Capella
Footballguy
Nfl makes more money than all of them. And it’s a more brutal sport/shorter playing career.
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The AAF and XFL (1 Viewer)
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Doesn't matter, the NFL has far more players and play far less games.
As you can see I;m not alone on this.
https://www.debate.org/opinions/do-nfl-players-make-too-much-money
Capella
Footballguy
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Capella
Footballguy
What does the market have on teachers and the military? How about the CFL, Arena league?
Capella
Footballguy
Sure it does, how did it ever get to where an athlete was considered more valuable than a teacher? How did it ever come to that?
Hopefully you are picking up on what I'm actually talking about. which is how did the NFL let things get this way?
Hell yes these guys make too much $$$$$, not even a debate actually, the thing is how did the NFL let it get like this? Talk about bad business, here it is.
Guy can go work at a real job or go play some football for a mill a year. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Should a guy be making 30 mill .....of course not.
On another site,
Do NFL players make too much money?
62% Say Yes
38% Say No
I do think most people think NFL players make too much money for just 16-20ish games in a 12 month period.
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What you aren't understanding is the NL players aren't doing a job, they a providing a product. Why do the make more than CFL players? Why is a flawless diamond worth more than an industrial diamond? Why is filet worth more than ground chuck?
It's just like musicians, if people like what you produce, you sell millions or people pay to see you.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Ilov80s
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
Yes. Yes he is.ok you either aren’t being serious or you are exceptionally in over your head here. Are you some kind of shark pool troll I don’t know about or something?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would love to see all the NFL players forced to take a 20% paycut so the owners could make more money.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Come on man did ya read me at all?
Did you miss?
"Hopefully you are picking up on what I'm actually talking about. which is how did the NFL let things get this way? "
Nothing can be done now.........ok? I was talking about the owners screwed up by letting the players to be paid all that $$$$$ when they didn't have to. Where is their competition? Where is a guy who wants to play football going to beat NFL $$$$$? Yes, you play the players good $$$$$ just not ridiculous $$$$$.
And they could have had a ceiling by position, they could even take the individual totally out of it. Just pay by job title and time in.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
All of which would have served to just make the owners much wealthier. I am happy seeing the players get as big of a chunk of the pie as possible.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
supply/demand... Only 20-30 people in the world are good enough to sling a football well enough that thousands of people are willing to pay to see them play live and millions more take 3-4 hours our of their day to watch.
An NFL player's athletic prowess produces a part of what is billion dollar business.
A teacher generates no revenue for anyone, and tens of thousands of people are capable of doing their jobs at a similar level.
People always think that people that make significantly more than they do are overpaid.
the same type of poll would read that doctors, dentists and CEO's are overpaid as well.
If you generate profit, you get a percentage of it... if you generate no revenue you're lucky to get paid what you do by the government
What company owner doesn't make FAR FAR more than his employees?
NFL players play 16-20ish games a year. They have months off a year. There are over 70 college football conferences out there, TONS of players, TONS,.
You don't pay a guy 30 million a season. That is beyond crazy, let's get real here. Sure....10mill, everybody making millions a year just not .....20, 25, 30 mill a season, now it's ridiculous,
Every team in the NFL has at least two QB;s, that is 64, and there are 4-6 in college out there every season in waiting. So....20-30....isn't accurate.
I have no problems with good/big $$$$ for pro athletes, just not ridiculous $$$$. Come on.....35 mill for 16-20 games a season? That's crazy..
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
The owners do make FAR FAR more than the players but you are saying it's not enough and they should be making even more.
Players come and go, while owning a team is something totally different, an owner has to concern himself with the future of his franchise. Players don't care,
Pay the players great $$$$$ just don't get silly with it.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The players salaries increasing because the owners are making an increasing amount of money. The owners aren’t hurting from this, quite the opposite.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
For a second, I thought I opened the wrong thread.
It's never about the players salaries increasing, it's about where those salaries are at. They make too much and it's the owners fault.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
there's only 20-30 that are good... and even if the number isn't accurrate.... it's like 100ish people vs. 100k teachers.
It doesn't matter if you or anyone else thinks they are overpaid.
The only way their salaries drop is if everyone stops watching or people stop attending games... that's it.
As long as people watch and advertisers pay... they'll get paid that.
Same with actors, musicians, etc. etc.
Fame pays... look at ####### Kylie Jenner
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Somebody please think of the poor owners that must pay these players at such ridiculous rates.
I saw Bob Irsay eating tuna fish from a can for dinner on Christmas day for god's sake. I blame Andrew Luck.
I saw Bob Irsay eating tuna fish from a can for dinner on Christmas day for god's sake. I blame Andrew Luck.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys for $140 million 30 years ago. The Cowboys are now worth $4.2 billion. Thats 28x return on investment. So your “owners deserve more money” take just sounds ridiculous to me. Add in that 1990 Marino signed the biggest contract ever for $25 million and I think Rodgers is the highest paid now at $103. That’s only an increase of 4x. The owners are doing fine and player contracts aren’t out of control at all.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sorry I’ll let everyone get to discussing a league that lasted 7 weeks. There was so much to say.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
You're right. I'll let you guys get back to wasting time arguing with a hammer that beats the same nail over & over again.
My apologies and enjoy!
I totally agree, but like most people I think NFL players are over paid for 16-20 game seasons.
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Dude, don't play that, ok? This is a very real debate seen everywhere football is talked about.
Be cool, ok?
LAUNCH
Footballguy
The XFL has a better chance to make it than the AAF if they start paying guys out of high school decent money. I am not sure why the AAF didn't do this, but that is the only way it will work. The recruiting services will act as their initial marketing team and get some hype going for their players. It will cause a ripple effect of chatter, because if a guy chooses a XFL contract over a Bama scholarship you are going to be creating a lot of buzz about that player. He may not be popular in Tuscaloosa, but he may make some fans in Clemson and Columbus.
Even if the XFL contracts aren't that high, the ability to sign shoe deals, sell autographs, and have their likenesses on a XFL video game could change college football forever. The game could be a huge seller, if they don't use EA and create competition with Madden. The one thing that may work against it is work conditions. How many games, practices, and ability to unionize could be as important as any of it.
Even if the XFL contracts aren't that high, the ability to sign shoe deals, sell autographs, and have their likenesses on a XFL video game could change college football forever. The game could be a huge seller, if they don't use EA and create competition with Madden. The one thing that may work against it is work conditions. How many games, practices, and ability to unionize could be as important as any of it.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Because the market for the autograph of the starting QB of the Nashville Funions is going to be so in demand.
Besides, no one buys sneakers because a guy plays in the NFL.Quick -- name someone who played in the first XFL besides Tommy Maddox and He Hate Me? You can't; it was bad football and immediately forgettable after the initial hype wore off. The same thing will happen here; you're going to get all this corporate symmetry crap, cross-promotional stuff, and a few people will watch. After the buzz goes away, so will the interest.
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LAUNCH
Footballguy
It may happen, but I imagine that if players like Trevor Lawrence or Tua decided to play when the XFL starts I would be willing to bet you whatever you'd like that people would be lining up to get their autographs, even if it's just for a bag of Funions....I assume Nike is just paying Odell Beckham all that money because they like to hang out with him.Because the market for the autograph of the starting QB of the Nashville Funions is going to be so in demand.
Quick -- name someone who played in the first XFL besides Tommy Maddox and He Hate Me? You can't; it was bad football and immediately forgettable after the initial hype wore off. The same thing will happen here; you're going to get all this corporate symmetry crap, cross-promotional stuff, and a few people will watch. After the buzz goes away, so will the interest.
Ben Huff
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The XFL would almost have to have an endorsement deal (a small one certainly but anything to an 18 year old kid might sound exciting) lined up for the player already. I am sure they could convince one of their corporate sponsors to toss a few bucks to a few kids to endorse some BS for a couple months during the XFL season. The toughest part would be convincing the kids that the league is viable and will have good coaches. I could be wrong but if a kid plays pro for XFL for a season and then the league disbands, that kid can't then play college , right?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You do know most people are pretty dumb, right? Like--the vast majority of people don't understand the finer points of anything they aren't directly interested or invested in. Across the board.
I think most people get this one.
They work 40 hours maybe more a week every week of the year, (couple weeks vacation maybe) making a tiny fraction of what NFL players make. Guys who only work from around Aug to late Dec and only really work one day a week. Yet they are making millions and millions and millions of dollars. Joe Public will have some problems with that.
And a lot of guys like myself remember back before it got totally crazy like that. So it does work for a lot less $$$$$$$$ going to the players.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Huh??LAUNCH said:
This seems like a bad idea for three very obvious reasons:
1. because the vast majority of high school kids are not ready (physically) for the pros. They would get destroyed.
2. the high school kids who ARE ready (physically) are ultimately going to make way more money by showcasing their talents on a major college football program.
3. why would any high school kid risk ruining his career to join the XFL? If the XFL disbands midseason (like the AAF just did), then the kid would have nowhere meaningful to go. He couldn't go play in college, and he couldn't join the NFL for 2 1/2 more years. Without the ability to play and practice in high-level situations, his body and mind would slowly fall out of shape. That's a very high risk for such a modest short term reward.
