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Dr. Parrothead
goonsquad
Think different.
For Apple it's average to see upgrades in their product lines every three to six months. Maybe I'm wrong on the PC side, but I can't imagine Dell waits 18 months to boost processor speed or memory in their products.Been doing the technology scene for a pretty long time and this is news to me. As I said before, generally speaking new technology (which is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the older technology) generally comes out every 18 months and technology devices are depreciated over 3 years. It doesn't really matter to me. I am not interested in continuing down the tangent. Just leave it that I am very impressed with Apple's ability to get people comfortable with forking out $600+ for two pieces of very similar technology in less than a year. Other companies should take note and follow their marketing model.We are talking two different timelines here. Technology is consistently upgraded by manufacturers on three to six month cycles. When you buy a computer gadget you have to know that same gadget will be available faster and/or with more memory for the same price in 3-6 months. But that does not make the first device completely outdated and unuseable.The 18-month timeline is an expected lifespan whereby advancing technology will make the device obsolete or it will fail. That's why computers depreciate over 18-months. At the end of the 1-1/2 years, it is expected that the device will be replaced.The Commish said:Personally, I think you are creating a bit of a strawman here with the timeline you are suggesting. Yes, new products come out frequently, but typically new versions of the same product come out every few years. If I were an AT&T customer, I would have waited for the next gen to come out. I do the same thing with other technology stuff to. That's just me. I waited for the new Directv HD boxes to come out because I knew they were only a few months away and a lot of features. With all that said, I come from a position of necessity when talking about mobile phones. I don't like having to carry them and I don't like the concept of them at all. They annoy the bejesus outta me. They always have. So for me, it's hard to understand forking out $600+ for one over the course of a year. Technology typically cycles in 18 month waves...always has. That's why companies have 3 years to depreciate desktops/laptops etc. I get that some like the new gadgets, but this one seems to be a really wide spread liking, and that is to the credit of Apple. I was a little surprised that they didn't do much to fix their activation process after debacle last time. That's about the onoy surprise for me. I expected more to be sold than last time at a faster pace, but not to the people who just purchased them a few months before.goonsquad said:But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).The Commish said:
What you are missing here is that Apple is fully supporting iPhone 1.0. It is not obsolete. The iPhone software upgrade 2.0 is available for iPhone 1.0 upgrading it's functionality and most of the apps for download in the App Store work for both devices unless they are 3G or GPS specific.
This is from the MacRumors Buyer's Guide; you can see the average update cycle for most products is between 100+ to 250-ish days.
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The Commish
Footballguy
I don't need any more evidence to support the marketing machine....it's a fantastic thing to watch. I've already said that. You are wrong on the PC side. Generally, there is a low end, mid grade and top end machine out for any particular company. They will be out 6-8 months, then the top end becomes middle of the road, low end drops off and mid grade becomes low end. It's not new technology, it's the same technology renamed. Unless of course you consider "speed" to be a determining factor in what is "new". I don't. New technology to me is moving from abc processor and how it works, to xyz processor and how it works. New technology to me is going from Windows 98 to XP, not going from Windows 98 sp1 to Windows 98 sp2. You can upgrade an existing piece of technology, but it doesn't make that upgraded version "upgraded technology"...at least in my mind.For Apple it's average to see upgrades in their product lines every three to six months. Maybe I'm wrong on the PC side, but I can't imagine Dell waits 18 months to boost processor speed or memory in their products.Been doing the technology scene for a pretty long time and this is news to me. As I said before, generally speaking new technology (which is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the older technology) generally comes out every 18 months and technology devices are depreciated over 3 years. It doesn't really matter to me. I am not interested in continuing down the tangent. Just leave it that I am very impressed with Apple's ability to get people comfortable with forking out $600+ for two pieces of very similar technology in less than a year. Other companies should take note and follow their marketing model.We are talking two different timelines here. Technology is consistently upgraded by manufacturers on three to six month cycles. When you buy a computer gadget you have to know that same gadget will be available faster and/or with more memory for the same price in 3-6 months. But that does not make the first device completely outdated and unuseable.The 18-month timeline is an expected lifespan whereby advancing technology will make the device obsolete or it will fail. That's why computers depreciate over 18-months. At the end of the 1-1/2 years, it is expected that the device will be replaced.The Commish said:Personally, I think you are creating a bit of a strawman here with the timeline you are suggesting. Yes, new products come out frequently, but typically new versions of the same product come out every few years. If I were an AT&T customer, I would have waited for the next gen to come out. I do the same thing with other technology stuff to. That's just me. I waited for the new Directv HD boxes to come out because I knew they were only a few months away and a lot of features. With all that said, I come from a position of necessity when talking about mobile phones. I don't like having to carry them and I don't like the concept of them at all. They annoy the bejesus outta me. They always have. So for me, it's hard to understand forking out $600+ for one over the course of a year. Technology typically cycles in 18 month waves...always has. That's why companies have 3 years to depreciate desktops/laptops etc. I get that some like the new gadgets, but this one seems to be a really wide spread liking, and that is to the credit of Apple. I was a little surprised that they didn't do much to fix their activation process after debacle last time. That's about the onoy surprise for me. I expected more to be sold than last time at a faster pace, but not to the people who just purchased them a few months before.goonsquad said:But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).The Commish said:
What you are missing here is that Apple is fully supporting iPhone 1.0. It is not obsolete. The iPhone software upgrade 2.0 is available for iPhone 1.0 upgrading it's functionality and most of the apps for download in the App Store work for both devices unless they are 3G or GPS specific.This is from the MacRumors Buyer's Guide; you can see the average update cycle for most products is between 100+ to 250-ish days.
adonis
Footballguy
Two things:First, the bolded sentence makes my head hurt. I understand it sorta, but it's kinda like splitting hairs a bit. I can see your point though regarding laptops maybe. For instance, I have a MBP and got it about a year ago. They have made upgrades to the parts, faster processors, faster bus speeds, higher capacity hard drives...but the cost, and the incremental improvements don't make me want a new one. That's one example of upgrading the product, without offering a significant upgrade of any other kind. I'm not really interested.
Regarding crediting the marketing machine, is there much credit given to the quality of the product itself? Again, marketing can only do so much. If the product isn't good, the marketing will lose its effect. It's not often that something that's hyped quite a bit (think Vista) that fails to impress when it comes out , would receive anything less than a media and word-of-mouth lambasting.
The hype machine for the iphone 1Gen, and the marketing for it, were both amazing. But there would have been quite a backlash if the product itself did not meet the hype. It did. Most people were impressed, even though it had some flaws (speed a biggie). They just released a new and improved iphone with similar hype, building on what was good in the first, and improving on what was lacking, and their marketing and hype machine brought out more interest. 3-4 days after the product has hit the masses, many, many people seem to be very happy with the product.
Again, this is not just a marketing success story. This is a marketing success story coupled with extremely good products. It may be true that the products aren't offering any features that aren't offered in other phones, or hardware, or anything really that wasn't available before, but the way they have done it, the elegance of the design and the user interface, really makes it a uniquely satisfying product for millions of people.
Vista had hype, it had marketing, but Microsoft didn't have the reputation for putting out quality products, and when Vista came out, the performance didn't match the hype and there was a huge backlash. The lack of backlash (even despite the huge problems on day 1) should be telling about the quality of the product itself.
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Mister Martie
Footballguy
This is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Is this only on the 3G? If not how do you sync?
goonsquad
Think different.
We are talking about the same thing. I have consistently said "upgrades" for the short term cycles. And yes, people get pissed when they buy a machine and a faster one comes out a few months later for the same price. But they shouldn't; that's the business and everyone should know that by now. There may be "new technology" in the iPhone 3G, but in essence it's a speed bump. The phone operates identically to iPhone 1.0 (with the exception of true GPS), and both iPhone models got the OS 2.0 upgrade. That's my point, it's not an entirely new experience that renders the first iPhone obsolete. Outside of browsing speed and GPS, they are the same phone.
A there's more to Apple than a "marketing machine". It's no coincidence that Apple has influenced every market they've gone into. They make great products that people want. To chaulk it all up on marketing is doing Apple's award-winning design team a great disservice. :(
I am actually VERY disappointed the new phone wasn't more... I am itching for a new purchase... but the upgrade isn't compelling enough, not yet.
anyone have a guess to the cycle plan? can we expect a drop of the 8GB model, and an introduction of a 32 ? or something more by xmas? and what's next? form factor changes? colors? i want that chrome trim gone.
really happy i didn't sell my first gen 8GB.. if I had bough a 4, I prolly woulda bought a 16 GB last week...
anyone have a guess to the cycle plan? can we expect a drop of the 8GB model, and an introduction of a 32 ? or something more by xmas? and what's next? form factor changes? colors? i want that chrome trim gone.
really happy i didn't sell my first gen 8GB.. if I had bough a 4, I prolly woulda bought a 16 GB last week...
The Commish
Footballguy
That was my mind going faster than my fingers. Sorry
What I meant to say is one can update technology without being an actual upgrade. If I am being completely honest with you, I must confess I am looking at this with hindsight. I am looking back however many months ago to a product that wasn't really as good as it could have been at that time, at least in my opinion. Something that great does not have an overwhelming replacement in the same year. Of course that's just my opinion. The marketing machine (today) is keeping focus off of that little tidbit. Again, I am not saying it's a bad product. I trust what the general populus is telling me. I do have a problem buying into it being an "extremely good" product though for the reason I listed before. At the time, it might have appeared that way, looking back, not so much. I am also not saying it's just a marketing success story. I am saying I am impressed with how much of the story is around marketing.I personally believe that bringing MS in as an example is a bit of a straw man, UNLESS you want to go back closer to the beginning with them as well. At the very least it's not really comparing apples to apples (no pun intended). They had a similar string of products in their software line that were touted as the best of the best. They got greedy and product quality slipped and has continued to do so. Their image is now one of bugs and issues. That's not how it used to be.
The Commish
Footballguy
You aren't listening to me or I am not saying it correctly. I am not saying it's just marketing. No offense, but I am done here.We are talking about the same thing. I have consistently said "upgrades" for the short term cycles. And yes, people get pissed when they buy a machine and a faster one comes out a few months later for the same price. But they shouldn't; that's the business and everyone should know that by now. There may be "new technology" in the iPhone 3G, but in essence it's a speed bump. The phone operates identically to iPhone 1.0 (with the exception of true GPS), and both iPhone models got the OS 2.0 upgrade. That's my point, it's not an entirely new experience that renders the first iPhone obsolete. Outside of browsing speed and GPS, they are the same phone.
A there's more to Apple than a "marketing machine". It's no coincidence that Apple has influenced every market they've gone into. They make great products that people want. To chaulk it all up on marketing is doing Apple's award-winning design team a great disservice.
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boots11234
Footballguy
Been reading that people having problems with 3G conx/speed. Anyone here having those problems?
adonis
Footballguy
Highly area dependent. My area, surprisingly, has wonderful 3G/AT&T coverage. But, from what I hear, that may be an exception. But the unhappy cry more than the happy, so it's hard to say with any real certainty whether this is typical, or just bad spots in an otherwise good coverage area.
goonsquad
Think different.
Fair enough. No offense taken.You aren't listening to me or I am not saying it correctly. I am not saying it's just marketing. No offense, but I am done here.We are talking about the same thing. I have consistently said "upgrades" for the short term cycles. And yes, people get pissed when they buy a machine and a faster one comes out a few months later for the same price. But they shouldn't; that's the business and everyone should know that by now. There may be "new technology" in the iPhone 3G, but in essence it's a speed bump. The phone operates identically to iPhone 1.0 (with the exception of true GPS), and both iPhone models got the OS 2.0 upgrade. That's my point, it's not an entirely new experience that renders the first iPhone obsolete. Outside of browsing speed and GPS, they are the same phone.
A there's more to Apple than a "marketing machine". It's no coincidence that Apple has influenced every market they've gone into. They make great products that people want. To chaulk it all up on marketing is doing Apple's award-winning design team a great disservice.
adonis
Footballguy
I guess we can disagree on how much of the hype you believe to be due to marketing, or I believe is due to a history of putting out great products, but what I think we can both agree on is how the marketing is done is amazing in its efficacy.I'm not sure how closely you paid attention before the first iphone release, but up until Jobs announced the iphone in January of '07 (i believe), nothing was known about it. There was speculation from time to time, but no leaks, no stories outlining the product before Jobs outlined it in his "and one more thing" style.He presented a phone that got everyone excited, and he did this using very little marketing. They locked up Apple-ship tight, no leaks. Leaks found, were prosecuted and taken down off of leak websites. Hush Hush until presentation day, when Jobs unveils it to the world to "oohs" and "aahs".Then, the ship locked up again. No additional details were released until the next time the company came forward. The marketing frenzy was really done by the media, interested in the latest and greatest from apple, from the apple groupies, and their websites. It's kinda like all the other companies are prostitutes, walking around without clothes on all the time, so that when they're ready to release a product, everyone knows all about it. But Apple is one of those companies that is dressed modestly almost 99% of the time, but when it flashes the public, the public is hungry for it. Bad analogy (sort of), i know.But that's what locking up information like this, at a company known for quality products, does. It creates an appetite. The appetite would quickly be quenched if when the product was released, it didn't live up to a lot of the hype, but each time, the products released have come close enough to the hype, to the hunger, to satisfy the ravenous fans.I think we can both, or all of us, sit back and marvel at this strategy. Few other companies could put out so little on an upcoming product, yet yield so many stories about it, so much conversation, and so much anticipation.Details of the 3G iphone were little known until June 9th at WWDC (or whenever it was) but the speculation was rampant up to that point. Article after article, people talking to people, dreaming about what Apple could provide, and then what they give us isn't all what we could hope for, but it's "good enough" to satisfy that hunger. And now that it's released, and we have it in our hands, it certainly satisfies us, but leaves us wanting more. Copy/Paste, better applications, longer battery life, instant messaging, bluetooth in stereo, bluetooth syncing, and much more. So, apple will close up the trenchcoat for another few months, button up, and we will only be able to speculate at what we'll see next time they show us the goods. But based on past performance, we can safely bet that it will satisfy our hunger. There's certainly something to be said for building up hunger (disproportionately, maybe is your point) over certain features, and how Apple does that is amazing...although I'm not sure I'd call it marketing...might be though.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'm hoping for a better version by Jan or Feb so I can upgrade from v1 to v3. Odd numbers rule.
FrostBite
Footballguy
Does this make any sense to anyone?
My boss agreed that our department (IT Dept) could upgrade to a data plan and buy the BlackJack II for $100. I asked if I could throw in $100 of my own money to upgrade to an iPhone and was denied.
He doesn't want everyone "running around with iPhones." He doesn't think it's the right "image" for our department.
What image is that??? That we are up to date with technology? Boggles my mind...
My boss agreed that our department (IT Dept) could upgrade to a data plan and buy the BlackJack II for $100. I asked if I could throw in $100 of my own money to upgrade to an iPhone and was denied.
He doesn't want everyone "running around with iPhones." He doesn't think it's the right "image" for our department.
What image is that??? That we are up to date with technology? Boggles my mind...
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Corporate Speak: "I dont want everyone running around with iPhone, its not the right image for our company"Translation: "It costs us more to support both Windows Mobile and iPhone OS. Now quit being a pain in the ### and go back to making me rich"Does this make any sense to anyone?My boss agreed that our department (IT Dept) could upgrade to a data plan and buy the BlackJack II for $100. I asked if I could throw in $100 of my own money to upgrade to an iPhone and was denied.He doesn't want everyone "running around with iPhones." He doesn't think it's the right "image" for our department.What image is that??? That we are up to date with technology? Boggles my mind...
32GB should be out by years end.
mikeatmarvel
Footballguy
I wanted to throw out there to all of you, I am building a sports enthusiast application that tracks fantasy teams and favorite athletes for the iPhone (original and 3G). It is called Fandora's Box: http://www.fandorasbox.com
My b-partner (http://www.marvelapps.com) and I are a huge sport fans. We have wanted to build an application for mobile devices and out comes the iPhone providing the right medium; so we became official iPhone developers.
What are your thoughts on fandorasbox.com? We love to hear your feedback and incorporate anything that will give everyone a better product. Sign up at marvelapps.com and let us know what you think.
Our app is in development, as we do this from 9pm to 3am everyday, after our primary job. We are planning to release our app the first week of August 2008. Just in time for Fantasy Football season.
My b-partner (http://www.marvelapps.com) and I are a huge sport fans. We have wanted to build an application for mobile devices and out comes the iPhone providing the right medium; so we became official iPhone developers.
What are your thoughts on fandorasbox.com? We love to hear your feedback and incorporate anything that will give everyone a better product. Sign up at marvelapps.com and let us know what you think.
Our app is in development, as we do this from 9pm to 3am everyday, after our primary job. We are planning to release our app the first week of August 2008. Just in time for Fantasy Football season.
adonis
Footballguy
Will it be free?
Harry Manback
Footballguy
But does it work with the 3G?
Alias
Footballguy
This is the phone I was trying to find back when I originally replied:Sony Xperia X1
Physical Features
miniUSB v2.0 x 1
FM radio with RDS
Processor
Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor
Display
TFT touchscreen, 65K colors
800 x 480 pixels, 3 inches
- Full QWERTY keyboard
- Optical joystick navigation
Memory
256MB RAM, 512MB storage memory
microSD (TransFlash)
400 MB internal memory
Camera
3.15 MP, 2048x1536 pixels, autofocus, video(VGA@30fps), flash; secondary videocall camera
Browser
WAP 2.0/HTML (IE), RSS feeds
Operating System
Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
Size
158 g
110.5 x 52.6 x 17 mm
Ringtones
Polyphonic, MP3
Vibration
Communications
802.11b/g
Bluetooth v2.0 with A2DP
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
Messaging
SMS, MMS, Email, Push E-Mail, IM
Battery
Li-Po 1500 mAh
Colors
Solid Black
Steel Silver
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
ho...leee...shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhwe have a winner. well, as long as SE has learned their lessons and actually makes it perform as well as it specs out.
release date?
Never mind, looks like its a Mid Sept launch according to the rumor mills
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goonsquad
Think different.
Speculation is the X1 will retail for $1000.
Fennis
Footballguy
Sounds like they will have to find a partner to subsidize the price with an overpriced data plan.Speculation is the X1 will retail for $1000.
Yu Fring Puandpi
Footballguy
goodness gracious. eat it apple fanboys,EDIT: Nokia Tube looks like another solid competitor. Less flashy but pretty affordable (so they claim) and hosts the Symbian OS which is real nice.
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Alias
Footballguy
yeah it is pretty sweet, here is some video on it in action:http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/video-s...anel-interface/
Battery
A Lithium-Polymer, 1500 mAh batttery is included in the Xperia. This battery is one of the largest batteries ever provided in any Sony Ericsson phone, and boasts from 833 hours of stand-by time, to 6 and a half hours of talk time.
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BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
yikes. i'm in contract for another 17 months too. Thanks to an ATT rep that lied to me about switching from TMobile last NovemberSpeculation is the X1 will retail for $1000.
Anyway, i'm sure the iPhone v3 will be solid as well...i'm just not quite ready to jump on that bandwagon yet. I need that hard keyboard
valence
Footballguy
I Really love the phone so far but there are a couple issues I have with it
1. with all the technology in this thing,how come I still can't send a picture text message? That really blows my mind.
2. What's the deal with no flash support? YouTube vdeos are flash based aren't they? Why can't I view flag videos and other flash based sites?
3. The camera isn't very good
Other than those things the phone is pretty much perfect
1. with all the technology in this thing,how come I still can't send a picture text message? That really blows my mind.
2. What's the deal with no flash support? YouTube vdeos are flash based aren't they? Why can't I view flag videos and other flash based sites?
3. The camera isn't very good
Other than those things the phone is pretty much perfect
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
That pisses my wife off to no end. It's pretty much the reason we didn't get new ones. Complete whiff by Apple on that.
Replace #3 with no copy/paste function, and you've pretty much got my laundry list of iPhone gripes. Receiving a multimedia text is extremely kludgy, too. I can't in good conscience complain about the camera since it's a better camera than I am a photographer. 
I am with you on the picture messages. It's especially ridiculous since I am paying $15 a month for texting. At that rate picture messaging would probably be an aditional $30 a month.
btw, I have the old Iphone that I got about 3 months ago, and it's acting a little sluggish. Has anyone else noticed any changes on their old phone? I assume all the Apps are doing it.
adonis
Footballguy
1. Yeah, dunno what that's all about, maybe apple moving people towards using email instead of MMS, but who knows. Lots of people want this - i'm not one of them though. Email is free, works great, but I could see how some people prefer MMS which would be instant. If everyone had iphones though, sending pictures in email to phones would be instant toovalence said:
.2. Youtube videos aren't flash based. They're flash based when they're embedded in webpages, but the raw file itself isn't flash format. It's some newer format I think, that they updated to that produced smaller files and when played reduced battery consumption. I forget the format though, some odd name.3. True.
goonsquad
Think different.
No. YouTube switched their catalog over to H.264 video last year. That's why the iPhone and AppleTV can play them.As for Flash, Adobe seems to be dragging their feet on it. There's been lots of rumors but nothing of substance. Steve Jobs has been publicly critical of Abode not getting a full version of Flash going for iPhone.valence said:
goonsquad
Think different.
It's H.264, which is the newest open standard MPEG-4 codec. Apple has built QuickTime 7 around it which is why the iPhones and AppleTV can play them.1. Yeah, dunno what that's all about, maybe apple moving people towards using email instead of MMS, but who knows. Lots of people want this - i'm not one of them though. Email is free, works great, but I could see how some people prefer MMS which would be instant. If everyone had iphones though, sending pictures in email to phones would be instant toovalence said:
3. True.
Fennis
Footballguy
I believe Flash will eventually be available on the iphone. It wasnt made any easier when Steve Jobs said, in March of this year, that Flash isn't suitable for the iPhone. Adobe has indicated they are more than willing to work with Apple on Flash for the iphone.
adonis
Footballguy
I did read an article recently saying that adobe made a new version of flash that had a much lower overhead and ran much quicker and cleaner. Maybe that's destined for the iphone?
DanFouts
Footballguy
Mobileme is the new .mac site for email, calendar, etc....
www.me.com
Problem is it only supports Safari and Firefox....this is ridiculous!
A lot of is corporate users only have IE 6 at work, and can't change browsers....poor decision by Apple. Hope they fix it!
From Apple site...
For your PC: Safari 3, Mozilla Firefox 2 or 3, or Microsoft Internet Explorer 7. Note: Internet Explorer 7 is not fully supported. Internet Explorer 7 has known compatibility issues with modern web standards that affect web 2.0 applications, such as MobileMe. You can use Internet Explorer 7, but you will not have access to all MobileMe features and will experience slower performance.
www.me.com
Problem is it only supports Safari and Firefox....this is ridiculous!
A lot of is corporate users only have IE 6 at work, and can't change browsers....poor decision by Apple. Hope they fix it!
From Apple site...
For your PC: Safari 3, Mozilla Firefox 2 or 3, or Microsoft Internet Explorer 7. Note: Internet Explorer 7 is not fully supported. Internet Explorer 7 has known compatibility issues with modern web standards that affect web 2.0 applications, such as MobileMe. You can use Internet Explorer 7, but you will not have access to all MobileMe features and will experience slower performance.
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valence
Footballguy
ah. thanks for clearing up the flash issue for me1. Yeah, dunno what that's all about, maybe apple moving people towards using email instead of MMS, but who knows. Lots of people want this - i'm not one of them though. Email is free, works great, but I could see how some people prefer MMS which would be instant. If everyone had iphones though, sending pictures in email to phones would be instant toovalence said:.2. Youtube videos aren't flash based. They're flash based when they're embedded in webpages, but the raw file itself isn't flash format. It's some newer format I think, that they updated to that produced smaller files and when played reduced battery consumption. I forget the format though, some odd name.3. True.
crazy diamond
Footballguy
evidently i just turned my phone into a brick updating to 2.0. lovely.
adonis
Footballguy
Is it just waiting to be activated or what? Why do call it a brick?I ask, because a lot of people were saying their iphone was a brick on Friday, when they bought it but were unable to activate it. Bricked iphones are something entirely different. Odds are though, at this point, if you can't activate it, its' not a good sign and may truly be bricked.There are quite a few people who have that issue, and I bet if you searched around some, you might be able to find a fix for it.
No. 16
Footballguy
This is what I need.The one drawback of the iPHONE is the lack of a qwerty keyboard. Texting on a touch screen is just a pain in the behind.
Until then my Blackjack II will serve me well with an 8GB micro SDHC.
crazy diamond
Footballguy
i went home at lunch and did the update. it didn't finish in the hour that i was home. so i remoted into my pc at home and it said something about a failure. now itunes doesn't recognize that there's an iphone even connected.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I know a couple of people who "jacked" their phones (or whatever the term is, can't remember right now. Edit - jailbreak. Just remembered. ) and now their phone is useless. This is unrelated to the server issue from Friday. I believe that if you are trying to update a V1 phone to V2 and it's failing, you may have done something to your phone outside the service agreement.
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adonis
Footballguy
Ouch. have you tried searching other iphone forums for help on how to fix it?
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