The Birther Conspiracy Thread (2 Viewers)

[Sam Quentin]

Huckabee was confused

Nothing new or unexpected here.

I was just going to say that he was talking out of his ### about something which he knows nothing about...

 

[glock]

linky

Huckabee slams ‘sensationalized’ coverage of comments on Obama, Kenya

I'm not surprised the NY Times chose to sensationalize this story. In fact, the New York Times, the AP, and other news organizations ran with the "sensationalized story" despite being specifically told by [WOR radio host] Steve Malzberg himself that they were incorrect in their assessment of the sound bite. You just can't help but laugh when my simple slip of the tongue, becomes a huge story - and a certain Presidential candidate claiming to visit all 57 states, gets widely ignored.

The former governor of Arkansas incorrectly stated in a radio interview Monday that Obama holds a different perspective than most Americans because he was raised in Kenya. After the comment made headlines Tuesday, his camp told ABC News late in the day that Huckabee flubbed and simply said Kenya instead of Indonesia, where Obama spent a portion of his childhood.

Of course he steps right over that little blurb about the Mau-maus and all that. Last I checked they never were in Indonesia...

 

[TobiasFunke]

linky

Huckabee slams ‘sensationalized’ coverage of comments on Obama, Kenya

I'm not surprised the NY Times chose to sensationalize this story. In fact, the New York Times, the AP, and other news organizations ran with the "sensationalized story" despite being specifically told by [WOR radio host] Steve Malzberg himself that they were incorrect in their assessment of the sound bite. You just can't help but laugh when my simple slip of the tongue, becomes a huge story - and a certain Presidential candidate claiming to visit all 57 states, gets widely ignored.

The former governor of Arkansas incorrectly stated in a radio interview Monday that Obama holds a different perspective than most Americans because he was raised in Kenya. After the comment made headlines Tuesday, his camp told ABC News late in the day that Huckabee flubbed and simply said Kenya instead of Indonesia, where Obama spent a portion of his childhood.

Of course he steps right over that little blurb about the Mau-maus and all that. Last I checked they never were in Indonesia...

Come on. Be reasonable. I think it's quite clear that Huckabee said "Kenya" when he meant "Indonesia," said "Brits" when he meant "Dutch," said "gave back a bust of Winston Churchill" when he meant "skipped the Rembrandt room at the art gallery" and said "their view of the Mau Mau revolution" when he meant "their view of the historical importance of the Dutch East India Company."Simple slips of the tongue. Could happen to anyone.

 

[glock]

linky

Huckabee slams ‘sensationalized’ coverage of comments on Obama, Kenya

I'm not surprised the NY Times chose to sensationalize this story. In fact, the New York Times, the AP, and other news organizations ran with the "sensationalized story" despite being specifically told by [WOR radio host] Steve Malzberg himself that they were incorrect in their assessment of the sound bite. You just can't help but laugh when my simple slip of the tongue, becomes a huge story - and a certain Presidential candidate claiming to visit all 57 states, gets widely ignored.

The former governor of Arkansas incorrectly stated in a radio interview Monday that Obama holds a different perspective than most Americans because he was raised in Kenya. After the comment made headlines Tuesday, his camp told ABC News late in the day that Huckabee flubbed and simply said Kenya instead of Indonesia, where Obama spent a portion of his childhood.

Of course he steps right over that little blurb about the Mau-maus and all that. Last I checked they never were in Indonesia...

Come on. Be reasonable. I think it's quite clear that Huckabee said "Kenya" when he meant "Indonesia," said "Brits" when he meant "Dutch," said "gave back a bust of Winston Churchill" when he meant "skipped the Rembrandt room at the art gallery" and said "their view of the Mau Mau revolution" when he meant "their view of the historical importance of the Dutch East India Company."Simple slips of the tongue. Could happen to anyone.

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[pantagrapher]

linky

Huckabee slams ‘sensationalized’ coverage of comments on Obama, Kenya

I'm not surprised the NY Times chose to sensationalize this story. In fact, the New York Times, the AP, and other news organizations ran with the "sensationalized story" despite being specifically told by [WOR radio host] Steve Malzberg himself that they were incorrect in their assessment of the sound bite. You just can't help but laugh when my simple slip of the tongue, becomes a huge story - and a certain Presidential candidate claiming to visit all 57 states, gets widely ignored.

The former governor of Arkansas incorrectly stated in a radio interview Monday that Obama holds a different perspective than most Americans because he was raised in Kenya. After the comment made headlines Tuesday, his camp told ABC News late in the day that Huckabee flubbed and simply said Kenya instead of Indonesia, where Obama spent a portion of his childhood.

Of course he steps right over that little blurb about the Mau-maus and all that. Last I checked they never were in Indonesia...

How dare they publicize these comments I thought I would get away with.

 

[bigbottom]

linky

Huckabee slams ‘sensationalized’ coverage of comments on Obama, Kenya

I'm not surprised the NY Times chose to sensationalize this story. In fact, the New York Times, the AP, and other news organizations ran with the "sensationalized story" despite being specifically told by [WOR radio host] Steve Malzberg himself that they were incorrect in their assessment of the sound bite. You just can't help but laugh when my simple slip of the tongue, becomes a huge story - and a certain Presidential candidate claiming to visit all 57 states, gets widely ignored.

The former governor of Arkansas incorrectly stated in a radio interview Monday that Obama holds a different perspective than most Americans because he was raised in Kenya. After the comment made headlines Tuesday, his camp told ABC News late in the day that Huckabee flubbed and simply said Kenya instead of Indonesia, where Obama spent a portion of his childhood.

Of course he steps right over that little blurb about the Mau-maus and all that. Last I checked they never were in Indonesia...

Ouch. That's sorta sad.

 

[Choke]

Ouch. That's sorta sad.

I see you have met the entire birther movement.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Huckabee takes a second bite of the apple:

Fischer: "And so I'd like you to comment on that. You seem to think that there is some validity to the fact that there may be some fundamental anti-Americanism in this president."

Huckabee: "Well, that's exactly the point that I make in the book. And I don't know why these reporters -- maybe they can't read... And I have said many times publicly, that I do think [president Obama] has a different worldview and I think it's, in part, molded out of a very different experience. Most of us grew up going to Boy Scout meetings and, you know, our communities were filled with Rotary Clubs, not madrassas."

 

[CBusAlex]

It is called an analogy. Like Huckabee, Obama went on 3 or 4 statements explaining his mistaken comment.

It's not their fault. The liberal media wiped it under the rug quickly, so most people don't even know that Obama went on to name all 57 states, Howard Dean style, and ended up listing Canada, Puerto Rico, and the nightmare realm of R'lyeh.

 

[Lutherman2112]

It is called an analogy. Like Huckabee, Obama went on 3 or 4 statements explaining his mistaken comment.

It's not their fault. The liberal media wiped it under the rug quickly, so most people don't even know that Obama went on to name all 57 states, Howard Dean style, and ended up listing Canada, Puerto Rico, and the nightmare realm of R'lyeh.

This post is 100 proof awesome sauce.

 

[bueno]

It is called an analogy. Like Huckabee, Obama went on 3 or 4 statements explaining his mistaken comment.

It's not their fault. The liberal media wiped it under the rug quickly, so most people don't even know that Obama went on to name all 57 states, Howard Dean style, and ended up listing Canada, Puerto Rico, and the nightmare realm of R'lyeh.

Hey, it has occurred to me that the reason Michelle was never proud of the US until her husband was nominated was because neither of them knew that 7 states weren't.

 

[apalmer]

linky

Huckabee slams 'sensationalized' coverage of comments on Obama, Kenya

I'm not surprised the NY Times chose to sensationalize this story. In fact, the New York Times, the AP, and other news organizations ran with the "sensationalized story" despite being specifically told by [WOR radio host] Steve Malzberg himself that they were incorrect in their assessment of the sound bite. You just can't help but laugh when my simple slip of the tongue, becomes a huge story - and a certain Presidential candidate claiming to visit all 57 states, gets widely ignored.

The former governor of Arkansas incorrectly stated in a radio interview Monday that Obama holds a different perspective than most Americans because he was raised in Kenya. After the comment made headlines Tuesday, his camp told ABC News late in the day that Huckabee flubbed and simply said Kenya instead of Indonesia, where Obama spent a portion of his childhood.

Of course he steps right over that little blurb about the Mau-maus and all that. Last I checked they never were in Indonesia...

Come on. Be reasonable. I think it's quite clear that Huckabee said "Kenya" when he meant "Indonesia," said "Brits" when he meant "Dutch," said "gave back a bust of Winston Churchill" when he meant "skipped the Rembrandt room at the art gallery" and said "their view of the Mau Mau revolution" when he meant "their view of the historical importance of the Dutch East India Company."Simple slips of the tongue. Could happen to anyone.

What can you expect from a candidate who grew up as a cartoon dog? Of course he has a different view of the world.

 

[Orange Crush]

From the Washington Post:

Huckabee is pretending that [Obama] was raised by his father and grandfather in Kenya, and has a visceral hatred of Winston Churchill, when in reality he was raised largely by his white grandparents in Hawaii. Huckabee is proposing (tentatively) that the only reason to believe the president is not lying about his birth certificate is because the evil Clintons would have exposed him otherwise. He's suggesting that the liberal politics he embraced are, therefore, as David Frum wrote, of the "Kenyan anti-colonialism" thesis, "motivated by anti-white racial revenge."But Obama's actual life wouldn't confirm any of this. So conservatives have invented an alternate universe in which Obama's absent father raised him in Kenya to hate the British and that his entire administration is therefore an elaborate scheme for racial payback. The fiction is so pervasive that Huckabee appeared to think it was actually true. He had heard it so many times that he found himself repeating it with no self-consciousness whatsoever.

The question is not whether Obama's "personal background" plays a role in his politics. Everyone's personal background does. But if I said that Huckabee hates Obama because white conservatives from Arkansas hate black people because the National Guard was once called in to forcibly integrate schools in his home state, that would be outrageous, unfair, and false. That isn't much different from saying that Obama's policies are the result of him "growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather." It's the misinformation, in service of a grand fictional narrative, that's the problem.

 

[Bogeys]

Building on the whole pretense that Obama has a built in anti-west bias because of his upbringing- as though he were supporting some solid observations- is what makes it malicious. And even dumber.

We could argue all day about his intent, and nobody could win the argument. Just a bunch of speculating. I put out a possibility and so did you. Nothing we can resolve, it mostly depends on your view of Huckabee. I am not a Huckabee fan, but I think he tries to be honest. If you think he is a hack, nothing I can say to change that. He is probably a little a both. He thought he was being honest, but he ended up letting his bias take over.

ETA: He is a typical sleazy politician and will say anything to get elected. Absolutely not a conservative (except on some social issues), don't let his rhetoric fool you.

 

[timschochet]

I believe this was a calculated gamble by Huckabee to help him in the primaries, which unfortunately are going to heavily influenced by the sort of people who treat these stories in a serious manner (the latest polling shows that 41% of Republicans question Obama's birthplace and background.) But this sort of stuff will kill Huck in the general election, (not that he has any chance anyway.) And this is the dilemma the GOP faces. How much are they going to succumb to the extreme attitudes of the Tea Party and Birther types within their party? This next election cycle is going to be fascinating.

 

[matuski]

Conservative George Will slams Huckabee, Gingrich as 'careless,' 'delusional'http://http//news.yahoo.com/s/yblog...lams-huckabee-gingrich-as-careless-delusional

when Republicans such as Huckabee don't "recoil" from such positions, "the conservative party is indirectly injured.

He couldnt be more correct.These guys and this topic are the best thing Obama could ever hope for come 2012.

eta - no effing idea what is up with the fonts.

 

[jon_mx]

Building on the whole pretense that Obama has a built in anti-west bias because of his upbringing- as though he were supporting some solid observations- is what makes it malicious. And even dumber.

We could argue all day about his intent, and nobody could win the argument. Just a bunch of speculating. I put out a possibility and so did you. Nothing we can resolve, it mostly depends on your view of Huckabee. I am not a Huckabee fan, but I think he tries to be honest. If you think he is a hack, nothing I can say to change that. He is probably a little a both. He thought he was being honest, but he ended up letting his bias take over.

ETA: He is a typical sleazy politician and will say anything to get elected. Absolutely not a conservative (except on some social issues), don't let his rhetoric fool you.

Which is why I am not a fan. But I don't think most politicians are dishonest, they just try to frame arguments to rationalize their viewpoint.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Huckabee is toast IMO. He's been exposed as the moron that, for the past 4 years, most of us knew he was.

On an unrelated note, I hear a lot of talk about this Hillary angle. Suppose she did know. Would exposing it be a solid strategic end game to winning the Presidency? It might have gotten her through the primaries, but it would probably have divided the party. To dispose of your opponent on a technicality that is probably outdated by 150 or so years would be seen as bad form.

I think even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, and even if HRC was able to get proof, I don't think it would have been a winning play for her to expose that information

 

[timschochet]

Huckabee is toast IMO. He's been exposed as the moron that, for the past 4 years, most of us knew he was.On an unrelated note, I hear a lot of talk about this Hillary angle. Suppose she did know. Would exposing it be a solid strategic end game to winning the Presidency? It might have gotten her through the primaries, but it would probably have divided the party. To dispose of your opponent on a technicality that is probably outdated by 150 or so years would be seen as bad form. I think even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, and even if HRC was able to get proof, I don't think it would have been a winning play for her to expose that information

Waitaminnut. Let me get this straight. Now you're suggesting that Hillary knew Obama wasn't born in Hawaii,. but decided not to mention it because it would be bad form??? This thread just gets better and better.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Huckabee is toast IMO. He's been exposed as the moron that, for the past 4 years, most of us knew he was.On an unrelated note, I hear a lot of talk about this Hillary angle. Suppose she did know. Would exposing it be a solid strategic end game to winning the Presidency? It might have gotten her through the primaries, but it would probably have divided the party. To dispose of your opponent on a technicality that is probably outdated by 150 or so years would be seen as bad form. I think even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, and even if HRC was able to get proof, I don't think it would have been a winning play for her to expose that information

Waitaminnut. Let me get this straight. Now you're suggesting that Hillary knew Obama wasn't born in Hawaii,. but decided not to mention it because it would be bad form??? This thread just gets better and better.

sup·pose   /səˈpoʊz/ [suh-pohz] verb, -posed, -pos·ing. –verb (used with object) 1. to assume (something), as for the sake of argument or as part of a proposition or theory: Suppose the distance to be one mile. We've heard Huckabee and others speculate what Hillary would do with potentially damaging info if it were to exist. I'm not sure exposure would be thae card she would play in such a scenario

 

[bueno]

Huckabee is toast IMO. He's been exposed as the moron that, for the past 4 years, most of us knew he was.On an unrelated note, I hear a lot of talk about this Hillary angle. Suppose she did know. Would exposing it be a solid strategic end game to winning the Presidency? It might have gotten her through the primaries, but it would probably have divided the party. To dispose of your opponent on a technicality that is probably outdated by 150 or so years would be seen as bad form. I think even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, and even if HRC was able to get proof, I don't think it would have been a winning play for her to expose that information

Waitaminnut. Let me get this straight. Now you're suggesting that Hillary knew Obama wasn't born in Hawaii,. but decided not to mention it because it would be bad form??? This thread just gets better and better.

sup·pose   /səˈpoʊz/ [suh-pohz] verb, -posed, -pos·ing. –verb (used with object) 1. to assume (something), as for the sake of argument or as part of a proposition or theory: Suppose the distance to be one mile. We've heard Huckabee and others speculate what Hillary would do with potentially damaging info if it were to exist. I'm not sure exposure would be thae card she would play in such a scenario

She wouid not have to be the one exposing him. Leak it to the other side using a PAC.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Huckabee is toast IMO. He's been exposed as the moron that, for the past 4 years, most of us knew he was.On an unrelated note, I hear a lot of talk about this Hillary angle. Suppose she did know. Would exposing it be a solid strategic end game to winning the Presidency? It might have gotten her through the primaries, but it would probably have divided the party. To dispose of your opponent on a technicality that is probably outdated by 150 or so years would be seen as bad form. I think even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, and even if HRC was able to get proof, I don't think it would have been a winning play for her to expose that information

Waitaminnut. Let me get this straight. Now you're suggesting that Hillary knew Obama wasn't born in Hawaii,. but decided not to mention it because it would be bad form??? This thread just gets better and better.

sup·pose   /səˈpoʊz/ [suh-pohz] verb, -posed, -pos·ing. –verb (used with object) 1. to assume (something), as for the sake of argument or as part of a proposition or theory: Suppose the distance to be one mile. We've heard Huckabee and others speculate what Hillary would do with potentially damaging info if it were to exist. I'm not sure exposure would be thae card she would play in such a scenario

She wouid not have to be the one exposing him. Leak it to the other side using a PAC.

No matter how something like that came out, most people would assume she was behind it...

 

[pantagrapher]

Trump Goes Full Birther: 'I Am Really Concerned' Obama Not Born In USAJillian Rayfield | March 28, 2011, 11:19AM Donald Trump tripled (quadrupled?) down on his emerging birtherism this morning on Fox & Friends, saying that since he first brought up the issue, "all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."Trump was on Fox News to discuss a recent blow-up between him and Whoopi Goldberg over the issue on The View. Goldberg suggested that this issue was about race, because she's "never heard any white President" being asked to produce a birth certificate in the same way.Trump called it "insulting" that Goldberg characterized it this way, and asked: "What does that have to do with race?"He continued: "Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you can not be president."When asked if he thought Obama was born in this country, Trump replied: "I am really concerned." He also suggested that since the birth announcement was placed in the paper "days after [Obama] was born]," he "could have come into the country and [placed the ad] for social reasons."Trump also said he doesn't buy that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) remembers when Obama was born, like he has previously said. "I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."

 

[bueno]

Trump Goes Full Birther: 'I Am Really Concerned' Obama Not Born In USAJillian Rayfield | March 28, 2011, 11:19AM Donald Trump tripled (quadrupled?) down on his emerging birtherism this morning on Fox & Friends, saying that since he first brought up the issue, "all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."Trump was on Fox News to discuss a recent blow-up between him and Whoopi Goldberg over the issue on The View. Goldberg suggested that this issue was about race, because she's "never heard any white President" being asked to produce a birth certificate in the same way.Trump called it "insulting" that Goldberg characterized it this way, and asked: "What does that have to do with race?"He continued: "Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you can not be president."When asked if he thought Obama was born in this country, Trump replied: "I am really concerned." He also suggested that since the birth announcement was placed in the paper "days after [Obama] was born]," he "could have come into the country and [placed the ad] for social reasons."Trump also said he doesn't buy that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) remembers when Obama was born, like he has previously said. "I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

 

[matuski]

Trump Goes Full Birther: 'I Am Really Concerned' Obama Not Born In USAJillian Rayfield | March 28, 2011, 11:19AM Donald Trump tripled (quadrupled?) down on his emerging birtherism this morning on Fox & Friends, saying that since he first brought up the issue, "all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."Trump was on Fox News to discuss a recent blow-up between him and Whoopi Goldberg over the issue on The View. Goldberg suggested that this issue was about race, because she's "never heard any white President" being asked to produce a birth certificate in the same way.Trump called it "insulting" that Goldberg characterized it this way, and asked: "What does that have to do with race?"He continued: "Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you can not be president."When asked if he thought Obama was born in this country, Trump replied: "I am really concerned." He also suggested that since the birth announcement was placed in the paper "days after [Obama] was born]," he "could have come into the country and [placed the ad] for social reasons."Trump also said he doesn't buy that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) remembers when Obama was born, like he has previously said. "I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."

There went his presidential hopes.

 

[Slapdash]

Trump Goes Full Birther: 'I Am Really Concerned' Obama Not Born In USAJillian Rayfield | March 28, 2011, 11:19AM Donald Trump tripled (quadrupled?) down on his emerging birtherism this morning on Fox & Friends, saying that since he first brought up the issue, "all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."Trump was on Fox News to discuss a recent blow-up between him and Whoopi Goldberg over the issue on The View. Goldberg suggested that this issue was about race, because she's "never heard any white President" being asked to produce a birth certificate in the same way.Trump called it "insulting" that Goldberg characterized it this way, and asked: "What does that have to do with race?"He continued: "Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you can not be president."When asked if he thought Obama was born in this country, Trump replied: "I am really concerned." He also suggested that since the birth announcement was placed in the paper "days after [Obama] was born]," he "could have come into the country and [placed the ad] for social reasons."Trump also said he doesn't buy that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) remembers when Obama was born, like he has previously said. "I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."

There went his presidential hopes.

Not likely, in the GOP 2012 field it is practically a requirement to be a birther.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

He was a friend of Obama's parents.

 

[bueno]

Trump Goes Full Birther: 'I Am Really Concerned' Obama Not Born In USAJillian Rayfield | March 28, 2011, 11:19AM Donald Trump tripled (quadrupled?) down on his emerging birtherism this morning on Fox & Friends, saying that since he first brought up the issue, "all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."Trump was on Fox News to discuss a recent blow-up between him and Whoopi Goldberg over the issue on The View. Goldberg suggested that this issue was about race, because she's "never heard any white President" being asked to produce a birth certificate in the same way.Trump called it "insulting" that Goldberg characterized it this way, and asked: "What does that have to do with race?"He continued: "Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you can not be president."When asked if he thought Obama was born in this country, Trump replied: "I am really concerned." He also suggested that since the birth announcement was placed in the paper "days after [Obama] was born]," he "could have come into the country and [placed the ad] for social reasons."Trump also said he doesn't buy that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) remembers when Obama was born, like he has previously said. "I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."

There went his presidential hopes.

I doubt he had any chance anyway. But then Minnesota had a givernor that was a professional wrestler, California had two that were actors, etc.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Trump Goes Full Birther: 'I Am Really Concerned' Obama Not Born In USAJillian Rayfield | March 28, 2011, 11:19AM Donald Trump tripled (quadrupled?) down on his emerging birtherism this morning on Fox & Friends, saying that since he first brought up the issue, "all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."Trump was on Fox News to discuss a recent blow-up between him and Whoopi Goldberg over the issue on The View. Goldberg suggested that this issue was about race, because she's "never heard any white President" being asked to produce a birth certificate in the same way.Trump called it "insulting" that Goldberg characterized it this way, and asked: "What does that have to do with race?"He continued: "Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you can not be president."When asked if he thought Obama was born in this country, Trump replied: "I am really concerned." He also suggested that since the birth announcement was placed in the paper "days after [Obama] was born]," he "could have come into the country and [placed the ad] for social reasons."Trump also said he doesn't buy that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) remembers when Obama was born, like he has previously said. "I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."

Jesus.

 

[bueno]

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

He was a friend of Obama's parents.

Well so he says, but if he were a fried of Obama's he would have advised him to release the long form birth certificate and we wouldn't have this stupid issue.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

He was a friend of Obama's parents.

Well so he says, but if he were a fried of Obama's he would have advised him to release the long form birth certificate and we wouldn't have this stupid issue.

This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard in the past month. That's quite an accomplishment.

 

[pantagrapher]

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

He was a friend of Obama's parents.

Well so he says, but if he were a fried of Obama's he would have advised him to release the long form birth certificate and we wouldn't have this stupid issue.

Here we go.

 

[bueno]

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

He was a friend of Obama's parents.

Well so he says, but if he were a fried of Obama's he would have advised him to release the long form birth certificate and we wouldn't have this stupid issue.

This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard in the past month. That's quite an accomplishment.

I'm not sure why it is ridiculous. This issue wouldn't exist if Obama released his long form certificate.What it has shown us though, is that we need a procedure for vetting Presidential eligibility. If I want a passport, there is a list of documents that are accepted as valid identification and valid proof of citizenship. Why not have a published list for Presidential candidates too?

 

[Shtaym Syek]

This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard in the past month. That's quite an accomplishment.

I'm not sure why it is ridiculous.

I know, gb. I know.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

 

[matuski]

Birther or not, I seriously doubt Abercrombie remembered when Obama was born. I mean, his parents were hardly as well-known as the Kennedys or even some TV celebrity.

He was a friend of Obama's parents.

Well so he says, but if he were a fried of Obama's he would have advised him to release the long form birth certificate and we wouldn't have this stupid issue.

This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard in the past month. That's quite an accomplishment.

I'm not sure why it is ridiculous. This issue wouldn't exist if Obama released his long form certificate.What it has shown us though, is that we need a procedure for vetting Presidential eligibility. If I want a passport, there is a list of documents that are accepted as valid identification and valid proof of citizenship. Why not have a published list for Presidential candidates too?

I can only repeat again.. this "issue" only helps Obama.You guys couldn'y hurt yourselves more.

 

[jon_mx]

Obama happens!

 

[Bronco Billy]

I'm not sure why it is ridiculous. This issue wouldn't exist if Obama released his long form certificate.What it has shown us though, is that we need a procedure for vetting Presidential eligibility. If I want a passport, there is a list of documents that are accepted as valid identification and valid proof of citizenship. Why not have a published list for Presidential candidates too?

Let it go, bueno.It makes perfect sense to the Obots that Obama would spend well over $2M in legal fees blocking challenges into his past, most particularly regarding his birth, than it would to simply produce his BC and prove his case definitively. You can't convince them otherwise.

 

[the moops]

I am so happy this thread lives. Gold.

 

[flufhed]

Huckabee is toast IMO. He's been exposed as the moron that, for the past 4 years, most of us knew he was.On an unrelated note, I hear a lot of talk about this Hillary angle. Suppose she did know. Would exposing it be a solid strategic end game to winning the Presidency? It might have gotten her through the primaries, but it would probably have divided the party. To dispose of your opponent on a technicality that is probably outdated by 150 or so years would be seen as bad form. I think even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, and even if HRC was able to get proof, I don't think it would have been a winning play for her to expose that information

Waitaminnut. Let me get this straight. Now you're suggesting that Hillary knew Obama wasn't born in Hawaii,. but decided not to mention it because it would be bad form??? This thread just gets better and better.

sup·pose   /səˈpoʊz/ [suh-pohz] verb, -posed, -pos·ing. –verb (used with object) 1. to assume (something), as for the sake of argument or as part of a proposition or theory: Suppose the distance to be one mile. We've heard Huckabee and others speculate what Hillary would do with potentially damaging info if it were to exist. I'm not sure exposure would be thae card she would play in such a scenario

She wouid not have to be the one exposing him. Leak it to the other side using a PAC.

No matter how something like that came out, most people would assume she was behind it...

The Clintons sure held back on questioning his background in the primaries.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

$2M in legal fees

 

[glock]

If... after Obama's term(s) come to an end- and it is then proven that he most definitely was NOT born in this country- would that mean that we would have to surrender all trophies and medals won during his presidency?

TIA

 

[TylerRoseFan]

OK, so I haven't followed this very closely. FTR I'm right leaning. When the idea of his birth certificate first came out I dismissed it as absurd...assuming he provided one. So now they are saying that he didn't provide the right one? There's a long form that is more official? Am I missing something? If it's not a big deal to him, shouldn't he just have the state provide the long form? I seriously thought this was settled last year....

What am I missing?

 

[timschochet]

I'm not sure why it is ridiculous. This issue wouldn't exist if Obama released his long form certificate.What it has shown us though, is that we need a procedure for vetting Presidential eligibility. If I want a passport, there is a list of documents that are accepted as valid identification and valid proof of citizenship. Why not have a published list for Presidential candidates too?

Let it go, bueno.It makes perfect sense to the Obots that Obama would spend well over $2M in legal fees blocking challenges into his past, most particularly regarding his birth, than it would to simply produce his BC and prove his case definitively. You can't convince them otherwise.

You guys, they're on to us! They've figured it out! Everyone: deny deny deny!!!

 

[Cliff Clavin]

OK, so I haven't followed this very closely. FTR I'm right leaning. When the idea of his birth certificate first came out I dismissed it as absurd...assuming he provided one. So now they are saying that he didn't provide the right one? There's a long form that is more official? Am I missing something? If it's not a big deal to him, shouldn't he just have the state provide the long form? I seriously thought this was settled last year....What am I missing?

He's not showing because he enjoys watching the fools rant and rave about it as much as we do.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

OK, so I haven't followed this very closely. FTR I'm right leaning. When the idea of his birth certificate first came out I dismissed it as absurd...assuming he provided one. So now they are saying that he didn't provide the right one? There's a long form that is more official? Am I missing something? If it's not a big deal to him, shouldn't he just have the state provide the long form? I seriously thought this was settled last year....What am I missing?

He's not showing because he enjoys watching the fools rant and rave about it as much as we do.

It's actually probably politically beneficial to have a certain segment of the Republican party harp on this.

 

[igbomb]

So bueno appears to be a voice of reason in the Japan nuclear reactor thread, and I'm totally with him in that one.

And then he seems to be a complete lunatic in this thread, and I couldn't be more misaligned.

My view must be totally jacked on one of these two issues.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

So bueno appears to be a voice of reason in the Japan nuclear reactor thread, and I'm totally with him in that one.And then he seems to be a complete lunatic in this thread, and I couldn't be more misaligned.My view must be totally jacked on one of these two issues.

Maybe not. He's pretty rational when talking about issues where he's got knowledge, and not a ton of emotional investment. He tends to go off the deep end when he digs his heels in on Obama.

 

[Bronco Billy]

OK, so I haven't followed this very closely. FTR I'm right leaning. When the idea of his birth certificate first came out I dismissed it as absurd...assuming he provided one. So now they are saying that he didn't provide the right one? There's a long form that is more official? Am I missing something? If it's not a big deal to him, shouldn't he just have the state provide the long form? I seriously thought this was settled last year....What am I missing?

He's not showing because he enjoys watching the fools rant and rave about it as much as we do.

I manage to find enjoyment laughing at fools without having to spend over $2M to do it.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

OK, so I haven't followed this very closely. FTR I'm right leaning. When the idea of his birth certificate first came out I dismissed it as absurd...assuming he provided one. So now they are saying that he didn't provide the right one? There's a long form that is more official? Am I missing something? If it's not a big deal to him, shouldn't he just have the state provide the long form? I seriously thought this was settled last year....What am I missing?

He's not showing because he enjoys watching the fools rant and rave about it as much as we do.

I manage to find enjoyment laughing at fools without having to spend over $2M to do it.

I took the bait. I Google searched this - and all you find are blogs citing "various media sources" (no links) saying that this has cost 2 million dollars. It looks like one of those numbers that has gotten thrown out there, it looks good, so it has stuck with no facts behind it.Prove me wrong.