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[Cliff Clavin]

i should not have engaged Larry on this in this thread sorry mad props to Jason Collins

The mental gymnastics he performs are quite entertaining. I, for one, am glad you engaged him.

i am pretty sure i could use his arguments to justify enslaving all gays and having them build a bomb and then using said bomb to nuke the very same gays for acting immoral and acting against god unless some are abstaining....

You forget to squeeze dragons in there. Never forget about the dragons.

 

[SWC]

i am not going to post in this thread again until i feel like it probably to be truthful but i will leave it at this hate is a powerful thing it makes people twist the words of the bible even to support it but in the end it is cowardly and just like with slaves, blacks, women and other groups tolerance will eventually prevail and the bigots and racists and chavunists will be sent to the narrow corners of our society eventually because even though it never seems like it people are generally pretty good and pick up on what is right and eventually do the right thing although sadly it takes longer than it should so to all those in the closet or who feel like committing suicide because some guy like larry boy is telling you the bible and god do not love you please keep in mind that there are a lot more of us out here who think that god does love you just the same and it will get better and screw anyone who gives you a hard time you are not alone amen form the old swcer taking a stand on this one brohans

 

[B-Deep]

i should not have engaged Larry on this in this thread sorry mad props to Jason Collins

The mental gymnastics he performs are quite entertaining. I, for one, am glad you engaged him.

i am pretty sure i could use his arguments to justify enslaving all gays and having them build a bomb and then using said bomb to nuke the very same gays for acting immoral and acting against god unless some are abstaining....

You forget to squeeze dragons in there. Never forget about the dragons.

the dragon can drop the nuke on the homosexuals

 

[Disco Stu]

"Why did you kill all those women and children??"

"God commanded it."

"Oh ok, cool."

 

[badmojo1006]

and if i recall

Jericho was not an isreali uprising

it was a city of people living its lives, and god ordered every living soul (other than the hooker) to be killed simply for picking the wrong piece of land to live on (if you believe that stuff)

future uprisings, not current.

Think Japan in WWII, if we wouldn't have dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they would have literally fought us to the last person standing in the island of Japan, that is the world Israel lived in in those days, every nation was similar to that.

There was little choice but to either destroy your enemies completely or to enslave them (and even enslaving them wasn't assured to keep peace going forward). There wasn't choice because they'd keep fighting forever, even if it was hopeless.

So God spoke to Harry Truman and said "Drop the Bomb"?

 

[squistion]

and if i recall

Jericho was not an isreali uprising

it was a city of people living its lives, and god ordered every living soul (other than the hooker) to be killed simply for picking the wrong piece of land to live on (if you believe that stuff)

future uprisings, not current.

Think Japan in WWII, if we wouldn't have dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they would have literally fought us to the last person standing in the island of Japan, that is the world Israel lived in in those days, every nation was similar to that.

There was little choice but to either destroy your enemies completely or to enslave them (and even enslaving them wasn't assured to keep peace going forward). There wasn't choice because they'd keep fighting forever, even if it was hopeless.

Not everyone agrees with that, but not unexpected you would repeat that mantra:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-it-was-not-to-end-the-war-or-save-lives/5308192

Atomic Weapons Were Not Needed to End the War or Save Lives

Like all Americans, I was taught that the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to end WWII and save both American and Japanese lives.

But most of the top American military officials at the time said otherwise.

The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946 that concluded (52-56):

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

General (and later president) Dwight Eisenhower – then Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces, and the officer who created most of America’s WWII military plans for Europe and Japan – said:

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>The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.

 

[Fennis]

"Why did you kill all those women and children??"

"God commanded it."

"Oh ok, cool."

People were killed differently back then. They weren't killed in the modern sense of the word.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"

What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

 

[Joe Summer]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

[Larry] But the bible doesn't actually say "shall not kill", it says "shall not murder"!!! [/Larry](Nevermind the fact that the word "murder" did not exist 2000 years ago.)

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

"thou shalt not kill" is not what was actually written (by Moses if you believe he wrote those books). The Hebrew words actually mean "thou shalt not murder".

If that passage is a blanket commandment to never kill anything, its ridiculous and impossible. If its a command never to kill another human, God commanded them to violate it (making it null and void). But if it is a command not to murder, than it fits.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Larry, your god sounds like a real swell guy.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"

What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

[Larry] But the bible doesn't actually say "shall not kill", it says "shall not murder"!!! [/Larry](Nevermind the fact that the word "murder" did not exist 2000 years ago.)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7523&t=KJV

info on the Hebrew word used in that passage in Exodus. Another way to say it is "homicide".

if they just meant "kill" or "end the life of another", this word is translated into "kill" much more often: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2026&t=KJV

also these:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4191&t=KJV

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5221&t=KJV

so to act like there aren't different meanings behind these FOUR different words that can all be translated to "slay", "kill", "murder", etc. is silly. There are specific usages for each and specific meanings for each. The one in the 10 commandments is talking about unlawful killings, not killings during war on the battlefield or in self-defense.

 

[Fennis]

so were all cool with turning someone into a pillar of salt?

 

[Sammy3469]

Larry, your god sounds like a real swell imaginary unicorn-y dragon guy.

 

[Steve Tasker]

larry boy you are on the wrong side of history just think about this man you join those who used religion to support slavery who used religion to support segregation who used religion to repress women and who now are using religion to hate gays that is a pretty exclusive club but not one i want to be a part of and i am sad that you are a member

you say I'm on the wrong side of history...

But if I'm right about the existence of God and the Bible being His message for humanity, then I'm not on the wrong side of history.

You only say I'm on the wrong side of history because you disagree with my belief about what life is. That isn't being on the wrong side of history, its disagreeing on what history is.

lol

glwat

 

[squistion]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

[Larry] But the bible doesn't actually say "shall not kill", it says "shall not murder"!!! [/Larry](Nevermind the fact that the word "murder" did not exist 2000 years ago.)

On a side note, neither did the word homosexual for that matter. Despite its ring of going back to antiquity, it was not coined until sometime in the 1880s by either German or Swiss physicians and didn't appear in print in English for the first time until about 1892 when a medical text was translated (don't have the time to find the link).

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"

What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

[Larry] But the bible doesn't actually say "shall not kill", it says "shall not murder"!!! [/Larry](Nevermind the fact that the word "murder" did not exist 2000 years ago.)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7523&t=KJV

info on the Hebrew word used in that passage in Exodus. Another way to say it is "homicide".

if they just meant "kill" or "end the life of another", this word is translated into "kill" much more often: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2026&t=KJV

also these:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4191&t=KJV

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5221&t=KJV

so to act like there aren't different meanings behind these FOUR different words that can all be translated to "slay", "kill", "murder", etc. is silly. There are specific usages for each and specific meanings for each. The one in the 10 commandments is talking about unlawful killings, not killings during war on the battlefield or in self-defense.

Here you go

 

[SWC]

larry boy you are on the wrong side of history just think about this man you join those who used religion to support slavery who used religion to support segregation who used religion to repress women and who now are using religion to hate gays that is a pretty exclusive club but not one i want to be a part of and i am sad that you are a member

you say I'm on the wrong side of history...

But if I'm right about the existence of God and the Bible being His message for humanity, then I'm not on the wrong side of history.

You only say I'm on the wrong side of history because you disagree with my belief about what life is. That isn't being on the wrong side of history, its disagreeing on what history is.

lol

glwat

all i will say is that when the old swcer is beating you up in an argument you should just stop because things clearly have not turned out how you planned bam right there bromigos another mystery solved by the old swcer

 

[Frostillicus]

So god loves war, is that what I'm getting out of all this?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So god loves war, is that what I'm getting out of all this?

And genocide.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Here you go, Larry.

Larry didn't bring the Christianity debate into this thread.

Don't care. He's terrible.

Then by all means, continue being a doosh.

I'm the doosh for pointing out absudity?

Looks like you're in the clear - right here in Matthew 18: 15-16.

Matthew 18:

15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If your brother or sister resorts to absurd centuries-old arguments during internet discussions of 7-foot tall gay dudes, thou shalt smite him. Should no smiting device be available, thou shalt cast doubt upon the validity of their claims. If they listen to you, you have won them over. If they do not listen to you, it is for they are insane. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

 

[badmojo1006]

Larry Boy has been knocked down so many times I have lost count! The ref should have stopped this fight a long time ago!

Stay down Larry, Stay down!

 

[Smack Tripper]

Larry, the bible doesn't say "thou shall not kill unless"

What else do you pick and choose at the bible buffet?

[Larry] But the bible doesn't actually say "shall not kill", it says "shall not murder"!!! [/Larry](Nevermind the fact that the word "murder" did not exist 2000 years ago.)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7523&t=KJV

info on the Hebrew word used in that passage in Exodus. Another way to say it is "homicide".

if they just meant "kill" or "end the life of another", this word is translated into "kill" much more often: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2026&t=KJV

also these:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4191&t=KJV

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5221&t=KJV

so to act like there aren't different meanings behind these FOUR different words that can all be translated to "slay", "kill", "murder", etc. is silly. There are specific usages for each and specific meanings for each. The one in the 10 commandments is talking about unlawful killings, not killings during war on the battlefield or in self-defense.

Boy, god sure left a lot of loopholes. Here I thought "thou shall not kill" would cover things. It sure seems to in abortion debates. I'm sorry for mucking this thread and playing out this dance but it could go on all day. What you're left with Larry is a bunch of limp Grey area from an infallible god. If that's how you and Broussard want to live your life, Godspeed.

But how is your kosher kitchen working out for you?

 

[Parrothead]

so were all cool with turning someone into a pillar of salt?

no- too much sodium.. how about a nice pillar of whole grains

 

[Eephus]

so were all cool with turning someone into a pillar of salt?

no- too much sodium.. how about a nice pillar of whole grains

You whiffed on the punch line. It's a Lot of sodium.

 

[BobbyLayne]

so were all cool with turning someone into a pillar of salt?

no- too much sodium.. how about a nice pillar of whole grains

You whiffed on the punch line. It's a Lot of sodium.

First good line in about 3 pages. 'grats.

WTH is this thread about, anyway?

 

[Vykng]

Can we just believe what we choose and stop the madness of these threads?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

so were all cool with turning someone into a pillar of salt?

no- too much sodium.. how about a nice pillar of whole grains

You whiffed on the punch line.

Na

 

[the moops]

slavery had a purpose then

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

From a friend's e-mail...

Seems to be a lot of talk about the Jason Collins announcement. That is all fine for him, but publicly announcing that you play for the Washington Wizards has to bring ridicule to his friends and family. It is kind of understood that there are guys in the league that play for the Wizards, but it is not something that you draw attention to. He could have quietly retired after this year and I would have thought he was still a Celtic. Now to me he will always be “Jason Collins – another guy with poor production that played for the Wizards.”

 

[timschochet]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

. . . and here's another person who didn't actually watch the clip before expressing his opinion on it.

 

[B-Deep]

I think Broussard was wrong for dropping so many f-bombs in his statement, and what was that detour about lubricants all about? It seemed completely off topic

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think Broussard was wrong for dropping so many f-bombs in his statement, and what was that detour about lubricants all about? It seemed completely off topic

It's not often that I say to myself "I'm glat to see tim posting in this thread," but I think we can all be thankful that he just ignored the last couple of pages on genocide and nuclear war and got us back on topic.

 

[timschochet]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

. . . and here's another person who didn't actually watch the clip before expressing his opinion on it.

I watched it after it was posted here. Did I miss something?

 

[rascal]

Had anybody heard of Jason Collins before this? What an excellent PR move. Well done.

 

[Hang 10]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

You should watch the clip. He pretty much covers your question.

 

[Slapdash]

Had anybody heard of Jason Collins before this? What an excellent PR move. Well done.

Haven't heard of either of these guys.

 

[larry_boy_44]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

You know, I've never in my entire life as a Christian heard an entire sermon on homosexuality being sinful. You know that?

I've heard sermons on being truthful, on being sexually pure before marriage (note: assumed heterosexuality, sure), on not gambling, not drinking, not doing drugs, not smoking, etc...

But NEVER heard more than a passing mention of how homosexuality is a sin. Christians don't spend nearly as much time and energy as you think they do worrying or talking about homosexuality...

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

. . . and here's another person who didn't actually watch the clip before expressing his opinion on it.

I watched it after it was posted here. Did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed the part where he explicitly addresses your point about adultery (he actually uses premarital sex as an example instead, but the point is the same), the part where he carefully makes it clear that there's nothing special or worse about homosexuality, and the part where he was asked about his opinion on this issue and didn't just bring it up on his own.

 

[larry_boy_44]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

. . . and here's another person who didn't actually watch the clip before expressing his opinion on it.

 

[B-Deep]

ok here is what i would say about Broussard (after I watched the clip)

He is 100% entitled to his thoughts, and entitled to share them

People are 100% entitled to judge him based on those thoughts.

If you are angry be angry at ESPN, because that question was not asked blind, they knew what his response would be. The good news, i suppose, is it is bringing some publicity to him and the network. The bad news is a large portion of the country will now see him in a certain unflattering light. Compounding this is that when there seems to be overwhelming public support of Collins to be an NBA analyst that is not supporting him is a huge risk.

IF you believe the same things Broussard does he may be heroic to you, he did risk looking badly in public to stand up for his views. If you do not agree with him he probably seems like a rationalizing bigot to you.

Either way, he is entitled to his view and if his network wants to parade him out there to generate publicity that is their right as well. If it damages his career they'll just fill his place with someone else. If there's a giant backlash they'll disavow support of what he said. They had little to lose in this situation.

 

[Parrothead]

Had anybody heard of Jason Collins before this? What an excellent PR move. Well done.

yep- see you on the book tour

 

[B-Deep]

If Chris Broussard had been asked about an NBA player who committed adultery, would he have said, "Well, that guy can't be a Christian; that's my personal belief"? I strongly doubt it. My point here isn't that people like Broussard are wrong when they say that homosexuality is a sin against Christianity; it's how much time an energy they spend focusing on this particular sin compared to others which, according to Scripture, are equally sinful. So why so much time spent on this particular sin? I suspect the answer to that has nothing to do with religious belief.

. . . and here's another person who didn't actually watch the clip before expressing his opinion on it.

I watched it after it was posted here. Did I miss something?

He specifically said someone unrepentantly committing adultery was in the same situation. While I agree some Christians focus too much on this one sin, there's no evidence that Brou does that, you are kind of just assuming that all Christians are the same.

 

[eurotrashman]

Who is Chris Broussard??

 

[AAABatteries]

If I can convince Jason that he was just goofing around and isn't really gay can one of the mods nuke this thread? Holy hell.

 

[Fennis]

Who is Chris Broussard??

some dude on the down low

 

[joffer]

you guys playing cards?

 

[B-Deep]

By the way, the SI article was really well done.

 

[Village Idiot]

and if i recall

Jericho was not an isreali uprising

it was a city of people living its lives, and god ordered every living soul (other than the hooker) to be killed simply for picking the wrong piece of land to live on (if you believe that stuff)

future uprisings, not current.

Think Japan in WWII, if we wouldn't have dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they would have literally fought us to the last person standing in the island of Japan, that is the world Israel lived in in those days, every nation was similar to that.

There was little choice but to either destroy your enemies completely or to enslave them (and even enslaving them wasn't assured to keep peace going forward). There wasn't choice because they'd keep fighting forever, even if it was hopeless.

So God spoke to Harry Truman and said "Drop the Bomb"?

Actually God pointed at a picture of the bomb then pointed at Japan and said "well Danny, we're waiting?."

That may have been Caddy Shack and not God and Truman, but it might be right.