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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He'd be the #1 receiver.
schooner44
Footballguy
What a huge boost for AJ's numbers Bruce would be.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hmmm...now that sounds like an idea that makes some sense. 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4433372
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Good call dawg, but you listed 1/3 of the league.Hmmm...now that sounds like an idea that makes some sense.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Shhhh, you're not supposed to notice that partGood call dawg, but you listed 1/3 of the league.Hmmm...now that sounds like an idea that makes some sense.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
good point, david...sometimes if a team can even improve one key variable, if it is the right kind, it can have a big impact & ripple through to make others on the team better...
the texans could have three fairly sizeable events that could send shockwaves through their landscape next season, that you cited (plus some others)...
1 - bush... arguably greatest college RB ever & best pro prospect since barry sanders...
2 - bruce... runs some of best intermediate routes & gets open in traffic better than about 95% of the league's WRs...
3 - kubiak... scheme could be better at putting playmakers in position to make more plays...
also,
4 - with the salary cap boost, they might have extra money to shore up interior OL & RT (pitts is a solid young LT, & i think they just reupped with center)... i'm guessing they will be viewed as an up 'n coming tem by vet FAs... plus there is draft after round 1... in round 2, it is very possible they could get OG like jean-gilles or second tier RT... probably not mcneil but maybe kid from texas...
5 - mathis is one of fastest players in NFL (along with bennett... he was gaining ground on deangelo hall in the short spring at pro bowl) & could be a dangerous WR3 in the slot...
* bruce is a professional & the veteran influence on a young, inexperienced team about how to work & prepare to be a pro could be incalculable... the rams will regret losing him if he gets away... another idiotic move by zygmunt & shaw (among a litany of them) in recent seasons in failing to re-sign core players...
if bruce teaches a physical specimen with a good work ethic like andre johnson a thing or two about route running... setting up DBs, changing speeds, identifying soft spots in zone & other WR-skills arcana... 'dre could soon be scaring the bejeezus out of opposing DCs & terrorizing secondaries for most of the next decade... get used to it, opposing afc south fans...
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Hmmm...now that sounds like an idea that makes some sense.
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you named ten teams, though.Double or nothing: Eagles sign Bentley, or mawae, or neither?diesel7982
Footballguy
Having the speed to get downfield doesnt matter when you cant catch or find the ball in the air.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
How is that remotely a good call? He even said that was the team he was most reluctant to include. Sweet Jesus, does everybody around here have to link to obscure threads where they briefly mentioned one name? Tell you what-I'm going to start twenty or so threads tossing out general predictions-If one comes vaguely true I'm going to bump it to show how clever I was.Good call dawg, but you listed 1/3 of the league.Hmmm...now that sounds like an idea that makes some sense.
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Kai's Hero
Footballguy
#1
?? Not with Andre there. :( 
coolnerd
Footballguy
To be fair, he had hamstring trouble for much of the year. The previous administration wanted to get his raw speed on the field so Mathis practiced very little at WR for much of the season. This paid off in terms of kick-off returns, but he was taken out the role of PR and his development as a WR was put on hold. That said, when he was in @ WR (small sample), Mathis did not look natural catching the ball nor ran good routes.
The Texans will be much better on offense thanks primarily to the hiring of Kubiak, IMO
Plus Bush and Bruce won't hurt.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
AJ has a very long way to go before his production comes anywhere near equaling his fantasy hype. I think the Texans will be much improved (how can they not be?) but right now I still think Andre will be drafted too early in most leagues.
SoloMatisse
Footballguy
Bruce is trying to win...he'll never go to Houston. Retiring with dignity and not getting killed by taking awful passes from an awful QB are Im sure NOT what he has in mind. If you draft him, you'll be drafting him as a St Louis Ram.
GregR_2
Footballguy
As a season ticket holder who can watch what's going on downfield as well as watching the QB and line like the TV shows you, I'd say the Texan's passing game woes were a glorious combination of just about everything that could go wrong. Sort of a Perfect Storm of Sacking if you will. Amongst the problems were:* The line sucks at pass blocking.
* Carr is fast, but not elusive, and sometimes displayed a deer-in-headlights mentality and bailed when he could have bought more time.
* Carr needs to make faster decisions.
* The receivers other than AJ weren't getting open consistently, and AJ was getting double-covered.
* Palmer was calling routes that often had no realistic chance given how short a time the O-line was lasting... the routes were deep enough that Carr often had pressure already when the WR was making their cut. Last year they did a lot of short slants and WR screens to AJ to alleviate this, but teams learned to sit on them and Palmer didn't adjust. Pendry came in and he at least started throwing short outs and curls that Carr had time to get the ball off, but then he never built on that.
* When the Texans line was getting beat, Palmer seemed to not make adjustments to the protection. Though I don't remember Freeney doing as much this year, last year he was just schooling them play after play, yet the Texans weren't chipping him with a RB or TE or the other things you would expect. I think Pendry improved things there too, but obviously still short of NFL standards.
* The coaching staff lost the team the last game of 2004 and never got them back in 2005.
Signing Bruce will help with one of the parts, about receivers not getting open. The new coaching staff I can only hope will go a long way to alleviating the latter 3 problems. In short, the line is a problem, but it isn't the only problem. The Texans do need another weapon in the passing game. That is also one reason that people can support getting a Reggie Bush even when we do need line help... he can help given how many think he can be Marshal Faulk-like in his ability to be split out as a WR.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hmmm...now that sounds like an idea that makes some sense.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4433372
Hence my self-mocking a few posts later...In all seriousness [not to hijack] but I would say the Eagles DO sign Bentley, but Mawae signs elsewhere, probably the Dolphins.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Don't forget that they have the first two picks in the third round as well. Plenty of good linemen come out of the third round.good point, david...sometimes if a team can even improve one key variable, if it is the right kind, it can have a big impact & ripple through to make others on the team better...
the texans could have three fairly sizeable events that could send shockwaves through their landscape next season, that you cited (plus some others)...
1 - bush... arguably greatest college RB ever & best pro prospect since barry sanders...
2 - bruce... runs some of best intermediate routes & gets open in traffic better than about 95% of the league's WRs...
3 - kubiak... scheme could be better at putting playmakers in position to make more plays...
also,
4 - with the salary cap boost, they might have extra money to shore up interior OL & RT (pitts is a solid young LT, & i think they just reupped with center)... i'm guessing they will be viewed as an up 'n coming tem by vet FAs... plus there is draft after round 1... in round 2, it is very possible they could get OG like jean-gilles or second tier RT... probably not mcneil but maybe kid from texas...
5 - mathis is one of fastest players in NFL (along with bennett... he was gaining ground on deangelo hall in the short spring at pro bowl) & could be a dangerous WR3 in the slot...
* bruce is a professional & the veteran influence on a young, inexperienced team about how to work & prepare to be a pro could be incalculable... the rams will regret losing him if he gets away... another idiotic move by zygmunt & shaw (among a litany of them) in recent seasons in failing to re-sign core players...
if bruce teaches a physical specimen with a good work ethic like andre johnson a thing or two about route running... setting up DBs, changing speeds, identifying soft spots in zone & other WR-skills arcana... 'dre could soon be scaring the bejeezus out of opposing DCs & terrorizing secondaries for most of the next decade... get used to it, opposing afc south fans...
GregR_2
Footballguy
I think Bob brings up a very valid point that you don't hear as much as you should when talking about the Texans. This is a team without a lot of veteran leadership. They got rid of Sharper and Glenn. Dunta is emerging as a leader, but he's still young. They haven't had what I would call a legitimate veteran presence in the receiving corp other than Marc Bruener. I think what Bruce could bring to the team in that respect is something that is easy to gloss over, but that could pay big dividends for the team.Don't forget that they have the first two picks in the third round as well. Plenty of good linemen come out of the third round....
* bruce is a professional & the veteran influence on a young, inexperienced team about how to work & prepare to be a pro could be incalculable... the rams will regret losing him if he gets away... another idiotic move by zygmunt & shaw (among a litany of them) in recent seasons in failing to re-sign core players...
if bruce teaches a physical specimen with a good work ethic like andre johnson a thing or two about route running... setting up DBs, changing speeds, identifying soft spots in zone & other WR-skills arcana... 'dre could soon be scaring the bejeezus out of opposing DCs & terrorizing secondaries for most of the next decade... get used to it, opposing afc south fans...
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Rozelle
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Absolutley! quote from GregR Carr is fast, but not elusive, and sometimes displayed a deer-in-headlights mentality and bailed when he could have bought more time.
* Carr needs to make faster decisions.
This is because Carr is shelled shocked, but Kubiak will fix that. Then as Bob suggested, add a Reggie Bush and maybe a Issac Bruce (and everything he can bring) and this offense could really be something special. Kubiak is no dummy, he know he needs to address the O-line. I look for Houston target Putzier and give Carr another option in the passing game, obviosly he is familar with Kubiak's system.
The Defense may not need as much work as meets the eye, a scheme better suited for the talent may be a good place to start. But I expect it to be a liability for the next couple of years until they can get better talent.
If they can have a good draft, pick up some key FA's, this team will make increadable strides.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think that's Kubiak's first order of business, but I'm very curious to see whether it's possible. I don't think someone as pounded as David Carr magically reverts back into a completely calm, poised thrower simply because the line starts playing better. The guy has been decimated these last few years. I wonder if there's any precedent for a QB getting sacked so much at the start of their career and rebounding later...
GregR_2
Footballguy
I think it is a definite concern. I do think Carr may be able to turn it around, enough so that it plays a big role in why I don't think the Texans should select Leinart or Young, or trade down for Cutler.But at the same time, I think there is enough risk Carr can't turn it around that the Texans will need to find someone to offset their risk at backup QB. I know a lot of my friends here in Houston were comfortable with Tony Banks as someone experienced who could come in and play a few games in case of injury.
But I really think Houston needs to look at getting a guy who has enough potential he could end up a worthwhile starter, but not someone you plan to hang your hat on completely. So I was glad to see Banks released. Hopefully they plan to pick up someone else with more potential as a backup.
Bledsoe still folds under any kind of pressure
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Bledsoe was sacked 16, 22 and 23 times in his first three years, respectively. Hardly qualifies 
Rozelle
Moderator
I have watched Houston play alot over the past couple of years. Capers had a style of "play no to lose" and this became infectious. Houston has some talent and will add more this year. Its easy to forget how talented Carr is. Capers offense was in some way like having a fancy sports car and only using 2 gears. 45mph.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I don't think any QB has been sacked as much as Carr, so it wouldn't be an exact precedent. But here are some other numbers for comparison:# times sacked in first 4 years starting:
Carr: 208 in 60 games.
McNabb: 140 in 54 games
Favre: 128 in 63
Plummer: 150 in 52 games.
Culpepper: 151 in 57 games.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i don't have sack numbers handy, but was aikman pounded first few years?
i wonder about steve young... he came up with tampa bay in usfl, i think, if that counts... don't know specifically about sacks, but recall in general team was very bad, he may not have had great WR weapons & was running for his life a lot... he might have been elusive enough to run away from & out of trouble...
& young was a pretty cool customer & as tough as they come...
i wonder about steve young... he came up with tampa bay in usfl, i think, if that counts... don't know specifically about sacks, but recall in general team was very bad, he may not have had great WR weapons & was running for his life a lot... he might have been elusive enough to run away from & out of trouble...
& young was a pretty cool customer & as tough as they come...
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
don't have link, but i'm hearing WAS has offered bruce $6 mill signing bonus... rams cheapskates offered $9 mill over three years, i think... he's probably worth more like 5 mill per year...
al saunders is new OC... he was schooled under vermiel, who was of course bruce's HC at one time with rams...
al saunders is new OC... he was schooled under vermiel, who was of course bruce's HC at one time with rams...
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