IvanKaramazov
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I make sure to tell Tim that he's wrong about something at least weekly. It's my good deed of the day.So you’re saying that @timschochet is on UVA faculty?
I make sure to tell Tim that he's wrong about something at least weekly. It's my good deed of the day.So you’re saying that @timschochet is on UVA faculty?
I think I speak for all of us when I say you provide this forum with a valuable service.I make sure to tell Tim that he's wrong about something at least weekly. It's my good deed of the day.
that is an outstanding read and echoes many of my own thought processes about woke thought and intersectionality. This stuff is the most depressing religion I've ever heard of - you get all the strident authoritarianism, unquestionable dogma, impassioned declarations of heresy, and condemnation of unbelievers, but you don't get any forgiveness of sins or seventy two virgins.
Maybe so, but this started with Dr. Social Justice locking the University into a process with the complaint. If they would have just ignored the pointed questioning this would never have happened.Of course, it's not just the Assistant Dean. A bunch of people had to sign off on the decision to ban this student from campus, and I do worry that some vital piece of information is being left out of this story.
This is where I feel the need to defend my counterparts at UVA, which is a truly excellent, world-class university. The folks who you interacted with in admissions or athletics are basically foreigners as far as the academic folks are concerned. We know they work at the same institution that we do, and we may like them, but they're not really peers.The two times I've interacted with UVA was with the pompous asses in admissions and one football game I went to go see where the crowd threw stuff at our group (nasty, intent to injure stuff). So, no doubt, UVA are all tools - the whole lot of them, are undeniably guilty, and richly deserve the beatdown.
I think it's worse than that. I think they know it's career suicide to voice any opposition.IvanKaramazov said:For me, the interesting thing about this story is that I can imagine the social dynamics at play and how a bunch of people sign off on a decision that they know is wrong but they go along anyway because it's just easier.
I may have carried a bit of a grudge here for the last 30 years...IvanKaramazov said:This is where I feel the need to defend my counterparts at UVA, which is a truly excellent, world-class university. The folks who you interacted with in admissions or athletics are basically foreigners as far as the academic folks are concerned. We know they work at the same institution that we do, and we may like them, but they're not really peers.
Universities are like little cities. Different silos of the same entity don't necessarily see eye to eye. I'm actually part of the weird side. The athletics people are probably pretty normal.
My favorite in that is they tweeted this list to boycott and Twitter is on the list......https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1379989302860414978/photo/1
Updated list of companies that y'all can boycott.
Do you like James O'Keefe?This takes petty to the next level.
https://youtu.be/P7HSa6rzrmI
Twitter suspends project Veritas and James O'Keefe for exposing a CNN director stating that CNNs goal was to get Trump out of office and he specifically joined for that reason. Obviously people on here do not like veritas and O'Keefe but that's not the petty part. Apparently if you try to search project Veritas, the first result on Twitter is CNN. They can't help themselves.
Meh not really but I feel he has a right to do the kind of reporting he does.Do you like James O'Keefe?
"We have not had systemic racism against Blacks in this country since the civil rights reforms of the 1960s, a period of more than 50 years."Brearley
A bit of a rant but pretty much how I’d imagine one of these exclusive nyc schools being run.
lol yah that raised any eyebrow."We have not had systemic racism against Blacks in this country since the civil rights reforms of the 1960s, a period of more than 50 years."
I knew we were friends but...this changes things. And not in a bad wayThis takes petty to the next level.
https://youtu.be/P7HSa6rzrmI
Twitter suspends project Veritas and James O'Keefe for exposing a CNN director stating that CNNs goal was to get Trump out of office and he specifically joined for that reason. Obviously people on here do not like veritas and O'Keefe but that's not the petty part. Apparently if you try to search project Veritas, the first result on Twitter is CNN. They can't help themselves.
Yeah, I remember my parents talking about the Klan storming into a church out in the county one night and scaring the hell out of everyone in there, hoods and all. They had a big march in the town, everyone kind of stayed away. You never knew who they were, who supported them, who they knew who would look the other way if they committed violence. To me, that's what white supremacy is, not some redefined phrase for someone who disagrees with you politically.lol yah that raised any eyebrow.
I think one of the big “talking past each other” items right now is “systemic racism”. It’s kinda like “white supremacy”. I think they are these newly popular phrases the woke crowd loves that are very mis-applied and help more to divide than do anything good. Honestly I remember white supremacists when I was a kid, it was synonymous with KKK. Now most white people are in some part of white supremacy without even knowing it.
Was thinking about starting a thread on both of these.
In principle, he's correct. Maybe not the 60s, but certainly late 90s. The US has overcome and made atonement for their past."We have not had systemic racism against Blacks in this country since the civil rights reforms of the 1960s, a period of more than 50 years."
I don't agree that systemic racism is gone (as an aside I do agree with race hustler part). I was going to start a thread on this but I'll jam my thoughts in here.In principle, he's correct. Maybe not the 60s, but certainly late 90s. The US has overcome and made atonement for their past.
The race hustlers don't want that as that would cut off the money.
And UVA's response to the suit from the student: "Offensive speech does not enjoy First Amendment protections." You can't make this stuff up. And, of course, the question is - who decides what's offensive?And to think, university is where we are supposed to encourage free thought and dissent.
In fairness to UVA, it's not as if they have a top-flight law school with people who are familiar with the first amendment or anything.And UVA's response to the suit from the student: "Offensive speech does not enjoy First Amendment protections." You can't make this stuff up. And, of course, the question is - who decides what's offensive?
Not to mention the thread has a direct case that contradicts UVA's assertion.
He should be suspended and sued.LeBron James is getting more ignorant by the minute.
LeBron James Posts Photo Of Cop Who Protected Black Girl From Being Stabbed: ‘YOU’RE NEXT’
That's a pretty easy first amendment lawsuit. That city will be paying dearly for firing the officer over clearly protected speech.
Especially when the information was obtained by hackers breaching a website.That's a pretty easy first amendment lawsuit. That city will be paying dearly for firing the officer over clearly protected speech.
This was clearly retribution for his swipe at law enforcement leadership. And, yes, I think he’s got a basis for appealing his firing.
Republican legislatures' systematic weakening of unions.How is this even legal?
Those famously weak police unions.Republican legislatures' systematic weakening of unions.
Lt Kelly is not a member of the union.Those famously weak police unions.
And yet YOU'RE the one who brought up the weakening of unions.Lt Kelly is not a member of the union.
And the strength of the police union relative to others does not make his firing less legal.
VA is right to work which means he is not required to join the union. Without union contract or protection it's easy to fire without cause. They don't have to justify anything. It's possible the union tries to protect him anyway but we'll see. I am sure like Rittenhouse other concerned conservatives will donate to his defense. It's a shame if he loses his job over a private message, but he did so on a gov computer/email. It is that brazenness which revealed his position and brought him scrutiny.BladeRunner said:And yet YOU'RE the one who brought up the weakening of unions.
@IvanKaramazov was simply responding to your absurd post to begin with.
Many people are on their work computers all day and often don't realize 1/ the time they are prob doing personal stuff like shopping or posting on message boards).VA is right to work which means he is not required to join the union. Without union contract or protection it's easy to fire without cause. They don't have to justify anything. It's possible the union tries to protect him anyway but we'll see. I am sure like Rittenhouse other concerned conservatives will donate to his defense. It's a shame if he loses his job over a private message, but he did so on a gov computer/email. It is that brazenness which revealed his position and brought him scrutiny.
I agree the hack and dox are criminal. He should take some responsibility for HRCing himself into being doxed. Now that the information is out there, the department would be negligent not to consider it wrt his employment.Many people are on their work computers all day and often don't realize 1/ the time they are prob doing personal stuff like shopping or posting on message boards).
That said, it most likely would not have mattered in regards to the overall topic of this thread; Wokeness and Cancel culture.
People who engage in it have no problem going to great lengths to out someone on their list. And thats the overall problem is that its not "illegal" to support someone like Rittenhouse, but the pressure by "wokers" on the dept once that info gets out is worse than the legal justification of firing the guy.
You can change the written rules easily. Changing the unwritten rules and personal biases of those who have discretionary power is a whole other matter.I don't agree that systemic racism is gone (as an aside I do agree with race hustler part). I was going to start a thread on this but I'll jam my thoughts in here.
People are talking past each other on this front.
A couple of basic concepts that I think need to be said to make this easier:
Our country has done an incredible job eliminating racism out of the process. I wont say its completely out, but practically speaking it is. This is where the conversation ends for some people...I assume Blade this is where you end it. The system is not racist. If we just ended here I would say that I largely agree, to the point where exceptions prove the rule.
- What is a system? In this context it is the process/laws/procedures (i'll call it process) that we've established AND the execution of said things most typically by humans. Most typically in the US by white humans (i'll call it people)
- In some instances I would substitute the word bias for racism . Racism is loaded and is not always accurate and therefore gets in the way of real discussion. Bias has the same end result and much more plainly evident...you don't have to look into the soul of a person.
But many of the people that administer it still have legacy bias. I'd submit the majority of them if not all of them. Every human truly has bias. Some are racists.
You cannot separate the people from the system when the people are the ones that execute the system. A jury and a judge may be implementing the non discriminatory laws , but the decisions they make will be influenced by their bias. The lending officer may be implementing the non discriminatory lending rules but bias will enter into the interaction. Does the lending officers bias make her more likely to recommend a certain loan vs another? So on and so on.
The above plays out across millions of interactions every day. We see it in policing. The police manual doesn't say to handcuff black people differently. But people have biases and the execution of the manual is influenced. In some cases the bias is actually very foreseeable and not even necessarily the fault of the individual (in policing I think this is true I wrote about this and how to try to counteract it earlier).
Where do I net out on it all. We've come an incredibly long way. The processes are in very good shape. The people despite everything you read are in good shape. We can do better with the people though. Job training is one area. Another is the actual process itself...sometime you might need to add elements to it that are counter-intuitive to "race neutral" but can help ensure race neutrality in the execution of it by humans.
I'd say a few hundred years and a lot of dead soldiers from the civil war would disagree with the bolded.You can change the written rules easily. Changing the unwritten rules and personal biases of those who have discretionary power is a whole other matter.
And I'm sure Facebook and Twitter quashed all news stories on this as being the fruit of hacking. Like they did with Hunter Biden.jon_mx said:Especially when the information was obtained by hackers breaching a website.
That was the biggest line of BS ever.And I'm sure Facebook and Twitter quashed all news stories on this as being the fruit of hacking. Like they did with Hunter Biden.
After all, they uniformly applies those rules.
I am not sure that is accurate. He may have put his email address in at the website when he donated, but that is different than using his government computer and email. A few people were identified as using their official email address, but I am not certain he was even one of them.VA is right to work which means he is not required to join the union. Without union contract or protection it's easy to fire without cause. They don't have to justify anything. It's possible the union tries to protect him anyway but we'll see. I am sure like Rittenhouse other concerned conservatives will donate to his defense. It's a shame if he loses his job over a private message, but he did so on a gov computer/email. It is that brazenness which revealed his position and brought him scrutiny.
Possible he only listed his work email but don't think it changes much as far as policy. According to the Guardian article Kelly and the three others doxed used "official" email which I take to mean his gov email. The donation was anonymous but tied to his email.I am not sure that is accurate. He may have put his email address in at the website when he donated, but that is different than using his government computer and email. A few people were identified as using their official email address, but I am not certain he was even one of them.
So?Possible he only listed his work email but don't think it changes much as far as policy. According to the Guardian article Kelly and the three others doxed used "official" email which I take to mean his gov email. The donation was anonymous but tied to his email.
When jonmx asked how it was legal in a hypothetical question, I gave a tangential response on how it was very much legal. He broke policy, and they don't even have to use that as a reason. I sympathize he was the victim of doxing, he should be able to move somewhere else to continue his career.
How do you know he broke a policy, and how do you know that the penalty is supposed to be termination?When jonmx asked how it was legal in a hypothetical question, I gave a tangential response on how it was very much legal. He broke policy, and they don't even have to use that as a reason. I sympathize he was the victim of doxing, he should be able to move somewhere else to continue his career.
That's fair. By using a work email he should not expect privacy.How do you know he broke a policy, and how do you know that the penalty is supposed to be termination?
I'm a government employee. I'll give you three guesses what email address I use for social media, Amazon, DirecTV, Playstation, Steam, etc.
I dunno. I don't that first 10secs is too far off.
Apparently her and MTG are going to debate. It's going to be an epic showdown of dumb and stupid all around!
I can't believe you made me watch it again.I dunno. I don't that first 10secs is too far off.
Well, you made me click on a Twitter link, so we are even.I can't believe you made me watch it again.
I think that the first 10 seconds isn't so far off, in so much as police are out to kill black people isn't far off either.