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Terrell Owens Projections.... (1 Viewer)
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
If he signs in New York, I have to wonder if Braylon Edwards is long for the team. And this would still be a run first team with Cotchery and Holmes on the roster. Hard for me to see 900/8 in that environment. In Cincinnati I'm more open to the possibility because I think, for all the talk of the depth they have at the WR position, TO and Chad would get a tremendous amount of the targets.
frogpond11
Footballguy
NYJ doesn't make much sense to me with Braylon, Cotch, and Santonio already there. Bengals is the better fit in my opinion, and the better opportunity for T.O. to be more fantasy relevant. I think he could put up some pretty good stats in Cincy, help Ocho's stats, help Palmer's stats, and help the team in general.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Palmer was perfectly happy to split the (vast) majority of targets between Ocho and Housh, I don't see why Matt Jones/Bryant would interfere with that if TO looked good to him.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I agree...and said as much. I'm talking about if he goes to the Jets, pure chaos would ensue.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Only 2 receivers in history have been 37 years old when the season ended and had over 900 yards receiving:Jerry Rice x 2Charlie JoinerYes, history would suggest that this is a nutty prediction.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Sorry to be unclear- I was agreeing with you on the Bengals side of it- just wanted to mention the receiving splits during the healthy Palmer years.
Catbird
Footballguy
At TO's age, I think Bryant (when/if) healthy is the far superior player. I don't think the Cowboys, and a year later the Bills, both passed on Owens thinking he has a lot left. With well-regarded rookie Shipley needing to play, Caldwell supposedly showing the most improvement and having 'the best offseason of anyone on the offense' and Matt Jones around with half again TOs' current speed to fill the Chris Henry bomber role. I don't see a big role for Terrell unless Bryant is completely down and out. And even then in a Benson-driven offense and with Ocho the clear leader ... 500-600 yards would be pretty amazing to me. That's why they are offering him a nickle and a handful of incentives - and why he is looking everywhere else for a better opportunity.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Terell Owens is in good enough shape and is still a good enough receiver to post 900, easily. It all depends on where he ends up. The stats of old in terms of age doesn't mean as much. Today's players are in better shape than ever before and many take care of their bodies much better than they do 30 years ago or more. We have 40 year old QB's throwing for 4k yards.Terell Owens is in elite shape and given the right situation he'll post 900 yards.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I disagree. When he left the Cowboys he had plenty left, that's not why they got rid of him. The Bills offense/passing game was one of the worst in the league. See Randy Moss in Oakland on what a poor offense can do to any WR.TO has more in the tank than many give him credit for.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He may be a gym rat and built like Atlas, but if you watch him play, it's clear he no longer gets the separation that once made him an elite receiver. Upside is 900 yards, and sure he possibly could get there with the right situation. I just don't see it happening.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
We both misread each other.
Bryant has been a Top 20 fantasy WR ONCE in 8 seasons. And if you want to compare their most recent performances, I'm not sure it makes your case for you:2008-2009
Catch Rate -- Bryant (54.7%) vs. Owens (49.8%)
Yards per Catch -- Bryant (15.1) vs. Owens (15.2)
TD rate -- Bryant (4.9%) vs. Owens (6.0%)
Games Played -- Bryant 29 vs. Owens 32
They're roughly equivalent players over their last two years and that is stacking the deck when you consider that Bryant's 2008 season was his only elite season and is not representative of what he's done the rest of his career.
And I know you said "When he's healthy" but I don't think you can ignore injury risk and history when comparing NFL players. Owens has known his fair share of bumps and bruises but has a long history of playing hurt and/or recovering quickly. Meanwhile Bryant's career has been characterized by an inability to play at 100%. Most great players are able to look like they're at the top of their games even when they're not physically up to snuff, Bryant has NEVER shown that ability IMHO.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
As a Jets fan my greatest worry is that one of these guys (Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, and most likely Cotchery) walk away with the majority of the looks and all hell breaks loose when the other two (or three if you throw TO in there) get squat. A couple of years back, Coles and Cotchery got almost identical stats (literally off by a couple TDs, catches, and yards), but that is not likely to happen again. I could see Cotchery with 850 yards and 2 TDs, Edwards with 650 yards and 6 TDs and Holmes with 700 yards and 5 TDs...just a fantasy disaster and bad feelings all around to boot. Numbers seem low as I am accounting for Keller and LT.
Catbird
Footballguy
I think TO is in clear decline (most evidently the inability to get seperation above mentioned) and Bryant isn't - except as his knee holds him back. As I said, absent injury I think Bryant is worth a LOT more going forward. They are on way different paths. People seem to think that TO is going to somehow get younger and return to a faster speed by working out a lot - he already worked out like a demon. he is going to be even slower this year than last, and was slower last than with the Cowbotys. And he had 1,052 two full years ago as the Cowboys' #1 with Romo? I would put a LOT of stuff on TO not getting 900 yards in a Bengal uniform.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
OK, but you said Bryant as a "far superior" player to TO in your last post, and that's a hard argument to make. Now if you want to argue that Bryant, by virtue of only being 29, can maintain his productivity while TO will further decline, that's a bit easier to digest. Either way, TO has been as good as Bryant over the last two years, and that includes Bryant's one and only strong fantasy season. The credit Bryant gets mystifies me.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
TO is on a decline, he's certainly not on the upswing but his current ability level is still better than Bryant's. I'd be willing to put a lot of "stuff" on TO outperforming Bryant if he lands in Cinci, without a doubt.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
im confused.... Owens got 800 yards last year in the 2nd worst passing offense in the league correct? he had no line, no rbs and no qb around him last year and he pulled that off...i not only think he could get 900, but maybe even 1000 if chad misses a few games...also if he signs, Palmer throws for 30 tds next year put it on the board.
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rizzler
Footballguy
BRING THA NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahaha, wow. this is gonna be fun(ny)
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hahaha, wow. this is gonna be fun(ny)
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Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
Can there ever even BE enough popcorn for this show?
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Carson Palmer's ADP is going to jump now.
purestrength
Footballguy
If I were a Bengals fan, I would have preferred a healthy Bryant opposite Ochocinco. But Bryant's knee must be bad.
rizzler
Footballguy
Palmer up..... Ocho Cinco down?
Avery
Footballguy
Purely theoretical I know, but I like Palmer more with a healthy Bryant over TO.Having said that, the spotlight that is the TO show probably bumps Palmer's ADP.
Avery
Footballguy
Yup. He sure can. I also think that Bryant, with a healthy knee, would have made the offensive more dynamic as he is a more complete package at WR than Owens at this point is his career. All a moot point, however, for Bryant's knee doesn't appear to be healthy.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
BENSON IS GOING TO BE A BEAST THIS YEAR WITH THE 7 MAN FRONTS!
Avery
Footballguy
It's a solid signing, but I'm not sure I see wholesale changes in how defenses play the Bengals with or without Owens.
LaMarr Woody -Settlers OLB.
http://mobile.twitter.com/lamarrwoodley
"LaMarrWoodley
With @terrellowens and @ogochocinco on the same team its gonna be fun playin vs the 2 biggest loudmouths 2x/yr.. Lol"
"LaMarrWoodley
Oh and the only good thing @terrellowens and @ogochocinco got goin on is a tv show tryna find love cause they cant find a superbowl ring lol"
......Kinda funny, but also kinda a pathetic attempt to get back at Chad Ochocinco's quote..."Man, I haven’t seen this many girls on a football field since the last time we played the Steelers."
http://mobile.twitter.com/lamarrwoodley
"LaMarrWoodley
With @terrellowens and @ogochocinco on the same team its gonna be fun playin vs the 2 biggest loudmouths 2x/yr.. Lol"
"LaMarrWoodley
Oh and the only good thing @terrellowens and @ogochocinco got goin on is a tv show tryna find love cause they cant find a superbowl ring lol"
......Kinda funny, but also kinda a pathetic attempt to get back at Chad Ochocinco's quote..."Man, I haven’t seen this many girls on a football field since the last time we played the Steelers."
fsufan
Footballguy
first thing i thought of when I heard this news. Lewis loves to run the ball
rizzler
Footballguy
I'll go 1050yds and 7tds.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
True. If we "assume" that Bryant is also out there and Gresham is pretty good then I think that would really open things up for Benson, a lot would have to happen obviously.It's a solid signing, but I'm not sure I see wholesale changes in how defenses play the Bengals with or without Owens.
70 balls 1000 yards 7 TD'sNice WR2 numbers.Great move by the Bengals.
Avery
Footballguy
Some unbridled optimism here.That would put him at WR18 in my PPR league last year. Wowsers.Look at what he had to work with last year...then look at 2008. That will be more like the TO we will see. The guy is still a beast. Amazing he did not get many offers despite his rep. a future HOF.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
Absolutly love the signing....must see TV.
I'd agree with that logic.but It is still gonna be a gong show in Cincy. I think TO and Ocho will be one upping each other in the showboating department.I'm guessing they may set a record for excessive celebration penalties by year end.
fantasizing
Footballguy
Last year on a pathetic (and I mean pathetic Buffalo offense):
55 receptions
829 yards
15.1 average
5 TDs
Now, he has a QB who can throw hard and deep.
Either he or Ochocinco will see single coverage. One of them has to. Pick your poison.
Improving offensive line.
An absolute beast of a RB who can push multiple piles...
And a bunch of other WR's just for good measure.
Either TO or Ochocinco will have 1200+ yards and 10+ TD's. One of them will. Not sure which one, but one of them...
55 receptions
829 yards
15.1 average
5 TDs
Now, he has a QB who can throw hard and deep.
Either he or Ochocinco will see single coverage. One of them has to. Pick your poison.
Improving offensive line.
An absolute beast of a RB who can push multiple piles...
And a bunch of other WR's just for good measure.
Either TO or Ochocinco will have 1200+ yards and 10+ TD's. One of them will. Not sure which one, but one of them...
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lakermadness07
Footballguy
will benson be suspended?
As long as they win, it won't matter. The bigger problem is if goodell takes exception to it all and starts suspending. One year deal, Owens knows this is a trial run and it might be his last real chance.
VaTerp
Footballguy
From a FF perspective I don't know if TO could have landed in a better spot out all things considered.
Count me in the camp that thinks he still has something left. In an absolutely dreadful situation last year he still averaged an impressive 15.1 ypc and he scored double digit TDs 3 of the last 4 seasons.
Yes, he has lost some things since his prime but I think he still has one more year as a productive WR2 in the NFL and a WR3 with some upside in FF. Also think this is a boost for Palmer, Benson, and Ocho.
As football fan, I am looking forward to watching the Bengals this year. Now if Favre would just go ahead and make it official I could really lock in my rankings headed into camps.
Count me in the camp that thinks he still has something left. In an absolutely dreadful situation last year he still averaged an impressive 15.1 ypc and he scored double digit TDs 3 of the last 4 seasons.
Yes, he has lost some things since his prime but I think he still has one more year as a productive WR2 in the NFL and a WR3 with some upside in FF. Also think this is a boost for Palmer, Benson, and Ocho.
As football fan, I am looking forward to watching the Bengals this year. Now if Favre would just go ahead and make it official I could really lock in my rankings headed into camps.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That's one small step for TO, one giant leap for Cincinnati
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
[*]TO historically behaves himself in the first season with his new team.
[*]when he complains about lack of touches, its only if they are losing
[*]he's lining up with his pal Ocho, not some random dude
[*]he knows this is his swan song
I don't expect him to be a distraction. Sure, it will be a circus, but not in a negative way.
[*]when he complains about lack of touches, its only if they are losing
[*]he's lining up with his pal Ocho, not some random dude
[*]he knows this is his swan song
I don't expect him to be a distraction. Sure, it will be a circus, but not in a negative way.
baconisgood
Footballguy
I would say at this point in his career that Rice is probably the best comp for TO.
