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Terelle Pryor runs a 4.38 (1 Viewer)

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brett5673

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I didn't see anything started yet. But this guy really doesn't have a bright future as a QB, from what I have heard or seen. A guy that is 240 6'5, and 4.38, that seems like Megatron sort of measurements (preposterous statement?). He obviously would have a long way to go as a WR, but do you think some team will pick him up as a guy to mold into a WR.

 
'mr roboto said:
'RJS113 said:
I think he gets drafted to play QB. I'm guessing he goes to either Philly or Tampa.
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Why the hell would philly (vick, young, kafka) or tampa (josh and josh) need prior at qb?
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Because Young and Josh Johnson probably won't be back next year. I think Pryor is a great fit for each team, and can replace either guy as the #2 next year. He won't go early, but I can see either team bidding a 5th for him (maybe even a 4th from Philly).
 
'coolnerd said:
'brett5673 said:
'mr roboto said:
'LHUCKS said:
If you're that big and that athletic you will have more than a shot in the NFL.
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Yep.At TE.
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I was wondering that, but do you think he has the ability to become that good of a blocker? Just wondering
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I think if he is not tried at QB, he will be a newer Matt Jones. pretty comparable size/speed/QB conversion.
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I was thinking more like Woody Dantzler, who played QB at Clemson and then had a brief run as a running back/kick returner in the NFL.
 
'dharmapunk said:
He could make a living as a Brad Smith type Wildcat/trick play QB/WR player.
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I guess I don't get this. Putting him at just a few plays at WR or QB seems to be a waste. In Minnesota, it is what were kinda doing with Webb. Making him a QB, with some WR plays here or there. Anybody with eyes can see Webb is not a QB, but he has the skills to at least try and become a WR. I think it would be a mistake to try and make him primarily a QB.
 
pryor is qb. likely a bad one, not nfl caliber. but id imagine he is way worse at other positions considering his history and grooming.

 
'mr roboto said:
'LHUCKS said:
If you're that big and that athletic you will have more than a shot in the NFL.
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Yep.At TE.
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I think most people who support him being a TE disregard how difficult it will be for a QB to learn how to use his hands and feet to block and shed blocks. There are TE's his size that have been playing the position for 5 years and simply stink at it or don't have the mentality to be average at it. I have a hard time believing a diva that has played QB his whole life will have the mind set to man up even if he eventually learned to be competant. I think he's a WR or QB. TE would be too much of a stretch.
 
John Gruden did one of his film study sessions with him that they showed some clips of on ESPN. Gruden brought up playing him as a WR and Pryor's mind was completely closed to the idea.

I think if NFL GMs and coaches see that, Pryor may end up costing himself some money as teams spend later picks on him than they might have if they felt playing him at WR was an option with him.

Edit to add: I was really not impressed at all by his demeanor in it. Did not seem to me like a guy who is going to be a student of the game, or who is going to have the respect of a team if there is any adversity.

 
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Pryor is waaaay to inaccurate. Tim Tebow looks like Joe Montana compared to him.

No, he can't block to play TE.

I highly doubt he'll play WR but it's possible, longshot though.

 
'brett5673 said:
'dharmapunk said:
He could make a living as a Brad Smith type Wildcat/trick play QB/WR player.
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I guess I don't get this. Putting him at just a few plays at WR or QB seems to be a waste. In Minnesota, it is what were kinda doing with Webb. Making him a QB, with some WR plays here or there. Anybody with eyes can see Webb is not a QB, but he has the skills to at least try and become a WR. I think it would be a mistake to try and make him primarily a QB.
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Hey I got eyes and Joe Webb looks just as good if not better than half the developmental backups in this league. I've seen every game dude has played and you can't write him off as a athlete who has no qb skills. Sorry to take it off topic just had to defend my boy.
 
Accuracy can be taught...athleticism cannot.

Too early to write him off at QB IMHO.

And this is from a guy that despises Ohio State and the big10 in general.

It's actually quite shocking to see an athlete with those measurables come from the Big10.

 
'LHUCKS said:
Accuracy can be taught...athleticism cannot.Too early to write him off at QB IMHO.
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Disagree with the first statement. I think accuracy can be improved, but QBs that are called 'accurate' regularly, I think have a feel that is innate, that they just have. Agree with the second statement. Too early.Why wouldn't a team throw a 6th round supplemental at him, and see if they can't develop a QB with those measureables? If not, maybe you try him at H-Back. I have to believe he has a better shot to contribute than 90% of all 5th/6th/7th rounders.
 
'LHUCKS said:
Accuracy can be taught...athleticism cannot.Too early to write him off at QB IMHO.And this is from a guy that despises Ohio State and the big10 in general.It's actually quite shocking to see an athlete with those measurables come from the Big10.
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If you look at history, there's been tons of great Qb's that have come from the Big 10, but OSU isn't one of them. I don't blame you for not writing him off, it's actually good to be open minded but in my opinion, QB's like Tim Tebow (who I was on record saying would struggle in the NFL back in his sophomore year at Florida) and Pryor don't improve that much in such a short time to be NFL Qb's. When I say he isn't accurate, I mean he's way off, not just a smidge.You are correct though, he is very athletic and only time will tell but I don't think he's going to make it in the NFL as a starter.
 
'baconisgood said:
Some one tell Al Davis.
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Pryor has talent but he has nothing working inside that head. If he did flash skills in the NFL, I would be afraid he would muck it up off the field...just my opinion. I was impressed with him prior to the NCAA violations.

 
'RJS113 said:
'mr roboto said:
'RJS113 said:
I think he gets drafted to play QB. I'm guessing he goes to either Philly or Tampa.
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Why the hell would philly (vick, young, kafka) or tampa (josh and josh) need prior at qb?
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Because Young and Josh Johnson probably won't be back next year. I think Pryor is a great fit for each team, and can replace either guy as the #2 next year. He won't go early, but I can see either team bidding a 5th for him (maybe even a 4th from Philly).
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Your right there is no way Johnson or Young are back but it wouldn't shock me if Kafka beats young out before this season starts and IMO he is the number two of the future. There is no way Philly take Prior but hey I said the same thing about Vick so who knows
 
Should/WILL he be looked at as a WR - yes. Speed, Size, Hands - all more than good enough that a lot of teams would look at him for that.

TE? Possible. Teams are now playing TE that line up more often as a WR (JFin, anyone?)

QB? Not a chance. This kid is not NFL qb material. Not even a good college QB. Terrible decision making, terrible accuracy. Put him on an average college team and he would make it worse. Plus throw in the facts he is stupid and greedy (as all the facts come out show) and you have to assume he will never put in the time and effort to develop any real qb skills.

You want the next great athletic qb - wait for Denard Robinson from Michigan. He turns a TERRIBLE college team into a competitor. Can you imagine those two qb switched in college? THE OS U would own college football. And Michigan would of gone winless last year.

I don't see him being successful in any pro position.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Pryor has talent but he has nothing working inside that head. If he did flash skills in the NFL, I would be afraid he would muck it up off the field...just my opinion. I was impressed with him prior to the NCAA violations.
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Watching SC this morning, he came off as a complete dufus at his pro day. He didn't even seem to care.
 
I think hes gonna end up as QB/WR utility player, similar to Brad Smith. In fact, hes potentially a better QB than Sanchez, so I could see the Jets being a good landing spot.

 
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'PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
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Not even a good college QB.
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Stopped reading right here.
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2010 Season Great overall statistics, padded by playing terrible teamsPlayed Three Good Teams - Wisconsin, Iowa and Arkansas. The rest, basically Sister Mary of the Poor type teams. Even Penn St. sucked last year

So how did he do passing? Well, he finished well - Arkansas was a good game for him 14 of 25, 220 yards, 2 td passes, zero int. His completion percentage was 56%, and a qb rating of 156. And he won the game. I wouldn't call it a great game passing, but it was a great game for him.

Iowa, which was not top 20 rated when they played, 18 of 33, 195 yards, 1 td passes, 2 int. His completion percentage was 55%, and a qb rating of 102. Won the game, but a bad day passing.

Wisconsin - he blew chow all game. 14 of 28, 150 yards, 0 td passes, 1 int. His completion percentage was 50%, and a qb rating of 89. And he lost the game. Bad day passing, bad decision making, ugly loss.

55% pass completion is not going to cut it as an NFL QB. Especially since the worst team he plays in the nfl will be better than the best team he ever faced in college.

Can he learn better technique - sure. Look at Graham Harrell. Far better qb in college then TP ever was, way better stats, far tougher, real leader. Two 5,000 yard passing seasons. however, did not play in a pro style offense, was all shotgun. Did not know technique. Even with setting all time NCAA records incollege - not drafted. Tried out rookie camp with Cleveland. Not signed. Played in CFL. Cut. Picked up by Pack, currently 3rd string. After the last preseason game I would say he is getting close to learning what it takes to be an NFL qb although he made some rookie mistakes. Not sure he ever will be even marginal NFL qb, but he looks likes he is learning

Do you think that Terrel has that kind of commitment?

 
'smackdaddies said:
'PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
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Not even a good college QB.
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Stopped reading right here.
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2010 Season Great overall statistics, padded by playing terrible teamsPlayed Three Good Teams - Wisconsin, Iowa and Arkansas. The rest, basically Sister Mary of the Poor type teams. Even Penn St. sucked last year

So how did he do passing? Well, he finished well - Arkansas was a good game for him 14 of 25, 220 yards, 2 td passes, zero int. His completion percentage was 56%, and a qb rating of 156. And he won the game. I wouldn't call it a great game passing, but it was a great game for him.

Iowa, which was not top 20 rated when they played, 18 of 33, 195 yards, 1 td passes, 2 int. His completion percentage was 55%, and a qb rating of 102. Won the game, but a bad day passing.

Wisconsin - he blew chow all game. 14 of 28, 150 yards, 0 td passes, 1 int. His completion percentage was 50%, and a qb rating of 89. And he lost the game. Bad day passing, bad decision making, ugly loss.

55% pass completion is not going to cut it as an NFL QB. Especially since the worst team he plays in the nfl will be better than the best team he ever faced in college.

Can he learn better technique - sure. Look at Graham Harrell. Far better qb in college then TP ever was, way better stats, far tougher, real leader. Two 5,000 yard passing seasons. however, did not play in a pro style offense, was all shotgun. Did not know technique. Even with setting all time NCAA records incollege - not drafted. Tried out rookie camp with Cleveland. Not signed. Played in CFL. Cut. Picked up by Pack, currently 3rd string. After the last preseason game I would say he is getting close to learning what it takes to be an NFL qb although he made some rookie mistakes. Not sure he ever will be even marginal NFL qb, but he looks likes he is learning

Do you think that Terrel has that kind of commitment?
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I don't think Pryor has a snowball's chance in hell of being an NFL QB. That doesn't change the fact that he was a very good college QB.
 
'smackdaddies said:
Can he learn better technique - sure. Look at Graham Harrell. Far better qb in college then TP ever was, way better stats, far tougher, real leader. Two 5,000 yard passing seasons. however, did not play in a pro style offense, was all shotgun. Did not know technique. Even with setting all time NCAA records incollege - not drafted. Tried out rookie camp with Cleveland. Not signed. Played in CFL. Cut. Picked up by Pack, currently 3rd string. After the last preseason game I would say he is getting close to learning what it takes to be an NFL qb although he made some rookie mistakes. Not sure he ever will be even marginal NFL qb, but he looks likes he is learning

Do you think that Terrel has that kind of commitment?
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Harrell did very well in Cleveland and Mangini praised him often. Gotta google. It was hard to believe he was cut so fast based upon Mangini's chatter.Regardless, he has done much better with the Pack in practice and impressed them plenty.

Your timeline leaves out his time at Oklahoma State. It's said that the OkSU coaches were teaching him about his own game, to transition to being a coach, and that this changed everything for him bringing him a new understanding.

 
'smackdaddies said:
'Bri said:
'LHUCKS said:
Accuracy can be taught...athleticism cannot.
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he's not 6 years old
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I think Lhucks is right here, with a caveat - technique can be taught - if the student actually wants to learn, applies themselves, and is not a brain dead doofus who cant keep two thoughts in his brain at one time.
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Not to mention that accuracy can be hugely affected by poor footwork. And you expect a raw prospect like Pryor to have poor footwork: a guy who has lived off of his athleticism, and not his technique, is bound to have wild footwork and inconsistent mechanics. Hell, its impressive that his throwing motion is as clean as it is.I mean, look at Locker: taken 8th overall, despite huge issues with his accuracy: mainly, his consistency. And most people will tell you that they've read that its all about his footwork. And guess what? Locker DID have NFL-caliber QB coaching to attempt to correct it. Pryor never has, and has never needed to correct it until now. His accuracy "issues" might not be such a big deal once he tightens up his mechanics and builds his footwork from the ground up as a pro.
 
It is my understanding that the 4.38 time is unofficial. If so, I infer the time is a hand time and not electronically clocked. I ran sprints in hight school and in college. Without a doubt, hand times are patently unreliable and therefore, the purported 4.38 has little meaning to me.

 
'Frank Black said:
It is my understanding that the 4.38 time is unofficial. If so, I infer the time is a hand time and not electronically clocked. I ran sprints in hight school and in college. Without a doubt, hand times are patently unreliable and therefore, the purported 4.38 has little meaning to me.
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Doubt he ran a 4.9, tho, right?Think we can assume he is fast.
 
'massraider said:
'Frank Black said:
It is my understanding that the 4.38 time is unofficial. If so, I infer the time is a hand time and not electronically clocked. I ran sprints in hight school and in college. Without a doubt, hand times are patently unreliable and therefore, the purported 4.38 has little meaning to me.
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Doubt he ran a 4.9, tho, right?Think we can assume he is fast.
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True, but if we were to take as truth that the real time was 4.38 when lots of other fast players run in the mid 4.4s, the comparison in time would be a lot (not taking to account other factors like pads, etc.) Saying that Pryor is fast is one thing. It is another thing if we believe that he is way faster than most of the league.
 
Maturity, as much as talent, on display at Pryor's pro day

HEMPFIELD, Pa. -- It's safe to say that when Terrelle Pryor committed to Ohio State a little over three years ago, he envisioned his entry to the NFL being a little different than this.

His pro day wasn't held at the Woody Hayes Center, where so many other Buckeyes make their passage to the pros, but at a high school tucked a few miles away from his hometown of Jeannette in the rural hills east of Pittsburgh. And his receivers weren't the big-name recruits who came to Ohio State with him, but three former pros trying to make it back into the league and a childhood buddy he asked to help out.

Until a few months ago, everything about Pryor's athletic career could fall under the heading of "Big Time."

So, if this definitively small-time setting wasn't penance for his string of transgressions in Columbus, the juxtaposition of it against all he's been built up to be in his 21 years was at least interesting.

Maybe the best sign? The idea that he's paying a price, it seems, is just fine with the quarterback and his camp.

"Did he make mistakes? Absolutely. Will he repeat those mistakes? He will not. Is he paying the price? Clearly," said his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. "Five games without being able to play is a stiff penalty. We're not challenging it for one reason only, and that's because we accept that. He is going to learn from that. He is going to pay his price, and he's going to be a better man for it and move on."

Maybe he proved that in meeting with the teams privately on Saturday, before and after the workout. Maybe he didn't. On Monday, we'll get a bit of a clearer picture of who's bought in and who hasn't.

What's clear is that he's making an effort to show clubs that he's grown.

One component in showing that, as Rosenhaus mentioned, was accepting the five-game suspension that was worked out as a compromise in a case that was sticky for all involved. The league made concessions -- though Pryor can't participate in practice, multiple sources indicate that he'll be allowed to do field work with coaches, which isn't allowed for most suspended players -- and the quarterback seems comfortable with the penalty, even if it has caused a small uproar with the rank-and-file of the NFL.

"I just think it's a blessing to be able to play," Pryor told me. "Mr. (Roger) Goodell gave me an opportunity and I'm thankful for that. The five-game suspension is a big deal for the draft and all that. But at the end of the day, Mr. Goodell is letting me be in the place I wanted to be as a little kid.

"I thank him for the opportunity and I don't have anything but good things to say about Mr. Goodell. He could've said no. But he brought me in and I'm thankful for that."

Of course, his entry into the supplemental draft hardly guarantees a thing for Pryor, a player who a sizeable number of NFL executives still have doubts about as a starting quarterback.

His athleticism, on the other hand, is hard to miss. Checking in at just under 6-foot-5 and just over 232 pounds, Pryor clocked one 40-yard dash in the 4.3s, and another in the 4.4s, unheard of numbers for a player of that size at that position. He also broad jumped 10-foot-4, and registered a not-as-impressive vertical jump of 31 inches in spartan conditions, simply slapping a cement wall with a chalked hand to mark his standing leap.

He has really never, though, had his raw ability questioned. The refinement of his game as a passer is where the questions have always led. And that's where things were a bit murkier.

He showed zip and an ability to fling the ball 75 or 80 yards, but he was hardly perfect. He completed 27 of his 39 throws to moving targets, with (unofficially) four dropped balls. There wasn't a defense out there, but Pryor was also throwing to players he wasn't accustomed to -- former Lions Kevin Smith and Alrich Arnett, and ex-Bill Andre Anderson -- as well as a childhood buddy he called in.

It wasn't exactly like earlier in the offseason, when he had fellow Rosenhaus clients Sidney Rice and Chad Ochocinco with him, but to his credit, Pryor didn't use the conditions as a crutch.

"I missed some throws that I have to make," he said. "No excuses. I'm just out there to get better. And that just shows, on the ones I missed, that I have to get a lot better, and I'm going to take the opportunity when I get the opportunity to get better. I'm just going to keep getting better. I'm pretty upset, I'm mad about the missed throws, but I just got to keep working. There's so much space to get better. I'm going to take advantage of it."

In all, 17 teams were there to witness it -- the Steelers, Redskins, Saints, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Chargers, Bills, Browns, Lions, Colts, Eagles, Raiders, Dolphins, 49ers, Patriots, Chiefs and Bengals. Most were represented by area scouts, as much due to the wacky timing of this as anything, but all 32 teams will get the tape of the workout from the Steelers.

What will they see? Said one NFC scout in attendance: "His release was way more natural, and you could tell he's been working on his footwork." An AFC scout added that "(Pryor) was pretty accurate and the ball just jumped out of his hand. It was a lot better than what I expected."

Another NFC scout poured some water on the good vibes, saying that "If you're looking for an elite quarterback, I thought (the workout) was just OK. What you see on the film, that's what you're going to get."

In the end, that's a quarterback with the kind of overwhelming athleticism that allowed him to compile 6,177 yards passing, 2,164 yards rushing, a combined 74 touchdowns, a 31-4 record, three Big 10 titles and two BCS bowl wins, despite being pretty unpolished at the position he occupied.

That, of course, has always raised the question of whether or not he'd be a candidate to switch positions down the line or, at the very least, be used in a specialized role early in his career.

And it's a question that Roy Hall -- Pryor's high school position coach and now Jeannette High's head coach -- asked at the start of the summer. "He said, 'Coach, why would you say that?' " Hall explained. "He's willing to do whatever it takes, but he wants to be a quarterback."

Pressed on whether or not Pryor could pull off a position switch, Hall said, "I'm sure he could."

For now, he's a project who is probably tantalizing some coaches.

But again, given the circumstances, Pryor has as much to prove off the field as on it. There to support him on Saturday was the other ostracized figure in the Ohio State controversy, former coach Jim Tressel, whose presence was requested by the quarterback himself, as well as a large contingent from Jeannette.

Tressel politely declined to talk, but most folks there to support Pryor said the quarterback has matured as a person. Pryor said that growth is the biggest thing he's taken from the largely self-inflicted purgatory he's been in over the last two months.

"The biggest thing I think I'm taking with me is doing the right things," Pryor told me. "It's doing the rights, because if something happens it'll come back at you. It's patience and doing the right things and being a professional every day. I look forward to that opportunity to be a professional and working my butt off."

Ultimately, he said his goal on Saturday was to convince teams to say, "I want Terrelle Pryor as a quarterback for the team." The wait to find out which clubs feel that way has been a strange one for Pryor, all the way up to Saturday's 1950s-style pro day.

The good news for the quarterback is that the wait is nearly done. And bumpy as it's been, it seems like the circuitous ride back to the big time has done Pryor some good.
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'massraider said:
'LHUCKS said:
Accuracy can be taught...athleticism cannot.Too early to write him off at QB IMHO.
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Disagree with the first statement. I think accuracy can be improved, but QBs that are called 'accurate' regularly, I think have a feel that is innate, that they just have. Agree with the second statement. Too early.
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:goodposting: I'm with you on both points massraider.Anyone with Pryor's athletic gifts warrants consideration even with the understanding he may have to move from QB to make an impact in the NFL. That said, while like many attributes, accuracy can be worked on, I'm not buying you can simply teach someone to be accurate. Improve somewhat, maybe. Convert a raw athlete into a precise West coast passer, not gonna happen.I do seem to remember someone in the Shark Pool constantly beating Pryor's drum as an elite NFL QB prospect since he came out of HS. Can't remember who, but my recollection is they insisted Pryor was a stud NFL QB prospect throughout his uneven Ohio State years despite facts pointing to the contrary.Our inner contrarian sometimes clouds our logic...
 
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'Frank Black said:
It is my understanding that the 4.38 time is unofficial. If so, I infer the time is a hand time and not electronically clocked. I ran sprints in hight school and in college. Without a doubt, hand times are patently unreliable and therefore, the purported 4.38 has little meaning to me.
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even combine official times are hand timed so all times should have little meaning. nfl 40s are a comlete joke.
 
'cvnpoka said:
'Frank Black said:
It is my understanding that the 4.38 time is unofficial. If so, I infer the time is a hand time and not electronically clocked. I ran sprints in hight school and in college. Without a doubt, hand times are patently unreliable and therefore, the purported 4.38 has little meaning to me.
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even combine official times are hand timed so all times should have little meaning. nfl 40s are a comlete joke.
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That's not true. There are scouts, etc. there with hand timers, yes. But the OFFICIAL time is the one electronically recorded, which is unquestionably, exactly, correct.How do you think the Taylor Mays 40-yard dash fiasco happened last year? His unofficial hand-timed 40 was released first, and it was off.
 
'J Giles Band said:
I do seem to remember someone in the Shark Pool constantly beating Pryor's drum as an elite NFL QB prospect since he came out of HS. Can't remember who, but my recollection is they insisted Pryor was a stud NFL QB prospect throughout his uneven Ohio State years despite facts pointing to the contrary.
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That would be "Kremenull". The same guy that owes FBG members over 10 grand in unpaid league prizes.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=579914&st=200&p=12777792&hl=aquil&fromsearch=1entry12777792http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=580273&view=findpost&p=12786384&hl=aquil&fromsearch=1Doubt we'll be hearing from that loud mouthed jack### anytime soon on Pryor.
 
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when i watched his post workout interview, i thought that he made it pretty clear that he only wanted to play QB. i wont be one bit surprised if after the draft, he changes his mind and challenges the 5 games. from my osu friends, he is all ego, and i just dont think enough bad has happened to him yet for him to have had a total personality change.

 
'King of the Wolfies said:
when i watched his post workout interview, i thought that he made it pretty clear that he only wanted to play QB. i wont be one bit surprised if after the draft, he changes his mind and challenges the 5 games. from my osu friends, he is all ego, and i just dont think enough bad has happened to him yet for him to have had a total personality change.
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Anyone should challenge that ruling. It was based on thin-air and it should be challenged for the good of the league. Goodell is literally making things up as he goes along and handing out suspensions whenever he feels like it. Suspensions are supposed to be based on violations of the NFL conduct policy, and there is nothing about transferring punishments from the NCAA to the NFL.Goodell needs to be called out on this or he will continue using his power in irresponsible and erratic ways.
 
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