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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
We got a ballllll game
GregR
Footballguy
He was shaken up earlier. I don't recall now if he's been back in since.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
hurt ribs
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Ribs
Why do the announcers continually suggest that DT doesn't know where he is on the field? Yeah, he stepped out, but he was running full-speed. If he had got the foot down in bounds, they would have been talking about his amazing body control.
This is the 3rd week in a row where the announcers did this. This time it was somewhat justified, but it seems like really lazy analysis. Is it a carry-over from the preseason "Manning likes Decker better" hype train?
This is the 3rd week in a row where the announcers did this. This time it was somewhat justified, but it seems like really lazy analysis. Is it a carry-over from the preseason "Manning likes Decker better" hype train?
gerome
Footballguy
Thanks for the info.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The ribs are nothing compared to telling his mom about it.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think he would have gotten it down if he hadn't been pushed early. The shove came while the ball was still in the air V before he had a chance to adjust his feet.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I was yelling at the TV after both of those runs. Wasted plays. But the defense needs to come up with stops late in situations like this.
lod01
Footballguy
And seriously underused.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Punter should run back and take a safety. Waste more time.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I love how teams do that hook and ladder on those end of game plays where the entire defense is still 20 yards up field.
"Oh man I'm 20 yards away with plenty of time to adjust and that guy caught the pitch slowly moving in a slightly different direction, how will I ever react to it??!?"
"Oh man I'm 20 yards away with plenty of time to adjust and that guy caught the pitch slowly moving in a slightly different direction, how will I ever react to it??!?"
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Has that play worked since 1982?
Buffaloes
Footballguy
New Orleans did it and lost on a missed extra point immediately following the td a few years ago
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Good. Horrible cheap shot. If the Texans had done that to Manning on back to back plays I think we'd have heard a lot more about it.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
bs. it's a play that happens at full speed. it's a penalty, but he hit him as the ball was released. fine worthy? yes. Suspension worthy? no.Was Ryan Mundy suspended for KOing 2 players this week?
He intentionally went high in Shaub, making no play on tackling him or breaking up the pass. It's dirty and he deserves any penalty he gets. To argue whether or not Mundy's hit was worse is irrelevant. Mays' hit wasn't going for anything but ringing Shaub's bell.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
I still think this is bs. The GIF is below and it shows him hitting Schaub just as the ball was coming out of Schaub's hand.
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Schaub1.gif
ETA: I did expect him to be fined, but the suspension is
to me. There are more egregious hits than that every week, imo. Hence the question about Mundy. Mays went high which is a no no, but he was finishing a play and hit the Schaub as Schaub was throwing the ball. It's just another example of the league's arbitrary enforcement of its rules. And if the league really cared about player safety, they would probably allow teams to have a concussion expert on the sideline and would get the real officials back on the field.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Actually it shows him spearing Schaub in the helmet just as he releases the ball. $50k + a game check should help sort that out the next time.
I have no idea how teams resist the urge to police the game themselves knowing that a one game suspension hardly makes up for a lost season when your QB goes down to a dirty hit.
I have no idea how teams resist the urge to police the game themselves knowing that a one game suspension hardly makes up for a lost season when your QB goes down to a dirty hit.
Oh, the same gif that shows him running with his head down and his hands out, head-first into Shaub? He's not suspended for hitting a QB late, he's suspended for a hit that was completely unnecessarily dangerous. Was he trying to break up the pass? With the crown of his helmet? And his eyes on the ground? Who teaches that form in football? Nobody. It's laughable. What part of that hit do you think isn't worthy of a hefty fine/suspension? You don't like the call, you think it's bs, but if you looked at it without bias for a couple seconds, I think it's pretty obvious the hit wasn't even borderline. It was just plain bad.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
going high on the hit. I never argued against he penalty or the fine. In fact, I expected both.
I don't understand. You're essentially playing Devil's Advocate. Not saying why this hit wasn't worthy of a suspension, but comparing it to other hits' punishment. Yet this hit was egregious across the board. Even you think it was worthy of a fine. So what's be about the suspension? Because DHB was carted off, that makes this hit somehow less bad? It was some of the worst form hitting in years. It's exactly the type of hit the NFL wants to take out of the game. To argue that it's worthy of a penalty and big fine but not a suspension seems like splitting hairs. If Mays had made ANY play on Shaub or the throw, instead of going for the highlight reel hit with his helmet, he wouldn't be in the situation.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
No, I don't see how this hit is different from Mundy's hit. That's my point. It's not the result of the hit that I'm looking at (ie, player being carted off as opposed to player losing an earlobe). Both players went high. Both were illegal hits. Neither player has a big history or rep for being a cheap player. I chose Mundy because it happened the same weekend and it was the same type of hit. I don't think I indicated anywhere that Mundy's hit was "worse." Players are fined every week for roughing/illegal hits. James Harrison was suspended for a helmet-to-helmet on Colt McCoy last year, but I assumed it was the culmination of a number of disciplinary issues as opposed to a reaction to the one hit he laid on McCoy. So that's why the suspension is a surprise. There is definitely a difference between being fined and missing a game which is why most players are fined as opposed to suspended for their hits.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
Just reread this and I used the wrong word here. I don't think Mundy's hit was worse. I think they were same type scenario so I should have said something other than 'more egregious.'
So does he get some benefit of the doubt because Shaub didn't get injured as much as he could have? If your argument for the hit, Mays' stand-alone hit, has to do with DHB getting carted off or Shaub not getting carted off, then what leg does this position really have to stand on? Mays' hit was blatantly dirty, you agree it was blatantly dirty. So what's the argument for a more lenient punishment for Mays and his hit? An inconsistent standard? That's it? I don't think the Broncos are going to miss him much, and this will get his attention to think twice before trying another dirty hit like this one blatantly was. I don't see any problem with it.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
as to the 1st question see the bolded above. Also, please link to me saying Mays' hit was blatantly dirty. I said it was an illegal hit which in no way is the same as a blatantly dirty hit. It happened at full speed just as Schaub threw the ball.
What inconsistent standard are you talking about? I am saying there were 2 hits that were identical in nature. One player is suspended the other is not. There is the inconsistency.
I will agree with you on one thing, though. Of all the players Denver could lose for a game I think Mays might be one of the more replaceable.
So you think it's just happenstance that Mays runs head-first into Shaub with his hands out to the side? That it was a bang-bang play, and Mays didn't have a chance to react and get his hands up or out like pretty much every other player in that situation does? That's bs, sir.When the ball came out is irrelevant. If he even still had the ball, and Mays sacked him by way of full-speed headbutt, he still deserves a suspension.
Then you ask what inconsistent standard, then explain it in the next sentence.
This argument is starting to make my head hurt...
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Happenstance? Sure. He's running full speed at a QB getting ready to release the ball. One of the biggest issues Bronco fans have with Mays is he's not much of a form tackler. I don't think he hit Schaub with the intent of hurting him or playing dirty. His head hits a few inches lower and his facemask is in Schaub's chest. No problemo with the hit if that happens.Yes, my big issue is the NFL's inconsistency in doling out punishment for illegal hits.I hope your head feels better
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Here's another gif of it.http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/schaub-hit-9-23-12.gif
What part of that is happenstance? It's pretty obvious what he's going for, and what he succeeds in doing. If he hits him a few inches higher, that's probably a concussion. If he got injured, he wouldn't have made a hit at all. What if's are useless. What did happen is what got him suspended. It was a reckless approach and hit. I don't understand how his hit is taken as happenstance. What, did Shaub throwing the ball catch him off-guard from his attempt to....go high and helmet-first? That was the only contact. There's no other result but what happened. If the ball goes out earlier, it's a worse hit. If it doesn't go out at all, it's still a suspendable hit. What about the pass is relevant here?
My head still hurts. It seems like you're pretty adamant about the suspension being bs, but none is about the hit NOT being worthy of suspension, other than being in denial about what did/didn't happen. Arguing the consistency of Goodell doesn't really make this hit any less worthy of suspension. It's consensus on the net that it was a bad hit by the letter, and the league agrees. In other arguments about hits, there's some grey area. Where a player ducks his head or a shoulder hit before the helmet. This one isn't. Anyone who just started following football knows the hit above is dirty.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
Dude, based on what? All we have to go off is precedent. And to this point there has never been a helmet-to-helmet sack that has led to a suspension. There have, however, been numerous helmet-to-helmet hits on QBs and non QBs that have gone unsuspended. That's the crux of my pissing and moaning. If this is deemed a suspendable play by the league, fine. Then be consistent in doling out the suspensions. There is no denial on my part in what happened, guy. Mays came in fast and hit Schaub high. No, I don't think that's a suspendable offense because it happens every week and I don't see anything 'blatantly dirty' about it. It wasn't a late hit. He didn't launch at Schaub. He ran through him and hit him high as the ball was released--something that has happened many times times over without suspension. I don't understand what you aren't understanding in my argument.
Again, you think he git suspended because the hit was late?His only contact with Shaub is by his helmet, and not with the screws above the facemask, as you're taught to at the most basic levels of football. He didn't try and wrap up, he didn't try and break up the pass. He went for the highlight hit on Shaub, and he did it in a completely reckless manner. Everyone sees this, except you, who eseem to want to be difficult about it for God knows what reason?
Did I get it all?
Show me a hit in a QB worse than this, since it happens all the time, apparently....
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
That was one of the qualifiers, but not the sole reason for it not being 'blatantly dirty.'
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social/NFL/DRCHit.gif
Yes, you and wdcrob see it and I don't...
And, you know, the league. And the people who posted during the game. And anyone on other sites. And you had to go pre-season on it? Worst regular season hit on a QB I've seen sincee the McCoy one. Notbeing late is probably the only thing not wrong with it. What's the relevance? Only late hits can be dirty?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am fine with the suspension, but how in the world does Mundy not get suspended as well? His freaking cheap hit put DHB in the hospital, FFS. Unbelievable how arbitrary the NFL is when it comes to fines and suspensions.
GregR
Footballguy
I'd say Mundy should probably get a similar suspension and fine. If he gets a little less, it may be two factors. If he doesn't have the same recent fine history (don't know what his history is there). And he might get slightly less for his having been a moving target where he has a little less control where his hit lands, while Mays was hitting a stationary target that Mays has no excuse at all for where the hit landed.Not that the latter will get Mundy out of a punishment. Players are responsible for playing under enough control that they don't hit a defenseless player in the head, even if he's moving. But it might contribute if he gets less.And I think DRC in the preseason should have gotten a penalty more like Mundy did, for the record.Mays is appealing.
