unckeyherb
Footballguy
Historically I think this is a fair take, but tbh, that has not been his MO for most of this season. He's actually been pretty on point with his in-game decisions for months now.
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30-24
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Okay my fellow betting individuals, I need a ruling on if this was a shady thing that BetOnline pulled on me.
During the Commanders/Lions game BetOnline's live betting made a mistake on a line and accidentally offered Washington "next team to score" at +1400 when Washington had the ball, 1st and goal inside the 10.
I took the bet for a tiny amount (mostly because I thought I might be misreading something).
In the end it was clearly a mistake on the line, which typically when that happens they remove the line and then immediately refund the bet as a no contest.
However in this case, by the time they noticed, it was 4th and goal and Washington had clearly shown intent to go for it before a stoppage in play. So now there was a good chance Washington would not score. They did remove the line, but they did NOT refund the bet as a no contest. They had plenty of time to do it during the play stoppage, but did not.
AFTER Washington converted the 4th down and scored, they then refunded the bet as a no contest/mistake.
Now I only put 30 bucks on this so it's a negligible amount of money, and I totally get I was already shady on my side by taking the bet at +1400 when it was clearly a mistake, but it seems like they decided that by the time they noticed the mistake there was a pretty good chance the +1400 bet may actually lose, so they waited to refund the bets until they saw what the result of the 4th down play was. Then only after seeing Washington convert that did they say "oh whoops it was a mistake, we're ruling this a no contest".
Seems like they were trying to have their cake and eat it to, and they were waiting to see the final result before they decided if they wanted to grade it as a loss or rule it as a no contest. Which seems extremely crappy on their part.
Thoughts?
During the Commanders/Lions game BetOnline's live betting made a mistake on a line and accidentally offered Washington "next team to score" at +1400 when Washington had the ball, 1st and goal inside the 10.
I took the bet for a tiny amount (mostly because I thought I might be misreading something).
In the end it was clearly a mistake on the line, which typically when that happens they remove the line and then immediately refund the bet as a no contest.
However in this case, by the time they noticed, it was 4th and goal and Washington had clearly shown intent to go for it before a stoppage in play. So now there was a good chance Washington would not score. They did remove the line, but they did NOT refund the bet as a no contest. They had plenty of time to do it during the play stoppage, but did not.
AFTER Washington converted the 4th down and scored, they then refunded the bet as a no contest/mistake.
Now I only put 30 bucks on this so it's a negligible amount of money, and I totally get I was already shady on my side by taking the bet at +1400 when it was clearly a mistake, but it seems like they decided that by the time they noticed the mistake there was a pretty good chance the +1400 bet may actually lose, so they waited to refund the bets until they saw what the result of the 4th down play was. Then only after seeing Washington convert that did they say "oh whoops it was a mistake, we're ruling this a no contest".
Seems like they were trying to have their cake and eat it to, and they were waiting to see the final result before they decided if they wanted to grade it as a loss or rule it as a no contest. Which seems extremely crappy on their part.
Thoughts?
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I would bet that this is the case. And if Washington hadn’t scored, they would’ve kept your $$
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
There's definitely no way to fight it as it's an off-shore book, nor am I inclined to (it was a small amount of money anyway). But I do have a significant account size on there so if it seems likely they pull stuff like this, I would consider moving it elsewhere. Not that I expect any offshore book to be the most upstanding company in the world but seeing it actually happen makes me want to consider trying a different one out. I mostly just wanted a sanity check to see if my theory was reasonable.
Putting myself in your situation
I would be pulling my funds and looking elsewhere
Perception is reality
And the perception seems to be on the shady side imop
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Follow the sharp money. If they're betting Eagles ML, bet it.
I like the under. I'm thinking a score of 31-17 Eagles. Maybe 28-17. In that range.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
My money is on yellow (lemon lime)
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
First TD is a fun bet, win or lose you can check out of the game if things get out of hand one way or the other. Reid usually comes up with a decent early script so I'll take Kelce and Hunt at +1000 each. I'd have a Philly guy also but Barkley and Hurts are paying only half that, so I'll go for the payoff here.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I have a couple out there but not huge amounts of money
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Heads and KC winning the toss, Philly +1.5, Over 48.5 and Def/ST TDs by both teams, separately. Didn’t really wanna bet but needed a rooting interest to hang on for most of the game.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
KC Moneyline
O.K.fellow wagerers
Here's the week one lines and over/unders from BetUs as of yesterday
What do you like?
Dallas +7 @ Phi 46
K.C. -3 @ LA Chargers (Sao Paulo) 45
Steelers -3 @ NY Jets 38
Miami +1 @ Indy 47
Panthers +3 @ Jags 46
NY Giants +6 @ Washington 45 1/2
Bengals -6 @ Browns 46 1/2
Raiders +3 @ New England 42 1/2
Cardinals -6 1/2 @ Saints 42 1/2
Bucs -2 @ Falcons 48
Titans +7 1/2 @ Broncos 41 1/2
Niners -2 @ Seattle 45
Lions +1 @ Packers 49 1/2
Houston + 2 1/2 @ LA Rams 44 1/2
Ravens pk @ Bills 52
Vikings -1 1/2 @Bears 43
I'm leaning on an NFC East parlay
Eagles -7 over The Boyz and Giants +6 over Washington
Here's the week one lines and over/unders from BetUs as of yesterday
What do you like?
Dallas +7 @ Phi 46
K.C. -3 @ LA Chargers (Sao Paulo) 45
Steelers -3 @ NY Jets 38
Miami +1 @ Indy 47
Panthers +3 @ Jags 46
NY Giants +6 @ Washington 45 1/2
Bengals -6 @ Browns 46 1/2
Raiders +3 @ New England 42 1/2
Cardinals -6 1/2 @ Saints 42 1/2
Bucs -2 @ Falcons 48
Titans +7 1/2 @ Broncos 41 1/2
Niners -2 @ Seattle 45
Lions +1 @ Packers 49 1/2
Houston + 2 1/2 @ LA Rams 44 1/2
Ravens pk @ Bills 52
Vikings -1 1/2 @Bears 43
I'm leaning on an NFC East parlay
Eagles -7 over The Boyz and Giants +6 over Washington
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think the Saints might lose every game this season. I'd be all over the Cards -6.5. I'm also intrigued by the 49ers -2 at Seattle.
If Parsons signs, that Eagles line will probably dip below 7, then I might play it. Also, Cincinnati's defense couldn't stop a good D1 college offense, so I might take the over on all their games this season (I'm only half serious here).
I might make it a three teamer and throw in Carolina +3 at Jaxson Da Ville
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
definitely add more legs to your parlays
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
player props
Suggestions?
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Viking/Bears under 43 seems like a lock. That would be my 5-star NFC North lock of the 1/4 century
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Generally speaking, betting against first time starters/rookies at QB is a good first week strategy. Might have to wait to confirm whether they actually start.
So laying 7 1/2 with Denver at home against The Titans and Cam Ward looks good
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Not a big fan of giving up over a TD but Denver does have a pretty good defense.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Detroit +1 at Lambeau. They’ve won 3 of the past 4, including the last two at Lambeau. Jordan Love has been dinged up already and had finger surgery. This team will start out slow.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
it doesn't really matter what they are, just add a bunch of legs to make the numbers go up real high
What was it previously?
VaTerp
Footballguy
It was -7 earlier today. I think you could have got a 6.5 a couple of weeks ago.
