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Tennis - Sinner accepts three month ban - won't miss Roland Garros (2 Viewers)

Redwes25 said:
Because she claimed he stole a point. Not like saying he is a general criminal. 
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She lost a point for smashing her racquet.  That’s not really a debatable penalty or something she can blame on Ramos.

 
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People who watched the match how much did the penalties come into play? Did she deserve them? Some of the stories I have been reading make it sound like she robbed or something. Huffpo covering it for some reason.

 
The General said:
People who watched the match how much did the penalties come into play? Did she deserve them? Some of the stories I have been reading make it sound like she robbed or something. Huffpo covering it for some reason.
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Yes, but...

The racket smash will always be a penalty. Generally though, a player knows they get a warning first. Seemingly, Serena forgot that she wasted her warning on the coaching issue.

The coaching issue generally doesn't get called, but the ump had a history of looking out for coaching and issuing warnings before the match.
There is zero way to overlook the racket smash. Will be called every time, was called in the women's doubles today.
With the coaching warning already in place, he had to take the point. 
Then Serena started into him. He probably should have issued a warning that if she said anything else he would have to take a game, but she deserved what she got.

 
Gawain said:
Yes, but...

The racket smash will always be a penalty. Generally though, a player knows they get a warning first. Seemingly, Serena forgot that she wasted her warning on the coaching issue.

The coaching issue generally doesn't get called, but the ump had a history of looking out for coaching and issuing warnings before the match.
There is zero way to overlook the racket smash. Will be called every time, was called in the women's doubles today.
With the coaching warning already in place, he had to take the point. 
Then Serena started into him. He probably should have issued a warning that if she said anything else he would have to take a game, but she deserved what she got.
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Will try and watch on YouTube later. She lost her composure it sounds like, it happens. Don’t really need to see articles bending over backwards to make this some big sexism thing. 

 
James Daulton said:
For @Dentist what's sweeter Fed winning or Ralph quitting?  I'd guess Fed winning but I bet it's closer than we'd think.
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You're spot on here.

I love fed winning, but get just as much satisfaction when Ralph loses, if he gets hurt all the better.

I was definitely pulling for delpo today, I'd prefer not to have to worry and sweat novak someday.

 
The General said:
People who watched the match how much did the penalties come into play? Did she deserve them? Some of the stories I have been reading make it sound like she robbed or something. Huffpo covering it for some reason.
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Technically, she deserved them all.  The coaching warning isn't usually called, but it can be called even in the player isn't looking to be coached so long as the coach is trying to do so.  In an interview after the match, the coach admitted to coaching Serena.  On the broadcast, it looked like he was pushing forward as if to suggest going to the net, and coincidentally or not, Serena started coming in more in the games that followed.  Once it was called, Serena never regained her full composure.  The racket smash was a clear violation, and given the previous warning, meant she would lose a point.  She kept arguing about the coaching warning with the umpire and eventually called him a thief, which was the umpire took as the third violation, which meant a game penalty.  While I see many argue that men have called officials much worse and not lost a game for it, I think the use of the word 'thief' was construed as Serena questioning his integrity as an official as if he made the call to intentionally put her at a disadvantage, which would be unacceptable to any self-respecting official.   

Overall, the coaching warning was pretty weak and could have been overlooked.  Once it was, however, it was on Serena to shake it off as a bad call and move on with the match.  She never did, as she kept yelling at the umpire during each changeover.  I think the last two penalties were merited. 

 
Dentist said:
You're spot on here.

I love fed winning, but get just as much satisfaction when Ralph loses, if he gets hurt all the better.

I was definitely pulling for delpo today, I'd prefer not to have to worry and sweat novak someday.
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Did he bang your sister or something?

 
WhatDoIKnow said:
Tennis question.  I get that it is currently a rule and should be warned/penalized, but why can't coaches coach during a match?
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They actually can on the women's tour. They can call the coach down on the court and receive coaching. Serena has never used it.

 
Good Morning America trying hard this morning to turn this into sexism thing this morning.  I guess anything to get dopes to watch.

Wait.

 
parasaurolophus said:
I cant believe how long these guys have just dominated tennis. Will Murray be next in line for a resurgence? 
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Murray was always a step below the other three, I don’t think he comes back to the top.

I liked what I saw from Thiem this tourney, hoping he uses it as a stepping stone to take the leep to major winner.

 
Dentist said:
You're spot on here.

I love fed winning, but get just as much satisfaction when Ralph loses, if he gets hurt all the better.

I was definitely pulling for delpo today, I'd prefer not to have to worry and sweat novak someday.
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When does the sweat start?

 
Monkian said:
When does the sweat start?
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I was pulling for nole Sunday.  But for me the sweat starts when he hits 17.   

Gen next just has to have a breakthrough.   

I really enjoyed seeing Ralph get obliterated Sunday though.

The ao is to Ralph now as the French is to novak and Roger.

5 majors is still a lot to get and he's got a lot of weeks at number 1 to catch him.

If novak has the power to do it, so be it. Just as long as Ralph doesn't get to 20

 
Conflicted on whether I want Federer to win this match or not.   On one hand of course I want him to win..  on the other he's just going to advance to get pwned by Nadal.. which i don't want to see.

 
Capella said:
Will the semifinals/finals be on tv? The lack of tv footage for this really sucks. 
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It's been live for about 12 hours a day since the first round on the Tennis Channel.

 
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I set my alarm for 4am to watch this Fed-Nadal semi-final.

Nadal is soul crushing on clay.  He has hit some absolute lasers today.

 
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Teddy Stickles said:
I set my alarm for 4am to watch this Fed-Nadal semi-final.

Nadal is soul crushing on clay.  He has hit some absolute lasers today.
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I turned it on and Fed is down a set but up a game in the 2nd and at deuce.  Since then Nadal has just dominated and it looks like it dominated the first.  But you know what - this tournament only cements Nadal for me (if he wins) - Fed coming back to Paris and making the semis yet again at his age is still pretty remarkable to me.  If anything - having to play against Joker and Nadal for a decent part of his career makes Fed's GOAT title even more a no-brainer. 

But what Nadal does on clay is just crazy.  As much as I'm a mini-Dentist and hate the guy you have to respect what he does at RG.

 
From twitter - BW wind & Nadal’s mastery of clay, @rogerfederer said he didn’t know what more he cld have done in 63, 64, 62 SF loss. Re Nadal, Fed said: “There’s nobody who even plays remotely like him,” adding it’s impossible to practice or prepare 4 Nadal on clay bc he’s such an outlier.

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For the tennis experts - what is it that Nadal does that is so different than everyone else? I mean, obviously I know he's awesome on clay. But why? 

Thanks.

 
whoknew said:
For the tennis experts - what is it that Nadal does that is so different than everyone else? I mean, obviously I know he's awesome on clay. But why? 
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The topspin, mostly. The ball just leaps up at you all day; it's hard to control and tiring.

That and the roids.  :boxing:

 
AAABatteries said:
I turned it on and Fed is down a set but up a game in the 2nd and at deuce.  Since then Nadal has just dominated and it looks like it dominated the first.  But you know what - this tournament only cements Nadal for me (if he wins) - Fed coming back to Paris and making the semis yet again at his age is still pretty remarkable to me.  If anything - having to play against Joker and Nadal for a decent part of his career makes Fed's GOAT title even more a no-brainer. 

But what Nadal does on clay is just crazy.  As much as I'm a mini-Dentist and hate the guy you have to respect what he does at RG.
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🤔  But he played a good portion when top contenders were Hewitt and Roddick.

Federer 20 major wins, 13 in tournaments where he did not face Djokovic or Nadal - 65%

Nadal 17 major wins, 5 in tournaments where he did not face Djokovic or Federer - 29%

Djokovic 15 major wins, 4 in tournaments where he did not face Nadal or Federer - 27%

Federer did most his work not facing these guys.  

 
Master of Past and Present said:
🤔  But he played a good portion when top contenders were Hewitt and Roddick.

Federer 20 major wins, 13 in tournaments where he did not face Djokovic or Nadal - 65%

Nadal 17 major wins, 5 in tournaments where he did not face Djokovic or Federer - 29%

Djokovic 15 major wins, 4 in tournaments where he did not face Nadal or Federer - 27%

Federer did most his work not facing these guys.  
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I said a decent part.  It was definitely the 2nd half but I think most people agree that Fed would have won more without those 2 around.  And yes, it works both ways - those two guys would have won more also.  The other thing is, yes they had to face Roger more but it was Roger on the downward arc of his career.  I'd say the other two are just now on the downward part of theirs.  Read: their peak is behind them.

 
kevzilla said:
The topspin, mostly. The ball just leaps up at you all day; it's hard to control and tiring.

That and the roids.  :boxing:
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It’s the power of the topspin.  Prior to Nadal, you either had wicked spin or straight line crushers, but he combined them in a magic display of brutality and precision.  And nothing gets by him, he’s a backboard.  I’m a Fed = GOAT truther, but I’m also okay with he and Nadal being a 1a/1b combo 

 
AAABatteries said:
I said a decent part.  It was definitely the 2nd half but I think most people agree that Fed would have won more without those 2 around.  And yes, it works both ways - those two guys would have won more also.  The other thing is, yes they had to face Roger more but it was Roger on the downward arc of his career.  I'd say the other two are just now on the downward part of theirs.  Read: their peak is behind them.
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Seems the cop out is always (well, not always since surface too) age compared to them like he should be lifted up from not having to beat elite players for years and not penalized for losing later (yet his best win streak vs Nadal is in recent years).  This is also why you can not look at raw numbers like Federer has won 20 majors, Nadal 17, and Djokovic 15 and treat them like each means the same.  Since Djokovic and Nadal have had another elite rival to face during their career, their numbers would seem more impressive than they are while since Federer got to face a few years of no elite players, his 20 seems less impressive than the number would suggest.  There always seems to be things explained away for Federer, his bad record vs Nadal, his bad record vs Nadal/Djokovic in majors (9-19), whatever it is.  Seems the greatest and one cemented by Nadal and Djokovic being around wouldn't need so many excuses.  So he gets a credit for them being around with no downside because of excuses.  

Also we're in a new age where age is really hard to compare when guys go down.  This isn't the 90's where 30 was a hugely bad number to hit.  Guys in multiple sports are still at the top of their game later than ever.   Nutrition and fitness has really helped extend primes, I don't think Federer fell off his prime while those guys popped up as much as Federer fans would like others to believe, he was facing better players finally. 

 
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AAABatteries said:
I turned it on and Fed is down a set but up a game in the 2nd and at deuce.  Since then Nadal has just dominated and it looks like it dominated the first.  But you know what - this tournament only cements Nadal for me (if he wins) - Fed coming back to Paris and making the semis yet again at his age is still pretty remarkable to me.  If anything - having to play against Joker and Nadal for a decent part of his career makes Fed's GOAT title even more a no-brainer. 

But what Nadal does on clay is just crazy.  As much as I'm a mini-Dentist and hate the guy you have to respect what he does at RG.
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In that second set, Fed was serving at either 40-love or 40-15.  Nadal dominated the next 4 or 5 points straight to break Fed.  That was the knockout blow IMHO to Fed.  He knew he was defeated.  The spin that Nadal puts on the ball in incredible.

I've always been on Team Fed but props certainly go out to Nadal.  I thought I read that Fed won the previous five versus Nadal, granted none of those were on clay.  Pretty awesome run for Fed to come back to RG and make it to the semi-finals  :thumbup: .  I personally did not think he would get past Wawrinka.  The Thiem-Joker match is postponed until 2am tomorrow morning.  The winds were howling and that affected Joker's game in the first set as he was on-tilt.  That's going to be a rough one to set the alarm and wake for.

 
AAABatteries said:
I turned it on and Fed is down a set but up a game in the 2nd and at deuce.  Since then Nadal has just dominated and it looks like it dominated the first.  But you know what - this tournament only cements Nadal for me (if he wins) - Fed coming back to Paris and making the semis yet again at his age is still pretty remarkable to me.  If anything - having to play against Joker and Nadal for a decent part of his career makes Fed's GOAT title even more a no-brainer. 

But what Nadal does on clay is just crazy.  As much as I'm a mini-Dentist and hate the guy you have to respect what he does at RG.
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I respect the hell out of Nadal, especially on clay.  I mean he has double the titles at rg as the next guy, that's absurd.   

It's interesting to imagine what Federer career looks like without Nadal.

Would he have like 5 rg's and 30 majors or would he have gotten bored after like 2 or 3 calendar year slams back in 06 07  and not pushed himself after passing Pete.

It's hard to imagine him playing still today without Nadal because i think he still feels like he needs to get another major or he will be passed up.

The fact that the three best players of all time are playing right now and aren't letting anyone else get many titles is absurd.   Over 10 years of the same three guys?  Crazy

 
They have to rename Roland Garros center court after Rafa once retired, right?  I remember when Kuerten winning his 3 was such an amazing feat and Borg with his 6.  But 12 now?  Even on the women’s side, I don’t think any one player has dominated one major (or even tournament) like this.  He deserves center court naming. 

 
Nadal vs. Federer in Wimbledon semis tomorrow morning. Rafa the slight betting favorite.

Feels like a match for 2nd place. But if somehow Djokovic loses the early semi, we would have another legacy match at hand.

 
I have to admit if Rafa beats Federer today and goes on to take the title that I start to see the possibility that he could take of GOAT title from Federer.  This is Roger's surface and Rafa beat him the last time - if he does it again I think it says something.  Fed never gets one over on him on clay. 

They were just talking about what if Joker is the one who ends up with the most majors.  It's odd but I still see him as solidly behind the other two.  Don't get me wrong, he's great, but he's never seemed as dominant to me for some reason.

 
Master of Past and Present said:
🤔  But he played a good portion when top contenders were Hewitt and Roddick.

Federer 20 major wins, 13 in tournaments where he did not face Djokovic or Nadal - 65%

Nadal 17 major wins, 5 in tournaments where he did not face Djokovic or Federer - 29%

Djokovic 15 major wins, 4 in tournaments where he did not face Nadal or Federer - 27%

Federer did most his work not facing these guys.  
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He's 5.5 years older than Rafa, and 6.5 years older than Djokovic.  He had 12 wins before Djokovic won his first.

 
Rafa has won 12 of his 18 at the French and is 3-2-1 at the other majors.

Fed is 8 (Wimbledon) and 6-5-1 across the other three majors.

Djoker is 7 (Aussie) and 4-3-1 elsewhere.  He's the real threat to Federer's legacy IMO.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
He's 5.5 years older than Rafa, and 6.5 years older than Djokovic.  He had 12 wins before Djokovic won his first.
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Yep - to me that's one of the underrated stories in all of this.  Just how good Federer is at 37.  There was a time about 2 years ago that people thought he was done.  He's easily the 3rd best player in the world still. 

 
Can we just advance Joker to Sunday and get to the main event?  I know this Spaniard has beaten Joker twice this year but does anybody think he has a chance here?  I don't.

 
All current men’s players under age 30 have combined to win one set in the finals of a major tournament. That’s nuts. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
All current men’s players under age 30 have combined to win one set in the finals of a major tournament. That’s nuts. 
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Murray and Warinka have to be the greatest 3-time major winners in tennis history.

In a different world we'd still be celebrating the storied Andy-Stan rivalry.

ETA:  actually that's not right.  Warinka only made 4 finals and won 3(!) of them.  Murray though -- 11 times a finalist even in the Fed-Rafa-Djoker era.

 
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Still a long way to go but this has the same feel to me that most of the last several matches between these guys has had.  Federer gets some chances and plays great on his service.  He just never converts his chances.  He could win this in straight sets for all I know but my guess is he loses in 4.  He has either a physical or mental block with Rafa (or both).  He just can't get over the hump - as a fan of his it's frustrating so I'm sure it's frustrating to him.

 
I had typed this:

And just like that Federer has a mi#### at Deuce on Rafa's serve, loses the first point of the tiebreak and then loses the 5th point on a good serve that he should convert.  I'm leaning towards it being a mental block.

That's huge comeback and first set win - he absolutely had to have that or I think he was done.  Rafa can still win this though.

 
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Some good tennis from both of them - Roger's return game looking good. Rafa had to really pull out some shots as only he knows how.

 
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