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I voted for him twice.  My nephew worked for him in the Oval Office and still corresponds with him personally.  I believe he's a good man at heart with some great talents.  Unfortunately I think his Presidency was a lost opportunity.  Too damn divisive.  I really thought having a black President would be so good for the country and heel the racial divide.  Instead it got worse.  And in my opinion a lot of it has to do with how he handled things.

 
Higgs said:
I voted for him twice.  My nephew worked for him in the Oval Office and still corresponds with him personally.  I believe he's a good man at heart with some great talents.  Unfortunately I think his Presidency was a lost opportunity.  Too damn divisive.  I really thought having a black President would be so good for the country and heel the racial divide.  Instead it got worse.  And in my opinion a lot of it has to do with how he handled things.
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I agree that he should have reached out to Republicans more. It doesn't help when you have hyper partisans like Mitch McConnell on the other side though who state on day one their intent to obstruct everything and their only job was to make sure Obama was a failed one termer. And this stance was taken when the country was at its lowest and falling apart deep into the great recession. Great public servant there.

 
Higgs said:
I voted for him twice.  My nephew worked for him in the Oval Office and still corresponds with him personally.  I believe he's a good man at heart with some great talents.  Unfortunately I think his Presidency was a lost opportunity.  Too damn divisive.  I really thought having a black President would be so good for the country and heel the racial divide.  Instead it got worse.  And in my opinion a lot of it has to do with how he handled things.
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I'll be honest, I didn't vote for Obama (didn't vote in 2008, Gary Johnson 2012 and 2016) and I've been overall pretty happy with him as a president.  If I had concerns that NY was in play, I would've possible voted for him.  Had he been able to run for a third term rather than Hillary, I likely would've voted for him this past election.

I don't agree with all that he did, but he helped move the needle in the direction of social progressives.  Refusal to defend DOMA was a good thing.  Not pursuing too much federal action on states that legalized marijuana.  The ACA may be a failed program long-term, but I think the idea behind it was single-payer.  I think the divisive comment is a bit unfair, but that's your opinion.  I think for the first time, there was a minority person in the WH, and he used the pulpit to shine a light on racial and diversity issues.  Some people, black and white, didn't react as well as they should've and that's a shame.  I'm not going to put that on him, though.  Ignoring racial tensions and police issues are like a bandaid on a flesh wound.  Obama's presidency + social media helped pull that bandaid off, for better or worse.

Ultimately, despite the right-wing criticisms, I've found him to be a generally moderate president who always handled himself with class and a little bit of a humor.   I'm happy and proud to say he was a President of the United States.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Ultimately, despite the right-wing criticisms, I've found him to be a generally moderate president who always handled himself with class and a little bit of a humor.   I'm happy and proud to say he was a President of the United States.
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I agree with this sentiment. He's governed quite moderately except for certain executive appointments and executive actions, and he did handle himself with grace and humor. 

I'm a die-hard conservative, but I personally liked him, if not all of his policies.  

 
cap'n grunge said:
I agree that he should have reached out to Republicans more. It doesn't help when you have hyper partisans like Mitch McConnell on the other side though who state on day one their intent to obstruct everything and their only job was to make sure Obama was a failed one termer. And this stance was taken when the country was at its lowest and falling apart deep into the great recession. Great public servant there.
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Actually, Obama was the one who cast aside the GOP with his "elections have consequences and I won" in the first days of his term when the country was at it's lowest and falling apart deep into the great recession. McConnell's comments came almost 2 years later.

 
humpback said:
Actually, Obama was the one who cast aside the GOP with his "elections have consequences and I won" in the first days of his term when the country was at it's lowest and falling apart deep into the great recession. McConnell's comments came almost 2 years later.
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Mea culpa. You are correct. I had the timing wrong. The fact remains however that the Republicans dug in their heels and refused to work with him. Obama reciprocated. I'm irritated at the whole thing.

 
humpback said:
Actually, Obama was the one who cast aside the GOP with his "elections have consequences and I won" in the first days of his term when the country was at it's lowest and falling apart deep into the great recession. McConnell's comments came almost 2 years later.
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And there wasn't anything that prompted those statements. nothing.

 
cap'n grunge said:
Mea culpa. You are correct. I had the timing wrong. The fact remains however that the Republicans dug in their heels and refused to work with him. Obama reciprocated. I'm irritated at the whole thing.
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You still have the timing wrong- Obama is the one who told the GOP to f-off first, then they reciprocated. 

Let me be clear, I think both sides suck and the GOP is probably worse, but this narrative that Obama and the left tried their best to work with the right from day 1 is nonsense.

 
humpback said:
You still have the timing wrong- Obama is the one who told the GOP to f-off first, then they reciprocated. 

Let me be clear, I think both sides suck and the GOP is probably worse, but this narrative that Obama and the left tried their best to work with the right from day 1 is nonsense.
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this stuff is so irritating, and would be funny if it didn't have real life consequences. Nothing better then grown men being encouraged to point fingers and getting into **** size contests when plenty of real life issues are going on.

Luckily we can keep on pointing fingers and blaming each other like a middle school conflict, and maybe one day it will all be fine

 
GoBirds said:
It's amazing isn't it. 

If Barry didn't suck so bad we wouldn't have ended up with Trump. 

Thanks. Obama.  :X
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Yeah, I wasn't going to go there, but seeing as @McGarnicle opened the door...

I predicted in here in June 2015 that Obama's failed policies, and the dismissive tone and condescending behavior of the "liberal elites", would lead to a sharp backlash and Donald Trump being elected President.  It was met with a dismissive tone and condescending behavior, along with a year's worth of insults.

One of Obama's legacies is going to be Donald Trump.  You built that Barry!   :lmao:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-rest-of-the-story-what-obama-wont-tell-you-about-his-legacy-2017-01-05

 
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Higgs said:
Yeah, I wasn't going to go there, but seeing as @McGarnicle opened the door...

I predicted in here in June 2015 that Obama's failed policies, and the dismissive tone and condescending behavior of the "liberal elites", would lead to a sharp backlash and Donald Trump being elected President.  It was met with a dismissive tone and condescending behavior, along with a year's worth of insults.

One of Obama's legacies is going to be Donald Trump.  You built that Barry!   :lmao:
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Don't think your getting away from the insults, those are still flowing as freely as ever from the lib elite.  :pokey:

Thanks. 

Obama. 

 
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-Went back to college at Univ of Miami fulfilling a lifelong dream. Also present at UM day Trump announced and then announced to the entire student body present in the mess hall "Meet your new President" and I was roundly booed. 

-Got to walk in my mother's footsteps and teach like she did to underprivileged and economically challeneged kids. 

-Bought a home and was able to receive 22k from the bank to fix it up when the market was down and then turn a profit 36 months later. Set us up for when we are older 20 years down the road. Just beautiful.

-Saw our 401ks skyrocket from a market low of 6,000 when we loaded up and maxed them out. 

Thank You Obama, I made a lot of money on you while you gave everyone false hope, thank you very much and have a nice day!

 
The U.S. military only had 19 war casualties (deaths) in 2016, the lowest number in 15 years. So, thanks Obama for keeping our soldiers safer than they've been since 2001.

 
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As sitting Pres., more popular than Reagan in 88 AND Trump coming in.
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That's an amazing tidbit.  It's astounding when you think about it - Hillary was riding Obama's coat tails, and facing Donald Trump, and she still couldn't win.

 
humpback said:
Actually, Obama was the one who cast aside the GOP with his "elections have consequences and I won" in the first days of his term when the country was at it's lowest and falling apart deep into the great recession. McConnell's comments came almost 2 years later.
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Meh. I remember listening to Sean Hannity the day after Obama won in 08. I had just bought an XBOX 360 and was playing DEAD RISING.  His argument (to paraphrase) was "We will give  you a chance and work with you Mr. Obama....if you are pro-voucher, anti abortion, lower taxes on businesses tin order to create jobs, are staunchly pro 2nd Amendment, in favor of the sanctity of marriage, willing to keep Gitmo open, pro drilling and anti any Climate Treaties".

I listen to more conservative talk radio than one probably should....and Hannitys sentiment of that day was pretty much lockstep with everyone else. I have no reason to doubt that the Republican Politicans felt the same way: i.e. as long as Obama did want they wanted....they'd work with him. 

ETA: That being said, I'm not sure how much of a success Obamas Presidency has been. 

 
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Steve Tasker said:
I'll be honest, I didn't vote for Obama (didn't vote in 2008, Gary Johnson 2012 and 2016) and I've been overall pretty happy with him as a president.  If I had concerns that NY was in play, I would've possible voted for him.  Had he been able to run for a third term rather than Hillary, I likely would've voted for him this past election.

I don't agree with all that he did, but he helped move the needle in the direction of social progressives.  Refusal to defend DOMA was a good thing.  Not pursuing too much federal action on states that legalized marijuana.  The ACA may be a failed program long-term, but I think the idea behind it was single-payer.  I think the divisive comment is a bit unfair, but that's your opinion.  I think for the first time, there was a minority person in the WH, and he used the pulpit to shine a light on racial and diversity issues.  Some people, black and white, didn't react as well as they should've and that's a shame.  I'm not going to put that on him, though.  Ignoring racial tensions and police issues are like a bandaid on a flesh wound.  Obama's presidency + social media helped pull that bandaid off, for better or worse.

Ultimately, despite the right-wing criticisms, I've found him to be a generally moderate president who always handled himself with class and a little bit of a humor.   I'm happy and proud to say he was a President of the United States.
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He's extremely divisive. Not unfair in the least.

 
T J said:
He's extremely divisive. Not unfair in the least.
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I think a lot of people on the Left have difficulty seeing this divisiveness.  I agree with you, don't get me wrong.  I think it's a subtle form of divisiveness.  It's not so much what he says as much as what he doesn't say.  He's a thinker.  And thinkers tend to have a blind spot at times.  He really doesn't connect with his opponents.  He comes across as not caring and belittling.  It's really frustrating as hell because if he could have done this better he really could have healed this nation.  When it comes to Obama I am always left shaking my head at what could have been.

That being said, he did handle himself with grace and dignity, and the country is better off for having had him.

 
We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.

 
Higgs said:
I think a lot of people on the Left have difficulty seeing this divisiveness.  I agree with you, don't get me wrong.  I think it's a subtle form of divisiveness.  It's not so much what he says as much as what he doesn't say.  He's a thinker.  And thinkers tend to have a blind spot at times.  He really doesn't connect with his opponents.  He comes across as not caring and belittling.  It's really frustrating as hell because if he could have done this better he really could have healed this nation.  When it comes to Obama I am always left shaking my head at what could have been.

That being said, he did handle himself with grace and dignity, and the country is better off for having had him.
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Out of curiosity, when you say "he really could have healed this nation" - what specifically do you mean by that?  What do you believe he should have done differently which would substantially change where we are today for the better?

 
T J said:
 Obama has been the most racially divisive president in my lifetime and maybe in history, which makes him a turd in my book. 
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Sorry guy, Obama is a genius on race.

“I don’t think it’s accurate to say race relations are getting worse,” Obama told ABC News’ Jay Levine. “I promise you, for the most part, race relations have gotten better,” he added.

The president went on to assert that racial tensions only appear to be getting worse because of “smart phones and the Internet”.

Obama’s claim is completely contradicted by the views of the American people.

 
The failed "racial" aspects of the Obama Presidency kind of confuse me.....what did he eaxctly do?

1) Not condemn some whites enough for their racist believes/attitudes?

2) Not condemnt some blacks enough for their racist believes/attitudes?

3) Give blacks enough confidence/swagger to wild out against a perceived racist system?

4) Not give whites reassurance enough that he would keep said wilding out blacks in line?

 
I'm one who's not in love with Obama nor an overly political correct person.....but its my anecdotal experiences that those who vehenementally opposed Obama from the onset were racially charged to do so.  Intererstingly enough, most of those said people are more willing to trust the former head of the KGB than their own former President. Boggles the mind. 

 
Thunderlips said:
The failed "racial" aspects of the Obama Presidency kind of confuse me.....what did he eaxctly do?

1) Not condemn some whites enough for their racist believes/attitudes?

2) Not condemnt some blacks enough for their racist believes/attitudes?

3) Give blacks enough confidence/swagger to wild out against a perceived racist system?

4) Not give whites reassurance enough that he would keep said wilding out blacks in line?
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:goodposting: Pretty much. 

 
cap'n grunge said:
Mea culpa. You are correct. I had the timing wrong. The fact remains however that the Republicans dug in their heels and refused to work with him. Obama reciprocated. I'm irritated at the whole thing.
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It is true, but to be fair, this digging in heels and "not my President" attitude foes back at least to George W. Bush's first term. It has to end. Somebody needs to heal this country. It wasn't Obama, and it won't be Trump. (And it wouldn't have been Hillary either.)

 
I would love to give Obama some truth serum and ask him what he really thinks of Hillary Clinton.  He's towing the party line by blaming Russia, but deep down he has to be pissed at her blowing what should have been a layup, and now the GOP is likely to dismantle the ACA, his signature piece of legislation, which wouldn't have happen if they hadn't gotten arrogant and overconfident and assumed Clinton would steamroll Trump. 

 
Failures (just off the top of me head):

1. Waited too long to enter the Libyan conflict.

2. Syria is a big failure.

3. Arab Spring - so many Copts were prosecuted or lost their lives. Obama said/did nothing.

4. Nuclear deal with Iran

5. ACA - the big one!

6. There are a number of executive orders/regulations that made it harder to do business and delayed the recovery.

7. The recovery really did take too long, and Obama was talking about lowering expectations.

8.  The libs have to give him bad grades on environmental protection.

9, Making comments about the guilt of certain police officers before all the facts were known fanned the flames.

10, Ordering schools to let pre-pubscent kids use whatever bathroom they perceived their gender to be. News Flash: bathrooms are divided by sex. Sex is determined by hwat is between your legs, gender is decided by what is between your ears.

11. Yes, race relations are worse now than when he took office.

12. His SEC regulations have personally cost me about $250,000 so I'm bitter. I admit it.

13. Gitmo is still open.

 
bueno said:
It is true, but to be fair, this digging in heels and "not my President" attitude foes back at least to George W. Bush's first term. It has to end. 
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With each new president it seems to get worse

 
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bueno said:
It is true, but to be fair, this digging in heels and "not my President" attitude foes back at least to George W. Bush's first term. It has to end. Somebody needs to heal this country. It wasn't Obama, and it won't be Trump. (And it wouldn't have been Hillary either.)
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Yeah.  I don't understand the "not my president" crowd. What does that even mean?   You only follow the person you voted for?

 
I still don't get this "divisive" and "race relations are worse" crap.

It seems more like there are a bunch of people out there who don't like it when the status quo gets tweaked.   

"The president addressed the possible problem of blacks being treated differently by the police?  How divisive!"

 
Thunderlips said:
Meh. I remember listening to Sean Hannity the day after Obama won in 08. I had just bought an XBOX 360 and was playing DEAD RISING.  His argument (to paraphrase) was "We will give  you a chance and work with you Mr. Obama....if you are pro-voucher, anti abortion, lower taxes on businesses tin order to create jobs, are staunchly pro 2nd Amendment, in favor of the sanctity of marriage, willing to keep Gitmo open, pro drilling and anti any Climate Treaties".

I listen to more conservative talk radio than one probably should....and Hannitys sentiment of that day was pretty much lockstep with everyone else. I have no reason to doubt that the Republican Politicans felt the same way: i.e. as long as Obama did want they wanted....they'd work with him. 

ETA: That being said, I'm not sure how much of a success Obamas Presidency has been. 
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Like I said, I think both sides suck on this (and most) issue(s), just saying that the narrative that the left bent over backwards to work with the right in the beginning is  :bs: . They were in full on "scoreboard" mode (just like the right is now).

 
Thunderlips said:
I'm one who's not in love with Obama nor an overly political correct person.....but its my anecdotal experiences that those who vehenementally opposed Obama from the onset were racially charged to do so.  Intererstingly enough, most of those said people are more willing to trust the former head of the KGB than their own former President. Boggles the mind. 
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Well said

 
Steve Tasker said:
I'll be honest, I didn't vote for Obama (didn't vote in 2008, Gary Johnson 2012 and 2016) and I've been overall pretty happy with him as a president.  If I had concerns that NY was in play, I would've possible voted for him.  Had he been able to run for a third term rather than Hillary, I likely would've voted for him this past election.

I don't agree with all that he did, but he helped move the needle in the direction of social progressives.  Refusal to defend DOMA was a good thing.  Not pursuing too much federal action on states that legalized marijuana.  The ACA may be a failed program long-term, but I think the idea behind it was single-payer.  I think the divisive comment is a bit unfair, but that's your opinion.  I think for the first time, there was a minority person in the WH, and he used the pulpit to shine a light on racial and diversity issues.  Some people, black and white, didn't react as well as they should've and that's a shame.  I'm not going to put that on him, though.  Ignoring racial tensions and police issues are like a bandaid on a flesh wound.  Obama's presidency + social media helped pull that bandaid off, for better or worse.

Ultimately, despite the right-wing criticisms, I've found him to be a generally moderate president who always handled himself with class and a little bit of a humor.   I'm happy and proud to say he was a President of the United States.
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This echos almost exactly how I feel, but I did vote for him in 2008 (primary & general)

 
Those of you claiming Obama was divisive... could you cite a few specific examples of this behavior?  I'm trying to understand what y'all mean when you use that term, and how Obama was guilty of it.

 
Higgs said:
I predicted in here in June 2015 that Obama's failed policies, and the dismissive tone and condescending behavior of the "liberal elites", would lead to a sharp backlash and Donald Trump being elected President.  It was met with a dismissive tone and condescending behavior, along with a year's worth of insults.
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If someone were to come along and say that your version of this story is lacking in some credibility, and pointed out that your user profile had not yet been created in June 2015 to support their claim, what would you say to them?

 
I wish everyone was willing to work with the ACA. For example, every state should have accepted the Medicaid expansion. And I think it was a bad idea to alllow carriers drop out of the market. They could have waited longer to let things play out. Something like the ACA isn't an instant cure, it has to be tweaked and amended. Its just sad that they want to repeal the entire thing instead of just fixing whatever they feel is wrong. 

One day I hope I hope a politician is brave enough to try to eliminate health insurance companies. They're the common denominator in all of the issues we have in our healthcare system. 

Its funny you guys say Obama was too divisive towards the GOP. One of the main things I read about Obama is that he was "too centrist" and tried to play both sides of the field too much and didn't stand his ground enough. But I guess it just depends on how you view his actions.

 
Thunderlips said:
I'm one who's not in love with Obama nor an overly political correct person.....but its my anecdotal experiences that those who vehenementally opposed Obama from the onset were racially charged to do so.  Intererstingly enough, most of those said people are more willing to trust the former head of the KGB than their own former President. Boggles the mind. 
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Ah there we go.  You're a racist if you didn't like him from the beginning.  Can't you guys come up with some new stuff for once? 

 
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