religion on others. Let you volunteer work and actions speak for themselves.

I'm far more spiritual than religious, if that makes sense, so my perspective might be a tad different. I don't really read him as pushing anything. He's just not shy about his beliefs and is pretty up front about his faith.In fact he seems - to me at least - far less pushy than a lot of other very religious people I have come across. Other than the Super Bowl flap, he responds to questions asked about his religion but he doesn't seem to be actively out there speechifying all the time. I think it's just such a part of him the media keeps pushign the faith thing even more than he does.Of course - I'm not a big Gator fan (I don't hate them, just not my team) so maybe if you follow the program closely, it's more of an obvious issue.anyway, that's my .02.

 

[massraider]

Curious what you guys think of this snip below. Also can you think of any players that were drafted for sales like the writer suggests the Jags should have with Tebow? Consequently, how'd it work out for that team?

The closest example I can think of is Vince Young/Texans. If Tebow turns out to be a good QB, there's a bunch of teams that should have taken him. If he doesn't, then him being a great college player won't mean much.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I'm about as far from "religious" as you can get, and I have no rooting interest in the Gators or Denver. I've come across a lot of religious "nuts" in my time (either personally or just from public perception of them), and far too many of them fall easily into the "fraud" category in my book.

But based on what I've seen and read, Tebow just seems to be a guy with strong personal beliefs and a willingness to "do good". I say more power to him. I don't believe in a lot of things that he believes in, but being a good person trumps all of that in my eyes. If being the person he is gathers him more attention and/or money, I'd rather have it going to him than a lot of players I can think of.

And merchandise revenue sharing or not, I do feel that his presence on the team is helping them from a financial/organizational standpoint. There could be a couple hundred thousand brand new Denver Bronco fans out there. That's worth a LOT, even if jersey sales aren't directly tied to the team.

If he turns out to be a decent player, the pick which a lot of folks might have considered a bit of a reach (myself included) could turn into a steal. I had no idea this guy had that big a following.

 

[Doug Drinen]

If Tebow turns out to be a good QB, there's a bunch of teams that should have taken him. If he doesn't, then him being a great college player won't mean much.

Agreed.The only sure-fire method for increasing your franchise's revenue is to get a time machine, go back 30 years to when today's paying fans were kids, and dominate for a couple of decades. If you can't pull that off, the next best thing is to consistently win games here in the present. If Tebow can do that, he'll generate revenue for his team, possibly more than a similar-quality non-Tebow might. If he doesn't, the current buzz won't mean very much if anything in the long run.

 

[Catbird]

Kids that come out with a lot of hoopla sell T-shirts pre-season and until they play. If they turn out to be stars, life (and sales) are great. If they turn out to be Leinart or Harrington, 3 starts in their merchandising career is over. I am relieved for Jacksonville that they didn't take Tebow in Round 1 - and took who they thought was the best player out there for them (questionable judgment notwithstanding). That's how you win, and THAT is how you make long term sales. TT is the all time leader in pre-play sales. I think his fortunes will go up or down (IMO more likely down) with equal flare after September 1 (or maybe not until he makes his first start) depending on production. Buying player's good will just doesn't last long enough (unless the player production warrants it) to spend a 1st rounder on less than the best guy out there.

 

[SSOG]

That seems like a painfully obvious contradiction, doesn't it?

I wonder how popular Tebow would be if his behavior was exactly as kind as it is now, including all of the charity and community service work as well as the "nice things when he thinks no one is looking", EXCEPT... he wasn't openly religious. Same behaviors, great guy, all who knows him loves him... but no evidence of any religion. Would he be as popular?

I also wonder if his popularity would be the same if he was exactly the same, religion and all, except black. You can't know for sure, but I suspect, in both of these hypothetical situations, he would not be nearly as popular.

Personally, I don't think he'd be as popular if he wasn't religious... but that's because I think a lot of disenfranchised Christians have been looking for a role model for quite some time. I mean, how many famous Christians can you name? I'm not talking about famous people who happen to be Christian, I'm talking about people who are famous for their Christianity? Outside of some televangelists known more for their scandals and some guys who are barely known outside of the Christian community, you've got... what, C.S. Lewis and Mother Teresa? The first has been dead for 30+ years, and the second has been dead for over a decade. I think the Christian community has been looking for someone who embraced the spotlight, was open about his faith, and who lived the kind of life that could withstand the most intense scrutiny. Without his religion, for instance, Tebow wouldn't be doing commercials during the Super Bowl. With that said, while he wouldn't be as popular, I really believe he still would have been a phenomenon and he still would be setting sales records. As someone who lived in Gainesville at the height of Tebow-mania, Gator fans might think the religion is a nice story, but that's not at all what the frenzy is all about.If he was black... I'm not touching that one with a ten-foot pole. His race wouldn't affect his popularity to me in the slightest, but I don't have the faintest clue how much of an issue it would be to anyone else in the nation.

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that merchandise revenue is split evenly among all teams. This article seems to confirm that. It's old, but I couldn't find anything indicating that it's not still accurate.

In other words, the Jaguars get the same cut as the Broncos from every Tebow jersey sold.

I'm not saying there aren't some auxiliary benefits to drafting a transcendently popular player, but I don't think merchandise revenue plays a role.

Well, players do generate unshared revenues for their franchise, and merchandise sales are a good proxy for player popularity, so merchandise sales serve as a good proxy for unshared revenues generated. In my opinion.

Agreed.

The only sure-fire method for increasing your franchise's revenue is to get a time machine, go back 30 years to when today's paying fans were kids, and dominate for a couple of decades. If you can't pull that off, the next best thing is to consistently win games here in the present. If Tebow can do that, he'll generate revenue for his team, possibly more than a similar-quality non-Tebow might. If he doesn't, the current buzz won't mean very much if anything in the long run.

I think 3 years from now the Tebow Effect might have worn off... but I think even if Tebow winds up becoming Joey Harrington, the Broncos can easily get a major 3-year revenue boost out of him. And, as I said, in an uncapped system that revenue boost can be used to sign better players, who can be used to win more games, which can be used to establish a more long-term source of revenue.

 

[baconisgood]

I think 3 years from now the Tebow Effect might have worn off... but I think even if Tebow winds up becoming Joey Harrington, the Broncos can easily get a major 3-year revenue boost out of him. And, as I said, in an uncapped system that revenue boost can be used to sign better players, who can be used to win more games, which can be used to establish a more long-term source of revenue.

The Broncos will also have had a few hundred thousand to a few million fans reading everything out of Broncos camps for those 3 years and those people will start to like and follow other players.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Have you seen the impact of the Tim Tebow foundation? Go check out the site. You can hate him for being a Christian if that isn't your thing, but he is the anti-Roethlisberger. He's a good guy that walks the walk. Count me as a doubter of his NFL abilities, but he is a class act. As much as I hate the Broncos, I do admire Tebow, the person.

http://www.timtebowfoundation.org/

 

[Zoomanji]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Have you seen the impact of the Tim Tebow foundation? Go check out the site. You can hate him for being a Christian if that isn't your thing, but he is the anti-Roethlisberger. He's a good guy that walks the walk. Count me as a doubter of his NFL abilities, but he is a class act. As much as I hate the Broncos, I do admire Tebow, the person.

http://www.timtebowfoundation.org/

Sorry, I guess I was "hating on" a "class act" charging $160 for his autograph.

I at least hope he gives kids free ones at training camp and other public events.

 

[FUBAR]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Have you seen the impact of the Tim Tebow foundation? Go check out the site. You can hate him for being a Christian if that isn't your thing, but he is the anti-Roethlisberger. He's a good guy that walks the walk. Count me as a doubter of his NFL abilities, but he is a class act. As much as I hate the Broncos, I do admire Tebow, the person.

http://www.timtebowfoundation.org/

Sorry, I guess I was "hating on" a "class act" charging $160 for his autograph.

I at least hope he gives kids free ones at training camp and other public events.

The "partial proceeds" throws me, is he pocketing some or is the money going elsewhere?

 

[Mister CIA]

Just think of whose rookie sales he just broke- Mark Sanchez's. You have a marquee player from one of the biggest programs in the entire nation who was drafted in the top 5 by a football-crazed and QB-starved fan-base in the largest media market in America... and Tim Tebow, #25 overall pick that he was, just demolished his jersey sales. Mark Sanchez, Peyton Manning, Reggie Bush... these guys were incredibly popular athletes. Tim Tebow is a phenomenon. If Mark Sanchez was Janet Jackson, then Tim Tebow would be her brother Michael. If Peyton Manning was Soundgarden, then Tim Tebow is Nirvana. If Reggie Bush was The Monkeys, then Tim Tebow is The Beatles.

I hope he finds his Courtney or Yoko before things take a turn for the worse.

 

[SSOG]

Sorry, I guess I was "hating on" a "class act" charging $160 for his autograph.

I at least hope he gives kids free ones at training camp and other public events.

I'm sure he will. He's well known around UF for always going above and beyond for the fans. He's generally one of the last players through the tunnel after a game because he always takes a victory lap around the stadium giving every single person in the front rows a high five. Plus there are all sorts of stories like this one or this one circulating on the net.

 

[shader]

It seems like people are always waiting for the "other shoe to drop" with Tebow. Waiting for that big skeleton to come out of the closet.

Maybe it won't?

 

[jurb26]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation. Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Is he what some might call overly religious or just religious? just curious

Overly religious, which is easy for me to say being an Atheist. He is my favorite college player of all time, being a Gator. But I just don't think you need to push religion on others. Let you volunteer work and actions speak for themselves.

I'm far more spiritual than religious, if that makes sense, so my perspective might be a tad different. I don't really read him as pushing anything. He's just not shy about his beliefs and is pretty up front about his faith.In fact he seems - to me at least - far less pushy than a lot of other very religious people I have come across. Other than the Super Bowl flap, he responds to questions asked about his religion but he doesn't seem to be actively out there speechifying all the time. I think it's just such a part of him the media keeps pushign the faith thing even more than he does.Of course - I'm not a big Gator fan (I don't hate them, just not my team) so maybe if you follow the program closely, it's more of an obvious issue.anyway, that's my .02.

I'd say Tebow is obviously on the "overly religious" end of the spectrum and I'd have to agree with Concept Coop. I don't think I've ever heard or read a single sound bite, interview or article in which Tebow isn't talking about his faith. IMO that is far more a product of Tebow than the media. I too am an Atheist so in general the notion that good deeds come from a place of religious faith is a pretty ludicrous philosophy IMO. That doesn't change the fact that I do think Tebow is a genuinely good, well meaning person. I'd imagine I could have some pretty cool philosophical debates with him over a beer much like I do with many of my religious friends. One thing that is unquestionable is that religion sells. It always has and more than likely always will. There is no doubt the religious aspect of Tebow is leading positive merchandising results.

 

[Zoomanji]

I did notice that Tebow is selling his autographs for $160/per at an autograph show in Orlando next month. All the other notable athletes are fetching around $30. He is signing on any memorabilia with his sig and "God Bless" or "Go Gators" or the bible verse of your choice. Partial proceeds are benefiting the Tim Tebow foundation.

Dude seems like a saint. I really hope he doesn't let people down. His type of unique persona is a marketing bonanza, and there are people lining up on the Tebow bandwagon.

Have you seen the impact of the Tim Tebow foundation? Go check out the site. You can hate him for being a Christian if that isn't your thing, but he is the anti-Roethlisberger. He's a good guy that walks the walk. Count me as a doubter of his NFL abilities, but he is a class act. As much as I hate the Broncos, I do admire Tebow, the person.

http://www.timtebowfoundation.org/

Sorry, I guess I was "hating on" a "class act" charging $160 for his autograph.

I at least hope he gives kids free ones at training camp and other public events.

The "partial proceeds" throws me, is he pocketing some or is the money going elsewhere?

My math would make the "partial proceeds" about $130 per autograph.Sorry but to me $160 seems excessive for any player regardless of where its going

 

[fatness]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

 

[H.K.]

The "partial proceeds" throws me, is he pocketing some or is the money going elsewhere?

My math would make the "partial proceeds" about $130 per autograph.Sorry but to me $160 seems excessive for any player regardless of where its going

From his last autograph show:

Some of the proceeds from this event will help to jump start the Tebow Foundation. Since this is a fund-raising event, there is a cost to participate with a portion of all ticket and store sales from the event benefiting the new Foundation.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

If you see Tim Tebow on the street he will happily sign an autograph for you. This was a fund raising event, you couldn't participate if you weren't charging money for it.Frankly, I doubt the players were even in charge of setting the prices. This was more like the "fan day" that most universities have right before the start of football season where they get the whole team together, sit them down at tables, charge an admission fee, and then let people go around and get autographs to their heart's content once they're inside. In this case, rather than one admission price at the front door, they charged per autograph.

 

[Zoomanji]

The "partial proceeds" throws me, is he pocketing some or is the money going elsewhere?

My math would make the "partial proceeds" about $130 per autograph.Sorry but to me $160 seems excessive for any player regardless of where its going

From his last autograph show:

Some of the proceeds from this event will help to jump start the Tebow Foundation. Since this is a fund-raising event, there is a cost to participate with a portion of all ticket and store sales from the event benefiting the new Foundation.

If you see Tim Tebow on the street he will happily sign an autograph for you. This was a fund raising event, you couldn't participate if you weren't charging money for it.

Frankly, I doubt the players were even in charge of setting the prices. This was more like the "fan day" that most universities have right before the start of football season where they get the whole team together, sit them down at tables, charge an admission fee, and then let people go around and get autographs to their heart's content once they're inside. In this case, rather than one admission price at the front door, they charged per autograph.

Reread post #2.

He is charging $130 more than "other notable" athletes.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Reread post #2.He is charging $130 more than "other notable" athletes.

I saw that post. I don't see how that changes anything I said.

 

[Andrew Garda]

[quote name='Andrew Garda' I'd say Tebow is obviously on the "overly religious" end of the spectrum and I'd have to agree with Concept Coop. I don't think I've ever heard or read a single sound bite, interview or article in which Tebow isn't talking about his faith. IMO that is far more a product of Tebow than the media.

I too am an Atheist so in general the notion that good deeds come from a place of religious faith is a pretty ludicrous philosophy IMO. That doesn't change the fact that I do think Tebow is a genuinely good, well meaning person. I'd imagine I could have some pretty cool philosophical debates with him over a beer much like I do with many of my religious friends. One thing that is unquestionable is that religion sells. It always has and more than likely always will. There is no doubt the religious aspect of Tebow is leading positive merchandising results.

a) Let's not start calling how others live their lives ludicrous. It's pretty thin ice, frankly, to think your way is the only way. One doesn't have to wrong to have the other be right. I'd say the same thing to any religious folk (of any denomination) who thought you were ludicrous for not believing in a religious figure. So, let's respect some differing opinions and leave derogatory labels out of it.

b) It sounds like you're saying he's trading on his christianity, while I'm saying it's just him being him. He talks about his faith because it's a big part of his life. Again, not a Gator guy so maybe it's worse than I've seen. I'm willing to say in that way, I'm far from informed. I stopped reading tebow pub about fifteen minutes into the off-season and stuck to just watching film on his play. So maybe it's really over the top and I just haven't seen it.

I still contend he is just being him - the rest of us are reading into it with our own baggage.

edited to add: I think I agree with your larger point that Tebow appears to be a good guy who does good stuff regardless of why he does it. And I'd agree with that, though it's an awfully tough hair to split.

 

[SSOG]

a) Let's not start calling how others live their lives ludicrous. It's pretty thin ice, frankly, to think your way is the only way. One doesn't have to wrong to have the other be right. I'd say the same thing to any religious folk (of any denomination) who thought you were ludicrous for not believing in a religious figure. So, let's respect some differing opinions and leave derogatory labels out of it. b) It sounds like you're saying he's trading on his christianity, while I'm saying it's just him being him. He talks about his faith because it's a big part of his life. Again, not a Gator guy so maybe it's worse than I've seen. I'm willing to say in that way, I'm far from informed. I stopped reading tebow pub about fifteen minutes into the off-season and stuck to just watching film on his play. So maybe it's really over the top and I just haven't seen it.I still contend he is just being him - the rest of us are reading into it with our own baggage.edited to add: I think I agree with your larger point that Tebow appears to be a good guy who does good stuff regardless of why he does it. And I'd agree with that, though it's an awfully tough hair to split.

I think that Tebow is very open about his faith, always thanking God in interviews and ending press conferences with "God Bless", but I really don't think he's "trading on his faith", either. I think most of the time when he's actually talking about his faith is when he's being directly questioned on it by the media. Like the time when someone at SEC media days asked him if he was saving himself for marriage. We know that Tebow is a virgin, but not because he went out of his way to point it out to us... but because we went out of our way to find out (and I say we because, in theory, the media serves the interests of the public).I also love Tebow's response to the question. After he calmly said that he was, the assembled media pretty much just sat in stunned silence that anyone would ask anything like that at SEC media days. Tim Tebow said "I think y'all are stunned right now. Y'all can't even ask a question. Look at this. The first time ever. Wow. I was ready for the question; I don't think y'all were, though."

 

[Andrew Garda]

I think that Tebow is very open about his faith, always thanking God in interviews and ending press conferences with "God Bless", but I really don't think he's "trading on his faith", either. I think most of the time when he's actually talking about his faith is when he's being directly questioned on it by the media. Like the time when someone at SEC media days asked him if he was saving himself for marriage. We know that Tebow is a virgin, but not because he went out of his way to point it out to us... but because we went out of our way to find out (and I say we because, in theory, the media serves the interests of the public).I also love Tebow's response to the question. After he calmly said that he was, the assembled media pretty much just sat in stunned silence that anyone would ask anything like that at SEC media days. Tim Tebow said "I think y'all are stunned right now. Y'all can't even ask a question. Look at this. The first time ever. Wow. I was ready for the question; I don't think y'all were, though."

Right, it's just part of who he is.That question was a bit out of line to begin with, IMO, but his answer led to one of the funnier moments in press conference history. Now I'm pretty sure his openness about his faith does play into jersey sales and such - but I don't really think it's something on his mind.

 

[Bri]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

this was my fave autograph response. All-in-all though I think this is just a development in sports that we don't want to admit is a reality nowadays.There's been plenty of others over the years-

Sneakers ("developed with a player in mind") costing 100-150 or more.

Coaches being fired for not getting along with a top player.

Free-agency was tough to handle at first if it was your favorite player.

 

[Bri]

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that merchandise revenue is split evenly among all teams. This article seems to confirm that. It's old, but I couldn't find anything indicating that it's not still accurate.

In other words, the Jaguars get the same cut as the Broncos from every Tebow jersey sold.

I'm not saying there aren't some auxiliary benefits to drafting a transcendently popular player, but I don't think merchandise revenue plays a role.

I think jersey sales profits work something like this:10% league

40% player

50% team

That article does discuss 12% for league but isn't clear IMO. That writer mentions unshared revenue at one point and ....it's not so crystal clear at all.

This especially:

The NFL's complicated economics works like this: Every owner starts out with nearly $100 million a year each from national television and radio contracts, national sponsorships and one-third of ticket revenue from each game played, which is pooled and redistributed equally among all teams. The clubs also receive equal portions from a 12 percent royalty on every NFL-branded piece of merchandise. In all, about $3 billion of the $5.2 billion pot is shared equally.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/busines...et_tim_teb.html

https://palmbeachautographs.com/c-257-upcoming-signings.aspx

A couple of links of more info relating to Tebow's upcoming autograph session.

I agree with some others that mention that this is all a business move. Supply and demand dicates the market. There is a huge right-wing Christian fanbase with lots of $$ (repubs) that has had nothing to get excited about for some time. I don't doubt that race is also an issue. I can imagine Tebow's photo shopped face with long flowing golden brown hair over purple robes and him holding a sacred heart.

But it's not his fault. He's about as gullible as a fan base. For his beliefs I say God Bless his heart, as they say in the south.

 

[gump]

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that merchandise revenue is split evenly among all teams. This article seems to confirm that. It's old, but I couldn't find anything indicating that it's not still accurate.

In other words, the Jaguars get the same cut as the Broncos from every Tebow jersey sold.

I'm not saying there aren't some auxiliary benefits to drafting a transcendently popular player, but I don't think merchandise revenue plays a role.

I think jersey sales profits work something like this:10% league

40% player

50% team

That article does discuss 12% for league but isn't clear IMO. That writer mentions unshared revenue at one point and ....it's not so crystal clear at all.

This especially:

The NFL's complicated economics works like this: Every owner starts out with nearly $100 million a year each from national television and radio contracts, national sponsorships and one-third of ticket revenue from each game played, which is pooled and redistributed equally among all teams. The clubs also receive equal portions from a 12 percent royalty on every NFL-branded piece of merchandise. In all, about $3 billion of the $5.2 billion pot is shared equally.

The Royalties paid to the NFL from the licensed manufacturers is shared among the teams, but these are paid by the licensed manufacturers. A team does not share the revenue it makes from the direct to customer sales. So in other words, if the Broncos sell a jersey at their stadium...all teams get a portion of the 12% going to the NFL thru Reebok...but the Broncos pocket the profit they make from the difference of the cost of the jersey from Rbk and what they retail it for.The big $$ other than TV is the non-shared ticket revenue for luxury boxes...which I think would be getting a big boost in Denver also.

 

[jurb26]

[quote name='Andrew Garda' I'd say Tebow is obviously on the "overly religious" end of the spectrum and I'd have to agree with Concept Coop. I don't think I've ever heard or read a single sound bite, interview or article in which Tebow isn't talking about his faith. IMO that is far more a product of Tebow than the media.

I too am an Atheist so in general the notion that good deeds come from a place of religious faith is a pretty ludicrous philosophy IMO. That doesn't change the fact that I do think Tebow is a genuinely good, well meaning person. I'd imagine I could have some pretty cool philosophical debates with him over a beer much like I do with many of my religious friends. One thing that is unquestionable is that religion sells. It always has and more than likely always will. There is no doubt the religious aspect of Tebow is leading positive merchandising results.

a) Let's not start calling how others live their lives ludicrous. It's pretty thin ice, frankly, to think your way is the only way. One doesn't have to wrong to have the other be right. I'd say the same thing to any religious folk (of any denomination) who thought you were ludicrous for not believing in a religious figure. So, let's respect some differing opinions and leave derogatory labels out of it.

b) It sounds like you're saying he's trading on his christianity, while I'm saying it's just him being him. He talks about his faith because it's a big part of his life. Again, not a Gator guy so maybe it's worse than I've seen. I'm willing to say in that way, I'm far from informed. I stopped reading tebow pub about fifteen minutes into the off-season and stuck to just watching film on his play. So maybe it's really over the top and I just haven't seen it.

I still contend he is just being him - the rest of us are reading into it with our own baggage.

edited to add: I think I agree with your larger point that Tebow appears to be a good guy who does good stuff regardless of why he does it. And I'd agree with that, though it's an awfully tough hair to split.

A. I never said his way of life or any way of life was ludicrous. I was only pointing out that the notion of good deeds needing to come from a place of religious faith was ludicrous. There are good people doing nice things in any sect of our society and they come from all religions and spiritual beliefs, or non-beliefs.

B. I never said Tebow was trading on anything. Actually I said rather clearly that I think he just acts the way he does because that is him. That doesn't change the fact that religion, particularly Christianity in this country, happens to be very appealing to the masses and sells very well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the main topic here is Tebow's large success in NFL merchandise sales. This is clearly a major leading factor to that IMO. Sure, Tebow was a great college QB and played for a great program and that has an role as well.

I also contend that he is just being him. People feel a greater connection to him though because of these extra characteristics which I assume they feel they have in common with him and that has led to great popularity.

 

[haterade]

that's a really good point OP

Jacksonville is one franchise that was/is desperate for a shot in the arm

 

[Warrior]

$160 LOLReligious nut.

Person #1: NFL star, multimillionaire, living the ultimate dream. Sharing his beliefs to millions of adoring fans.orPerson #2: Posting hate on a fantasy message board. Probably in a basement.Which one is doing it wrong?

 

[Warrior]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

Because the market dictates the price of autographs, son. This is your first lesson in basic economics.Dont hate the player, hate the game.

 

[rascal]

Curious what you guys think of this snip below. Also can you think of any players that were drafted for sales like the writer suggests the Jags should have with Tebow? Consequently, how'd it work out for that team?

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/0...e-tebow-effect/

Plenty of people didn't think the Jaguars should waste their first round pick on Tim Tebow, who has some question marks when it comes to his ability at the professional level. However, I believe they made a huge mistake in not capitalizing on the Tim Tebow Effect, both in terms of what he brings to the field and what he can do for business. It's not a waste when you pick a beloved hometown kid who is a naturally gifted athlete, and who is guaranteed to increase ticket and merchandise sales immediately. It's especially a mistake when you look at the Jaguars situation in Jacksonville and who they did take in the first round. What were they thinking?

Tim Tebow already owns two NFL records: best rookie jersey sales ever (since the league began keeping track in 2006) and best jersey sales for the month of April on NFL.com. According to NFL.com, thirty percent of the orders came from Florida (and at least one came from yours truly, in Georgia). Let's review that again...Tim Tebow's Denver Broncos jersey was the highest grossing rookie jersey of all time and thirty percent of the orders came from Florida. Think those folks would have become Jaguars fans? Maybe go to some home games and buy some more merchandise? Gee, I wonder.

ESPN recently started a Tebow Watch page, a entire section of their website dedicated to following Tim Tebow. All of this, folks, is the Tim Tebow Effect. Now the Denver Broncos hope he has the same impact on the field and on his teammates that he did at Florida, but even if he doesn't, I guarantee you they won't regret drafting him. The Jaguars? Perhaps they'll finally see the error of their ways when the September 12th home game against the Broncos sells out and the stands are full of fans in Denver Broncos jerseys with Tebow's name emblazoned on the back.

*****

Does it matter who drafted Tebow, in regards to jersey sales, as I was under the impression that the league splits jersey $$

 

[radballs]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

Because the market dictates the price of autographs, son. This is your first lesson in basic economics.Dont hate the player, hate the game.

And what's the big deal about getting an athlete's autograph anyway if you have to pay for it? Dad, can sign anything for him for free. His dad should be his hero. Dad just busted his hump at work for a full week of pay just to afford to take his son to this #######g game. That should be enough.I'd never pay anyone for an autograph. Either give me one when I ask you if I bump into you or don't? I ain't going to a signing table with a line of people to get it. That's inane imo.

I got Joe Montana and Dwight Clark's sigs the year after they won their first Super Bowl. It was only because they came into my parents' place of business while I was working there at 16, and I asked them to put it on a torn off piece of yellow spaced paper.

And, I really like the folks that turn around and sell those autographs on EBay ( ). It's a shame that it involves money and fans trying to make money off the original "investment".

 

[radballs]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

Because the market dictates the price of autographs, son. This is your first lesson in basic economics.Dont hate the player, hate the game.

I 100% agree with this even if it somewhat contradicts with my post above. Still, I just don't understand why someone would pay anything to get an autograph.

 

[gump]

Does it matter who drafted Tebow, in regards to jersey sales, as I was under the impression that the league splits jersey $$

The teams share the Royalties that Rbk pays to the NFL.The teams do not share the profit they make from direct jersey sales to customers.

 

[fatness]

"Is that Tim Tebow, Dad?"

"Yes, it is."

"I like him a lot, Dad."

"So do I, son."

"Can I get his autograph, Dad?"

"Only if you have $160, son."

"Why does it cost $160, Dad?"

Because the market dictates the price of autographs, son. This is your first lesson in basic economics.Dont hate the player, hate the game.

"The game" isn't charging $160 for autographs. Tim Tebow is.

 

[Bri]

I figure for 160, you'd better have a purpose with that autograph you're about to receive. A signed ball put away in some cabinet, sell on e-bay etc.