Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
Guess the same rules should apply that applied for rock:If there is a definite leader (his/her name is the only one listed as part of the band), you get all of the incarnations that artists group.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
Yes, I think I would agree with all of those. Although, was Wings called Paul McCartney and Wings?Guess the same rules should apply that applied for rock:If there is a definite leader (his/her name is the only one listed as part of the band), you get all of the incarnations that artists group.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
So, if you take Prince, you get Prince & The Revolution, and Prince & The NPG.
If you take Paul McCartney, you get Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney & Wings, but not the Beatles.
If you take Miles Davis, you get all of HIS groups incarnations, but not any of the groups he was only a member of.
with these rules, guys who were never given top billing wouldn't be eligible to be taken. that's probably ok, as i can't see any other way to do it without making it an individual musician draft.Guess the same rules should apply that applied for rock:If there is a definite leader (his/her name is the only one listed as part of the band), you get all of the incarnations that artists group.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
So, if you take Prince, you get Prince & The Revolution, and Prince & The NPG.
If you take Paul McCartney, you get Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney & Wings, but not the Beatles.
If you take Miles Davis, you get all of HIS groups incarnations, but not any of the groups he was only a member of.
Exactly.Tough call.Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
With Zappa, specifically, I think you'd either get Zappa's solo stuff and every incarnation of the Mothers or, if we ruled the other way, all of Zappa's solo stuff, while every incarnation of the Mothers would be eligible to be drafted separately.Edit: After reading that, it was a little misleading, I meant that all incarnations of the Mothers would be drafted as one unit, since the name stayed the same.Exactly.Tough call.Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
Do you get all of the incarnations of Zappa and The Mothers?
or
Is each incarnation of The Mothers draftable?
Also, what constitutes a different incarnation?
Is adding one member enough?
I almost think you have to go with the 1st option (all incarnations) . . .
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you're a brave soul.Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
Should we start a thread to discuss the rules and get drafters ready for a Monday morning start?Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
Go ahead. I am not going to be around much today. Still need to eat lunch and I have to go get my broke knee looked at. Do you want me to start a thread so that it can carry over and be the draft thread?Should we start a thread to discuss the rules and get drafters ready for a Monday morning start?Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
You must complete the alphabet with artist namesPick 1:01 - XTCShould we start a thread to discuss the rules and get drafters ready for a Monday morning start?Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
Sure, unless you're too busy.P.S. Is it an ACL? Did it a few years ago.Go ahead. I am not going to be around much today. Still need to eat lunch and I have to go get my broke knee looked at. Do you want me to start a thread so that it can carry over and be the draft thread?Should we start a thread to discuss the rules and get drafters ready for a Monday morning start?Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
I PM'd Upside a while ago.12.09 Tremendous Upside
12.10 wildbill
12.11 John Madden's Lunchbox
12.12 The Dreaded Marco
12.13 amnesiac
12.14 zamboni
12.15 JuniorNB
12.16 DCThunder
12.17 JZilla/Jethro Q. Walrustitty
Don't know yet. I suspect MCL.Sure, unless you're too busy.P.S. Is it an ACL? Did it a few years ago.Go ahead. I am not going to be around much today. Still need to eat lunch and I have to go get my broke knee looked at. Do you want me to start a thread so that it can carry over and be the draft thread?Should we start a thread to discuss the rules and get drafters ready for a Monday morning start?Next week? I probably canI'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?![]()
I get what you're saying.I'd say if you draft Frank Zappa, you get all of his solo stuff, and all of the incarnations of TMoI. This is because he was the definitive leader of that group.With Zappa, specifically, I think you'd either get Zappa's solo stuff and every incarnation of the Mothers or, if we ruled the other way, all of Zappa's solo stuff, while every incarnation of the Mothers would be eligible to be drafted separately.Edit: After reading that, it was a little misleading, I meant that all incarnations of the Mothers would be drafted as one unit, since the name stayed the same.Exactly.Tough call.Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
Do you get all of the incarnations of Zappa and The Mothers?
or
Is each incarnation of The Mothers draftable?
Also, what constitutes a different incarnation?
Is adding one member enough?
I almost think you have to go with the 1st option (all incarnations) . . .
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i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
Yes, they played all their own music and released original material. More to the point, would Milli Vanilli be eligible or would Frank Farian have to be coupled with Boney M & Milli Vanilli?Would Spinal Tap be eligible ...?![]()
why wouldn't they be???Would Spinal Tap be eligible ...?![]()

I'd say that the deciding factor should be whether the "leader's" name was actually used in the name of the band:If you draft Bruce Springsteen, you get his solo stuff and anything by Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band.I get what you're saying.I'd say if you draft Frank Zappa, you get all of his solo stuff, and all of the incarnations of TMoI. This is because he was the definitive leader of that group.With Zappa, specifically, I think you'd either get Zappa's solo stuff and every incarnation of the Mothers or, if we ruled the other way, all of Zappa's solo stuff, while every incarnation of the Mothers would be eligible to be drafted separately.Edit: After reading that, it was a little misleading, I meant that all incarnations of the Mothers would be drafted as one unit, since the name stayed the same.Exactly.Tough call.Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
Do you get all of the incarnations of Zappa and The Mothers?
or
Is each incarnation of The Mothers draftable?
Also, what constitutes a different incarnation?
Is adding one member enough?
I almost think you have to go with the 1st option (all incarnations) . . .
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Almost like branding.
You cannot say TMoI and not think of Zappa.
That is not true of any other member.
Same with say, King Crimson and Robert Fripp.
Ooh.
Now I think I see what you're getting at.
Fripp solo and King Crimson are 2 different beasts.
Um, not so sure anymore . . .
Tough call. Could be a case-by-case thing. For instance, I would probably say that Crimson and Fripp's solo stuff would be separate, however, I'd be inclined to include the Mothers in with all of Zappa's stuff. Not sure why, though. My brain hurts.I get what you're saying.I'd say if you draft Frank Zappa, you get all of his solo stuff, and all of the incarnations of TMoI. This is because he was the definitive leader of that group.With Zappa, specifically, I think you'd either get Zappa's solo stuff and every incarnation of the Mothers or, if we ruled the other way, all of Zappa's solo stuff, while every incarnation of the Mothers would be eligible to be drafted separately.Edit: After reading that, it was a little misleading, I meant that all incarnations of the Mothers would be drafted as one unit, since the name stayed the same.Exactly.Tough call.Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)
Do you get all of the incarnations of Zappa and The Mothers?
or
Is each incarnation of The Mothers draftable?
Also, what constitutes a different incarnation?
Is adding one member enough?
I almost think you have to go with the 1st option (all incarnations) . . .
![]()
Almost like branding.
You cannot say TMoI and not think of Zappa.
That is not true of any other member.
Same with say, King Crimson and Robert Fripp.
Ooh.
Now I think I see what you're getting at.
Fripp solo and King Crimson are 2 different beasts.
Um, not so sure anymore . . .
That seems right to me. Therefore, the Mothers would be a totally separate animal from Zappa's solo stuff.I'd say that the deciding factor should be whether the "leader's" name was actually used in the name of the band:
If you draft Bruce Springsteen, you get his solo stuff and anything by Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band.
If you draft Robert Fripp, you don't get King Crimson.
i think this way will lead to the least amount of arguments.I'd say that the deciding factor should be whether the "leader's" name was actually used in the name of the band:If you draft Bruce Springsteen, you get his solo stuff and anything by Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band.If you draft Robert Fripp, you don't get King Crimson.
am i the only one that likes the alphabet idea?i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
Not bad, but it would be more for ####s and giggles.am i the only one that likes the alphabet idea?i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
FYI, ABC>XTCam i the only one that likes the alphabet idea?i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
If using VBD, XTC would have to go first, though.FYI, ABC>XTCam i the only one that likes the alphabet idea?i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
ZZ Top would be 1:02If using VBD, XTC would have to go first, though.FYI, ABC>XTCam i the only one that likes the alphabet idea?i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
Zappa, Queen, and Queensryche would be first-rounders, too.ZZ Top would be 1:02If using VBD, XTC would have to go first, though.FYI, ABC>XTCam i the only one that likes the alphabet idea?i like this idea even better.Pick 1:01 - XTC
I agree.CN, CSN, & CSNY should all be separate . . .CSNY is another headache altogether, but I, for one, think they should stand alone (as if someone is going to draft Graham Nash's solo career).
What about Credence Clearwater Revisited?Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?
Damn man.That's a great list.oh yeah. here's my lineup:
1. Sex Pistols - "God Save The Queen"
2. Television - "Marquee Moon"
3. Fleetwood Mac - "Gold Dust Woman"
4. Jackson Browne - "Running On Empty"
5. Neil Young - "Long May You Run"
6. Eric Clapton - "Lay Down Sally"
7. Pink Floyd - "Pigs On The Wing (Part 1)"
8. Bob Marley & The Wailers - "Three Little Birds"
9. Little Feat - "Time Loves A Hero"
10. Peter Tosh - "Get Up, Stand Up"
11. Bootsy Collins - "Aaahhh...The Name Is Bootsy, Baby"
12. The Beatles - "A Hard Day's Night" (Live)
Wan't this already taken?Ian Dury & the Blockheads---Sex & Drugs & Rock n' Roll
One of the aforementioned 8-tracks that ur humble UH owned back in the day . . .I'll take a song from the very underrated French Kiss album by ex- Fleetwood Mac member Bob Welch.
Bob Welch- "Sentimental Lady"
Santana has had 137 different lineups.Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.Van Halen? Van Hagar?i need a ruling before we start the band draft:
jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?
and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .
If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:
The Miles Davis Quintet (I)
-------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)
Red Garland (piano)
Paul Chambers (double bass)
Philly Joe Jones (drums)
The Miles Davis Quintet (II)
--------------------------------
Miles Davis (trumpet)
Wayne Shorter (saxophone)
Herbie Hancock (piano)
Ron Carter (bass)
Tony Williams (drums)