The Birther Conspiracy Thread (4 Viewers)

[Joe Summer]

Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?

 

[The Commish]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

The actual number is unknownwe can compare the campiagns' post-election legal spending and see that McCain spent 1.3 million and Obama over 2 million. We also know that at least 18 suits were filed.I'd WAG a couple hundred K

18 suits filed by whom?

Taitz, Keyes, Doniforio (sp?), Martin others

So why are folks upset with Obama if these morons are bringing these suits against him? Why wouldn't they be upset at them?

I think the crux of the suits was to prove his eligibility in a court of law by providing the requested document. He has every right and then some to file briefs to get the cases dismissed. What people are saying is that he spent money and time to avoid providing the document rather than providing the document. He has every right to do so, but people were questioning the justification for that decision from a financial standpoint. The only people that seem to upset are those bringing up Col deserter.

He gave them certified documents 2.5 years ago. For normal people, that ended it. For these people, not so much. It was a bogus witch hunt. Let's not give these loon a pass. They were just as responsible for bringing the suits in the first place as Obama was for defending himself.

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Not two months ago, I saw some dope on Fox News trying to squash this nonsense (to their credit for a change) and had a physical copy of what was given out saying it was legit. It was posted for the world to see AND there was hard copy. Do you expect Obama to mail you a personal copy so you can feel and touch it yourself?

 

[TinHat]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

The actual number is unknownwe can compare the campiagns' post-election legal spending and see that McCain spent 1.3 million and Obama over 2 million. We also know that at least 18 suits were filed.I'd WAG a couple hundred K

18 suits filed by whom?

Taitz, Keyes, Doniforio (sp?), Martin others

So why are folks upset with Obama if these morons are bringing these suits against him? Why wouldn't they be upset at them?

I think the crux of the suits was to prove his eligibility in a court of law by providing the requested document. He has every right and then some to file briefs to get the cases dismissed. What people are saying is that he spent money and time to avoid providing the document rather than providing the document. He has every right to do so, but people were questioning the justification for that decision from a financial standpoint. The only people that seem to upset are those bringing up Col deserter.

He gave them certified documents 2.5 years ago. For normal people, that ended it. For these people, not so much. It was a bogus witch hunt. Let's not give these loon a pass. They were just as responsible for bringing the suits in the first place as Obama was for defending himself.

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Not two months ago, I saw some dope on Fox News trying to squash this nonsense (to their credit for a change) and had a physical copy of what was given out saying it was legit. It was posted for the world to see AND there was hard copy. Do you expect Obama to mail you a personal copy so you can feel and touch it yourself?

Two months ago, not three years ago.Who from Fox did they allow to have the hard copy?When factcheck.org did their check they had to send two staffers over to the campaign headquarters

 

[timschochet]

The only reason he "gave in" yesterday is because the Republican party was embarrassing itself with its poll results. It's you guys, not him, that should be ashamed of yourselves.

I have a theory as to why so many were inclined to believe Obama's birth certificate would reveal something negative.It's like a wife who knows her husband is cheating. There have been nights in the past where he was out late, but when the wife asked him if he was with another woman -- he denied it. This becomes a recurring pattern and a paranoia builds in the wife's head. Then, one night, hubby goes out with the boys after work. When wifey confronts him on it he says he was out with the guys, but she refuses to believe this truth because she knows the husband concealed that he was with another woman during those other nights out.Plenty of Birthers are racists, plenty aren't racist but honestly believed Obama was born elsewhere, and plenty took the position that so many other less desirable aspects about Obama have not been properly vetted by the media so why not this? Obama was telling the truth about his birth, but many couldn't accept it because of how the media covered up other negatives from Obama's past. Had the media been more truthful and thorough in vetting those other past aspects, I bet many would have felt more comfortable that the media got it right again when they refuted Birther claims.If you're tossing shame around for those high Birther figures, apportion a little to the media.

You (along with many other conservatives) seem to be trying to do everything you can to escape responsibility for mess. But you can't.It was conservatives who from the time of Obama's nomination suggested that he was somehow "unAmerican". It was conservatives who stressed Obama's middle name at every opportunity. It was conservatives who, rather than simply take issue with Obama's policies, called them "treasonous", "anti-American", "unpatriotic", "Marxist", and repeatedly said that "Obama doesn't respect traditional American values." It was conservatives who constantly told us about Obama "kowtowing to our enemies." A recent example from early this week: Obama criticized on Fox News for not having an Easter message, but for sending out a message earlier to celebrate Ramadan. It was never mentioned that none of the previous 4 presidents ever released an Easter message, or that George W. Bush also sent out a Ramadan message. The story was then repeated and talked about by Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. on their radio shows. The implication: Obama is more sympathetic to Islam than he is to Christianity. Now you guys have to reap what you sow. It should be no surprise to anyone that after years of "respectable" conservatives spreading the idea that Obama was unAmerican, you would end up with a majority of Republicans questioning the fact that he is American, and buying into stupid conspiracy theories like this one. Don't blame the media, don't blame liberals. Don't blame Obama. In fact, don't blame the opportunists like WorldNetDaily- they're only out to make a fast buck, after all. Blame yourselves. You're responsible.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

We know that Alex Jones is a 9/11 truther. We also know that all 9/11 conspiracy theorists are liberals. Therefore we can easily prove that Alex Jones is a liberal who is fanning the flames of this story in an attempt to distract people from important issues... like the use of HAARP as an experimental mind control device.

 

[The Commish]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

The actual number is unknownwe can compare the campiagns' post-election legal spending and see that McCain spent 1.3 million and Obama over 2 million. We also know that at least 18 suits were filed.I'd WAG a couple hundred K

18 suits filed by whom?

Taitz, Keyes, Doniforio (sp?), Martin others

So why are folks upset with Obama if these morons are bringing these suits against him? Why wouldn't they be upset at them?

I think the crux of the suits was to prove his eligibility in a court of law by providing the requested document. He has every right and then some to file briefs to get the cases dismissed. What people are saying is that he spent money and time to avoid providing the document rather than providing the document. He has every right to do so, but people were questioning the justification for that decision from a financial standpoint. The only people that seem to upset are those bringing up Col deserter.

He gave them certified documents 2.5 years ago. For normal people, that ended it. For these people, not so much. It was a bogus witch hunt. Let's not give these loon a pass. They were just as responsible for bringing the suits in the first place as Obama was for defending himself.

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Not two months ago, I saw some dope on Fox News trying to squash this nonsense (to their credit for a change) and had a physical copy of what was given out saying it was legit. It was posted for the world to see AND there was hard copy. Do you expect Obama to mail you a personal copy so you can feel and touch it yourself?

Two months ago, not three years ago.Who from Fox did they allow to have the hard copy?When factcheck.org did their check they had to send two staffers over to the campaign headquarters

I have no idea and don't really care. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I wish I could find the clip, but the way they presented it was that the document the guy was holding in his hand was given to them many many many months ago. The reality is, it doesn't matter...the birthers have made their conclusions and will spare no expense to their integrity and/or credibility to bend the evidence to fit their conclusions. They aren't the first group to do it and won't be the last. It happens all the time. Can't cure stupid.ETA: We are WAY off my point though, which was be as angry at the people suing Obama as you are at Obama for defending himself.

 

[TinHat]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

The actual number is unknownwe can compare the campiagns' post-election legal spending and see that McCain spent 1.3 million and Obama over 2 million. We also know that at least 18 suits were filed.I'd WAG a couple hundred K

18 suits filed by whom?

Taitz, Keyes, Doniforio (sp?), Martin others

So why are folks upset with Obama if these morons are bringing these suits against him? Why wouldn't they be upset at them?

I think the crux of the suits was to prove his eligibility in a court of law by providing the requested document. He has every right and then some to file briefs to get the cases dismissed. What people are saying is that he spent money and time to avoid providing the document rather than providing the document. He has every right to do so, but people were questioning the justification for that decision from a financial standpoint. The only people that seem to upset are those bringing up Col deserter.

He gave them certified documents 2.5 years ago. For normal people, that ended it. For these people, not so much. It was a bogus witch hunt. Let's not give these loon a pass. They were just as responsible for bringing the suits in the first place as Obama was for defending himself.

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Not two months ago, I saw some dope on Fox News trying to squash this nonsense (to their credit for a change) and had a physical copy of what was given out saying it was legit. It was posted for the world to see AND there was hard copy. Do you expect Obama to mail you a personal copy so you can feel and touch it yourself?

Two months ago, not three years ago.Who from Fox did they allow to have the hard copy?When factcheck.org did their check they had to send two staffers over to the campaign headquarters

Ultimately, I think they wanted to compel the release of the brth info directly from the State of Hawaii without having to rely on the White House and/or the media to sufficiently vet the document

 

[Christo]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

The actual number is unknownwe can compare the campiagns' post-election legal spending and see that McCain spent 1.3 million and Obama over 2 million. We also know that at least 18 suits were filed.I'd WAG a couple hundred K

18 suits filed by whom?

Taitz, Keyes, Doniforio (sp?), Martin others

So why are folks upset with Obama if these morons are bringing these suits against him? Why wouldn't they be upset at them?

I think the crux of the suits was to prove his eligibility in a court of law by providing the requested document. He has every right and then some to file briefs to get the cases dismissed. What people are saying is that he spent money and time to avoid providing the document rather than providing the document. He has every right to do so, but people were questioning the justification for that decision from a financial standpoint. The only people that seem to upset are those bringing up Col deserter.

He gave them certified documents 2.5 years ago. For normal people, that ended it. For these people, not so much. It was a bogus witch hunt. Let's not give these loon a pass. They were just as responsible for bringing the suits in the first place as Obama was for defending himself.

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Not two months ago, I saw some dope on Fox News trying to squash this nonsense (to their credit for a change) and had a physical copy of what was given out saying it was legit. It was posted for the world to see AND there was hard copy. Do you expect Obama to mail you a personal copy so you can feel and touch it yourself?

Two months ago, not three years ago.Who from Fox did they allow to have the hard copy?When factcheck.org did their check they had to send two staffers over to the campaign headquarters

OMG! You mean they actually had to go to Obama's HQ to see the official document?!?!?!? He didn't mail a copy to every god-fearing, red-blooded American adult so they can see for themselves?!?!?!Do you also refuse to believe the sign in the elevator that says the inspection certificate is available in the office of the building during regular business hours?

 

[the moops]

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Which is exactly what he did yesterday as well.

 

[The Commish]

Ultimately, I think they wanted to compel the release of the brth info directly from the State of Hawaii without having to rely on the White House and/or the media to sufficiently vet the document

After the reading all the responses from the release yesterday, I am confident this would not have mattered one single bit.

 

[The Commish]

he posted an image on a website as his proof

Which is exactly what he did yesterday as well.

Right. It doesn't matter how information is presented when the conclusions are already made and the whackos aren't really interested in the truth.

 

[timschochet]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

 

[The Commish]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

Well, at least we'll continue to have some crazy through the dog days of summer.

 

[TinHat]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

Well, at least we'll continue to have some crazy through the dog days of summer.

Financially, they need to keep this thing alive at least until the book release....

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

I posted an article about this earlier in the thread.The short answer is that both the Obama and the McCain campaigns have spent over a million dollars in legal fees since the election — ordinary fees to wind down the campaigns, etc. The World Net Daily assumed that 100% of the legal fees spent by the Obama campaign were to fight birther suits. (They presumably didn't make the same assumption about the legal fees spent by the McCain campaign.) The assumption was stupid and incorrect. Obama spent more than zero on birther suits (as he was forced to do), but probably not a whole lot more than zero.

 

[TobiasFunke]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today. I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

 

[saintfool]

We know that Alex Jones is a 9/11 truther. We also know that all 9/11 conspiracy theorists are liberals. Therefore we can easily prove that Alex Jones is a liberal who is fanning the flames of this story in an attempt to distract people from important issues... like the use of HAARP as an experimental mind control device.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

 

[The Commish]

Ok...so I asked this question a while ago but it got lost in the crazy. I keep hearing (not just here) that Obama spent XXX amount of money in legal fees to keep this quiet. What exactly did that money go to? What did he have to actively pay for to keep this quiet? Because if he really did spend all that money, he's really no better than the whacko birthers.

I posted an article about this earlier in the thread.The short answer is that both the Obama and the McCain campaigns have spent over a million dollars in legal fees since the election — ordinary fees to wind down the campaigns, etc. The World Net Daily assumed that 100% of the legal fees spent by the Obama campaign were to fight birther suits. (They presumably didn't make the same assumption about the legal fees spent by the McCain campaign.) The assumption was stupid and incorrect. Obama spent more than zero on birther suits (as he was forced to do), but probably not a whole lot more than zero.

Yeah...Tobias set me straight. Thanks for the info!

 

[TobiasFunke]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.

 

[The Commish]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.

So you're asking what conspiracy theory from the left rivals that of this one from the right?

 

[TobiasFunke]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.

So you're asking what conspiracy theory from the left rivals that of this one from the right?

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

 

[Mister Martie]

I freely concede Obama was born in Hawaii - and I don't qualify his claim to citizenship at all. I have been consistent with that position all along. How does that make me a Birther again?

What I don't understand, if there is no basis for any of this, is why Obama simply won't release his birth certificate and allow access to his college records.

He does that and any controversy is over, period, and all conspiracy theorists have egg all over their face. Instead, he invests a million dollars a year every year in paying a law firm to ensure that no one has any access to any of these records. He's intentionally giving credibility to the argument.

That looks like smoke to me. Is there fire?

I don't know if he is a natural born citizen or not. I haven't seen sufficient proof either way to convince me. I do know that the Constitution requires of a President that they be a natural born citizen of the United States.

Answer me this: Why did the hospital he was born in change in the past month or so?

He was originally supposedly born at Queen's Medical Center, but recently his official place of birth changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center. How does that happen?

[Whoopi]

Well what do you think?

[/Whoopi]

I honestly don't know. I do know that if this evolves into something substantial it could amount to a massive black eye for us, which I'd sincerely prefer not to see. I'd just like to see some verification. I also am practical enough to know that I probably never will and that the debate will continue to evolve into more name calling rather than a calling for facts.

Consistency from day one.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Does anyone read left wing websites? I figure I could just go to www.communism.org to find out all I need to know.

 

[Jewell]

Even people who don't like Rand Paul's politics should find this amusing...

“I’ve come to New Hampshire today because I’m very concerned,” Paul said. “I want to see the original long-form certificate, with embossed seal, of Donald Trump’s Republican registration.”

“Seriously don’t you think we need to see that?” he said, adding that Trump had donated to Democrats such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. (Link)

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

Just to be clear what are the specific insane things the right is saying today? Is it that the document is fake? Pretty sure thats been proven.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I think the Truthers are somewhat comparable to the Birthers.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

Just to be clear what are the specific insane things the right is saying today? Is it that the document is fake? Pretty sure thats been proven.

At least try to be provocative or funny with your fishing efforts. This isn't gonna get you into the birther power rankings.

 

[TinHat]

Even people who don't like Rand Paul's politics should find this amusing...

“I’ve come to New Hampshire today because I’m very concerned,” Paul said. “I want to see the original long-form certificate, with embossed seal, of Donald Trump’s Republican registration.”

“Seriously don’t you think we need to see that?” he said, adding that Trump had donated to Democrats such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. (Link)

funny...and he's not wrong

 

[CBusAlex]

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

9/11 truthers are the first thing that comes to mind. Claiming that no airplane parts were found around the Pentagon (when photos clearly show there were) or that steel doesn't melt when heated (contrary to all known laws of physics) is pretty far divorced from reality.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

Just to be clear what are the specific insane things the right is saying today? Is it that the document is fake? Pretty sure thats been proven.

At least try to be provocative or funny with your fishing efforts. This isn't gonna get you into the birther power rankings.

So you don't have an answer for the insane things the people from the right are saying.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think the Truthers are somewhat comparable to the Birthers.

Absolutely. But is that a left/right or democrat/republican thing? I don't see any evidence of partisanship on the 911truth.org website, which was the first non-wikipedia site that came up in my Google search.

 

[TinHat]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.

So you're asking what conspiracy theory from the left rivals that of this one from the right?

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

How about associating the picture of a target on website that few people look at as the inspiration for a madman to go on a rampage?

 

[randall146]

Is it the general consensus of most of you here (left or right or neither) that Truthers is a leftist crazy belief? I always thought of the Truthies more as extreme libertarian/militia/don't-tread-on-me types.

 

[randall146]

I think the Truthers are somewhat comparable to the Birthers.

Absolutely. But is that a left/right or democrat/republican thing? I don't see any evidence of partisanship on the 911truth.org website, which was the first non-wikipedia site that came up in my Google search.

Mind-jinx!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I always assumed the Truthers came mostly from the left, but I don't really know.

 

[Christo]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.

So you're asking what conspiracy theory from the left rivals that of this one from the right?

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

I think your request is slightly unfair. I think people on the left tend to monitor right wing media wackos much more than people on the right monitor left wing media wackos. Both sides watch right wing media wackos to get their blood boiling.

 

[TobiasFunke]

How about associating the picture of a target on website that few people look at as the inspiration for a madman to go on a rampage?

If people had been saying that the website target image alone was what caused the shooting, yeah, I'd say that qualifies. But all I remember is people saying that it was representative of a climate of perpetuating anger towards politicians. Don't get me wrong, I still think that's kinda stupid, but it's certainly not insane.

 

[The Commish]

I think the Truthers are somewhat comparable to the Birthers.

Truthers being the 9/11 conspiracy theorists? If so, all the "truthers" I knew identified with the republican party with the exception of 1-2. Anecdotal at best, but thatt was my experience.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think your request is slightly unfair. I think people on the left tend to monitor right wing media wackos much more than people on the right monitor left wing media wackos. Both sides watch right wing media wackos to get their blood boiling.

I guess that's probably true. And of course because of that, right wing wacko behavior tends to get far more attention then left wing wacko behavior. Even a source as mainstream as washingtonpost.com currently has an article on their front page about how "birthers are freshly suspicious."

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

How about associating the picture of a target on website that few people look at as the inspiration for a madman to go on a rampage?

If people had been saying that the website target image alone was what caused the shooting, yeah, I'd say that qualifies. But all I remember is people saying that it was representative of a climate of perpetuating anger towards politicians. Don't get me wrong, I still think that's kinda stupid, but it's certainly not insane.

But saying there is a possibility of the b/c being a fake is insane?

 

[TinHat]

How about associating the picture of a target on website that few people look at as the inspiration for a madman to go on a rampage?

If people had been saying that the website target image alone was what caused the shooting, yeah, I'd say that qualifies. But all I remember is people saying that it was representative of a climate of perpetuating anger towards politicians. Don't get me wrong, I still think that's kinda stupid, but it's certainly not insane.

not to hijack, but we've always had angry rhetoric at politicians. The "left" used to sell "Kill Bush" T-shirts...

 

[rolyaTy]

Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?

I think the closest you'll find is a a degree in photo doctoring, which could make you a doctorer of photography, or Dr. of Photography for short.The Obama administration is always looking to hire recent photo doctors for all of their various conspiracies.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?

I think the closest you'll find is a a degree in photo doctoring, which could make you a doctorer of photography, or Dr. of Photography for short.The Obama administration is always looking to hire recent photo doctors for all of their various conspiracies.

I once saw a photo of Obama riding a fire-breathing hippo.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

Just to be clear what are the specific insane things the right is saying today? Is it that the document is fake? Pretty sure thats been proven.

At least try to be provocative or funny with your fishing efforts. This isn't gonna get you into the birther power rankings.

So you don't have an answer for the insane things the people from the right are saying.

As keeper of the Power Rankings, I'm going to need you to be less muddy with your position here. I need to make sure I have an accurate assessment of your level of crazy and the serious/shtick ratio. Can you give me a few samples here? I'm especially curious about your thoughts on Photoshop.

 

[The Commish]

World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.

A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.

What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.

So you're asking what conspiracy theory from the left rivals that of this one from the right?

Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.

How about associating the picture of a target on website that few people look at as the inspiration for a madman to go on a rampage?

This one's pretty good, but it's not close to this birther crap.

 

[timschochet]

There are some Truthers who are libertarian or militia types, but the majority have been liberal- focused on Bush and Cheney knowing about the bombing. I believe at one time a sizeable number of Democrats actually questioned this stuff, according to polls.

Of course, the classic liberal conspiracy theory is the death of John F. Kennedy. I don't think any modern conspiracy theory has ever been as detailed, with as much odd information as JFK. Even today a notable percentage of the public does not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

 

[Jewell]

not to hijack, but we've always had angry rhetoric at politicians. The "left" used to sell "Kill Bush" T-shirts...

Yeah, they could have toned that down and still kept the same sentiment. I would have gone with "Lick Bush".

 

[The Commish]

There are some Truthers who are libertarian or militia types, but the majority have been liberal- focused on Bush and Cheney knowing about the bombing. I believe at one time a sizeable number of Democrats actually questioned this stuff, according to polls.Of course, the classic liberal conspiracy theory is the death of John F. Kennedy. I don't think any modern conspiracy theory has ever been as detailed, with as much odd information as JFK. Even today a notable percentage of the public does not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

This was my first thought. Then it got me wondering.....will there be birther movies out in the movie theaters?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

not to hijack, but we've always had angry rhetoric at politicians. The "left" used to sell "Kill Bush" T-shirts...

Yeah, they could have toned that down and still kept the same sentiment. I would have gone with "Lick Bush".

a nice compromise would be "pound bush".