The Avengers (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

how olds your son? my son will be 3 in june and loves spiderman, hulk, and captain america. im gonna let him watch it when it comes out on blu ray. i think hell love it

Will be 2 in July.

 

[Fensalk]

Saw it last night, great flick. I still like Dark Knight, but this was right up there.

Weird but I think I'm the only person on Earth who didn't care for Dark Knight.

I usually despise comic book films but the Dark Knight was exceptional. The proper way to tell a story is to create interesting characters and torture them for 300 pages. Make obstacles worthy of your heroes' quest. Make the heroes suffer terrible losses to reveal their inner character. Maybe they rise, maybe they fall, but it tells you something deep about who they are.The Dark Knight succeeds in doing this. The Joker is an obstacle worthy of Batman's quest. He achieves real goals. He takes chunks out of Batman's life. He kills Rachel Dawes, and the pinnacle of the film is when the Joker turns Harvey Dent from a shining knight into a villain. That is devastating to Batman on a number of levels. It sets Gotham back so much. It means he cannot put the mask and cape away because he is still the bulwark. It ruins everything Batman has worked for. How does he react? He makes even more sacrifices by ruining his reputation and pretending to become a murderous villain to protect Dent's image. And there's no guarantee even that will work. That's great writing. Through terrible ordeals, they reveal the inner character of Bruce Wayne. It makes you feel you know who Bruce Wayne is.The Avengers doesn't work at all on this level. Loki is presented as a bumbling idiot who accomplishes nothing. He "turns" a couple people with his magic wand but its only temporary. That's chicken #### writing. The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo. The Avengers is a throwaway film compared to Dark Knight. Its appeal is in being like a pro wrestling PPV. People want to see the Hulk fight Thor, Iron Man fight the Hulk, Iron Man fight Thor, Thor fight Captain America, etc. That's all the film is. The obstacles are not worthy of the heroes' quest. The heroes are not tortured in this film. Its a sporting event disguised as a film. I don't feel I know the superheroes in the Avengers like I do Batman after the Dark Knight. I don't know how these superheroes would react to devastating losses piled on their lives from this film.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Saw it last night, great flick. I still like Dark Knight, but this was right up there.

Weird but I think I'm the only person on Earth who didn't care for Dark Knight.

I usually despise comic book films but the Dark Knight was exceptional. The proper way to tell a story is to create interesting characters and torture them for 300 pages. Make obstacles worthy of your heroes' quest. Make the heroes suffer terrible losses to reveal their inner character. Maybe they rise, maybe they fall, but it tells you something deep about who they are.The Dark Knight succeeds in doing this. The Joker is an obstacle worthy of Batman's quest. He achieves real goals. He takes chunks out of Batman's life. He kills Rachel Dawes, and the pinnacle of the film is when the Joker turns Harvey Dent from a shining knight into a villain. That is devastating to Batman on a number of levels. It sets Gotham back so much. It means he cannot put the mask and cape away because he is still the bulwark. It ruins everything Batman has worked for. How does he react? He makes even more sacrifices by ruining his reputation and pretending to become a murderous villain to protect Dent's image. And there's no guarantee even that will work. That's great writing. Through terrible ordeals, they reveal the inner character of Bruce Wayne. It makes you feel you know who Bruce Wayne is.The Avengers doesn't work at all on this level. Loki is presented as a bumbling idiot who accomplishes nothing. He "turns" a couple people with his magic wand but its only temporary. That's chicken #### writing. The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo. The Avengers is a throwaway film compared to Dark Knight. Its appeal is in being like a pro wrestling PPV. People want to see the Hulk fight Thor, Iron Man fight the Hulk, Iron Man fight Thor, Thor fight Captain America, etc. That's all the film is. The obstacles are not worthy of the heroes' quest. The heroes are not tortured in this film. Its a sporting event disguised as a film. I don't feel I know the superheroes in the Avengers like I do Batman after the Dark Knight. I don't know how these superheroes would react to devastating losses piled on their lives from this film.

Boy...talk about taking all the fun out of a movie...yeesh

 

[Fensalk]

Saw it last night, great flick. I still like Dark Knight, but this was right up there.

Weird but I think I'm the only person on Earth who didn't care for Dark Knight.

I usually despise comic book films but the Dark Knight was exceptional. The proper way to tell a story is to create interesting characters and torture them for 300 pages. Make obstacles worthy of your heroes' quest. Make the heroes suffer terrible losses to reveal their inner character. Maybe they rise, maybe they fall, but it tells you something deep about who they are.The Dark Knight succeeds in doing this. The Joker is an obstacle worthy of Batman's quest. He achieves real goals. He takes chunks out of Batman's life. He kills Rachel Dawes, and the pinnacle of the film is when the Joker turns Harvey Dent from a shining knight into a villain. That is devastating to Batman on a number of levels. It sets Gotham back so much. It means he cannot put the mask and cape away because he is still the bulwark. It ruins everything Batman has worked for. How does he react? He makes even more sacrifices by ruining his reputation and pretending to become a murderous villain to protect Dent's image. And there's no guarantee even that will work. That's great writing. Through terrible ordeals, they reveal the inner character of Bruce Wayne. It makes you feel you know who Bruce Wayne is.The Avengers doesn't work at all on this level. Loki is presented as a bumbling idiot who accomplishes nothing. He "turns" a couple people with his magic wand but its only temporary. That's chicken #### writing. The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo. The Avengers is a throwaway film compared to Dark Knight. Its appeal is in being like a pro wrestling PPV. People want to see the Hulk fight Thor, Iron Man fight the Hulk, Iron Man fight Thor, Thor fight Captain America, etc. That's all the film is. The obstacles are not worthy of the heroes' quest. The heroes are not tortured in this film. Its a sporting event disguised as a film. I don't feel I know the superheroes in the Avengers like I do Batman after the Dark Knight. I don't know how these superheroes would react to devastating losses piled on their lives from this film.

Boy...talk about taking all the fun out of a movie...yeesh

I think its easy to make a fun movie. But I have a tremendous amount of respect for how difficult it is to write a deeply compelling film like the Dark Knight. Those two films aren't even on the same level.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Saw it last night, great flick. I still like Dark Knight, but this was right up there.

Weird but I think I'm the only person on Earth who didn't care for Dark Knight.

I usually despise comic book films but the Dark Knight was exceptional. The proper way to tell a story is to create interesting characters and torture them for 300 pages. Make obstacles worthy of your heroes' quest. Make the heroes suffer terrible losses to reveal their inner character. Maybe they rise, maybe they fall, but it tells you something deep about who they are.The Dark Knight succeeds in doing this. The Joker is an obstacle worthy of Batman's quest. He achieves real goals. He takes chunks out of Batman's life. He kills Rachel Dawes, and the pinnacle of the film is when the Joker turns Harvey Dent from a shining knight into a villain. That is devastating to Batman on a number of levels. It sets Gotham back so much. It means he cannot put the mask and cape away because he is still the bulwark. It ruins everything Batman has worked for. How does he react? He makes even more sacrifices by ruining his reputation and pretending to become a murderous villain to protect Dent's image. And there's no guarantee even that will work. That's great writing. Through terrible ordeals, they reveal the inner character of Bruce Wayne. It makes you feel you know who Bruce Wayne is.The Avengers doesn't work at all on this level. Loki is presented as a bumbling idiot who accomplishes nothing. He "turns" a couple people with his magic wand but its only temporary. That's chicken #### writing. The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo. The Avengers is a throwaway film compared to Dark Knight. Its appeal is in being like a pro wrestling PPV. People want to see the Hulk fight Thor, Iron Man fight the Hulk, Iron Man fight Thor, Thor fight Captain America, etc. That's all the film is. The obstacles are not worthy of the heroes' quest. The heroes are not tortured in this film. Its a sporting event disguised as a film. I don't feel I know the superheroes in the Avengers like I do Batman after the Dark Knight. I don't know how these superheroes would react to devastating losses piled on their lives from this film.

Boy...talk about taking all the fun out of a movie...yeesh

I think its easy to make a fun movie. But I have a tremendous amount of respect for how difficult it is to write a deeply compelling film like the Dark Knight. Those two films aren't even on the same level.

well i felt a lot better after the avengers , so in that aspect you are right, diiferent movies for sure.

 

[Fensalk]

Superhero origin stories tend to be better than anything that follows because they typically are coming-of-age tales that involve overcoming worthy obstacles and suffering catastrophic personal losses. Spiderman and Batman are two quality origin stories for this reason. The Spiderman films suffer because once they get beyond his initial struggles in his origin story, they quickly devolve into feeding Spidey an incompetent villain of the week, which gets boring fast. Not surprised they rebooted his films.

 

[Usual21]

Superhero origin stories tend to be better than anything that follows because they typically are coming-of-age tales that involve overcoming worthy obstacles and suffering catastrophic personal losses. Spiderman and Batman are two quality origin stories for this reason. The Spiderman films suffer because once they get beyond his initial struggles in his origin story, they quickly devolve into feeding Spidey an incompetent villain of the week, which gets boring fast. Not surprised they rebooted his films.

That's not why they rebooted. They didn't want Spidey's rights going back to Marvel. They only way to keep them was to put out another movie. Kind of BS if you ask me.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Kind of agree w beej. Loki and his plot were kind of weak. It still was fun and well done though.

I put it behind both batmans and perhaps the first xmen and spiderman but its close. I love tony stark and really thought the super heroes were handled exceptionally well as was the direction.

 

[Fensalk]

I like a fun popcorn summer flick like anyone else. But I also love a great story. Its just much harder to find the latter.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I like a fun popcorn summer flick like anyone else. But I also love a great story. Its just much harder to find the latter.

I don't really want to get sucked into this because I enjoy both movies, but honestly, the idea that the story is so much better in the TDK is ridiculous IMO. It's a story of a dude who dresses up as a bat, trying to stop a another dude who dresses up as a clown from blowing things up (his apparent super-power is being able to place explosives anywhere and everywhere without being noticed). The story is well written and well acted, with plenty of dramatic tension, but lets not get carried away that we are dealing with a complex or original story in any way. Same goes for the Avengers, it's well written and well acted with less drama, more humor, and again nothing too complex or original in the narrative. You shouldn't confuse drama for story, which is what seems to happen frequently with TDK.

 

[packersfan]

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The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo.

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This really should be in spoiler tags but Colston's death did mean something to me as a fan of all the films leading up to this one. I liked his character a lot and was caught by surprise when Loki killed him. If they had killed Cobie Smuders' character it wouldn't have meant anything to me but Colston did because he and Fury were the two unifying presences between all of the films leading up to this one.

I wouldn't say "The Avengers" story is on par with "Dark Knight" but it wasn't meant to be. It wasn't meant to get that dark (no pun intended). I thought the story was extremely well written, well acted, well directed and well presented. I thought it transcended your typical popcorn summer action flick. I wouldn't compare it to "Dark Knight" because other than having their origins in the comics and featuring superheroes of some kind I don't see many similarities between the two.

 

[flapgreen]

Spoiler

The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo.

Spoiler

This really should be in spoiler tags but Colston's death did mean something to me as a fan of all the films leading up to this one. I liked his character a lot and was caught by surprise when Loki killed him. If they had killed Cobie Smuders' character it wouldn't have meant anything to me but Colston did because he and Fury were the two unifying presences between all of the films leading up to this one.

I wouldn't say "The Avengers" story is on par with "Dark Knight" but it wasn't meant to be. It wasn't meant to get that dark (no pun intended). I thought the story was extremely well written, well acted, well directed and well presented. I thought it transcended your typical popcorn summer action flick. I wouldn't compare it to "Dark Knight" because other than having their origins in the comics and featuring superheroes of some kind I don't see many similarities between the two.

I'm right there with you. If I'm watching a movie with that many superheroes, I'm looking for some action and ### kicking. It had plenty of that, a great storyline for what it was, and a lot of great comedy mixed in. Much better than your usual comic book movie. :thumb:

 

[Dr. No]

Saw it last night, great flick. I still like Dark Knight, but this was right up there.

Weird but I think I'm the only person on Earth who didn't care for Dark Knight.

I usually despise comic book films but the Dark Knight was exceptional. The proper way to tell a story is to create interesting characters and torture them for 300 pages. Make obstacles worthy of your heroes' quest. Make the heroes suffer terrible losses to reveal their inner character. Maybe they rise, maybe they fall, but it tells you something deep about who they are.The Dark Knight succeeds in doing this. The Joker is an obstacle worthy of Batman's quest. He achieves real goals. He takes chunks out of Batman's life. He kills Rachel Dawes, and the pinnacle of the film is when the Joker turns Harvey Dent from a shining knight into a villain. That is devastating to Batman on a number of levels. It sets Gotham back so much. It means he cannot put the mask and cape away because he is still the bulwark. It ruins everything Batman has worked for. How does he react? He makes even more sacrifices by ruining his reputation and pretending to become a murderous villain to protect Dent's image. And there's no guarantee even that will work. That's great writing. Through terrible ordeals, they reveal the inner character of Bruce Wayne. It makes you feel you know who Bruce Wayne is.The Avengers doesn't work at all on this level. Loki is presented as a bumbling idiot who accomplishes nothing. He "turns" a couple people with his magic wand but its only temporary. That's chicken #### writing. The heroes suffer no permanent losses beyond that agent who really isn't built up to mean much imo. The Avengers is a throwaway film compared to Dark Knight. Its appeal is in being like a pro wrestling PPV. People want to see the Hulk fight Thor, Iron Man fight the Hulk, Iron Man fight Thor, Thor fight Captain America, etc. That's all the film is. The obstacles are not worthy of the heroes' quest. The heroes are not tortured in this film. Its a sporting event disguised as a film. I don't feel I know the superheroes in the Avengers like I do Batman after the Dark Knight. I don't know how these superheroes would react to devastating losses piled on their lives from this film.

I mostly agree.Avengers - great popcorn flick.. but Loki didn't grab me as a villain and the tesseract story was strange (maybe it was in the comics - i never read the mighty avengers.The Dark Knight was a great and compelling story... and it will be interesting to see how they follow that up.Spiderman 2 was similar in a way... they torture Peter Parker a lot like they do to Bruce Wayne.. which is one of the reasons i've always been drawn to that character.I liked the Avengers, but its getting a lot more credit than it deserves if you ask me.The spider man that is coming out I don't expect much from... it truly feels like they only produced this to keep the rights alive.they are going to do the same thing to teh fantastic 4 in 2014

 

[KarmaPolice]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

Come on now- it is not even the best comic book movie, let alone the best action. This is a very good popcorn flick, but some of you guys have lost your damn minds over this movie.

 

[flapgreen]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

Come on now- it is not even the best comic book movie, let alone the best action. This is a very good popcorn flick, but some of you guys have lost your damn minds over this movie.

Can't help it. I loved the movie. I guess I should've said best superhero movie. I'm not counting movies like Inception.Eta: Liked most of the X-Men movies, Iron Man etc. Thor was ok. Thought Captain America was terrible. I guess Dark Knight was ok, but it wasn't my thing. Spiderman was ok. Haven't seen Hulk.

 

[netnalp]

I think The Avengers is targeted to a broader audience than Dark Knight. And Dark Night probably had a broader audience than Watchmen. I love all those movies but I wouldn't take a kid younger than 12-13 to see Dark Knight, or younger than 16 for Watchmen. I think many people appreciate that Avengers is suitable for young kids and stay entertaining for adults.

I think also with a character like Batman, who lacks super powers and is very human, you can get into a deeper story. The first Hulk movie tried that and for me, it came off as boring. It also made for an odd contrast, between the drama and creating fantastical things to be a challenge to a character like the Hulk. The gamma radiated dogs seem goofy and unimaginative.

On the other hand, Watchmen I thought was a very good story but it also had a mix of the super powerful and more ordinary heroes. The compelling thing is the interactions of the less powerful to the very powerful.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

Come on now- it is not even the best comic book movie, let alone the best action. This is a very good popcorn flick, but some of you guys have lost your damn minds over this movie.

Can't help it. I loved the movie. I guess I should've said best superhero movie. I'm not counting movies like Inception.Eta: Liked most of the X-Men movies, Iron Man etc. Thor was ok. Thought Captain America was terrible. I guess Dark Knight was ok, but it wasn't my thing. Spiderman was ok. Haven't seen Hulk.

I loved the 3 Blade movies!!!

 

[packersfan]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

Come on now- it is not even the best comic book movie, let alone the best action. This is a very good popcorn flick, but some of you guys have lost your damn minds over this movie.

Can't help it. I loved the movie. I guess I should've said best superhero movie. I'm not counting movies like Inception.Eta: Liked most of the X-Men movies, Iron Man etc. Thor was ok. Thought Captain America was terrible. I guess Dark Knight was ok, but it wasn't my thing. Spiderman was ok. Haven't seen Hulk.

I loved the 3 Blade movies!!!

I thought the first two were great, especially the second. The third was a waste of potential.

 

[AcerFC]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

Come on now- it is not even the best comic book movie, let alone the best action. This is a very good popcorn flick, but some of you guys have lost your damn minds over this movie.

Can't help it. I loved the movie. I guess I should've said best superhero movie. I'm not counting movies like Inception.Eta: Liked most of the X-Men movies, Iron Man etc. Thor was ok. Thought Captain America was terrible. I guess Dark Knight was ok, but it wasn't my thing. Spiderman was ok. Haven't seen Hulk.

I agree with most all of this.

 

[Steeler]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

Saw the movie today and this is my take:

Spoiler

He finally learned how to control the change from Banner to the Hulk. They didn't really explain it outright or in detail, but I think we were told he could control it in the scene when Banner said "the secret is I always stay angry" and then started attacking.Maybe that's BS, but going into the movie I was looking for/ wondering how they would make the transition from uncontrollable monster to Avengers team member... and that's all we got.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

the whole dark knight vs avengers thing is funny. and the next installment of batman looks to be a stinker IMO.

 

[Premier]

Both Dark Knight and Avengers were great movies that had absolutely nothing to do with each other, except that they were spawned from comics.

Fwiw, I think DK is better, but Avengers is going to be more rewatchable.

 

[Disco Stu]

I took my 9 year old son to this the other day. We both loved it. I didn't expect it to live up to the hype, but it absolutely did.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Saw it yesterday with my wife and three kids (step daughter-14, boys 10 and 8). We all enjoyed it. There's not many movies around we call all genuinely enjoy these days.

 

[iamsmilin]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

Saw the movie today and this is my take:

Spoiler

He finally learned how to control the change from Banner to the Hulk. They didn't really explain it outright or in detail, but I think we were told he could control it in the scene when Banner said "the secret is I always stay angry" and then started attacking.Maybe that's BS, but going into the movie I was looking for/ wondering how they would make the transition from uncontrollable monster to Avengers team member... and that's all we got.

Spoiler

My take is that he always had control. He only lost control on the ship because of the energy from the staff (which was making them all fight) and the bomb just tipped him over the edge. For me, the main thing that made him want to be an Avenger was the conversations with Stark. Before them, it seems like Banner only thought that Hulk was a curse and could never be useful or good. The conversations with Stark gave Banner a new way of looking at "the other" guy and realizing he could do some good.

 

[NCCommish]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

Spoiler

Saw the movie today and this is my take:He finally learned how to control the change from Banner to the Hulk. They didn't really explain it outright or in detail, but I think we were told he could control it in the scene when Banner said "the secret is I always stay angry" and then started attacking.Maybe that's BS, but going into the movie I was looking for/ wondering how they would make the transition from uncontrollable monster to Avengers team member... and that's all we got.

Spoiler

My take is that he always had control. He only lost control on the ship because of the energy from the staff (which was making them all fight) and the bomb just tipped him over the edge. For me, the main thing that made him want to be an Avenger was the conversations with Stark. Before them, it seems like Banner only thought that Hulk was a curse and could never be useful or good. The conversations with Stark gave Banner a new way of looking at "the other" guy and realizing he could do some good.

I think we'll get the full explanation when the DVD comes out. I understand that the interaction with the old security guard had a lot to do with it.

 

[NewlyRetired]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

Spoiler

Saw the movie today and this is my take:He finally learned how to control the change from Banner to the Hulk. They didn't really explain it outright or in detail, but I think we were told he could control it in the scene when Banner said "the secret is I always stay angry" and then started attacking.Maybe that's BS, but going into the movie I was looking for/ wondering how they would make the transition from uncontrollable monster to Avengers team member... and that's all we got.

Spoiler

My take is that he always had control. He only lost control on the ship because of the energy from the staff (which was making them all fight) and the bomb just tipped him over the edge. For me, the main thing that made him want to be an Avenger was the conversations with Stark. Before them, it seems like Banner only thought that Hulk was a curse and could never be useful or good. The conversations with Stark gave Banner a new way of looking at "the other" guy and realizing he could do some good.

It will likely be much better explained in the DVD with the extra 30 minutes. For me the key scene is with the janitor after he fell. That scene was almost certainly cut and once shown with more dialogue, it will become clearer that Banner realizes that he has more control over the Hulk then he originally thought. That was the whole reason for the line from the janitor saying something to the affect of

Spoiler

"I watched you fall and it looks like you went out of your way not to hit and hurt anyone.

 

[AcerFC]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

Spoiler

Saw the movie today and this is my take:He finally learned how to control the change from Banner to the Hulk. They didn't really explain it outright or in detail, but I think we were told he could control it in the scene when Banner said "the secret is I always stay angry" and then started attacking.Maybe that's BS, but going into the movie I was looking for/ wondering how they would make the transition from uncontrollable monster to Avengers team member... and that's all we got.

Spoiler

My take is that he always had control. He only lost control on the ship because of the energy from the staff (which was making them all fight) and the bomb just tipped him over the edge. For me, the main thing that made him want to be an Avenger was the conversations with Stark. Before them, it seems like Banner only thought that Hulk was a curse and could never be useful or good. The conversations with Stark gave Banner a new way of looking at "the other" guy and realizing he could do some good.

I think we'll get the full explanation when the DVD comes out. I understand that the interaction with the old security guard had a lot to do with it.That was my initial take also. Because it was then that he

Spoiler

saw that he dint crash into it on purpose but I wasnt sure

. Will wait for commentary I guess.ETA: spoiler tags since Retired had same thing in spoilers

 

[NewlyRetired]

This may have already been answered here but I'll ask again. Question about The Hulk

Spoiler

why did the Hulk all of the sudden become part of the team after wanting to smash everyone on the ship

Spoiler

Saw the movie today and this is my take:He finally learned how to control the change from Banner to the Hulk. They didn't really explain it outright or in detail, but I think we were told he could control it in the scene when Banner said "the secret is I always stay angry" and then started attacking.Maybe that's BS, but going into the movie I was looking for/ wondering how they would make the transition from uncontrollable monster to Avengers team member... and that's all we got.

Spoiler

My take is that he always had control. He only lost control on the ship because of the energy from the staff (which was making them all fight) and the bomb just tipped him over the edge. For me, the main thing that made him want to be an Avenger was the conversations with Stark. Before them, it seems like Banner only thought that Hulk was a curse and could never be useful or good. The conversations with Stark gave Banner a new way of looking at "the other" guy and realizing he could do some good.

I think we'll get the full explanation when the DVD comes out. I understand that the interaction with the old security guard had a lot to do with it.That was my initial take also. Because it was then that he

Spoiler

saw that he dint crash into it on purpose but I wasnt sure

. Will wait for commentary I guess.

If you mean a directors commentary, I am hopeful you won't need that. 30 minutes will be added to the DVD and if even 90 seconds of that 30 minutes is given to this one question in the scene with janitor, I think many of our inquiries may be satisfied.

 

[17seconds]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

how olds your son? my son will be 3 in june and loves spiderman, hulk, and captain america. im gonna let him watch it when it comes out on blu ray. i think hell love it

Will be 2 in July.

My son is 5 and for the most part he's not allowed to watch any action movies that are PG-13. As far as we've gone is the Star Wars movies and Tron. Tron is really good because there's a lot of action but not much violence. I don't think a gun is fired in the entire movie.From what I know about Avengers, he won't be allowed to watch it for a while. Part of the issue is that he spends almost every waking hour acting out movies he's seen by running around the house, throwing stuff, and beating the crap out of his 3yo sister. So we try to keep the influence of that down until he matures a bit more.

 

[Premier]

I thought the most interesting line in the movie is when Banner said he tried to put a bullet in his brain "but the other guy stopped it".

Cool visual.

 

[eoMMan]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

how olds your son? my son will be 3 in june and loves spiderman, hulk, and captain america. im gonna let him watch it when it comes out on blu ray. i think hell love it

Will be 2 in July.

My son is 5 and for the most part he's not allowed to watch any action movies that are PG-13. As far as we've gone is the Star Wars movies and Tron. Tron is really good because there's a lot of action but not much violence. I don't think a gun is fired in the entire movie.From what I know about Avengers, he won't be allowed to watch it for a while. Part of the issue is that he spends almost every waking hour acting out movies he's seen by running around the house, throwing stuff, and beating the crap out of his 3yo sister. So we try to keep the influence of that down until he matures a bit more.

Yeah, it might be too much for a kid under 7 or 8, imo. There is a little bit of blood.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

 

[fsufan]

Saw it yesterday with my wife and three kids (step daughter-14, boys 10 and 8). We all enjoyed it. There's not many movies around we call all genuinely enjoy these days.

What was the cost for a family of 5?I took my daughter to the hunger games2 tickets- $102 drinks , 2 popcorns , 1 candy- $25 they get you in there and #### you

 

[Bull Dozier]

Saw it yesterday with my wife and three kids (step daughter-14, boys 10 and 8). We all enjoyed it. There's not many movies around we call all genuinely enjoy these days.

What was the cost for a family of 5?I took my daughter to the hunger games2 tickets- $102 drinks , 2 popcorns , 1 candy- $25 they get you in there and #### you

A good buddy of mine own's a theatre with great prices, and it helped we saw a matinee.Tickets - $4 each, $20.Large popcorn and 2 large drink combo (free refils on larges, so the kids share a pop, we all share the popcorn)-$10Twizzlers-$2.25Grand total-$32.25

 

[Lehigh98]

Best action movie I've ever seen, hands down. I'm not a comic guy or superhero guy either. That was a freaking awesome movie and funny as hell, too. The Hulk smashing Loke on the ground while he was still talking was awesome. Joss Whedon is brilliant. Robert Downey is freaking hilarios. I wish my son was old enough to enjoy it.

how olds your son? my son will be 3 in june and loves spiderman, hulk, and captain america. im gonna let him watch it when it comes out on blu ray. i think hell love it

Will be 2 in July.

My son is 5 and for the most part he's not allowed to watch any action movies that are PG-13. As far as we've gone is the Star Wars movies and Tron. Tron is really good because there's a lot of action but not much violence. I don't think a gun is fired in the entire movie.From what I know about Avengers, he won't be allowed to watch it for a while. Part of the issue is that he spends almost every waking hour acting out movies he's seen by running around the house, throwing stuff, and beating the crap out of his 3yo sister. So we try to keep the influence of that down until he matures a bit more.

Yeah, it might be too much for a kid under 7 or 8, imo. There is a little bit of blood.

Took my kids who just turned 6 and 4, they loved it.(Of course were a little bored at the slow start with little action)Laughed their arses off at the Hulk / Loki scene. ETA: Its funny how kids get so used to the conveniences of Tivo. At the beginning my 4 year old asked me if the theater had a remote and we could fast forward, after the Loki part he forgot he was in the theater and asked me to rewind.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

At the end of the standalone Hulk film they show Banner meditating and initiating a change into Hulk. The implication is that he's gaining more control of the process, and I think they essentially keep with that theme in Avengers.

 

[Defenze]

Saw it yesterday with my wife and three kids (step daughter-14, boys 10 and 8). We all enjoyed it. There's not many movies around we call all genuinely enjoy these days.

What was the cost for a family of 5?I took my daughter to the hunger games2 tickets- $102 drinks , 2 popcorns , 1 candy- $25 they get you in there and #### you

I don't buy popcorn anymore when I go to the movies. I stop at a store, buy a box of Milk Duds or a Milky Way, and stick it in my pocket. Pay for my ticket, which in my area for a Matinee showing is 6.50. Then I buy a small drink which is 8 oz. That cost me 3.00. (which IMO way to much) My cost for the whole shooting match is 9.50. If I had a wife and three kids...........wait for the DVD.

 

[Disco Stu]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

No, the Edward Norton film absolutely is. They actually have footage from that movie in Avengers.

 

[Disco Stu]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

No, the Edward Norton film absolutely is. They actually have footage from that movie in Avengers.

Huh. Alright. Thanks.I was hoping for a new Hulk movie starring Ruffalo and set prior to The Avengers.

 

[NCCommish]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

No, the Edward Norton film absolutely is. They actually have footage from that movie in Avengers.

Yeah they left out Ang but I'm pretty sure Norton's Hulk counts.

 

[NCCommish]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

No, the Edward Norton film absolutely is. They actually have footage from that movie in Avengers.

Huh. Alright. Thanks.I was hoping for a new Hulk movie starring Ruffalo and set prior to The Avengers.

I don't think Norton will ever be in another Marvel film. They despise him for the crap he pulled last time. Ruffalo will get the next movie long before Norton is asked.

 

[Premier]

What did Norton pull?

 

[NCCommish]

What did Norton pull?

From everything I read he was a real PITA diva type the whole time they filmed. He fought with everyone and made ridiculous demands. Not a team player:

"We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title role of Bruce Banner in the Avengers. Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the coming weeks."

Marvel Studios President of Production Kevin Feige

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

No, the Edward Norton film absolutely is. They actually have footage from that movie in Avengers.

Huh. Alright. Thanks.I was hoping for a new Hulk movie starring Ruffalo and set prior to The Avengers.

I don't think Norton will ever be in another Marvel film. They despise him for the crap he pulled last time. Ruffalo will get the next movie long before Norton is asked.

Ruffalo is signed to something like an 8 or 9 film deal, and Marvel is said to be looking hard at a new Hulk solo film given the great response to the character in The Avengers.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

Even though there was an after-credit scene with Tony Stark post Hulk? And didn't they refer to Hulk destroying Harlem or something?

 

[NCCommish]

So watched The Hulk this weekend trying to catch up on the back stories I hadn't seen yet and is it just me or was the heart rate concept they showed in The Hulk kind of like the midichlorians things from Star Wars Episode I in the way that they really felt that was a stupid concept and they wanted no part of it after seeing it in action. The only instance where they could have implied it was a factor was him on the ship but certainly don't remember any watch check scenes like in the Hulk where it seemed like he checked it every 2 minutes. Was that like, oops, hopefully people forget that was such a big deal in his stand alone?

Consider this Hulk to be a reboot. The previous Hulk movies aren't considered part of the back story for The Avengers.

No, the Edward Norton film absolutely is. They actually have footage from that movie in Avengers.

Huh. Alright. Thanks.I was hoping for a new Hulk movie starring Ruffalo and set prior to The Avengers.

I don't think Norton will ever be in another Marvel film. They despise him for the crap he pulled last time. Ruffalo will get the next movie long before Norton is asked.

Ruffalo is signed to something like an 8 or 9 film deal, and Marvel is said to be looking hard at a new Hulk solo film given the great response to the character in The Avengers.

Didn't know he was signed up long term. Good I think he makes a very good Banner and given that the Hulk was him he did a good job with that as well. Looking forward to it.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Ruffalo is signed to something like an 8 or 9 film deal, and Marvel is said to be looking hard at a new Hulk solo film given the great response to the character in The Avengers.

Didn't know he was signed up long term. Good I think he makes a very good Banner and given that the Hulk was him he did a good job with that as well. Looking forward to it.

Me too, but I'm concerned some of the same problems will plague a solo Hulk film regardless of the quality of the lead. Bana and Norton are both good actors, I think the quality of the writing and the nature of a supporting role really helped. A big issue is the amount of actual screen time you can give Hulk, given the cost involved in doing the CGI. If you have a 2 hour movie, and can only use Hulk in 20-30 minutes it's a lot of filler time.