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The Birther Conspiracy Thread (2 Viewers)

Quoting from Obama's speech today:

"We’re not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We’re not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers."

I think he was aiming "carnival barkers" at Trump.

 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue.

Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.

Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.

 
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I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
Yes, he's a moron....this isn't new :shrug:
 
Quoting from Obama's speech today:"We're not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers."I think he was aiming "carnival barkers" at Trump.
Obama needs an enemy like Ryan or Trump. He has not respect for the office and it is not in his DNA to be a statesman.
 
'Yankee23Fan said:
Statler: That act was full of layers.Waldorf: Huh? What?Statler: Layers, full of layers!Waldorf: Layers what?Statler: Hidden meanings.Waldorf: What were they hiding?Statler: Talent!
:lmao:
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
Well, when people are accusing a President of lying about his place of birth and claiming he was really born in Kenya, then I think his race is rather pertinent.
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
Well, when people are accusing a President of lying about his place of birth and claiming he was really born in Kenya, then I think his race is rather pertinent.
Because Kenya is a where African Americans are from? Can it be a place on the map other than the USA?
 
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, says that it's all well and good that President Obama has released his long-form birth certificate, but there are still several other questions about his "eligibility" and background that need answering. Among them: Why won't the President release his school records, and is he hiding the fact that he was on a foreign student scholarship?

In an interview with TPM, Phillips said that he's "glad" the President released the birth certificate, but he thinks that's just one part of the greater issue of his "eligibility." The new question? Whether President Obama is a natural-born citizen since his father was a British subject in Kenya. Another? Whether the President lost his citizenship when he was supposedly adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.

The first claim seems to have mutated from the theory that Obama is ineligible because his father is Kenyan and therefore the President has dual citizenship. Factcheck.org debunked this long ago, pointing out that Obama automatically lost any claim to Kenyan citizenship when he turned 23. As for the second claim, FactCheck points out that U.S. statute specifies that someone would have to be over 18 to lose their citizenship for that of another country, and Obama was six at the time the supposed adoption took place.

But color Phillips unconvinced. For one thing, "certainly a great deal of time and effort has been expended to keep [the birth certificate] secret, and the question he asks is: 'Why?'"

For another, Phillips wondered, why won't the President release his records from college? "I have found it very disturbing that president Obama has not released all his records," he told TPM, noting that there's a "rumor that Obama attended Occidental [College] on a scholarship reserved for foreign students."

That rumor seems to have originated from a chain e-mail based on a fake AP story.

Though Phillips said these are all important questions, he stipulated: "I'm a little bit more concerned about his attorney disciplinary record. That's certainly a whole lot more recent than the grades."

On the Tea Party Nation site, Phillips wrote on Wednesday that the Obama candidacy "could be mortally wounded if some of the other records reveal embarrassing things."

"The Democrats may actually want this to happen," he continued. "As gas prices rise and so does inflation, the chances of an Obama second term diminish. If something happened and the Democrats could replace Obama with someone else (Hillary Clinton?), that candidate could run against the Obama record as well as the Republicans, giving them a shot at keeping at least the White House in Democratic hands."

 
'MasterofOrion said:
'mcintyre1 said:
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
Hyperbole much? No one is "pulling out the race card" every time someone opposes Obama. Regardless, I don't even see how that's relevant. Birther's aren't "opposing" Obama. They're claiming that Obama isn't "one of us" and thus isn't qualified to be President. Now, seeing as we're talking about President of the United States here, "one of us" means wealthy, educated, white man. If Obama was exactly the same person, except he is now a white guy named Barry Owens: 1) the issue would have never been brought up in the first place (and no, McCain doesn't count you nut job), and 2) if by some miraculous happenstance, it DID get brought up, it would have died two years ago after he gave out his birth certificate.Face it MoO, you're a racist.
What do you mean I can't raise McCain. He ran against Obama and the left wanted to see his birth certificate. You want to re-write the rules and call me a nut job while you do it. Pathetic
Why can't you use McCain? Because those questions were started by nut ball Ron Paul-lites (note, NOT the left, I'm spelling it out pretty clearly here for you MoO) to try to boost the support for a primary candidate that never had a chance of winning.
 
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, says that it's all well and good that President Obama has released his long-form birth certificate, but there are still several other questions about his "eligibility" and background that need answering. Among them: Why won't the President release his school records, and is he hiding the fact that he was on a foreign student scholarship?

In an interview with TPM, Phillips said that he's "glad" the President released the birth certificate, but he thinks that's just one part of the greater issue of his "eligibility." The new question? Whether President Obama is a natural-born citizen since his father was a British subject in Kenya. Another? Whether the President lost his citizenship when he was supposedly adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.

The first claim seems to have mutated from the theory that Obama is ineligible because his father is Kenyan and therefore the President has dual citizenship. Factcheck.org debunked this long ago, pointing out that Obama automatically lost any claim to Kenyan citizenship when he turned 23. As for the second claim, FactCheck points out that U.S. statute specifies that someone would have to be over 18 to lose their citizenship for that of another country, and Obama was six at the time the supposed adoption took place.

But color Phillips unconvinced. For one thing, "certainly a great deal of time and effort has been expended to keep [the birth certificate] secret, and the question he asks is: 'Why?'"

For another, Phillips wondered, why won't the President release his records from college? "I have found it very disturbing that president Obama has not released all his records," he told TPM, noting that there's a "rumor that Obama attended Occidental [College] on a scholarship reserved for foreign students."

That rumor seems to have originated from a chain e-mail based on a fake AP story.

Though Phillips said these are all important questions, he stipulated: "I'm a little bit more concerned about his attorney disciplinary record. That's certainly a whole lot more recent than the grades."

On the Tea Party Nation site, Phillips wrote on Wednesday that the Obama candidacy "could be mortally wounded if some of the other records reveal embarrassing things."

"The Democrats may actually want this to happen," he continued. "As gas prices rise and so does inflation, the chances of an Obama second term diminish. If something happened and the Democrats could replace Obama with someone else (Hillary Clinton?), that candidate could run against the Obama record as well as the Republicans, giving them a shot at keeping at least the White House in Democratic hands."
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, must be a liberal. Why else is he keeping this story going?
 
'MasterofOrion said:
'mcintyre1 said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
'MasterofOrion said:
'mcintyre1 said:
Hyperbole much? No one is "pulling out the race card" every time someone opposes Obama. Regardless, I don't even see how that's relevant. Birther's aren't "opposing" Obama. They're claiming that Obama isn't "one of us" and thus isn't qualified to be President. Now, seeing as we're talking about President of the United States here, "one of us" means wealthy, educated, white man. If Obama was exactly the same person, except he is now a white guy named Barry Owens: 1) the issue would have never been brought up in the first place (and no, McCain doesn't count you nut job), and 2) if by some miraculous happenstance, it DID get brought up, it would have died two years ago after he gave out his birth certificate.Face it MoO, you're a racist.
Now that is hyperbole
Yes, let's cut that out, please. TIA.
No, I'll call a spade a spade.
I would get banned for that one.
I'm pretty sure he's a goner.
 
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'mcintyre1 said:
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
Hyperbole much? No one is "pulling out the race card" every time someone opposes Obama. Regardless, I don't even see how that's relevant. Birther's aren't "opposing" Obama. They're claiming that Obama isn't "one of us" and thus isn't qualified to be President. Now, seeing as we're talking about President of the United States here, "one of us" means wealthy, educated, white man. If Obama was exactly the same person, except he is now a white guy named Barry Owens: 1) the issue would have never been brought up in the first place (and no, McCain doesn't count you nut job), and 2) if by some miraculous happenstance, it DID get brought up, it would have died two years ago after he gave out his birth certificate.Face it MoO, you're a racist.
I care little for most of Master of Orion's opinions, but I don't believe he's a racist, and I don't think you have any evidence to prove otherwise.That being said, I'll repeat what I've written before: I believe that the root of this particular conspiracy has much to do with bigotry- not necessarily bigotry against Obama's skin color (though this is certainly part of it), but against his nationality and name.
 
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, says that it's all well and good that President Obama has released his long-form birth certificate, but there are still several other questions about his "eligibility" and background that need answering. Among them: Why won't the President release his school records, and is he hiding the fact that he was on a foreign student scholarship?

In an interview with TPM, Phillips said that he's "glad" the President released the birth certificate, but he thinks that's just one part of the greater issue of his "eligibility." The new question? Whether President Obama is a natural-born citizen since his father was a British subject in Kenya. Another? Whether the President lost his citizenship when he was supposedly adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.

The first claim seems to have mutated from the theory that Obama is ineligible because his father is Kenyan and therefore the President has dual citizenship. Factcheck.org debunked this long ago, pointing out that Obama automatically lost any claim to Kenyan citizenship when he turned 23. As for the second claim, FactCheck points out that U.S. statute specifies that someone would have to be over 18 to lose their citizenship for that of another country, and Obama was six at the time the supposed adoption took place.

But color Phillips unconvinced. For one thing, "certainly a great deal of time and effort has been expended to keep [the birth certificate] secret, and the question he asks is: 'Why?'"

For another, Phillips wondered, why won't the President release his records from college? "I have found it very disturbing that president Obama has not released all his records," he told TPM, noting that there's a "rumor that Obama attended Occidental [College] on a scholarship reserved for foreign students."

That rumor seems to have originated from a chain e-mail based on a fake AP story.

Though Phillips said these are all important questions, he stipulated: "I'm a little bit more concerned about his attorney disciplinary record. That's certainly a whole lot more recent than the grades."

On the Tea Party Nation site, Phillips wrote on Wednesday that the Obama candidacy "could be mortally wounded if some of the other records reveal embarrassing things."

"The Democrats may actually want this to happen," he continued. "As gas prices rise and so does inflation, the chances of an Obama second term diminish. If something happened and the Democrats could replace Obama with someone else (Hillary Clinton?), that candidate could run against the Obama record as well as the Republicans, giving them a shot at keeping at least the White House in Democratic hands."
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, must be a liberal. Why else is he keeping this story going?
It is true there are those to the right of Michelle Bachmann and Ann Coulter. But is is a very small group of people.
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
I've pulled the race card exactly once. This is it. Birthers see one thing--a black man in the White House. And they've latched onto this as their "legitimate" reason to think he doesn't deserve to be there. Everything else springs from this.
 
Why can't you use McCain? Because those questions were started by nut ball Ron Paul-lites (note, NOT the left, I'm spelling it out pretty clearly here for you MoO) to try to boost the support for a primary candidate that never had a chance of winning.
Are you calling Ron Paul a racist as well. On what grounds?Also it is widely believed that it was started by Hillary Clinton supporters.
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
Heres an idea stop watching MSNBC and FOX.
 
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, says that it's all well and good that President Obama has released his long-form birth certificate, but there are still several other questions about his "eligibility" and background that need answering. Among them: Why won't the President release his school records, and is he hiding the fact that he was on a foreign student scholarship?

In an interview with TPM, Phillips said that he's "glad" the President released the birth certificate, but he thinks that's just one part of the greater issue of his "eligibility." The new question? Whether President Obama is a natural-born citizen since his father was a British subject in Kenya. Another? Whether the President lost his citizenship when he was supposedly adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.

The first claim seems to have mutated from the theory that Obama is ineligible because his father is Kenyan and therefore the President has dual citizenship. Factcheck.org debunked this long ago, pointing out that Obama automatically lost any claim to Kenyan citizenship when he turned 23. As for the second claim, FactCheck points out that U.S. statute specifies that someone would have to be over 18 to lose their citizenship for that of another country, and Obama was six at the time the supposed adoption took place.

But color Phillips unconvinced. For one thing, "certainly a great deal of time and effort has been expended to keep [the birth certificate] secret, and the question he asks is: 'Why?'"

For another, Phillips wondered, why won't the President release his records from college? "I have found it very disturbing that president Obama has not released all his records," he told TPM, noting that there's a "rumor that Obama attended Occidental [College] on a scholarship reserved for foreign students."

That rumor seems to have originated from a chain e-mail based on a fake AP story.

Though Phillips said these are all important questions, he stipulated: "I'm a little bit more concerned about his attorney disciplinary record. That's certainly a whole lot more recent than the grades."

On the Tea Party Nation site, Phillips wrote on Wednesday that the Obama candidacy "could be mortally wounded if some of the other records reveal embarrassing things."

"The Democrats may actually want this to happen," he continued. "As gas prices rise and so does inflation, the chances of an Obama second term diminish. If something happened and the Democrats could replace Obama with someone else (Hillary Clinton?), that candidate could run against the Obama record as well as the Republicans, giving them a shot at keeping at least the White House in Democratic hands."
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, must be a liberal. Why else is he keeping this story going?
It is true there are those to the right of Michelle Bachmann and Ann Coulter. But is is a very small group of people.
Just because someone is a birther, it doesn't mean they're more or less to the right than your examples.
 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
I've pulled the race card exactly once. This is it. Birthers see one thing--a black man in the White House. And they've latched onto this as their "legitimate" reason to think he doesn't deserve to be there. Everything else springs from this.
You don't throw out the racist card often. Which makes me ask, do you have any proof of this. The tea party is a very wide brush to tar and feather with such a serious allegation.
 
That being said, I'll repeat what I've written before: I believe that the root of this particular conspiracy has much to do with bigotry- not necessarily bigotry against Obama's skin color (though this is certainly part of it), but against his nationality and name.
Bigotry against Americans?
 
To clarify, I think it's fine to speculate about the role that racism may play in the overall movement. But if you're going to call a specific poster here a racist, please include some specific evidence of it along with the charge.

 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
I've pulled the race card exactly once. This is it. Birthers see one thing--a black man in the White House. And they've latched onto this as their "legitimate" reason to think he doesn't deserve to be there. Everything else springs from this.
I agree, except that it's not simply that he's a black man. I honestly believe that if his name was Jack Johnson and he was from Louisiana, these people would be more willing to accept him. But he is of direct African descent with a Muslim name.
 
I also want to add that conservatives like Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann, despite their claims that they never bought into this issue, have actually contributed greatly to its popularity among the GOP. Rather than simply criticizing Obama's policies, they and others have gone out of their way to declare Obama's actions to be "unAmerican", and have used this and other code words on a constant basis to give off the impression that Obama is illegitmate, not really "one of us." Coulter has never failed to refer to the president as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama", constantly stressing his middle name- for what purpose?

 
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It was nice of Obama to finally splurge for the $10 and produce the thing. Was it really that hard? So in the end it was just a political tool to try to trap his opponents. Whatever, it should have been done three years ago instead of playing this mascaraed. Now we have a definitive answer on the hospital, the family whose father delivered the baby has a source of great pride, and there is no more trying to read the tea leafs wondering if Obama is hiding something. I still have no idea why some insist on injecting race into this issue.

 
I was watching Chris Mathews and his panel of liberals (Craps even Hannity has token Liberals his on panels). In any case he was talking broad brush stokes against most of the Republican party except Romney. So this vast number of Republicans are all of those to the right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann who both came out and stated flatly that the Birther issue is a non-issue. Then Chris and his panel went on to state that the birther issue was based in racism. WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Not only are most Republicans right of Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann but we are racists as well. Talk about taking a wacko extremist position in the name of lambasting your enemies as all being wacko. Also talk about being an irresponsible media, it doesn't get any worse than this.Chris Mathews, you have become exactly what you decry.
I don't see what's controversial about saying the birther 'movement' is founded in racism.
Oh get real. I think it is extremist to pull out the race card every time someone opposes Obama.
I've pulled the race card exactly once. This is it. Birthers see one thing--a black man in the White House. And they've latched onto this as their "legitimate" reason to think he doesn't deserve to be there. Everything else springs from this.
I agree, except that it's not simply that he's a black man. I honestly believe that if his name was Jack Johnson and he was from Louisiana, these people would be more willing to accept him. But he is of direct African descent with a Muslim name.
Sure, that makes it easier for them to claim it has nothing to do with race.
 
It was nice of Obama to finally splurge for the $10 and produce the thing. Was it really that hard? So in the end it was just a political tool to try to trap his opponents. Whatever, it should have been done three years ago instead of playing this mascaraed. Now we have a definitive answer on the hospital, the family whose father delivered the baby has a source of great pride, and there is no more trying to read the tea leafs wondering if Obama is hiding something. I still have no idea why some insist on injecting race into this issue.
That's it? Are you going to pretend that your dozens of posts on this subject, in which you made some very interesting assertions, never happened? The rest of us remember, if you don't.
 
I care little for most of Master of Orion's opinions, but I don't believe he's a racist, and I don't think you have any evidence to prove otherwise.That being said, I'll repeat what I've written before: I believe that the root of this particular conspiracy has much to do with bigotry- not necessarily bigotry against Obama's skin color (though this is certainly part of it), but against his nationality and name.
Kenya can be a place on the map other that the USA. It does not have to racist. MLK state we should view people based on the "content of their character" rather than the color of ones skin. We can see Kenya as a country rather that a country that has black people. The point is that we can move beyond color. We can see things from a human standpoint and not one based on color. IF you look at it this way Kenya is a foreign country that is filled with human beings who happen to be mostly black. But the operative word is human beings first.
 
It was nice of Obama to finally splurge for the $10 and produce the thing. Was it really that hard? So in the end it was just a political tool to try to trap his opponents. Whatever, it should have been done three years ago instead of playing this mascaraed. Now we have a definitive answer on the hospital, the family whose father delivered the baby has a source of great pride, and there is no more trying to read the tea leafs wondering if Obama is hiding something. I still have no idea why some insist on injecting race into this issue.
That's it? Are you going to pretend that your dozens of posts on this subject, in which you made some very interesting assertions, never happened? The rest of us remember, if you don't.
I am surprised he showed up at all
 
It was nice of Obama to finally splurge for the $10 and produce the thing. Was it really that hard? So in the end it was just a political tool to try to trap his opponents. Whatever, it should have been done three years ago instead of playing this mascaraed.
He splurged for the $10 three years ago, and posted his birth certificate then.What he posted today, there was no fee for. You can't get it by sending in an application with a fee. You can get it only by being President and pulling some strings.
 
I agree, except that it's not simply that he's a black man. I honestly believe that if his name was Jack Johnson and he was from Louisiana, these people would be more willing to accept him. But he is of direct African descent with a Muslim name.
I think we let our standards slide because he was black. He is not accepted because he is a horrible leader. He "leads from behind" is a great quote about Obama's managerial style.
 
Orly Taitz, the California dentist and lawyer who has led efforts to question President Barack Obama’s birth place, has moved on to a new conspiracy now that the White House has released his long-form birth certificate. In an interview with Washington Wire, she now says that Mr. Obama once used a Social Security number that was not assigned to him. Oh also, she claims he graduated from Columbia University in nine months, not two years, as he claims.

“I have to say that this is a step in the right direction,” she said of the release of the birth certificate, “just as the release of the Watergate tapes was a step in right direction by Richard Nixon. And like Richard Nixon, there’s a good chance this will cost him his presidency.”

Mr. Obama acknowledged Wednesday morning that the release of the birth certificate would not silence all of those pressing the issue of his legitimacy.

“I know that there’s going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest,” he said.

Ms. Taitz appears to underscore his contention. To her, the release of the document only brought up a rash of new questions. Why, she asked, is the race of the president’s father, Barack Hussein Obama, identified as “African”?

“It looks like terminology that would be used today, not 1961,” she said.

Why does is the address of the mother 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, not the address of the young parents but the address of Mr. Obama’s grandparents?

Then there’s the Social Security number that she says he once used but that was not his own.

Still, she was somewhat sanguine about the birth certificate at least.

“It is a much better document than we had before,” she said.

 
I agree, except that it's not simply that he's a black man. I honestly believe that if his name was Jack Johnson and he was from Louisiana, these people would be more willing to accept him. But he is of direct African descent with a Muslim name.
I think we let our standards slide because he was black. He is not accepted because he is a horrible leader. He "leads from behind" is a great quote about Obama's managerial style.
Yet, that has nothing to do with the birthers. Too bad they made fools of themselves by not focusing on that.
 
I'm done with this thread. Now there are insane people talking about college transcripts, dual-citizenship, adoption by the Indonesian dude etc.

It's very disturbing the amount of idiocy present in this country.

 
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The "Certificate of Live Birth" document released by the White House today, if authentic, assures Americans that their president was born in Hawaii as he has said, according to two participants in a lawsuit who challenged the president's tenure in the Oval Office.

But they say it also proves he's ineligible under the Constitution's requirements to be president.

According to Mario Apuzzo, the attorney who argued the Kerchner vs. Obama case, and the lead plaintiff, retired Navy Cmdr. Charles Kerchner, the documentation reveals that Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan national subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, was the father when Barack Obama Jr. was born.

That, they say, would disqualify Obama because of the Founders' requirement in the Constitution that a president be a "natural born Citizen," commonly understood during the era of the beginnings of the United States to mean a citizen offspring of two citizen parents.

The Kerchner vs. Obama case, as have some others, challenged Obama on two grounds: that he had not proven his U.S. birth and that even if that was documented, he stilled needed to meet the requirements of being a "natural born Citizen."

"They are going to have to face the music on this at some point," said Kerchner, whose allegations never were decided on their merits after the courts created a roadblock by determining Americans don't have "standing" to demand the Constitution's requirements be followed. Attorney Mario Apuzzo agreed.

"Assuming that it's valid, that he's born in Hawaii," he said, "It confirms who his father was. His father was not a citizen."

He said in American jurisprudence "there is not one case that says being born to an alien parent creates a natural born citizen."

But Apuzzo said the White House simply wants to ignore the Constitution's demand.

"It doesn't say born," he said. "They want to steamroll over 'natural born.'"

He said the problem, however, is getting a court to decide the dispute he raised. The seven or eight dozen cases brought so far largely have been turned back without a review of their actual merits.

Courts decided that plaintiffs don't have "standing," or an injury or possible injury from a violation of the U.S. Constitution, so the cases are thrown out.

Apuzzo said, however, with the flood of state proposals being considered at the legislative level, at some point a law specifically will give a plaintiff standing, and then a dispute could be argued in the state courts.

Kerchner also said it is inevitable that the courts will have to make a ruling on the arguments.

"The legal definition of the legal term of art will have to be litigated because of all the confusion that Obama and the Progressive/Socialists have introduced into that term," he told WND. "It will take a Supreme Court decision, a congressional investigation and hearing under oath, or both, to settle it. I gave the Congress the chance and asked for congressional investigations. They ignored me. I sue[d] Obama and the Congress and the courts ducked the issue. But they are going to have to face the music on this at some point."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292441#ixzz1KlyDr0q0

 
I'm done with this thread. Now there are insane people talking about college transcripts, dual-citizenship, adoption by the Indonesian dude etc. It's very disturbing the amount of idiocy present in this country.
I don't blame you. This thread started out as a sane, rational, discussion, but just lately the crazies have taken over.
 
I am clinging to the hope that since a doctor was involved maybe there was a c-section and his birth was not "natural". :popcorn:

 

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