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Tennis - Sinner accepts three month ban - won't miss Roland Garros (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
Conservatives on various right wing websites are going off on Serena Williams. The hatred is really ugly and a lot of it is racist in tone. Part of it is her support for Kaepernick. 
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Christ you can't discuss anything without bringing your political BS into the mix.  Plenty of nasty comments about her on twitter.  Everyone on twitter conservative?   

 
timschochet said:
I didn’t see it, but the guy on CNN said that hand signals are done all the time, everybody does it, nobody has ever been called for it. 

There are already charges of sexism and racism (on the internet, not on CNN). 
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Sounds a lot like a Patriots fan with this post

 
timschochet said:
I didn’t see it, but the guy on CNN said that hand signals are done all the time, everybody does it, nobody has ever been called for it. 

There are already charges of sexism and racism (on the internet, not on CNN). 
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Lots of crazy stuff gets said on the Internet. Heck, I’ve seen people on the internet defend pedophilia and besmirch victims of pedophilia.

 
Silly of the ump to not give her at least one more warning, but she really was making it all about herself and her drama, and I don’t care who you think you are in the sport, rules are rules, and two warnings in you shut your pie hole, period.  She in that sense earned it.

It also really was kind of silly when she brought up her kid. We get it, you’re a mom now. Pedal off the gas with the faux outrage about being called a cheater. Talk about melodramatic. 

Felt bad for Osaka.  Biggest moment in her life completely ruined for her.  Serena tried to be nice enough about it, but the damage was done.

Also poor Osaka is SO Japanese, she has the personality of a robot.  She’s like Vicki from Small Wonder.  I feel bad for her.

 
Racism and sexism  :loco: .  She’s such a spoiled brat.  

Don’t cheat, verbally abuse the judge, or smash your racquet.  This isn’t complex.

 
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When she played the i have a daughter card all i could think of was the fbg pet peeve thread. 

She looks like a big baby here and shame on that crowd. 

 
jonessed said:
Racism and sexism  :loco: .  She’s such a spoiled brat.  

Don’t cheat, verbally abuse the judge, or smash your racquet.  This isn’t complex.
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It's so dumb. Osaka is female, Hatian and Japanese yet Serena is the victim? LOL whatever.

 
timschochet said:
I didn’t see it, but the guy on CNN said that hand signals are done all the time, everybody does it, nobody has ever been called for it. 

There are already charges of sexism and racism (on the internet, not on CNN). 
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Her opponent was also a woman

 
I never got the impression the crowd was booing osaka.

They were booing the various officials.

Maybe this will toughen Osaka up.  She needs it.

 
Not sure how anyone can defend Serena here.  She completely unraveled and took it too far.  She's only human and it happens.  

 
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Surprised no McEnroe references yet...one of my great sports experiences was seeing him at Wimbledon in ‘89...everyone wanted him to explode and attack an ump.  Part of his legend.  But feels different...he put on a show then moved on.  Serena goes personal and won’t let go. Scary vs entertaining.

 
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gump said:
Surprised no McEnroe references yet...one of my great sports experiences was seeing him at Wimbledon in ‘89...everyone wanted him to explode and attack an ump.  Part of his legend.  But feels different...he put on a show then moved on.  Serena goes personal and won’t let go. Scary vs entertaining.
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When she kept referencing the double standard he’s the first one I could think of.  That’s also, what, 30 years ago?  Not really a double standard at all. Between that and the claims about fighting for equality it’s like she was in a time warp back to 1975. 

 
Otis said:
Silly of the ump to not give her at least one more warning, but she really was making it all about herself and her drama, and I don’t care who you think you are in the sport, rules are rules, and two warnings in you shut your pie hole, period.  She in that sense earned it.

It also really was kind of silly when she brought up her kid. We get it, you’re a mom now. Pedal off the gas with the faux outrage about being called a cheater. Talk about melodramatic. 

Felt bad for Osaka.  Biggest moment in her life completely ruined for her.  Serena tried to be nice enough about it, but the damage was done.

Also poor Osaka is SO Japanese, she has the personality of a robot.  She’s like Vicki from Small Wonder.  I feel bad for her.
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Let’s also not forget that her coach is interviewed immediately after and admits he was sending her coaching signals.

 
Also very japanese to apologize for, well, everything, but including winning. “I’m sorry I won and ruined this for you all, I know you were rooting for her.”

 
Otis said:
When she kept referencing the double standard he’s the first one I could think of.  That’s also, what, 30 years ago?  Not really a double standard at all. Between that and the claims about fighting for equality it’s like she was in a time warp back to 1975. 
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Pretty sure mcenroe had points, games, and match penalties given to him due to his behavior. Even in, gasp, a major.

 
http://larrybrownsports.com/tennis/umpire-carlos-ramos-history-code-violations-serena-williams/463180

(excerpts - I left out the examples against male players which are in the link)

Serena Williams may be right: a male player might get away with some things that a female player would not. Regardless of gender, the behavior she displayed during the US Open finals on Saturday merited penalties, and Williams should have known that she was especially likely to incur such penalties when dealing with umpire Carlos Ramos.

Ramos has been at the center of several violations matters the past few years. Many of the calls he made were against high-profile male players, and in most cases, the men complained about the calls. Another matter even involved Serena’s sister, Venus, who was warned over the same coaching signals issue for which Serena was called on Saturday.

A USTA official told Larry Brown Sports that the judges/officiating crew information is released prior to the start of play in the morning. That means both Williams and Naomi Osaka would have known Carlos Ramos would be the chair umpire for the match beforehand. A good amount of preparing for a match includes knowing about one’s opponent. But in order to be fully prepared for a match, players should also know and prepare for the playing conditions, court conditions, fan atmosphere, umpires/judges, and everything that could influence the match.

Not only did Williams fail to shake off the violation calls from Ramos and instead let it rattle her to the point that it cost her a shot at her 24th grand slam singles title, but she also failed to properly prepare for the chair umpire. Had she done so, she would have known that Ramos has a history of readily calling violations, and she therefore should have known to be especially careful to avoid being penalized.

 
I understand Serena being upset, even though sh e has taken it too far...but the sore loser attitude from the fans and media is despicable.  Osaka won and Serena was getting coached....get over it instead crying like a baby in need of a pacifier...

 
Yeah, it's hard to argue that Serena brought most of this upon herself, and as a result, ruined what would have been the best moment in Naomi Osaka's life. Serena needs to own that.  i hope that with some time and distance, she will.

That said, that chair umpire is a ####! You just cannot call a game penalty at that moment. I'm guessing it was in impulsive response in the heat of the moment. And had he thought about it, and recognized that it would give Osaka a 5-3 lead in a potentially deciding set in the Championship Match at the US Open, he might have rethought his decision. Can't do anything about it now. Glad I witnessed something that will likely be remembered for a long time.

 
I watched this whole thing and my two cents are he should not have taken a game from her. She did not curse at him or say anything really offensive. What he should have done is say if you continue I will call another penalty which will be a game penalty. Then if she did you enforce that penalty.  First two penalties were fine in my mind.

Also think none of this had any change to the outcome. She had already lost when the game penalty was enforced since she had lost three straight games and given up her early break in that set and gone down a break. That is not a sign of someone still being in the match. Also appeared to me that Osaka through the game when Serena was serving right after the penalty. 

As for all this double standard talk, I think it is pretty shocking to give a game penalty in the US Open finals and I have seen much worse yelling at the ump and not having a penalty called. I do understand the 3 strikes rule comes into play. 

 
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Redwes25 said:
I watched this whole thing and my two cents are he should not have taken a game from her. She did not curse at him or say anything really offensive. What he should have done is say if you continue I will call another penalty which will be a game penalty. Then if she did you enforce that penalty.  First two penalties were fine in my mind.

Also think none of this had any change to the outcome. She had already lost when the game penalty was enforced since she had lost three straight games and given up her early break in that set and gone down a break. That is not a sign of someone still being in the match. Also appeared to me that Osaka through the game when Serena was serving right after the penalty. 

As for all this double standard talk, I think it is pretty shocking to give a game penalty in the US Open finals and I have seen much worse yelling at the ump and not having a penalty called. I do understand the 3 strikes rule comes into play. 
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I’ve seen players get pissed and take their penalty, Serena just couldn’t let it go though.  She had to smash her racquet and then go back and start berating Ramos again.  Complete lack of awareness and self-control

I also have a problem with how this is being played on some media outlets.  No mention at all about the game penalty being due to her third penalty.  It’s all about saying “thief” and getting a game penalty.  Serena was not the victim in this.  If anybody was a victim it was Osaka.

 
jonessed said:
I’ve seen players get pissed and take their penalty, Serena just couldn’t let it go though.  She had to smash her racquet and then go back and start berating Ramos again.  Complete lack of awareness and self-control

I also have a problem with how this is being played on some media outlets.  No mention at all about the game penalty being due to her third penalty.  It’s all about saying “thief” and getting a game penalty.  Serena was not the victim in this.  If anybody was a victim it was Osaka.
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Coverage has been awful that is for sure. Especially little coverage about how she lost three games in a row and her serve twice. The match was over at that point. 

Even so the game penalty was too much. You don't give such a harsh penalty in the finals of the US Open without making very clear it is coming. The ump should have said you need to stop or else it is coming. Unfortunately it has all turned into about this penalty as a result not that she lost the match already.  

Also think the racquet smash was more caused by her own poor play. She had just played a horrible game and given up her serve. The point penalty was justified at that point though I understand why she is angry and frustrated at that point. The ump was just too quick on trigger for the third penalty. 

 
JuniorGong said:
Let’s also not forget that her coach is interviewed immediately after and admits he was sending her coaching signals.
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This happens in literally every match.  And she was on the far end of the court.  Calling it was hair-trigger.

Having said, both of them could have handled it better, and looked to deescalate it instead of throwing gas on the fire.  She should have known where she stood and he should have realized what was at stake.

But there is no way taking away a service game on serve in a grand slam final makes sense there.

 
Redwes25 said:
I watched this whole thing and my two cents are he should not have taken a game from her. She did not curse at him or say anything really offensive. What he should have done is say if you continue I will call another penalty which will be a game penalty. Then if she did you enforce that penalty.  First two penalties were fine in my mind.

Also think none of this had any change to the outcome. She had already lost when the game penalty was enforced since she had lost three straight games and given up her early break in that set and gone down a break. That is not a sign of someone still being in the match. Also appeared to me that Osaka through the game when Serena was serving right after the penalty. 

As for all this double standard talk, I think it is pretty shocking to give a game penalty in the US Open finals and I have seen much worse yelling at the ump and not having a penalty called. I do understand the 3 strikes rule comes into play. 
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She called him a thief and threatened his job (saying "you will never work a match of mine again" implies she will use her clout to get him demoted/ removed from important matches). 

Considering she wouldn't shut up, I think he showed remarkable restraint before issuing the game penalty. 

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
This happens in literally every match.  And she was on the far end of the court.  Calling it was hair-trigger.

Having said, both of them could have handled it better, and looked to deescalate it instead of throwing gas on the fire.  She should have known where she stood and he should have realized what was at stake.

But there is no way taking away a service game on serve in a grand slam final makes sense there.
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My point in mentioning it is she was all self-righteous about not cheating by receiving coaching when in fact she was receiving coaching. We know this because her coach was honest about it. I will grant you it goes on quite a bit and typically isn’t called but Ramos has a history of calling it on others. Serena is a fraud and this is just the start of her being exposed.

 
Ghost Rider said:
She called him a thief and threatened his job (saying "you will never work a match of mine again" implies she will use her clout to get him demoted/ removed from important matches). 

Considering she wouldn't shut up, I think he showed remarkable restraint before issuing the game penalty. 
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Yep. What is he supposed to do? Just let her keep going? 

It isnt like this is her first time getting penalized for this kind of stuff. She knows the drill. 

She was penalized on match point in 2009 for threatening to shove a ball down the throat of a lineswoman and she was penalized in 2011 for yelling "come on" in the middle of the point and then launched a barrage of insults at the umpire. Surely she learned from that right? Oh wait, she got penalized in 2015 at the australian open for yelling come on in the middle of a point. 

But people are just lapping up the spin she has put on this. Womens rights! Yeah. Right. She is the best womens tennis player on the face of the earth and she cant stand losing and handles it poorly in the moment. 

 
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parasaurolophus said:
Yep. What is he supposed to do? Just let her keep going? 

It isnt like this is her first time getting penalized for this kind of stuff. She knows the drill. 

She was penalized on match point in 2009 and she was penalized in 2011 for yelling "come on" in the middle of the point. Surely she learned from that right? Oh wait, she got penalized in 2015 at the australian open for yelling come on in the middle of a point. 

But people are just lapping up the spin she has put on this. Womens rights! Yeah. Right. She is the best womens tennis player on the face of the earth and she cant stand losing and handles it poorly in the moment. 
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Yep. And she once told an ump she was going to stuff a racket down his throat.  Throwing temper tantrums is not new to Serena Williams, but by playing the "women's rights" card, it guarantees that many will defend merely on that alone.  

 
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Ghost Rider said:
She called him a thief and threatened his job (saying "you will never work a match of mine again" implies she will use her clout to get him demoted/ removed from important matches). 

Considering she wouldn't shut up, I think he showed remarkable restraint before issuing the game penalty. 
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He's an ump. He should be invisible. The fact that he chose to insert himself into this the way he did is ridiculous. The point was fine. The game was way too much.

 
Apple Jack said:
He's an ump. He should be invisible. The fact that he chose to insert himself into this the way he did is ridiculous. The point was fine. The game was way too much.
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He was invisible until she wouldn't stop yelling at him, calling him names and threatening his job. 

 
Officials obviously shouldn't be the focus of the game, but they need to control it and enforce the rules.

Sometimes athletes need to vent during an intense situation. But at some point, you just need to be an adult, realize you're only hurting yourself at this point and shut up. She clearly was just trying to big-time the umpire because she knows she's the face of the game and thought she could get away with it. At some point, the guy needs to put a stop to it (although I do agree that something  like "This is your last warning. Let it go or I'm docking you a game" would have made sense, given the situation)

Bringing in the "women's rights" and "I'm a mother" angles is REALLY sad. Lets save those arguments for something more important than a tennis match (which she was going to lose anyway), huh?

She made herself look a fool (to anyone who doesn't fall for the faux sexism argument) and ruined the moment for an up and coming star that idolizes her. Nice work.

 
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Redwes25 said:
 She did not curse at him or say anything really offensive.
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Not for nothing, but I know someone who worked for a major newspaper who got threatened with a libel suit for calling a public figure a “thief” in print.

 
Gawain said:
Ashleigh Barty about to have her 5th grand slam final loss at the age of 22.
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Wow, great match punctuated by a double fault on championship point to give Barty her first major in 5 opportunities. 

Saved two championship points in the second set and then another in the third set tiebreak. Won on their third Championship point.

 
Mr. Ham said:
She was pretty specific about what she was accusing him of stealing: a point.

One thing I’d ask the Serena detractors to consider...  we mortals haven’t been so generationally good at something that we have to figure out how to balance the smoke blown at is 24/7 with some humility and a sense that there are things more important in the universe than us.  I’d contrast Serena walking down the street and the way the world regards her with you and me.  Of course she thinks the umpire and world care that she’s a mother and her new values, because every other commercial on TV is about that, as are the hundreds of media stories and dozens of interviews she gives.

I have no idea how I’d adjust to such a reality, but I know it wouldn’t be perfectly.  She deserves major criticism here, but she lives in a different plane of existence than we do.  Hard to criticize someone entirely for an occasional flare up of self importance when to roughly 100% of the people you encounter on a given day, you’re the most important person they’ve encountered in weeks, if not years, if not ever.  
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She blatantly lied. Thats not something that you think is ok because people look up to you unless you have a major character flaw. She said he just gave her a thumbs up. Video clearly shows he did no such thing. She knew she was lying which is why she kept demanding an apology and went with the sexism angle. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
She was pretty specific about what she was accusing him of stealing: a point.

One thing I’d ask the Serena detractors to consider...  we mortals haven’t been so generationally good at something that we have to figure out how to balance the smoke blown at is 24/7 with some humility and a sense that there are things more important in the universe than us.  I’d contrast Serena walking down the street and the way the world regards her with you and me.  Of course she thinks the umpire and world care that she’s a mother and her new values, because every other commercial on TV is about that, as are the hundreds of media stories and dozens of interviews she gives.

I have no idea how I’d adjust to such a reality, but I know it wouldn’t be perfectly.  She deserves major criticism here, but she lives in a different plane of existence than we do.  Hard to criticize someone entirely for an occasional flare up of self importance when to roughly 100% of the people you encounter on a given day, you’re the most important person they’ve encountered in weeks, if not years, if not ever.  
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Ah yes.  The ol’ affluenza excuse.

 
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