The Apple iPhone Thread (2 Viewers)

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Available in Fall.... Free of charge.

Public Beta this Summer (sign up online).

On to iOS.... 200MM iPads.....500MM iPhones sold

130MM New iOS customers in last 12 months who were buying their first Apple Device. Interesting but likely heavily Chinese.

iOS 7 adoption = 90% (Stab at Android's fragmentation and 10% adoption rate of Kit Kat).

Interactive Notifications (reply/accept/etc).

 

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Presentation conspicuously not showing whole iPHone.... just a heavily cropped view of the screen

Quicktype looks pretty interesting....

OH THANK GOD: Group Messaging allows thread naming, add/remove people, leave threads, tap to talk for sending voice clips....etc.

Great multimedia (video/audio) in iMessage.... plus preset to self destruct to save space (can opt to keep).

Ability to view list of all attachments (easy to locate older images from long threads).

Some pretty serious enterprise additions...

Healthkit for centralized health data profile that allows you to dole out access to compiled metrics to apps as you see fit. Also will track urgent situations and interact, in both directions, with healthcare providers.

Family Sharing of all media, app, etc for up to 6 devices within the family. Also instant prompts parents devices to authorize when kids try to make purchases.

Enhanced Photo application with full sharing of images across all devices, plus some pretty sweet intelligent photo editing/enhancement features.

New iCloud Tiers: 5GB free....20GB for $.99/mo or 200GB for 2.99/mo (or was it 3.99?) (with tiers up to 1TB)

 

[tommyGunZ]

Ugh....Health kit and health app extremely underwhelming.

 

[Brony]

Before having an Android phone, I thought there was lot of hyperbole in the "Android was doing this first" comments. Turns out, not so much.

 

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Before having an Android phone, I thought there was lot of hyperbole in the "Android was doing this first" comments. Turns out, not so much.

There is not doubt that there is a lot of back and forth between iOS and Android... moreso of iOS following android. There is no denying that. You could pretty easily make an argument that Apple may take a little longer with some stuff but generally has a higher success/satisfaction rate with developments.

Speaking of... looks like a swipe knockoff has been added.

 

[metoo]

Before having an Android phone, I thought there was lot of hyperbole in the "Android was doing this first" comments. Turns out, not so much.

Yep. I have an iPhone for work and I don't use it.

 

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Ugh....Health kit and health app extremely underwhelming.

Out of curiousity, what additional functionality you were realistically hoping for?

TouchID, Camera API's available for 3rd party apps

HealthKit accompanied by HomeKit for home automation. Worked with leading manufacturers to create common standard for cross platform control of all home automation devices. Siri integration included.

CloudKit for developers

"Metal" for streamlined 3D rendering overhead to optimize 3D performances for gaming and otherwise. Console level graphics on iOS devices. Increases draw call / rendering rates 10x

 

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iOS 7 adoption = 90% (Stab at Android's fragmentation and 10% adoption rate of Kit Kat).

Apples and oranges really. Android is meant to be a diverse ecosystem. There are millions of low cost Android devices that still run Gingerbread (over 3yrs old) - on purpose. Apple focuses on high-end flagship type products whose goal is to get people to continually go latest/greatest and pay a premium.

 

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iOS 7 adoption = 90% (Stab at Android's fragmentation and 10% adoption rate of Kit Kat).

Apples and oranges really. Android is meant to be a diverse ecosystem. There are millions of low cost Android devices that still run Gingerbread (over 3yrs old) - on purpose. Apple focuses on high-end flagship type products whose goal is to get people to continually go latest/greatest and pay a premium.

To a degree you're right, but there are an awful lot of 3GS and simliar devices out there. Anyone pretending the fragmentation of Android isn't a concern is kidding themselves.

 

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New programming language (swift) for quicker, efficient and powerful app development.

 

[Quez]

iOS 7 adoption = 90% (Stab at Android's fragmentation and 10% adoption rate of Kit Kat).

Apples and oranges really. Android is meant to be a diverse ecosystem. There are millions of low cost Android devices that still run Gingerbread (over 3yrs old) - on purpose. Apple focuses on high-end flagship type products whose goal is to get people to continually go latest/greatest and pay a premium.

To a degree you're right, but there are an awful lot of 3GS and simliar devices out there. Anyone pretending the fragmentation of Android isn't a concern is kidding themselves.

There is a reason for fragmentation. It makes your device suk when you are trying to shove new software onto hardware that can't handle it. The reason this isn't as big if an issue for Apple is because they are just now coming out with things like widgets that use a lot of resources.

 

[Quez]

It looks like they brought their cloud storage pricing in line with Google, but skipped the more attractive pricing tier imo.

Google Drive is $1.99 for 100gb

Apple is $3.99 for 200 gb

 

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One good thing to look at here is that between the iCloud, TouchID, HomeKit, Camera etc API extensions, Apple is definitely opening up a lot more access to the phone's core features to developers. Something that, if done CORRECTLY, can only be a good thing.

 

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One good thing to look at here is that between the iCloud, TouchID, HomeKit, Camera etc API extensions, Apple is definitely opening up a lot more access to the phone's core features to developers. Something that, if done CORRECTLY, can only be a good thing.

Not watching the keynote but that is a big deal if there's substance to it. There's a lot of things you can't do as an iOS app developer.

 

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One good thing to look at here is that between the iCloud, TouchID, HomeKit, Camera etc API extensions, Apple is definitely opening up a lot more access to the phone's core features to developers. Something that, if done CORRECTLY, can only be a good thing.

Not watching the keynote but that is a big deal if there's substance to it. There's a lot of things you can't do as an iOS app developer.

Yep. a lot of the vitrol by the fandroid crew comes from apple's lack of releasing much control of the device. IMO this sandboxing is a lot of the reason why the iOS platform has been far less susceptible to malware. That said, I have to think there's room for a middle ground. Open up the features of the device a bit while still keeping things relatively secure. Apple still lags well behind Android with regards to the ability of developers to gain full control of the device... but I'm not sure, personally, that's entirely a good thing.

Will be interesting.

 

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One good thing to look at here is that between the iCloud, TouchID, HomeKit, Camera etc API extensions, Apple is definitely opening up a lot more access to the phone's core features to developers. Something that, if done CORRECTLY, can only be a good thing.

Not watching the keynote but that is a big deal if there's substance to it. There's a lot of things you can't do as an iOS app developer.

Yep. a lot of the vitrol by the fandroid crew comes from apple's lack of releasing much control of the device. IMO this sandboxing is a lot of the reason why the iOS platform has been far less susceptible to malware. That said, I have to think there's room for a middle ground. Open up the features of the device a bit while still keeping things relatively secure. Apple still lags well behind Android with regards to the ability of developers to gain full control of the device... but I'm not sure, personally, that's entirely a good thing.

Will be interesting.

My company makes mobile apps and we can't do much on iOS. It's great for stuff that's really over the top - things that any programmer can do - but if you want to do something more involved that enhances what the OS does or requires a specialized client/server solution you need more. I've got an iOS guy at WWDC so I'll find out how much of that is for real when he gets back.

 

[tommyGunZ]

One good thing to look at here is that between the iCloud, TouchID, HomeKit, Camera etc API extensions, Apple is definitely opening up a lot more access to the phone's core features to developers. Something that, if done CORRECTLY, can only be a good thing.

Not watching the keynote but that is a big deal if there's substance to it. There's a lot of things you can't do as an iOS app developer.

Yeah, this was far and away the biggest takeaway from the keynote IMO. Otherwise, disappointing. No mentions of new hardware. Health book talk was very vague; looks very similar to passport, which has been a major disappointment this far.

 

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Ugh....Health kit and health app extremely underwhelming.

Out of curiosity, what additional functionality you were realistically hoping for?

Bump.

The centralized storing of data and controlled sharing is pretty nice.

The fact that they've already negotiated two way sharing of data with a ton of networks is pretty nice.

they're definitely going to lean on 3rd party developers to flesh out the system via APIs, but the core system is actually pretty slick. I was not expecting the 2 way communication with health networks/doctors.

 

[Quez]

It is gonna be a battle in the marketplace for home automation customers. Google's acquisition of Nest was a nice move, but I am sure Apple TV has way more users than any comparable Google option. Once one of these companies get their foot in the door it is much more likely the customer will enter the entire ecosystem.

The health arena is a space that I think Apple easily has the upper hand in. None of these features look like must haves for me, but I could see them gaining traction. We already know Apple products are being used in hospitals, so these new features will even further help them cement their standing. Another positive of Apple holding onto this market share is that most medical professionals probably fall into their target customer base for things like home automation.

We all know how great Android & Apple ecosystems can be, and how inconvenient it can be if you are in the middle of both. Imagine in a few years when all of your appliances, thermostats, home security, etc are on one or the other.

 

[culdeus]

Health stuff is pretty underwhelming. I bet there are already 3rd party apps which dominate this.

Without a wearable to pair with it it won't gain any traction over people already using fitbit/mfp/etc.

Both Apple and Samsung are racing to get blood glucose IRspec systems to wearables. Looks like samsung will roll pulse ox first and real time HRM. That's a big step.

I'm also curious to see if Apple could get Polar to sign on. Polar has always resisted Ios integration and it hasn't hurt them at all.

 

[culdeus]

If this opening of the APIs gives way to more widgets and transformation of the wall of icons then that's a major step forward. The keynote didn't necessarily indicate that would be the case.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Ugh....Health kit and health app extremely underwhelming.

Out of curiosity, what additional functionality you were realistically hoping for?

Bump.

The centralized storing of data and controlled sharing is pretty nice.

The fact that they've already negotiated two way sharing of data with a ton of networks is pretty nice.

they're definitely going to lean on 3rd party developers to flesh out the system via APIs, but the core system is actually pretty slick. I was not expecting the 2 way communication with health networks/doctors.

More than passport for health apps. Seems like this is much further away than I had hoped.

 

[Quez]

I wonder if these appliance makers that Apple said they have signed on for Home Automatuon will make their products for both Android & Apple.

 

[culdeus]

I wonder if these appliance makers that Apple said they have signed on for Home Automatuon will make their products for both Android & Apple.

most all of these things are catching an ip address and setting themselves up as a server of some sort and then they phone home.

From there you can connect to the home server through either os.

There are already tons and tons of products coming onto or are already on the market that are going to operate just like that.

The idea that your phone beams some command directly to your light switch with no middle man is not exactly how these things work. There is alot of overhead.

 

[Quez]

I read something about Apple unveiling an iBeam technology that is basically a better NFC. I don't think NFC ever took off due to the fact Apple wasn't behind it

 

[Maelstrom]

https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gappssync

Two issues with that. First, I believe you have to pay for the service to be able to continuously sync the calender. Second, to even get it up and running, you need to create a new outlook profile (thus I would essentially be starting from scratch).I may just need to start using Gmail instead of Outlook.

Gmail is a mail protocol.

Outlook is a mail client.

You can use both and should be able to without issue.

A bit late to the party here but that is not even remotely close to accurate. Gmail is an email service that can use the mail protocols (IMAP, SMTP, POP3 and MAPI(MS Exchange only))

I admittedly oversimplified. Gmail is not a freestanding mail client like outlook is. If you have gmail you can configure it to sync in a variety of ways. The point was that thinking gmail OR outlook could be used was inaccurate.

Like others have say, this is not remotely accurate. GMail is an email service that you can access via a number of different software applications, some which run in the browser (Gmail.com) and others which run as applications on your phone, computer, etc. You can even access your GMail mail through Outlook, using one of the STANDARD email protocols. But GMail is absolutely NOT a protocol. Hawks64 did a good job listing the various email protocols, of which, just to be extremely clear, GMail is not one.

Anyways, I don't want to continue this any further, but wanted to make sure a clear answer was given.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

How does the health app measure all those things?

 

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How does the health app measure all those things?

It doesn't. It integrates with devices that do.

 

[Billy Bats]

Has anyone downloaded an ios8 beta?

 

[zDragon]

If this opening of the APIs gives way to more widgets and transformation of the wall of icons then that's a major step forward. The keynote didn't necessarily indicate that would be the case.

I thought they said widgets were only for the notification center

 

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Has anyone downloaded an ios8 beta?

Not yet. Available?

 

[culdeus]

If this opening of the APIs gives way to more widgets and transformation of the wall of icons then that's a major step forward. The keynote didn't necessarily indicate that would be the case.

I thought they said widgets were only for the notification center

Sadly, yes, looks like this is the case here.

What is interesting is most of the updates on 8 are coming from android. IOS7 didn't borrow much from android, those updates were nearly exclusively Cydia tweaks and a skin refresh.

 

[Billy Bats]

Has anyone downloaded an ios8 beta?

Not yet. Available?

http://ios8betatest.com

 

[CrossEyed]

How does the health app measure all those things?

Magic. It's Apple, remember?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

How does the health app measure all those things?

Magic. It's Apple, remember?

welcome back

 

[culdeus]

How does the health app measure all those things?

It doesn't. It integrates with devices that do.

I'm going to assume they will launch a wearable in late 14.

 

[Mr. Ected]

How does the health app measure all those things?

It doesn't. It integrates with devices that do.

I'm going to assume they will launch a wearable in late 14.

iWatch!

The iWatch may be able to track health-related metrics like steps taken, calories burned, sleep quality, heart rate, and more. Apple is said to be aiming to make the health-tracking experience more accessible to the general public, so it remains to be seen how complex the included sensors will be.

 

[culdeus]

Doing HR in a small form factor is going to be quite a trick.

They will need to do something to surpass some of the ones already on the market like the mio.

Other rumors have them looking at PulseOx and Blood Glucose. Pulse ox would be a nifty thing to have for sleep dep as well as for other reasons.

 

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Check out the Wello. I would imagine that these sensors will ultimately be the types of things that become directly integrated into the hardware at some point.

 

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Check out the Wello. I would imagine that these sensors will ultimately be the types of things that become directly integrated into the hardware at some point.

Exactly

Wearable sensor for ongoing monitoring is in the works I'm sure... knowing apple it will be something most people will wear (watch or ring) vs a chest strap thing or something un natural. Watch/band makes the most sense given the other ways it can integrate with the phone.

I don't anticipate them going in the same direction as others (trying to be a miniaturized phone screen), and go for something simpler. OLED display would seem to make sense given flexibility and power consumption.

Battery will be a concern (hence why I see apple going for less display and more functionality).... I'm guessing they'd target a week of normal use without recharging.

I'd imagine there would be a finger sensor spot on the band you could place your fingertip for Pulse OX readings, perhaps other functions. The more streamlined, the better.

 

[Mr. Ected]

Check out the Wello. I would imagine that these sensors will ultimately be the types of things that become directly integrated into the hardware at some point.

Exactly

Wearable sensor for ongoing monitoring is in the works I'm sure... knowing apple it will be something most people will wear (watch or ring) vs a chest strap thing or something un natural. Watch/band makes the most sense given the other ways it can integrate with the phone.

I don't anticipate them going in the same direction as others (trying to be a miniaturized phone screen), and go for something simpler. OLED display would seem to make sense given flexibility and power consumption.

Battery will be a concern (hence why I see apple going for less display and more functionality).... I'm guessing they'd target a week of normal use without recharging.

I'd imagine there would be a finger sensor spot on the band you could place your fingertip for Pulse OX readings, perhaps other functions. The more streamlined, the better.

I like the idea of some sort of screen, so that you can see a text or who is calling without digging for your phone. Would like to be able to walk around my house w/o the phone and still see when a neighbor texts to send kids home, etc

 

[Billy Bats]

Don't bother with the ios8 beta, extremely buggy and some things didn't even work, moreso than ios7 was last year. Downgrading back to 7.1.1 now.

 

[BigJohn]

Got my 4S replaced a few weeks ago because the data port went bad. So, this phone is about 3 weeks old and now the wifi won't come on. Reset everything, No luck. Trying to leave for Boston Thursday morning. GD it....

 

[Mario Kart]

http://news.yahoo.com/5-5-inch-iphone-6-look-next-iphone-134554525.html

If true, who is going to buy the 5.5" one? Yuck!

 

[jhib]

http://news.yahoo.com/5-5-inch-iphone-6-look-next-iphone-134554525.html

If true, who is going to buy the 5.5" one? Yuck!

My guess is a whole ton of people who said that the Samsung phones were too big.

 

[Bull Dozier]

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[Johnny Rock]

I saw the comparison video with the S3, 4”, 4.7" and 5.5”. Pretty well done vid.

Don't forget it's still speculation. I remember reading that the larger phone would be shaped on the edge differently (not necessarily curved glass) to allow single hand operation.

 

[Don Quixote]

Anyone ever have the power/sleep button get stuck and not work? Based on some googling, it looks like I'm screwed outside some complicated DIY repair possibility. That about right? It's a 4S.

 

[Abraham]

Yes, I had that happen but my phone was still under warranty.

Wal Mart dropping prices of 5S ($99) and 5C ($29) starting tomorrow.

 

[Don Quixote]

Anyone ever have the power/sleep button get stuck and not work? Based on some googling, it looks like I'm screwed outside some complicated DIY repair possibility. That about right? It's a 4S.

Yup. Mines a 5 and it's broken. Took it in and it's a 2 week repair. I'd also have to spend 40 minutes filling out paperwork for a loaner phone. I'll deal with it until September.

That's what I was afraid of. I'm just outside 2 years on mine. Might be time for a new phone.