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The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

Does anyone read left wing websites? I figure I could just go to www.communism.org to find out all I need to know.
I like to read thinkprogress.org every couple of days, but I don't think they're in the same league as wnd or others. They're pretty silly at times extrapolating offenses from statements that I don't think have much merit but they don't manufacture a bunch of insane nonsense like these right wing sites that have become exposed for how much of a joke they are. The sad thing is that there are still a large base that will follow wnd and continue with these nonsenses.
 
Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
I think the closest you'll find is a a degree in photo doctoring, which could make you a doctorer of photography, or Dr. of Photography for short.The Obama administration is always looking to hire recent photo doctors for all of their various conspiracies.
I once saw a photo of Obama riding a fire-breathing hippo.
holy crapobama is a dolphin!!!!
 
Every day that this goes on it reaffirms my belief that most republicans are idiots. The fact I voted republican concerns me greatly.

 
Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
I think the closest you'll find is a a degree in photo doctoring, which could make you a doctorer of photography, or Dr. of Photography for short.The Obama administration is always looking to hire recent photo doctors for all of their various conspiracies.
I once saw a photo of Obama riding a fire-breathing hippo.
The original was Obama sitting behind his desk in the oval office. These guys are gooood.
 
How about associating the picture of a target on website that few people look at as the inspiration for a madman to go on a rampage?
If people had been saying that the website target image alone was what caused the shooting, yeah, I'd say that qualifies. But all I remember is people saying that it was representative of a climate of perpetuating anger towards politicians. Don't get me wrong, I still think that's kinda stupid, but it's certainly not insane.
But saying there is a possibility of the b/c being a fake is insane?
Yes.
 
I freely concede Obama was born in Hawaii - and I don't qualify his claim to citizenship at all. I have been consistent with that position all along. How does that make me a Birther again?
What I don't understand, if there is no basis for any of this, is why Obama simply won't release his birth certificate and allow access to his college records.

He does that and any controversy is over, period, and all conspiracy theorists have egg all over their face. Instead, he invests a million dollars a year every year in paying a law firm to ensure that no one has any access to any of these records. He's intentionally giving credibility to the argument.

That looks like smoke to me. Is there fire?
I don't know if he is a natural born citizen or not. I haven't seen sufficient proof either way to convince me. I do know that the Constitution requires of a President that they be a natural born citizen of the United States.

Answer me this: Why did the hospital he was born in change in the past month or so?

He was originally supposedly born at Queen's Medical Center, but recently his official place of birth changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center. How does that happen?
[Whoopi]

Well what do you think?

[/Whoopi]
:blackdot: I honestly don't know. I do know that if this evolves into something substantial it could amount to a massive black eye for us, which I'd sincerely prefer not to see. I'd just like to see some verification. I also am practical enough to know that I probably never will and that the debate will continue to evolve into more name calling rather than a calling for facts.
Consistency from day one.
:lmao:

Always have liked this one too (assuming it's regarding Obama being Muslim).

'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Hey Bronco Billy, while you're here can you answer this question from the other thread? What do you mean by the bolded?

'Bronco Billy said:
I can live with Obama not using and not allowing his staff to ever link Islamic and terrorist. I know why he's doing it. So does everyone else who doesn't swing from his sack. If you can't handle or refuse to accept that people understand what he is, I can't help you with that.
 
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'TinHat said:
more responsible journalists and commentators pointed out the obvious error, and supplemented this by pointing out that the McCain campaign had spent a similar amount in legal fees.
'TobiasFunke said:
You could, I suppose, subtract the amount spent by McCain as of the date of this article (1.3 million) from the amount spent by Obama (2.8 million),
Roll Call was not the first to do this math. At one time the amounts were closer I believe. And I really just meant similar in terms of degrees of magnitude, since the Right was acting like $2 million was some obscene figure.But please do keep it up. Playing "gotcha" about descriptions of legal fee totals on a message board is definitely helping you folks come across as sane and rational.

 
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'TinHat said:
more responsible journalists and commentators pointed out the obvious error, and supplemented this by pointing out that the McCain campaign had spent a similar amount in legal fees.
'TobiasFunke said:
You could, I suppose, subtract the amount spent by McCain as of the date of this article (1.3 million) from the amount spent by Obama (2.8 million),
Roll Call was not the first to do this math. At one time the amounts were closer I believe. And I really just meant similar in terms of degrees of magnitude, since the Right was acting like $2 million was some obscene figure.But please do keep it up. Playing "gotcha" about descriptions of legal fee totals on a message board is definitely helping you folks come across as sane and rational.
:lmao: :clyde:

:suds:

 
'rolyaTy said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
Crazy isn't limited by political affiliation, only flavored by it.
In the same poll 30% of Independent voters and 19% of Republicans responded the same way. Perhaps the baseline for bat#### crazy is 30%, with an addtional ~11.5% that will modify their crazy level based on implied group-think.
crazy is the new normal.
 
As it turns out, one was 35 times more likely to hear about the birther issue on CNN or MSNBC than on Fox News during the week of April 11 through 17, when Obama was touting his budget. The cable network most often railed against as the birther-enabler was least likely - by far - to even mention the issue.
As has been stated before, there's two different stories here.Story 1: Is the Obama presidency unconstitutional? Questions remains as to whether he was born in this country!

Story 2: There are millions of bat[poop]-crazy people in this country who think questions remain as to whether President Obama was born in this country!

Story 2 is the far more newsworthy question, because that deals with what a significant subset of the American people think. Story 1 has always been complete nonsense.

I have a strong suspicion that Fox News has covered Story 1, whereas most or all references to the "birther issue" on other networkds were coverage of Story 2.

 
Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
Just for my own edification, I'd be curious to know if that bc is really layered, and if so, what is that telling us? Any photoshop experts out there actually looked at this and can comment?It would seem to me that BO is just yanking the birther's chain by giving then more ammo if it is in layers.
 
The only reason he "gave in" yesterday is because the Republican party was embarrassing itself with its poll results. It's you guys, not him, that should be ashamed of yourselves.
I have a theory as to why so many were inclined to believe Obama's birth certificate would reveal something negative.It's like a wife who knows her husband is cheating. There have been nights in the past where he was out late, but when the wife asked him if he was with another woman -- he denied it. This becomes a recurring pattern and a paranoia builds in the wife's head. Then, one night, hubby goes out with the boys after work. When wifey confronts him on it he says he was out with the guys, but she refuses to believe this truth because she knows the husband concealed that he was with another woman during those other nights out.

Plenty of Birthers are racists, plenty aren't racist but honestly believed Obama was born elsewhere, and plenty took the position that so many other less desirable aspects about Obama have not been properly vetted by the media so why not this? Obama was telling the truth about his birth, but many couldn't accept it because of how the media covered up other negatives from Obama's past. Had the media been more truthful and thorough in vetting those other past aspects, I bet many would have felt more comfortable that the media got it right again when they refuted Birther claims.

If you're tossing shame around for those high Birther figures, apportion a little to the media.
You (along with many other conservatives) seem to be trying to do everything you can to escape responsibility for mess. But you can't.It was conservatives who from the time of Obama's nomination suggested that he was somehow "unAmerican". It was conservatives who stressed Obama's middle name at every opportunity. It was conservatives who, rather than simply take issue with Obama's policies, called them "treasonous", "anti-American", "unpatriotic", "Marxist", and repeatedly said that "Obama doesn't respect traditional American values." It was conservatives who constantly told us about Obama "kowtowing to our enemies." A recent example from early this week: Obama criticized on Fox News for not having an Easter message, but for sending out a message earlier to celebrate Ramadan. It was never mentioned that none of the previous 4 presidents ever released an Easter message, or that George W. Bush also sent out a Ramadan message. The story was then repeated and talked about by Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. on their radio shows. The implication: Obama is more sympathetic to Islam than he is to Christianity.

Now you guys have to reap what you sow. It should be no surprise to anyone that after years of "respectable" conservatives spreading the idea that Obama was unAmerican, you would end up with a majority of Republicans questioning the fact that he is American, and buying into stupid conspiracy theories like this one. Don't blame the media, don't blame liberals. Don't blame Obama. In fact, don't blame the opportunists like WorldNetDaily- they're only out to make a fast buck, after all. Blame yourselves. You're responsible.
Tim, you really need to learn how to use qualifiers. I would start by learning how to use the word some.
 
World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.
A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today. I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.
Daily Kos maybe?
 
'TobiasFunke said:
World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.
A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.
:shrug:
What I meant was don't just give me the website name. Tell me about an instance when they've been as divorced from reality as the right-wing nutjobs claiming forgery are today.
So you're asking what conspiracy theory from the left rivals that of this one from the right?
Yeah. Or just more generally, when they've been as transparently insane as the far right is today.
I seem to recall Dan rather promoting a forged document during the W era.I also recall certain left-wing sites comparing Bush to Hitler, or saying he was behind the 9/11 attacks, or that he went in to Iraq as a favor to his oil buddies or because Saddam tried to kill Daddy.

Both sides have their lunatic fringe.

 
World Net Daily appears to going with the twins story Stat posted from yesterday. Apparently there are twins born a day later with numbers earlier than Obama's- this "proves" Obama's certificate is a forgery.
A question for those that claim that there's a lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle ... what is the left equiavelant to World Net Daily? And don't just say the Democratic Underground of some other website you think is fringe. I'm curious to see an example of when a left-wing site has ever had material half as stupid as the stuff they're running with today.

I really do think that the left and right and Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin ... but I can't reconcile that with the hilarious nonsense the far right is running with at the moment. Help me out.
Daily Kos maybe?
Media Matters (even though I know the person who posed the question will disagree)But MoveOn is the worst. I have them in my Facebook newsfeed and I love the unintentional comedy they provide.

On the right, there's the aforementioned WND and I've seen some suspect stuff on CNS News.

 
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Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
Just for my own edification, I'd be curious to know if that bc is really layered, and if so, what is that telling us? Any photoshop experts out there actually looked at this and can comment?It would seem to me that BO is just yanking the birther's chain by giving then more ammo if it is in layers.
Looks like someone is going to crack the top 5.
 
Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
Just for my own edification, I'd be curious to know if that bc is really layered, and if so, what is that telling us? Any photoshop experts out there actually looked at this and can comment?It would seem to me that BO is just yanking the birther's chain by giving then more ammo if it is in layers.
Looks like someone is going to crack the top 5.
Honest question. I don't know #### about photoshop.
 
I seem to recall Dan rather promoting a forged document during the W era.I also recall certain left-wing sites comparing Bush to Hitler, or saying he was behind the 9/11 attacks, or that he went in to Iraq as a favor to his oil buddies or because Saddam tried to kill Daddy.Both sides have their lunatic fringe.
We did these, or at least some of them.The Rather story was bad journalism by one guy or one network on one story, not thousands of people acting like utter lunatics. it was more like the Hitler diary fraud than this.The 9/11 truthers are from both sides of the aisle, or neither side. It's not a left-wing movement. It's more a fringe "don't trust your government!!! Jesse Ventura type movement.I seriously doubt any web sites actually compared Bush's actions as president to Hitler's reign. They may have engaged in the same hyperbole you hear from lots of people who invoke Hitler for shock value (I see Obama posters with Hitler mustaches every day), but not as part of a serious analysis.The Iraq rationales were the same- simplified or hyperbolic explanations of rational, though probably incorrect, arguments.This feels different to me. Maybe it's just my political leanings, but I don't remember anything rising to this level of insanity from a large chunk of the political fringe.
 
I was out all day. This was put to bed, right? Oh wait....I see 7 pages since yesterday. :lmao: :lmao:recaps?
5 pages of "this is over, please stop posting"1 page of "which side is to blame for keeping the story alive1 page of Pickles rating posters
 
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I seem to recall Dan rather promoting a forged document during the W era.I also recall certain left-wing sites comparing Bush to Hitler, or saying he was behind the 9/11 attacks, or that he went in to Iraq as a favor to his oil buddies or because Saddam tried to kill Daddy.Both sides have their lunatic fringe.
We did these, or at least some of them.The Rather story was bad journalism by one guy or one network on one story, not thousands of people acting like utter lunatics. it was more like the Hitler diary fraud than this.The 9/11 truthers are from both sides of the aisle, or neither side. It's not a left-wing movement. It's more a fringe "don't trust your government!!! Jesse Ventura type movement.I seriously doubt any web sites actually compared Bush's actions as president to Hitler's reign. They may have engaged in the same hyperbole you hear from lots of people who invoke Hitler for shock value (I see Obama posters with Hitler mustaches every day), but not as part of a serious analysis.The Iraq rationales were the same- simplified or hyperbolic explanations of rational, though probably incorrect, arguments.This feels different to me. Maybe it's just my political leanings, but I don't remember anything rising to this level of insanity from a large chunk of the political fringe.
Obviously, both of us define insanity relative to our own political positions.
 
I seem to recall Dan rather promoting a forged document during the W era.

I also recall certain left-wing sites comparing Bush to Hitler, or saying he was behind the 9/11 attacks, or that he went in to Iraq as a favor to his oil buddies or because Saddam tried to kill Daddy.

Both sides have their lunatic fringe.
We did these, or at least some of them.The Rather story was bad journalism by one guy or one network on one story, not thousands of people acting like utter lunatics. it was more like the Hitler diary fraud than this.

The 9/11 truthers are from both sides of the aisle, or neither side. It's not a left-wing movement. It's more a fringe "don't trust your government!!! Jesse Ventura type movement.

I seriously doubt any web sites actually compared Bush's actions as president to Hitler's reign. They may have engaged in the same hyperbole you hear from lots of people who invoke Hitler for shock value (I see Obama posters with Hitler mustaches every day), but not as part of a serious analysis.

The Iraq rationales were the same- simplified or hyperbolic explanations of rational, though probably incorrect, arguments.

This feels different to me. Maybe it's just my political leanings, but I don't remember anything rising to this level of insanity from a large chunk of the political fringe.
So what is it like to be so delusional? Were you really not in the United States during the Bush years? :popcorn:
 
Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
Just for my own edification, I'd be curious to know if that bc is really layered, and if so, what is that telling us? Any photoshop experts out there actually looked at this and can comment?It would seem to me that BO is just yanking the birther's chain by giving then more ammo if it is in layers.
Looks like someone is going to crack the top 5.
Honest question. I don't know #### about photoshop.
It's telling us that it's an optimized PDF and whatever software they used broke the document into distinct sections because some areas can be saved using less bits than others.
 
Just one question: can someone tell me which universities offer a Photoshop degree? And do they offer a doctorate program?
Just for my own edification, I'd be curious to know if that bc is really layered, and if so, what is that telling us? Any photoshop experts out there actually looked at this and can comment?It would seem to me that BO is just yanking the birther's chain by giving then more ammo if it is in layers.
Looks like someone is going to crack the top 5.
Honest question. I don't know #### about photoshop.
I see that.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

"I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home."

So the process of scanning the document, converting it to a pdf and hitting the "optimize" button creates layers that look exactly like the layers in the Obama scan. It's layers of pixel data that make it easier for us to read the scanned document... Not like someone put on a layer containing a bunch of false info. Not to mention that no professional editor would ever send out a final image that contained the layers. You reformat the files into single layer images and send those to the client.

 
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