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I've spent maybe an hour or so playing with it. It's an extremely impressive phone. The touch screen is awesome, and is a great leap forward. I'm not ready to buy out my Verizon contract and pay $700 for the iPhone, but I'm in absolute agreement that it's the hottest phone out there.But describing the activation process as "SO amazing" is ridiculous. You're drunk off the kool aid bro. There is nothing "amazing" about the activation process.adonis said:
No it cannot. This is a network/radio issue. The iPhone runs on the EDGE network of AT&T. Using Voice + Data at the same time requires a more advanced, higher speed 3G network such as HSDPA. AT&T has rolled out HSDPA in some major markets, but Apple decided to only go with EDGE in the first version of the iPhone. When Apple releases a future version of the iPhone that has a 3G radio, you will be able to make calls and transfer data at the same time. This is one of the gripes I have with Apple. I don't understand why they didn't make it a 3G device. The only downside is battery life. 3G uses more power. But you could always default back to EDGE if you didn't need to use the 3G. It would just be nice to have it available with much faster download speeds and voice + data simultaneously.
I'll agree that "Apple-approved" websites is a bit overkill, but I just meant websites which use content which apple has decided to either support or not support in the iphone, based on their own considerations (stability, power-management, etc). Although safari on the pc loads them just fine. Might have to look into that more.I don't think of Apple as big brother and I think that the primary reason iPhone doesn't support the sites I refer to is because they use Flash and/or Java.But I highly disagree with your repeated use of "Apple-approved" websites. You make it sound like Apple is intentionally censoring the web, which feeds into the "Apple as big-brother" stigma that is unfairly promoted due to Apple's closed hardware/software system and a general misunderstanding of how the iPod and iTunes works. I highly doubt Apple is cataloging the internet and deciding which websites they will allow you to go to, as you make it sound. As you stated, it is most likely that A) Safari is not compatible with some sites due to their use of proprietary technology or just lack of testing for Mac, and B) iPhone doesn't support Flash and Java. I'm assuming the sites you are referring to are failing due to one of the above issues.Great reviews, though! Enjoy your iPhone!
Edit: I thought you could use wifi and the phone at the same time but it won't allow it. Even if you have wifi connection, talking on phone and surfing doesn't work apparently.
Recently our Unit switched from Nextel to Verizon and kept all the same numbers, you think that 24hrs is bad? It took them a 4 days and we are a responding unit that needs to be out the door within an hour at anytime. That meant that for 4 days if you didn't have a personal cell (many don't because we have the unit cell) that you were to stay home and be reachable.Joe Bryant said:Thought about this for a minute. One's words above I think sum up pretty much exactly what I'm talking about here.Joe Bryant said:This whole iphone thing has been worth it just for stuff like this.
He is thrilled and amazed about the process of activating his phone.
Think about that.
I've had probably a half dozen cell phones over the years. The set up and activation process for every one of them has been:
"Thank you Mr. Bryant. Here is your phone all set up and activated."
It's the same way for all of you.
But apple is so much the jack daddy, that they can push this process (which obviously is not totally smooth for some) to the end user. And not just that, they can push it to the end user AND the end user will rave about it.
I
to Apple for that kind of control.
I can see Jobs and Bill Gates playing backgammon last year.
Apple is reaching heights here few companies have ever seen. I love watching it.J
24 hours, hah I spit at 24 hours.
Contacts goes pretty detailed, although I'm not sure how detailed you're asking. In outlook I had the following details for one of my friends and Itunes put it on the contacts in my iphone, along with marking the birthday on the iphone calendar:Work #Pager #Mobile #Home #Other1 #Other2 #email:work address:home address:birthday:Tasks can't be synced, AFAIK, to the iphone via itunes. Don't see any task feature on the iphone. Might be able to use "notes" or calendar for this,
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Any sites in particular that won't work with iphone?JI'll agree that "Apple-approved" websites is a bit overkill, but I just meant websites which use content which apple has decided to either support or not support in the iphone, based on their own considerations (stability, power-management, etc). Although safari on the pc loads them just fine. Might have to look into that more.I don't think of Apple as big brother and I think that the primary reason iPhone doesn't support the sites I refer to is because they use Flash and/or Java.
I didn't describe it as amazing.
my bust - got you and one mixed up.
Really any that use flash or java. Flash is my bigger killer. My local weather website, along with www.weather.com, use flash for their "weather in motion" radar loops that I like to watch to see when to expect rain. Also, www.webkinz.com doesn't work because the game uses flash. I'd explain why I need to access webkinz, but it begins with "I have this friend who...", and those don't generally end wellAny sites in particular that won't work with iphone?JI'll agree that "Apple-approved" websites is a bit overkill, but I just meant websites which use content which apple has decided to either support or not support in the iphone, based on their own considerations (stability, power-management, etc). Although safari on the pc loads them just fine. Might have to look into that more.I don't think of Apple as big brother and I think that the primary reason iPhone doesn't support the sites I refer to is because they use Flash and/or Java.But I highly disagree with your repeated use of "Apple-approved" websites. You make it sound like Apple is intentionally censoring the web, which feeds into the "Apple as big-brother" stigma that is unfairly promoted due to Apple's closed hardware/software system and a general misunderstanding of how the iPod and iTunes works. I highly doubt Apple is cataloging the internet and deciding which websites they will allow you to go to, as you make it sound. As you stated, it is most likely that A) Safari is not compatible with some sites due to their use of proprietary technology or just lack of testing for Mac, and B) iPhone doesn't support Flash and Java. I'm assuming the sites you are referring to are failing due to one of the above issues.Great reviews, though! Enjoy your iPhone!
.But mostly I read text sites so it's not much of a problem.
My wife purchased one of these bundles of joy. She got home with it and I asked if I could look at it and play around etc. She promptly told me that it wasn't activated yet.Joe Bryant said:Of course it would be better if they activated the phone for you in the store. I'd guess the people in this thread that are still waiting for activation to kick in after having problems would agree. "Ripping Apple a new one for setting my phone up for me?" Like every other phone I've ever bought? Hardly.But that's missing the point entirely. Whether the guy at the store sets the phone up for you or you have to do it yourself really isn't the point. Sure, it's better service if the guy does it for you. But most people can set up their phone by themselves ok. It's the idea that people are raving about AT&T pushing that off to them that isgoonsquad said:So you think it'd be better if Apple made each person wait in line while customer service in the Apple Store sets up each contract and phone for the 250+ people individually on launch day? Somehow if Apple did that I'd expect that you'd be here ripping them a new one for it.Joe Bryant said:No. I
Jto me.
Hats off to Apple. It's a testament to the love they've built from their fans.
J
Ok, well, how long before activiation kicks in?? She wasn't sure....she had to go online or call some number etc. 
After listening to her rave about all the crap they were making her do instead of doing themselves, I was quickly reminded of that Friends episode where one of the girls came back from a date where the guy got her to have sex with her, never had to call her again and told her he would call her AND got her to believe that the whole situation was a GOOD idea. I started and she got pissed quickly. It wasn't until today that she got her phone activiated with the correct number etc. I guess I am just picky, but when I am paying that much for a phone, I expect the service to go with it With that said, I am struggling to see what this phone does that my treo doesn't. Oh well, to each his own I suppose. 
Rumor has it that Apple is adding this feature to iPhone v1.1.They're calling it iScore.
Where's the interview of her stomping off after yelling at the store employees? That would be comedy gold Jerry
That is a smart kid. ALWAYS... ALWAYS take the money. He got a free iPhone for ~12 hours sitting on his butt. I think that is a good deal.Her on the other hand walking around with $16,000 is stupid to begin with and then she was wanting to buy the whole stores supply.
This is just my own personal consumer tendencies talking, but how long until several comparable knock-offs of that technology are available at 1/2 to 1/3 the price? Or, how long until stuff is released with 2X-3X the performance, storage space and features at a comparable price?I always, ALWAYS think that buying the latest "cool" or "hot" technology is fun....but the practical side of me says to wait a year or two, and I'll get a much, MUCH better deal. Of course, the counter-argument is that one could ALWAYS wait for the next "latest and greatest" or iteration....but dropping $600 for "iPhone 1.0", to me, just seems kind of "not smart". Though if I didn't have two kids to feed and had lots of cash burning a hole in my pocket, I suppose I might feel a little different. However, my guess is that a LOT of the folks buying iPhones this weekend could not really afford it either, and will be paying a lot more than $600 by the time they pay-off that credit card bill.
It is always fun but I have never seen it to be financially smart. This isn't the only case. I rarely buy version 1.0 of anything.
My wife experienced the same thing. The best part is, a lot of people think this is good customer service She finally got her's activiated last night.
Joe -You are right. 5 years is unheard of....
This is just my own personal consumer tendencies talking, but how long until several comparable knock-offs of that technology are available at 1/2 to 1/3 the price? Or, how long until stuff is released with 2X-3X the performance, storage space and features at a comparable price?
See Sandisk, Zen, etc vs the iPod in function, features, price.
On Saturday there were roughly 1200 iphones on ebay selling anywhere from $800-$1500. I checked yesterday and it was close to 7000 iphones. I saw a couple of them get cancelled because the seller wasn't going to make a profit..
Hater.J
Point of concern might be an overestimation of the number of people willing to pay $700 for a phone PLUS the $300+ to break their current contract with existing carriers. Time will tell.
Yes, the syncing of calendars and contacts should be like on the iPod, all done directly through iTunes. Here's on video on the activation and syncing process. I haven't watched it all the way through (the sync stuff is the second half), so I make no claims as to how helpful this will be. Hopefully it will give you an idea of how it all works.iPhone Activation and Syncing
Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.
There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
This is currently correct. Not sure of the reasoning behind it (security issue, bandwidth on EDGE?), but I'm assuming this is something that will added through a simple software update at a later date.
It would appear to be a no brainer. I'd expect impulse purchases to drive even higher itunes revenue. Perhaps the RIAA nixed it???
The more I think about this, it fits within the scheme of the iTunes/iPod model. Thanks to the RIAA's fear of sharing, Apple was forced to make the iPod a one way street: computer to iPod only. You can't move songs from iPod to computer directly (without a workaround, that is). So considering that the iPhone is an iPod, it makes sense that you can't download directly to the iPhone, as that would require you to move the song back to your full library, i.e. iPod to computer. Breaks the model.Hopefully with Apple's push to remove DRM this will solve the problem. But it may not be as simple of an issue, knowing the insanity of the RIAA.kupcho1 said:
I don't think there will be a mass exodus at all. But I'd be willing to bet that 1-5% or so are returned...not because it's a faulty product, but because the customer service put the individual in a position to deal with getting it configured. As a matter of fact, my wife called about 45 minutes ago and said hers was going back. She can't justify the $700 price tag and half the web pages she wanted to get to don't work. Not sure which ones, but she's had enough. She's going back to her treo which does all the same stuff. Time will tell on the rest.goonsquad said:Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.The Commish said:There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.goonsquad said:Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.The Commish said:
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
Good for her! My wife is almost to the end of her rope as well. Spent 4 hours, 4!, on the phone today with support and it still doesn't work and neither does her old RAZR. Unreal.I don't think there will be a mass exodus at all. But I'd be willing to bet that 1-5% or so are returned...not because it's a faulty product, but because the customer service put the individual in a position to deal with getting it configured. As a matter of fact, my wife called about 45 minutes ago and said hers was going back. She can't justify the $700 price tag and half the web pages she wanted to get to don't work. Not sure which ones, but she's had enough. She's going back to her treo which does all the same stuff. Time will tell on the rest.goonsquad said:Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.The Commish said:There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.goonsquad said:Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.The Commish said:
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
Good for her! My wife is almost to the end of her rope as well. Spent 4 hours, 4!, on the phone today with support and it still doesn't work and neither does her old RAZR. Unreal.I don't think there will be a mass exodus at all. But I'd be willing to bet that 1-5% or so are returned...not because it's a faulty product, but because the customer service put the individual in a position to deal with getting it configured. As a matter of fact, my wife called about 45 minutes ago and said hers was going back. She can't justify the $700 price tag and half the web pages she wanted to get to don't work. Not sure which ones, but she's had enough. She's going back to her treo which does all the same stuff. Time will tell on the rest.goonsquad said:Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.The Commish said:There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.goonsquad said:Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.The Commish said:
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
itchforksandtorches:
Good for her! My wife is almost to the end of her rope as well. Spent 4 hours, 4!, on the phone today with support and it still doesn't work and neither does her old RAZR. Unreal.I don't think there will be a mass exodus at all. But I'd be willing to bet that 1-5% or so are returned...not because it's a faulty product, but because the customer service put the individual in a position to deal with getting it configured. As a matter of fact, my wife called about 45 minutes ago and said hers was going back. She can't justify the $700 price tag and half the web pages she wanted to get to don't work. Not sure which ones, but she's had enough. She's going back to her treo which does all the same stuff. Time will tell on the rest.goonsquad said:Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.The Commish said:There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.goonsquad said:Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.The Commish said:
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
Seriously though: Is there anyone who knows anything about the cell phone market that thought most iPhone buyers would just want a brand new number? Not to mention that they were obviously thinking of buyers on other networks. It would be stupid for an existing AT&T customer to want/get a new number. And they were totally unprepared. It bothers me so much because it was an Anniversary gift for my wife and now I'm putting her through this hell of horrible support and not having a cell phone for a couple of days.
Not sure how long she's been at it, but my wife was at it from purchase day until 10pm last night...now that it works, it doesn't do what she thinks it should. Not sure if that's HER issue, misconception on what she thinks it should do, or customer service. It's anyone's guess...I have stayed far away.Good for her! My wife is almost to the end of her rope as well. Spent 4 hours, 4!, on the phone today with support and it still doesn't work and neither does her old RAZR. Unreal.I don't think there will be a mass exodus at all. But I'd be willing to bet that 1-5% or so are returned...not because it's a faulty product, but because the customer service put the individual in a position to deal with getting it configured. As a matter of fact, my wife called about 45 minutes ago and said hers was going back. She can't justify the $700 price tag and half the web pages she wanted to get to don't work. Not sure which ones, but she's had enough. She's going back to her treo which does all the same stuff. Time will tell on the rest.goonsquad said:Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.The Commish said:There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.goonsquad said:Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.The Commish said:
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.
Good for her! My wife is almost to the end of her rope as well. Spent 4 hours, 4!, on the phone today with support and it still doesn't work and neither does her old RAZR. Unreal.I don't think there will be a mass exodus at all. But I'd be willing to bet that 1-5% or so are returned...not because it's a faulty product, but because the customer service put the individual in a position to deal with getting it configured. As a matter of fact, my wife called about 45 minutes ago and said hers was going back. She can't justify the $700 price tag and half the web pages she wanted to get to don't work. Not sure which ones, but she's had enough. She's going back to her treo which does all the same stuff. Time will tell on the rest.goonsquad said:Please. If it's truely an issue, you'll hear about it. Reuters had already written about AT&T's activation issues and the AP is now reporting that the problems are clearing up. If there's a mass exodus to return them, the media will scoop it up. I'm guessing this will be a moot point, though. Fact is, most people are thrilled with the iPhone in spite of some difficulties. If your wife is fed up, by all means return it. No point in putting her through such trauma.The Commish said:There is no question sales are going to be through the roof. We'll never hear about all the returns though....wife was borderline ready to send hers back because of the crappy customer service she got and she's an incredibly patient person.goonsquad said:Typical scalpers. People made good cash off the PS2 and 360 due to low launch quantities, so they assume every hot product will go that way. Looks like Apple had plenty of units for their launch.I look forward to hearing release sales numbers.The Commish said:
ETA: While no official numbers have been released, analysts estimate that Apple has sold between 500,000 - 700,000 iPhones in the first two days.It bothers me so much because it was an Anniversary gift for my wife and now I'm putting her through this hell of horrible support and not having a cell phone for a couple of days.
Sounds like a Rookie MistakeEveryone knows Blue Box > Black Box
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You think when I get home and she tells me what a hellish day she's been through I should say something about our 3 years of marriage?
Seriously. Just trying to save people some hassle. Wait it out.
