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I thought the guy at the end was going to be Galactus.
Ha, good call. You're totally right – I would've been geeked regardless. I was probably over-hatin' the Masters of Evil angle a bit, I would like to see 'em at some point of course - and I totally get the redundancy thing with the multiple Demi-God villains. ...I do wonder though, if they'll maybe shift Thanos to more of just a powerful alien character and not even touch on the whole God/Demi-God thing for him. Either way, I just think there was definitely a buzz for finally getting to see Thanos on screen but hopefully it doesn't end up too similar to Loki's storyline. Would love to see Ultron in Round 3.'The Dude said:Don't be hating, F-bot. Truth is you would have been geeked either way.My only qualm about using Thanos as the next baddie is that I don't know how the story is going to be different from Loki. God/Demi-God - his power level is off the boards for Cap, Hawkeye, Widow - so he will likely have to send in the cronies (like Loki) to do battle.'Frankbot said:On a scale of 1-10, my level of disappointment had that been the bonus scene would've been around 1,000,000,000. It would've been the equivalent of Batman Begins ending with Gordon telling Batman there's a mysterious penguin shaped guy stirring up trouble in Gotham. Total letdown to not go with the #1 baddie in the 2nd movie.'The Dude said:Thinking about it a little more, a Masters of Evil preview that would have Crusher Creel, some woman to counter Black Widow and a leader role - maybe Zemo.
The 3 of them having just pulled a heist are watching the Avengers on the news. All is quiet and Zemo says, "We are going to need a little more firepower."
And I do not know that I would refer to Thanos as #1. There's a reason he isn't used all that often in the comics - because they don't know who to develop the character. He's no Doctor Doom.
I would have dug the Masters of Evil - throw in a vintage Power Man in that scene. You would have been stoked.
Or how about this scene - introduce Hank Pym and the Wasp. Pym in adult form, Wasp in tiny form - and they are in the lab working on ...Ultron. That's the Avengers #1.
Think what I like most about a Masters of Evil bit would be that it's at the other end of the spectrum - this one was a team against an allpowerful villian - where MOE would be set with multiple 1 on 1 great fights. Capped with Crusher Creel absorbing the Hulk or Thor's hammer and Wonder Man turning from bad to good in the finale.Ha, good call. You're totally right – I would've been geeked regardless. I was probably over-hatin' the Masters of Evil angle a bit, I would like to see 'em at some point of course - and I totally get the redundancy thing with the multiple Demi-God villains. ...I do wonder though, if they'll maybe shift Thanos to more of just a powerful alien character and not even touch on the whole God/Demi-God thing for him. Either way, I just think there was definitely a buzz for finally getting to see Thanos on screen but hopefully it doesn't end up too similar to Loki's storyline. Would love to see Ultron in Round 3.'The Dude said:Don't be hating, F-bot. Truth is you would have been geeked either way.My only qualm about using Thanos as the next baddie is that I don't know how the story is going to be different from Loki. God/Demi-God - his power level is off the boards for Cap, Hawkeye, Widow - so he will likely have to send in the cronies (like Loki) to do battle.'Frankbot said:On a scale of 1-10, my level of disappointment had that been the bonus scene would've been around 1,000,000,000. It would've been the equivalent of Batman Begins ending with Gordon telling Batman there's a mysterious penguin shaped guy stirring up trouble in Gotham. Total letdown to not go with the #1 baddie in the 2nd movie.'The Dude said:Thinking about it a little more, a Masters of Evil preview that would have Crusher Creel, some woman to counter Black Widow and a leader role - maybe Zemo.
The 3 of them having just pulled a heist are watching the Avengers on the news. All is quiet and Zemo says, "We are going to need a little more firepower."
And I do not know that I would refer to Thanos as #1. There's a reason he isn't used all that often in the comics - because they don't know who to develop the character. He's no Doctor Doom.
I would have dug the Masters of Evil - throw in a vintage Power Man in that scene. You would have been stoked.
Or how about this scene - introduce Hank Pym and the Wasp. Pym in adult form, Wasp in tiny form - and they are in the lab working on ...Ultron. That's the Avengers #1.
I'm sure there will be heavier years, like this one, and lighter years with only one or two major comic book films. But considering superhero programming has been around on Radio, TV and the movies for 70+ years, and the technology to make them is only getting better, I wouldn't expect a slowdown anytime soon.I intend to see this despite the fact that I was underwhelmed by Captain America, Thor, both Hulks, and Iron Man 2.My question... how long is this heavy hit of comic book movies going to last?Obviously with this movie crushing the numbers, a lot more... but what will be interesting to me is if another Spider Man is actually going to make the numbers.This summer's spider man won't even have J Jonah jameson, who is a critical character to the franchise... will it work?I know i'm wearing out on these things, yet will still see Batman, the Avengers, and probably the spider man just to see what its like..So I guess maybe they'll keep pumping them out.
This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
Please explain. I didn't get the sense people were really rooting for the aliens to win.Maybe they will do the sequel right and have the bad guys win.
Hey Dentist, after SM3, I have little interest in the franchise at this point. I liked the 1st one, was blown away by SM2, equal to batman Begins and Dark Knight IMO...also a pretty big fan of Iron man, also was disappointed in IM2, there will be a third out soon. This film I am sure I will see but I typically go about 2-3 weeks after these films are released and then I can enjoy them with lesser crowds. So when the next big thing is released over Memorial Day, that's when I will see the Avengers.I intend to see this despite the fact that I was underwhelmed by Captain America, Thor, both Hulks, and Iron Man 2.My question... how long is this heavy hit of comic book movies going to last?Obviously with this movie crushing the numbers, a lot more... but what will be interesting to me is if another Spider Man is actually going to make the numbers.This summer's spider man won't even have J Jonah jameson, who is a critical character to the franchise... will it work?I know i'm wearing out on these things, yet will still see Batman, the Avengers, and probably the spider man just to see what its like..So I guess maybe they'll keep pumping them out.
i don't expect comic book stuff to go away....But it used to be that only Batman and Superman could get a movie.... then Spider-Man... and now everyone's getting a movie.I guess I wonder at what point audiences are like... oh forget it.What is the current popularity of comic books anyway? i picked up an Amazing Spider Man at the bookstore the other day and flipped through it and it was unrecognizable for me. Would not read.I'm sure there will be heavier years, like this one, and lighter years with only one or two major comic book films. But considering superhero programming has been around on Radio, TV and the movies for 70+ years, and the technology to make them is only getting better, I wouldn't expect a slowdown anytime soon.
She hasn't declared either yet.'Usual21 said:Did she also give up her blackness? If she did, then I would wait. If she didn't, then it's all good.'Arizona Ron said:I have a 4 year old daughter. After seeing it, the only thing that would bother her is the time. It's too long for her to sit through.![]()
It is a pretty simple equation IMO.If they make a ton of Green Lantern level quality movies, people will say "oh forget it". Similar to when Westerns lost popularity because the quality plummeted. If they make a ton of Avenger/Dark Knight level quality movies, they will stay popular.I believe comic book reading (both physical and digital) is at an all time high right now because of the vast numbers of adult males reading the Vertigo (and like) lines of comics. Comics are similar to video games. We have never had more adults doing both activities as we do today, which raises the bar.As for whether kids themselves are reading more or less comics, I don't know for sure.i don't expect comic book stuff to go away....But it used to be that only Batman and Superman could get a movie.... then Spider-Man... and now everyone's getting a movie.I guess I wonder at what point audiences are like... oh forget it.What is the current popularity of comic books anyway?I'm sure there will be heavier years, like this one, and lighter years with only one or two major comic book films. But considering superhero programming has been around on Radio, TV and the movies for 70+ years, and the technology to make them is only getting better, I wouldn't expect a slowdown anytime soon.
Comic books have probably never been more popular, particularly as they branch out into digital media. Starting in June this year, every major Marvel book will have a download code for a digital copy that can be read on computer and tablets. I personally love reading comics on the iPad, and they are starting to get more creative with content developed specifically for digital consumption. The quality of the writing and art is fairly broad an variable, which has always been the case.i don't expect comic book stuff to go away....But it used to be that only Batman and Superman could get a movie.... then Spider-Man... and now everyone's getting a movie.I guess I wonder at what point audiences are like... oh forget it.What is the current popularity of comic books anyway? i picked up an Amazing Spider Man at the bookstore the other day and flipped through it and it was unrecognizable for me. Would not read.I'm sure there will be heavier years, like this one, and lighter years with only one or two major comic book films. But considering superhero programming has been around on Radio, TV and the movies for 70+ years, and the technology to make them is only getting better, I wouldn't expect a slowdown anytime soon.
If thats the way you feel, I wouldn't bother.If you got punched in the face 5 times, you think a 6th is going to be better?I intend to see this despite the fact that I was underwhelmed by Captain America, Thor, both Hulks, and Iron Man 2.
I wasn't aware that this only happens on opening weekends.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
The only reason there is a reboot of Spiderman happening is so Sony doesn't lose the rights. I believe if they didn't release a movie this year the rights revert to Marvel. IMO Marvel should do whatever it can to regain the rights to Spidey and X-Men since they have shown that they are far and away the best option for live action movies for their characters.I intend to see this despite the fact that I was underwhelmed by Captain America, Thor, both Hulks, and Iron Man 2.My question... how long is this heavy hit of comic book movies going to last?Obviously with this movie crushing the numbers, a lot more... but what will be interesting to me is if another Spider Man is actually going to make the numbers.This summer's spider man won't even have J Jonah jameson, who is a critical character to the franchise... will it work?I know i'm wearing out on these things, yet will still see Batman, the Avengers, and probably the spider man just to see what its like..So I guess maybe they'll keep pumping them out.
I don't think the final is out, but the estimate based on Sunday has been revised up to 207.1 Million.Have they come out with final numbers for the opening weekend yet
Wow. I think I remember someone suggesting Hunger games would do better in that thread. Looks like I will be right on that oneI don't think the final is out, but the estimate based on Sunday has been revised up to 207.1 Million.Have they come out with final numbers for the opening weekend yet
Look.. i really enjoyed dark knight, i really enjoyed spider man 1 and 2, I thought Batman Begins was solid, I liked the X-men's.. i liked the New Class X-Men as well... I even liked the first fantastic 4.If thats the way you feel, I wouldn't bother.If you got punched in the face 5 times, you think a 6th is going to be better?I intend to see this despite the fact that I was underwhelmed by Captain America, Thor, both Hulks, and Iron Man 2.
BTW what happened to Dentist and Otis? Once the epitome of cool, now reduced to whining married men.
Thanks, i didn't know that.I did assume they were available for consumption on digital format given that i've seen copies on the torrentz.I decided a few months ago to download all the old amazing spider man's.. 1 to like 500.I've been reading them on my computer... it's fun... I'm on issue 50ish.. Some issues are good, some suck...But I guess after reading those 60's spiderman's and then looking at a current one, the art is obviously a ton better, but the story line seemed just weird and lame... and then there's some new black spiderman? dumb.Comic books have probably never been more popular, particularly as they branch out into digital media. Starting in June this year, every major Marvel book will have a download code for a digital copy that can be read on computer and tablets. I personally love reading comics on the iPad, and they are starting to get more creative with content developed specifically for digital consumption. The quality of the writing and art is fairly broad an variable, which has always been the case.
Yeah pretty much it is the full crowds and hard core fans/geeks that cheer. Go a month from now in a 1/2 full theater with many having already seen it and that will be much much less.I wasn't aware that this only happens on opening weekends.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
Watch it for yourself on your computer then decide if you want to take him to see it in theaters.'Random said:Wife is not on board with taking our 5 year old. Is it kid friendly?'ADP said:I took my 5 year old son. He loved it. He started to get a little bored during some down scenes "plot setting scenes", but when the action was going, he was glued to the screen. He absolutely loved. As soon as we got home he was in his room re-enacting the whole movie. BTW, he has seen all the other movies as well so he was prepared for what he saw. He knew all the characters already.'fsufan said:my brother's 3 year old loves superhero, he is taking him. i would be more worried about the length of the movie for young kidsTwo potential issues - Hulk may scare younger kids, and it's nearly a 2 1/2 hour run time.My 5 year old daughter has shown some interest. Yes or No
That link seemed to be very positive saying the sales are at their highest point in 9 years for Aprilof this year. Also if I am not mistaken trade paper back sales of comics have gone up. I know I personally have never purchased a comic book but have purchased a ton of TPB as I prefer reading them in that form.print run/sales figures for comics here: http://www.comicschronicles.com/
Comics are dying, comic book movies are keeping them on life support.
i agree, but maybe that means they were on the absolute verge of extinction 9 years ago.That link seemed to be very positive saying the sales are at their highest point in 9 years.print run/sales figures for comics here: http://www.comicschronicles.com/
Comics are dying, comic book movies are keeping them on life support.
Look at the TPB numbers I posted. This looks like good growth. Also because of eBay, the secondary market for comics and tpb's is huge and that obviously cuts into sales that would not have happened in the early 90 's.i agree, but maybe that means they were on the absolute verge of extinction 9 years ago.That link seemed to be very positive saying the sales are at their highest point in 9 years.print run/sales figures for comics here: http://www.comicschronicles.com/
Comics are dying, comic book movies are keeping them on life support.
I had never heard of it until the movie but when I looked it up it sounds awesome.So does anyone else want to try some shawarma after seeing the movie?Anyone already tried it? Good?
maybe not directly, but I wouldn't mind seeing a comic book movie do something different and have the bad guys win. Every one of these movies all ends the same: with the good guys winning, it's very predictable. so I wouldn't complain with in the Avengers 2 Thanos wrecking havoc on Earth, then in the Avengers 3 he's brought down. Would make a good trilogy, ala Batman right now.Please explain. I didn't get the sense people were really rooting for the aliens to win.Maybe they will do the sequel right and have the bad guys win.
you are right... a lot of things have changed.Look at the TPB numbers I posted. This looks like good growth. Also because of eBay, the secondary market for comics and tpb's is huge and that obviously cuts into sales that would not have happened in the early 90 's.i agree, but maybe that means they were on the absolute verge of extinction 9 years ago.That link seemed to be very positive saying the sales are at their highest point in 9 years.print run/sales figures for comics here: http://www.comicschronicles.com/
Comics are dying, comic book movies are keeping them on life support.
I won't/can't argue whether comics are more popular today vs 20 years ago because the variables have changed significantly (secondary market and digital torrents).
But I think saying comics are dieing is going a bit overboard.
Usually here at the 1200pm showing it is quiet and not busy at my local theater even for big movies. The Dark Knight for example wasn't very crowded for that showing. Avengers was packed and loud. If I had known, I might have waited a week. Glad I saw it though.The reason is that there are like 5 theaters within 30 minutes that are vastly superior. I live 3 minutes from this one which is why I go there and its good enough for me.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
did you see them all eating it after the credits? it was hilarious... I think the lack of dialog is what made it so funny!I had never heard of it until the movie but when I looked it up it sounds awesome.So does anyone else want to try some shawarma after seeing the movie?Anyone already tried it? Good?![]()
I dunno...that kind of movie seems to need to have the good guys win. As a dad, I've been using these superhero movies to help teach my boys about good and evil and that good does win out in the end. Speaking selfishly, I'd hate to have to explain to my boys why the bad guys won ("Well, it's so they can make another movie" isn't going to cut it and won't make sense to them.)As a movie watcher, I'd have no problem with it.maybe not directly, but I wouldn't mind seeing a comic book movie do something different and have the bad guys win. Every one of these movies all ends the same: with the good guys winning, it's very predictable. so I wouldn't complain with in the Avengers 2 Thanos wrecking havoc on Earth, then in the Avengers 3 he's brought down. Would make a good trilogy, ala Batman right now.Please explain. I didn't get the sense people were really rooting for the aliens to win.Maybe they will do the sequel right and have the bad guys win.![]()
When you think about it, the bad guys appeared to have won at the end of Empire Strikes Back and kids had no real problems understanding it.Not saying that was appropriate for Avengers, just saying that kids can likely comprehend this stuff better than we give credit for.I dunno...that kind of movie seems to need to have the good guys win. As a dad, I've been using these superhero movies to help teach my boys about good and evil and that good does win out in the end. Speaking selfishly, I'd hate to have to explain to my boys why the bad guys won ("Well, it's so they can make another movie" isn't going to cut it and won't make sense to them.)As a movie watcher, I'd have no problem with it.maybe not directly, but I wouldn't mind seeing a comic book movie do something different and have the bad guys win. Every one of these movies all ends the same: with the good guys winning, it's very predictable. so I wouldn't complain with in the Avengers 2 Thanos wrecking havoc on Earth, then in the Avengers 3 he's brought down. Would make a good trilogy, ala Batman right now.Please explain. I didn't get the sense people were really rooting for the aliens to win.Maybe they will do the sequel right and have the bad guys win.![]()
yeah we talked about this earlier in the thread. Some did not like the scene but I thought it was pitch perfect. Having it be silent outside of them chewing was a perfect ending for me for such a hectic movie.did you see them all eating it after the credits? it was hilarious... I think the lack of dialog is what made it so funny!I had never heard of it until the movie but when I looked it up it sounds awesome.So does anyone else want to try some shawarma after seeing the movie?Anyone already tried it? Good?![]()
Same with Revenge of teh Sith.Padme dies, Darth Vader born, jedi all dead, death star being built... the good guys got pwned.It still worked.When you think about it, the bad guys appeared to have won at the end of Empire Strikes Back and kids had no real problems understanding it.Not saying that was appropriate for Avengers, just saying that kids can likely comprehend this stuff better than we give credit for.
I'll just say this, as a lifelong comic book collector, and former comic book artist (Legend Comics back in early 90s), my view of the industry is different than yours...and I see the monthly books selling a lot less (120k compared to 4MM for print runs/sales). That's why I said comics are dying. It's unlikely they'll ever go away, but we've certainly seen the market slide in a big way. Now, back to shawarma !!!BTW, going to see it again this week....anybody have current numbers for ticket sales?But I think saying comics are dieing is going a bit overboard.
Those highs in the 90s were a bubble caused by a very specific reason though. Take out all the speculative buying that was going on, with people trying to get the next Action Comics #1, and the context is entirely different. 207.4 Million was the final official number.I'll just say this, as a lifelong comic book collector, and former comic book artist (Legend Comics back in early 90s), my view of the industry is different than yours...and I see the monthly books selling a lot less (120k compared to 4MM for print runs/sales). That's why I said comics are dying. It's unlikely they'll ever go away, but we've certainly seen the market slide in a big way. Now, back to shawarma !!!But I think saying comics are dieing is going a bit overboard.
BTW, going to see it again this week....anybody have current numbers for ticket sales?
If you pay attention in Thor, the Infinity Gauntlet can be seen in the treasure room/armory.Also, for whoever said it might involve the Cosmic Cube instead...the Tesseract was already one of those. There are many versions.Maybe if they did an Infinity Gauntlet story.
This was by far the most engaged crowd I've ever seen in a theatre, even on opening weekend. Clapping in the middle of the movie, really loud laughter throughout - I didn't mind it and it was kind of fun, but I could see how some would be put off by it. For example, after the scene with Loki and hulk near the end, nobody could hear hulk's one liner because of the applause and laughter. I had to YouTube it when I got home.Yeah pretty much it is the full crowds and hard core fans/geeks that cheer. Go a month from now in a 1/2 full theater with many having already seen it and that will be much much less.I wasn't aware that this only happens on opening weekends.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
My crowd was active and loud for Avengers but it did not touch the opening night crowds for the Star Wars rereleases in the late 90's in terms of applause, which was more like a concert than a movie. Of course for those movies missing dialogue was meaningless since we knew the movies by heart.This was by far the most engaged crowd I've ever seen in a theatre, even on opening weekend. Clapping in the middle of the movie, really loud laughter throughout - I didn't mind it and it was kind of fun, but I could see how some would be put off by it. For example, after the scene with Loki and hulk near the end, nobody could hear hulk's one liner because of the applause and laughter. I had to YouTube it when I got home.Yeah pretty much it is the full crowds and hard core fans/geeks that cheer. Go a month from now in a 1/2 full theater with many having already seen it and that will be much much less.I wasn't aware that this only happens on opening weekends.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
Those movies were probably the second loudest I've been to, but the applause was more carefully timed because, as you noted, everyone knew what was happening and when.My crowd was active and loud for Avengers but it did not touch the opening night crowds for the Star Wars rereleases in the late 90's in terms of applause, which was more like a concert than a movie. Of course for those movies missing dialogue was meaningless since we knew the movies by heart.This was by far the most engaged crowd I've ever seen in a theatre, even on opening weekend. Clapping in the middle of the movie, really loud laughter throughout - I didn't mind it and it was kind of fun, but I could see how some would be put off by it. For example, after the scene with Loki and hulk near the end, nobody could hear hulk's one liner because of the applause and laughter. I had to YouTube it when I got home.Yeah pretty much it is the full crowds and hard core fans/geeks that cheer. Go a month from now in a 1/2 full theater with many having already seen it and that will be much much less.I wasn't aware that this only happens on opening weekends.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
That is a very informative article. Thanks.Here's a good, serious article on the Comics bubble/crash for anyone really interested.
The Crash of 1993
very true. No where near as spontaneous. But in the end I think that is part of the fun of going to opening night as well is the active crowd.Those movies were probably the second loudest I've been to, but the applause was more carefully timed because, as you noted, everyone knew what was happening and when.My crowd was active and loud for Avengers but it did not touch the opening night crowds for the Star Wars rereleases in the late 90's in terms of applause, which was more like a concert than a movie. Of course for those movies missing dialogue was meaningless since we knew the movies by heart.This was by far the most engaged crowd I've ever seen in a theatre, even on opening weekend. Clapping in the middle of the movie, really loud laughter throughout - I didn't mind it and it was kind of fun, but I could see how some would be put off by it. For example, after the scene with Loki and hulk near the end, nobody could hear hulk's one liner because of the applause and laughter. I had to YouTube it when I got home.Yeah pretty much it is the full crowds and hard core fans/geeks that cheer. Go a month from now in a 1/2 full theater with many having already seen it and that will be much much less.I wasn't aware that this only happens on opening weekends.This may be a dumb question but why go see this type of movie on opening night/weekend if the above bothers you especially knowing how good the reviews were going into it?'Copeman said:I enjoyed it, all except for the audience clapping and making loud noises so others couldn't hear any dialogue, but other than that the movie seemed well done.
1) i don't know, there's such a fine line on that stuff.. what's the real difference between borrowing something from teh library or getting it for free second hand from a friend and torrenting it? The "artist" receives no money from your secondary use in teh transaction... it's a real weird gray area.2) yes, because the argument is that they are still selling "re-issues" of those comics. I saw entire books of "Spider man 1-10, 11-20, and so on and barnes and noble" there must be some sort of "right" or license to it.However, I didn't know these existed, so I admit to torrenting these old comics simply because i figured there was no way for me to realistically acquire them anyway until i saw those books.Questions for the comic book guys:If it is illegal to torrent a comic that is currently in print I have two questions1) Why is it not illegal to purchase a comic in print in the secondary market? (same could be said for DVD's, books, video games etc)2) Is it illegal to download/torrent older comics that are no longer in print?