Ted Sundquist Bronco's GM discussing Den's RB's (1 Viewer)

[cosjobs]

As maybe people with a clue posted, the denver RB situation is a mess, period. I don't care where you drafted any of them, it was a bad pick. Someone posted they drafted all 3 RBs. *lol* What a waste of picks and roster spots.

As of now, drafting Anderson was, in no way, a wasted pick.I nabbed him in the fifth round. To have the 100% infirmed starting back for Denver, and only losing a fifth round pick for him, is hardly a wasted pick. It may be the pick with the most value in my draft.

Most prophetic malapropism ever.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'm not arguing Dayne has a good chance to start.  But he's never been a good short distance runner so I don't see how he'll fix their problem much.  MA is the guy to trade for.

Edit to ask if Maurice is now kicking himself.  

MA is the man, we all know that. I thought this was a "who starts if MA can't?" discussion.The answer is clearly Dayne.

I honestly wonder how effective he'll be though. I'm not as high on him as I was hours ago. The more I think about it the more I'm thinking he'll be as big a flop as Bell. Am I overthinking this?

I don't think he will be quite as effective as MA because he does not have the ability to break one for 60 yards. I don't even know that he will be more effective than Bell would be from a productivity stand point, because Bell is the better runner.That being said, because Dayne can block well and pick up Blitzes he will be the one in the game. And the Denver starter is more effective than 90% of NFL RB's fantasy wise on most Sundays, regardless of who that starter is.

I would not bench a top tier RB for Dayne, but I would bench a Kevin Jones or a Brian Westbrook if Dayne is named the starter.

Denver got owned at the line yesterday, Shanny wont let that happen again.

So it was the o-line's fault the running game never got going? Then maybe Bell isn't done for quite yet. It's hard to block an entire defensive line.

 

[SSOG]

Here's why NY was a bad situation for Dayne. They wanted him to be a move-the-pile type RB. He's not a move-the-pile type RB. Denver doesn't try to move the pile most of the time. Most of the time they try and make a hole and let him pound a LB for yards. That very much suits Ron Dayne's style.I was at Denver-Miami yesterday, and I was freaking out. I saw Anderson in for two drives, and then Bell come in, and I thought "Oh, he's just being used as a change of pace". Then Bell was ineffective for a couple of drives and he was still in and I was thinking "It's just because he broke that one long run". Then Bell was in on the goal line and it finally clicked "Ohhhhhh, Mike Anderson must be injured, and the coaches are giving Bell a shot over Dayne because they want him to be successful!" Then Bell continued to suck it up, and I was looking nervously around wondering when they were going to send in Ron Dayne.I was afraid that everything I had assumed about the Denver situation was incorrect (that Anderson would be used as a workhorse, and that Dayne had a chance to be #2). I got home afterwards and checked the internet and was reassured.Here's my take on the matter. Anderson has bruised ribs and will probably be playing next week. Dayne will not be deactivated again. If Anderson goes down, I expect Bell to get one more shot against a decent defense, but he'll be on a very short leash. If he again fails to make an impression, it's the Anderson and Dayne show.Edit to say: Dayne was deactivated over Bell because he's a backup and Bell was a change of pace, so if Anderson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have seen any time and Bell would have. Had Dayne not been deactivated, I expect he would have finished the game with more carries than Bell.

 

[LivingTheDream]

If RB Mike Anderson (ribs) can't play Sunday, coach Mike Shanahan said Ron Dayne will likely be Tatum Bell's backup.Shanahan chose to deactivate Dayne in favor of a fifth wide receiver yesterday, and it backfired. Sep. 12 - 9:45 am et Source: Denver Post

 

[j3r3m3y]

So it was the o-line's fault the running game never got going? Then maybe Bell isn't done for quite yet. It's hard to block an entire defensive line.

Bell is not the change of pace back due to his running ability. It is his blocking and lack of ability to pick up Blitzes, plus he cant seem to hold on to the ball. Once people understand this they will understand why Bell is not, and wont be, the starter.Shanny is not willing to risk losing plummer for the season because the guy with the best 40 time didn't pick up the DB on a blitz.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

A quick sanity check for all the Dayne lovers:Was it not Dayne, not Bell who was inactive last week?? If the Den coaches are truly so high on him, why was he inactive?

 

[j3r3m3y]

If RB Mike Anderson (ribs) can't play Sunday, coach Mike Shanahan said Ron Dayne will likely be Tatum Bell's backup.

Shanahan chose to deactivate Dayne in favor of a fifth wide receiver yesterday, and it backfired. Sep. 12 - 9:45 am et

Source: Denver Post

Ouch. I just got pwned.

 

[j3r3m3y]

A quick sanity check for all the Dayne lovers:

Was it not Dayne, not Bell who was inactive last week?? If the Den coaches are truly so high on him, why was he inactive?

Because Dayne fills the same role as Anderson, not as Bell.

 

[Eagle Eye]

MA is the man, we all know that. I thought this was a "who starts if MA can't?" discussion.

The answer is clearly Dayne.

The answer is there is no answer right now. Anyone who thinks they know for sure here on Monday morning is wrong...even if they end up being right.

Did you read the article at the beginning of this post? The one where Denvers GM says "If Anderson can't start, Dayne is the starter"?

Yup. That's one article not even quoting Shanahan. I own MA in one league and Bell in another and I'll be trying to pick up Dayne in both since its anyone's guess what might happen here.

 

[chedha]

Here's why NY was a bad situation for Dayne. They wanted him to be a move-the-pile type RB. He's not a move-the-pile type RB. Denver doesn't try to move the pile most of the time. Most of the time they try and make a hole and let him pound a LB for yards. That very much suits Ron Dayne's style.

I was at Denver-Miami yesterday, and I was freaking out. I saw Anderson in for two drives, and then Bell come in, and I thought "Oh, he's just being used as a change of pace". Then Bell was ineffective for a couple of drives and he was still in and I was thinking "It's just because he broke that one long run". Then Bell was in on the goal line and it finally clicked "Ohhhhhh, Mike Anderson must be injured, and the coaches are giving Bell a shot over Dayne because they want him to be successful!" Then Bell continued to suck it up, and I was looking nervously around wondering when they were going to send in Ron Dayne.

I was afraid that everything I had assumed about the Denver situation was incorrect (that Anderson would be used as a workhorse, and that Dayne had a chance to be #2). I got home afterwards and checked the internet and was reassured.

Here's my take on the matter. Anderson has bruised ribs and will probably be playing next week. Dayne will not be deactivated again. If Anderson goes down, I expect Bell to get one more shot against a decent defense, but he'll be on a very short leash. If he again fails to make an impression, it's the Anderson and Dayne show.

Edit to say: Dayne was deactivated over Bell because he's a backup and Bell was a change of pace, so if Anderson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have seen any time and Bell would have. Had Dayne not been deactivated, I expect he would have finished the game with more carries than Bell.

You may want to wait until the MRI results are released to be so sure. If it's a fracture, that's a different story..

 

[OneEastRiver]

Hm.  Interesting.  I have a question for PRS Guy or any other Denver homers that listen to this show: How has Sundquist's view of the RB situation changed over the last 3-6 months?  Was he ever high on Bell?  Does he have a history of flip-flopping?  Why is he now down on Bell?  Has he regressed?  Or have the others just performed better in camp?

It's clear he likes Dayne, but I would like to know why.  And, also, was he ever high on Bell, and, if so, why has that opinion changed?

just wondering, how was the Giants running game a bad situation for Dayne.

The explanations I've read are that the Giants wanted Dayne to run like Stephen Davis, which is to say lower his shoulder, cut it up inside, and slam into a tackler while falling forward for 4-5 yards. This appears to have been based purely upon his size. In reality, Dayne is more of a shifty runner, in the Jerome Bettis mold, and he has surprising speed for his size which causes would-be tacklers to take bad lines to him, allowing him to shed arm tackles. So instead of essentially assigning him a hole and using him as a battering ram, Denver wants to zone block and allow him to pick where to cut upfield.

The above post by redman is right on the money.

Dayne led the Giants in TD's in 2001 despite being a #2 RB to Tiki. Also, for those that point to his mediocre yards per carry (3.5), lets remember that he was used as the short yardage specialist over and over again. Those 2, 1, 0, yard gains on 3rd and 4th downs would kill any RB's numbers. Not a very high probability of success when the whole world knows you are getting the ball up the middle on 4th and 1, not to mention with one of the NFL's worst O-Lines. There was never a playaction and never a doubt about the play being called.

This guy will shine IF given the opportunity to start in Denver. Its a lay-up. End of Story.

Forgot to mention he almost never turns the ball over. Almost 600 NFL carries with 3 lost fumbles. Thats much more important than you think -- especially when comparing T. Bell.

 

[Turbo Punch]

The reason Dayne was not a good fit for the Giants is really very simple. He got beat out by the better RB - Tiki Barber.I always felt that Dayne never got a fair shot at the RB job in NY. However Tiki has proven to be an exceptional back and much more than a 3rd down back as he was thought to be early in his career.So the question to ask in this situation is are either Anderson or Bell as good as Tiki? Personally, given Tiki's resume, I doubt Anderson or Bell could ever match what Tiki has done.I think this gives Dayne a legitmate shot at the fulltime role especially if Anderson is injured.

 

[PRS Guy]

Well, I am the one that started this thread so let me say that the comments from Shanny are a little surprising. If Anderson can't go, if you are to believe Shanny more than Sundquist at this point, it looks like Bell could possibly be the starter. At the same time, the way that Sundquist talked about Dayne, it seems reasonable to think that Dayne could get the lion's share of the carries come Sunday. I believe there was another thread around here with the O Line basically stating they thought Dayne would be great for them as well. I still don't own any of these RB's on any team, so I'm truly not biased here one way or the other.I'll be happy to post this week's interview with Shanny or Sundquist if I hear it. If I were to bet on this, I'd still have to put money on Dayne getting the most work, but this is Denver so I might easily be wrong and the deactiviation is strange. The special teams issue makes some sense though, but still strange. Could have as much to do with Shanny not being a mastermind after all though as much as anything.

 

[PRS Guy]

ANDERSON UPDATE: The rib injury that Anderson incurred early in the first period of Sunday's loss turned out to be separated rib cartilage, and his chances of playing Sunday are unknown at the moment."It's really dealing with the pain," Shanahan said. "It was quite sore during the game. That, again, will be determined later."Anderson was forced to the sidelines after carrying the ball just four times for five yards, but emerged from Sunday's game believing the injury would be merely a short-term problem."This is just day-to-day," Anderson said Sunday afternoon. ""Physically, I'm good. Mentally, I'm beat up (because of) the loss (and) situations on the field that happened that I couldn't participate in."

 

[zamboni]

ANDERSON UPDATE: The rib injury that Anderson incurred early in the first period of Sunday's loss turned out to be separated rib cartilage, and his chances of playing Sunday are unknown at the moment.

"It's really dealing with the pain," Shanahan said. "It was quite sore during the game. That, again, will be determined later."

Anderson was forced to the sidelines after carrying the ball just four times for five yards, but emerged from Sunday's game believing the injury would be merely a short-term problem.

"This is just day-to-day," Anderson said Sunday afternoon. ""Physically, I'm good. Mentally, I'm beat up (because of) the loss (and) situations on the field that happened that I couldn't participate in."

Sounds like Mike knows he'll be under pressure to play through the pain, considering Bell played through a separated shoulder last year.

 

[chedha]

ANDERSON UPDATE: The rib injury that Anderson incurred early in the first period of Sunday's loss turned out to be separated rib cartilage, and his chances of playing Sunday are unknown at the moment.

"It's really dealing with the pain," Shanahan said. "It was quite sore during the game. That, again, will be determined later."

Anderson was forced to the sidelines after carrying the ball just four times for five yards, but emerged from Sunday's game believing the injury would be merely a short-term problem.

"This is just day-to-day," Anderson said Sunday afternoon. ""Physically, I'm good. Mentally, I'm beat up (because of) the loss (and) situations on the field that happened that I couldn't participate in."

Well i guess it could have been worse (cracked ribs).. Although i'm not sure how severe that type of injury is.. Does anyone know anything about that type of injury??

 

[Tenderknee]

Mike Anderson didn't exactly light the world on fire in his 4 carries either.4 carries for 5 yards, with one carry going for 3, so he really went 3 carries for 1 yard.I can see how we can blast Tatem Bell for his poor performance, but it wasn't like Plummer was getting sacked all day.He got sacked once by Jason Taylor....not by Joe Shmoo....Jason Taylor.Bell should be just as good an RB to put in there as anyone else.

 

[bocksheesh]

For what it's worth regarding Tatum Bell, his 13 carries for 47 yards against Miami, while not exactly earth shattering, was not a terrible pace.Had he got 25 carries, and assuming he didn't bust a long one as the game wore on, he would have finished at or around 100 yards for the game.Again, not great, but not terrible.And also, his lack of production in the redzone was not ideal.But had Bell started the game and got a steady dose of carries, he would have been on pace for a reasonable game.

 

[Disco Stu]

Mike Anderson didn't exactly light the world on fire in his 4 carries either.

4 carries for 5 yards, with one carry going for 3, so he really went 3 carries for 1 yard.

I can see how we can blast Tatem Bell for his poor performance, but it wasn't like Plummer was getting sacked all day.

He got sacked once by Jason Taylor....not by Joe Shmoo....Jason Taylor.

Bell should be just as good an RB to put in there as anyone else.

Wow. You take a sample size that is way too small to draw conclusions about (4 carries) and then eliminate one carry to make it even smaller?!?!

 

[Twisted]

I bet he wishes he had Dayne in there on 4th and goal from the 1.... twice.

I want to know how Dayne all of a sudden became a good short yardage back

 

[broncofan13000]

not sure if this has been posted:

Broncos: Anderson day-to-day by Fanball Staff - Fanball.comTuesday, September 13, 2005NewsRunning back Mike Anderson is officially being considered day-to-day with rib-cartilage separation that knocked him out of last week's opener after four carries. He was still in discomfort on Monday, but the pain had dissipated—a good sign since his availability depends largely on how much pain he can tolerate. "I'm tired of watching. I've watched enough," Anderson said. "If that's the case, I might as well buy season tickets to this team. [it depends on if I] can run and not have a hard time breathing in and out."ViewsThe only way we can envision using Anderson or backup Tatum Bell on Sunday is if one of the two is declared the clear feature back for their home clash with the Chargers. Remember, the last time these two teams squared off in Denver, the Broncos managed only 37 total rushing yards. Given Anderson's uncertain status, a clear-cut starter seems unlikely, but we'll keep you posted on whether Mike practices and improves physically.

As a MA owner, i hope they just give him a few touches and get him ready for the KC game. Tatum would probably be the best start this week imho.

 

[zamboni]

I bet he wishes he had Dayne in there on 4th and goal from the 1.... twice.

I want to know how Dayne all of a sudden became a good short yardage back

True, Dayne failed miserably in NY, but he didn't seem to have an issue during camp and preseason games.I'm sure Shanahan doesn't care too much about past transgressions, but rather what he's shown since arriving in Denver.

 

[Bbaier]

GREAT POST.Now i've got to go cancel that trade offer for Bell. (Have M.Anderson on my roster).

 

[satch]

All the people bashing Dayne based on his past are forgetting one major fact: He now runs behind the Denver O-line. The line that does nothing but turn ordinary RBs into pro-bowlers year after year. Call me crazy, but I'm willing to roll the dice that a former Heisman winner may succeed on this team.

 

[chedha]

I'm avoiding this situation until week 3.. I'm going to start T. Jones vs Det instead of Anderson

 

[VaCatFan]

Well i guess it could have been worse (cracked ribs).. Although i'm not sure how severe that type of injury is.. Does anyone know anything about that type of injury??

I can tell you from experience that separated ribs/rib cartiledge is extremely painful. I separated mine during Tae Kwon Do class doing ground fighting. It hurts to touch, it hurts to breathe, and god forbid you have to cough or sneeze. Unfortunately for me, this was during the weather change and my allergies acted up. I can tell you it took me a good 4-5 weeks before I could really get back into physical activity. I didn't take pain killers or anything but I'm guessing that MA will do what it takes to get back in the game next week.

 

[KTM]

Mike Anderson didn't exactly light the world on fire in his 4 carries either.

4 carries for 5 yards, with one carry going for 3, so he really went 3 carries for 1 yard.

I can see how we can blast Tatem Bell for his poor performance, but it wasn't like Plummer was getting sacked all day.

He got sacked once by Jason Taylor....not by Joe Shmoo....Jason Taylor.

Bell should be just as good an RB to put in there as anyone else.

Wow. You take a sample size that is way too small to draw conclusions about (4 carries) and then eliminate one carry to make it even smaller?!?!

People will never stop doing that...Has anyone done a study of how the Denver running game has faired against 3-4 defenses?

 

[Righetti]

I read this in a Mike Anderson and Dayne thread a few days ago...

QUOTE(Nigel @ Sep 6 2005, 09:22 AM)

I spoke on the phone last night to a starter on the Denver O-line - I grew up with him and he is getting me some stuff for a charity auction.

In his words "Mike Anderson will be the man, he has looked awsome. Bell will spell him but for now Anderson will get most of the touches."

He then added "The real surprise has been Ron Dayne. I don't know why he sucked in New York - nobody can tackle him in practice."

Sounds like the great dayne is making some soild noise in Denver....

When I read this, I thought that Dayne was a worthwhile waiver claim.. If Olandis Gary, Ruben Droughns and Mike Anderson can succeed, so should the Great Dayne

 

[chedha]

Ted Sundquist the Bronco’s GM was on KLZ 560 AM this morning in Denver. I meant to post this earlier so I wouldn’t forget what he said, but I couldn’t get to it until lunch so I’ll do my best to rehash what he said.

Paraphrasing:

Q: Radio Guy - Talk about Mike Anderson…

A. Sundquist - Mike Anderson is a guy we knew would be able to shoulder the load this year. While he’s seen as being an older guy, his body is relatively young. He came into camp in tremendous shape and has never really been threatened as the starter. He’s going to get the bulk of the carries this year barring injury.

Q: Radio Guy – If something were to happen to Anderson, would we see RBBC?

A. Sundquist – You’d definitely see both Tatum and Ron get some work. We felt privately that the Giant’s system was a horrible fit for Ron, and we were quite excited to get him in here. I’ve said all along, the NFL is about 4-5 yard runs, it never has been and never will be about 60-80 yard runs. Ron Dayne is a guy that can give us 20-25 carries a game and move the chains. Ron is a big strong back, especially from the waist down. He’s much more like the Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary than people realize.

Q: Radio Guy – So Tatum Bell would be more of a change of pace back?

A: Sundquist – Yes, we’d like to see Ron wear down the defense with 20+ carries and then bring in Tatum to see what he can do, but both of them will certainly get a shot.

Looks like this may play out exactly the way the GM described..

 

[SSOG]

Ted Sundquist the Bronco’s GM was on KLZ 560 AM this morning in Denver. I meant to post this earlier so I wouldn’t forget what he said, but I couldn’t get to it until lunch so I’ll do my best to rehash what he said.

Paraphrasing:

Q: Radio Guy - Talk about Mike Anderson…

A. Sundquist - Mike Anderson is a guy we knew would be able to shoulder the load this year. While he’s seen as being an older guy, his body is relatively young. He came into camp in tremendous shape and has never really been threatened as the starter. He’s going to get the bulk of the carries this year barring injury.

Q: Radio Guy – If something were to happen to Anderson, would we see RBBC?

A. Sundquist – You’d definitely see both Tatum and Ron get some work. We felt privately that the Giant’s system was a horrible fit for Ron, and we were quite excited to get him in here. I’ve said all along, the NFL is about 4-5 yard runs, it never has been and never will be about 60-80 yard runs. Ron Dayne is a guy that can give us 20-25 carries a game and move the chains. Ron is a big strong back, especially from the waist down. He’s much more like the Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary than people realize.

Q: Radio Guy – So Tatum Bell would be more of a change of pace back?

A: Sundquist – Yes, we’d like to see Ron wear down the defense with 20+ carries and then bring in Tatum to see what he can do, but both of them will certainly get a shot.

Looks like this may play out exactly the way the GM described..

You're missing one key part.