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The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
Don't forget the Social Security number. If they are smart they will pace themselves and roll out one at a time until next election.
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
Corsi's book will take center stage next
 
The cuttlefish is one of the most amazing animals on the planet. The thing is basically a swimming plasma TV. They're pretty awesome to watch as they change shape, size, and color to hypnotize their prey before pouncing on them.
And it is delicious with asparagus!
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
Don't forget the Social Security number. If they are smart they will pace themselves and roll out one at a time until next election.
really? The only folks smoking this stuff already aren't voting for him and at this point anyone still arguing for this looks like a nut jub.
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
World Net Daily, Jerome Corsi, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz, and the people that read them religiously will continue to challenge this stuff and come up with new things. But what will be missing from this point forward, I predict, are the "mainstream" conservative types. These are the guys who, here and elsewhere, said stuff like, "He's probably born here, but I don't understand why he doesn't release the birth certificate- I'm pretty sure he's hiding something...etc." These guys, whom I can only call cowardly, refused to commit themselves as full time birthers. Perhaps we should refer to them as "partial birthers". And now that all of their theories about Obama hiding something have been blown to shreds, they are committing a "partial birther abortion"- attempting to kill (deny) what they've been implying all along even though it's already out of the womb.
 
Corsi's book will take center stage next
You guys are the gift that keeps giving.
What do you mean by "you guys"oh...and you still haven't answered my inquiry about "ethnic sounding names."
You can't be this dense.
Humor meFor example is "Guiliani" an ethnic name?What about Martinez?Schumer?Cuomo?Gillenbrand?Washington?Daniels?Christie?O'Reilly?I'm just trying to get a sense of which names you think are more or less "ethnic sounding"
 
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Corsi's book will take center stage next
You guys are the gift that keeps giving.
What do you mean by "you guys"oh...and you still haven't answered my inquiry about "ethnic sounding names."
You can't be this dense.
Humor meFor example is "Guiliani" an ethnic name?What about Martinez?Schumer?Cuomo?Gillenbrand?Washington?Daniels?Christie?O'Reilly?I'm just trying to get a sense of which names you think are more or less "ethnic sounding"
You seriously can't figure out that I was going with certain ethnicities? Maybe one that our current president's name evokes?
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
World Net Daily, Jerome Corsi, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz, and the people that read them religiously will continue to challenge this stuff and come up with new things. But what will be missing from this point forward, I predict, are the "mainstream" conservative types. These are the guys who, here and elsewhere, said stuff like, "He's probably born here, but I don't understand why he doesn't release the birth certificate- I'm pretty sure he's hiding something...etc." These guys, whom I can only call cowardly, refused to commit themselves as full time birthers. Perhaps we should refer to them as "partial birthers". And now that all of their theories about Obama hiding something have been blown to shreds, they are committing a "partial birther abortion"- attempting to kill (deny) what they've been implying all along even though it's already out of the womb.
You stated before that you were only 99.9% sure. Given that fact, and this posting and your obsession with this topic, are you trying to tell us something? Were you a secret birther, using this thread to deal with your psychological angst?
 
Corsi's book will take center stage next
You guys are the gift that keeps giving.
What do you mean by "you guys"

oh...and you still haven't answered my inquiry about "ethnic sounding names."
You can't be this dense.
Humor me

For example is "Guiliani" an ethnic name?

What about Martinez?

Schumer?

Cuomo?

Gillenbrand?

Washington?

Daniels?

Christie?

O'Reilly?

I'm just trying to get a sense of which names you think are more or less "ethnic sounding"
"Smithers, what is this?"

"A doughnut, sir."

"Bah! I told you, no ethnic foods!"

 
Corsi's book will take center stage next
You guys are the gift that keeps giving.
What do you mean by "you guys"oh...and you still haven't answered my inquiry about "ethnic sounding names."
You can't be this dense.
Humor meFor example is "Guiliani" an ethnic name?What about Martinez?Schumer?Cuomo?Gillenbrand?Washington?Daniels?Christie?O'Reilly?I'm just trying to get a sense of which names you think are more or less "ethnic sounding"
You seriously can't figure out that I was going with certain ethnicities? Maybe one that our current president's name evokes?
His name is Kenyan. He is 50% African-American. African-Americans have a wide variety of last names due to the legacy of slavery.Is it just Kenyan names that you were referring to?
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
World Net Daily, Jerome Corsi, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz, and the people that read them religiously will continue to challenge this stuff and come up with new things. But what will be missing from this point forward, I predict, are the "mainstream" conservative types. These are the guys who, here and elsewhere, said stuff like, "He's probably born here, but I don't understand why he doesn't release the birth certificate- I'm pretty sure he's hiding something...etc." These guys, whom I can only call cowardly, refused to commit themselves as full time birthers. Perhaps we should refer to them as "partial birthers". And now that all of their theories about Obama hiding something have been blown to shreds, they are committing a "partial birther abortion"- attempting to kill (deny) what they've been implying all along even though it's already out of the womb.
:rolleyes: :yucky:
 
The application forms back then have been shown to have "colored" as the choice of race for blacks, with a switch to "negro" around 1960/1961.
Link?
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
:lol: You just keep on believing that will all your little heart. Race was not a "fill-in-the-blank", it was a check box selection, just as it is on government forms today.
Obviously the lack of check boxes means the document presented by the White House on Wednesday is a fake.
 
WorldNetDaily is out to make a fast buck off of the most partisan folks it can find. I'm don't think they they even belive some of the stuff the publish
Can we make up our minds here?
Most web news sites now are a conglomeration of independent contractors. Credibility varies between writers, but on the whole WND is not discerbibly worse than other cites.
The problem with WorldNetDaily is their founder tends to be one of the most unreliable of their sources. Most of their other sources tend to be far more credible.
 
Fox News Debunks Adobe Illustrator "forgery" Talk

Curiously, the expert on this is named Tremblay

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.
 
I seriously doubt any web sites actually compared Bush's actions as president to Hitler's reign.
Move0n.org, a very prominant Democratic organization which played a key role in Defending Clinton and has millions of dollars which it uses to promote Democrats, ran numerous Bush is Hitler ads on their website and
No, I think he really is divorced from reality.
 
In truth, there are a lot of factors that have led to the popularity of THIS conspiracy. Obama's name, his father's nationality, the fact that Obama as a child lived in Indonesia, the fact that he was born in Hawaii (outside of the mainland U.S.A.) all helps people who are already inclined to dislike Obama to believe that he is an outsider, a foreigner. However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
How interesting it must be to be so wise that you can see every eventuality of any possible alternate reality.
 
Corsi's book will take center stage next
You guys are the gift that keeps giving.
What do you mean by "you guys"oh...and you still haven't answered my inquiry about "ethnic sounding names."
You can't be this dense.
Humor meFor example is "Guiliani" an ethnic name?What about Martinez?Schumer?Cuomo?Gillenbrand?Washington?Daniels?Christie?O'Reilly?I'm just trying to get a sense of which names you think are more or less "ethnic sounding"
You seriously can't figure out that I was going with certain ethnicities? Maybe one that our current president's name evokes?
So thius whole tawdry business would not have happened had he run under the monicker "Barry Dunham?"
 
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
As I predicted early on that the "full" BC still wouldn't be enough, I predict this is far from dead. They are simply trying to figure out how to change course. I suspect they will go hard after this "layer" crap and follow it up with his education record.
World Net Daily, Jerome Corsi, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz, and the people that read them religiously will continue to challenge this stuff and come up with new things. But what will be missing from this point forward, I predict, are the "mainstream" conservative types. These are the guys who, here and elsewhere, said stuff like, "He's probably born here, but I don't understand why he doesn't release the birth certificate- I'm pretty sure he's hiding something...etc." These guys, whom I can only call cowardly, refused to commit themselves as full time birthers. Perhaps we should refer to them as "partial birthers". And now that all of their theories about Obama hiding something have been blown to shreds, they are committing a "partial birther abortion"- attempting to kill (deny) what they've been implying all along even though it's already out of the womb.
Oh what a crock Tim.
 
Corsi's book will take center stage next
You guys are the gift that keeps giving.
What do you mean by "you guys"

oh...and you still haven't answered my inquiry about "ethnic sounding names."
You can't be this dense.
Humor me

For example is "Guiliani" an ethnic name?

What about Martinez?

Schumer?

Cuomo?

Gillenbrand?

Washington?

Daniels?

Christie?

O'Reilly?

I'm just trying to get a sense of which names you think are more or less "ethnic sounding"
"Smithers, what is this?"

"A doughnut, sir."

"Bah! I told you, no ethnic foods!"
That's not a doughnut, that's a bagel. Now we just need a little Loxley.
 
In truth, there are a lot of factors that have led to the popularity of THIS conspiracy. Obama's name, his father's nationality, the fact that Obama as a child lived in Indonesia, the fact that he was born in Hawaii (outside of the mainland U.S.A.) all helps people who are already inclined to dislike Obama to believe that he is an outsider, a foreigner. However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
How interesting it must be to be so wise that you can see every eventuality of any possible alternate reality.
It's a struggle. I have to work at it, but I manage.
 
In truth, there are a lot of factors that have led to the popularity of THIS conspiracy. Obama's name, his father's nationality, the fact that Obama as a child lived in Indonesia, the fact that he was born in Hawaii (outside of the mainland U.S.A.) all helps people who are already inclined to dislike Obama to believe that he is an outsider, a foreigner. However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
How interesting it must be to be so wise that you can see every eventuality of any possible alternate reality.
It's a struggle. I have to work at it, but I manage.
You do have a habit of jumping to conclusions when it comes to scenarios that don't exist.
 
In truth, there are a lot of factors that have led to the popularity of THIS conspiracy. Obama's name, his father's nationality, the fact that Obama as a child lived in Indonesia, the fact that he was born in Hawaii (outside of the mainland U.S.A.) all helps people who are already inclined to dislike Obama to believe that he is an outsider, a foreigner. However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
How interesting it must be to be so wise that you can see every eventuality of any possible alternate reality.
It's a struggle. I have to work at it, but I manage.
You do have a habit of jumping to conclusions when it comes to scenarios that don't exist.
Of course I do. But they're based on what I consider to be the facts. My main point in this case is that the root of this conspiracy did not lay in the issue of where Obama was born, per se, but in the fact that there are people out there who don't want Obama to be president and are willing to believe anything that would make him illegitimate. What is unique about this particular conspiracy is not the details of the conspiracy itself, but the size of the audience willing to swallow them.
 
In truth, there are a lot of factors that have led to the popularity of THIS conspiracy. Obama's name, his father's nationality, the fact that Obama as a child lived in Indonesia, the fact that he was born in Hawaii (outside of the mainland U.S.A.) all helps people who are already inclined to dislike Obama to believe that he is an outsider, a foreigner. However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
How interesting it must be to be so wise that you can see every eventuality of any possible alternate reality.
It's a struggle. I have to work at it, but I manage.
You do have a habit of jumping to conclusions when it comes to scenarios that don't exist.
Of course I do. But they're based on what I consider to be the facts. My main point in this case is that the root of this conspiracy did not lay in the issue of where Obama was born, per se, but in the fact that there are people out there who don't want Obama to be president and are willing to believe anything that would make him illegitimate. What is unique about this particular conspiracy is not the details of the conspiracy itself, but the size of the audience willing to swallow them.
But then you lump people with legitimate concerns about how we vet our presidential candidates or concerns over why Obama promises to be transparent and then fights this issue with the tin foil hat types. You are wrong on that point entirely.
 
Tim, stop trying to help. You're doing a disservice to causes I feel are important. Stick to drafts. You're good at those.

 
Disclaimer: I am posting the link below because I think it is interesting . On the subject where Obama was born, I believe it is a non-issue now. First because even if he was born elsewhere, what are we going to do about it now? Second, if it was proven that he was born elsewhere there are those in power who don't care and will fight it tooth and nail and it isn't worth the fight (see point 3). Third, it is the one thing beyond Obama's control. Raising taxes in the middle of a recession, having a bogus trillion dollar stimulus package in a time where our dept is out of control, leading from behind as a foreign affairs policy, adding a new entitlement (health care) at at a time when we don't know how we fund our existing entitlements .... these are things Obama is responsible for and the areas we need to focus on- Not where he was born.

However this is interesting:











We Are All Birthers Now (Part Two)

B.P. Terpstra

More CasesFor some reason, it's 100% blasphemy to question Democrat Obama's birthplace, but Republicans Bush and McCain are fair game. Furthermore, critical thinkers are also confronted with more inconvenient historical examples, pointing to an undeniable pattern.Case 3: Following media speculation and constant rumors, "former Connecticut politician Lowell P. Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency" in 1980. But "an aide said, and was assured he was eligible," acknowledges Hulse. Weicker was a Republican.Case 4: In 1967, the Governor of Michigan George Wilcken Romney faced anti-Mormon discrimination and touchy eligibility questions around his birth in Mexico to American parents. Did that make him a hip Latino? No. Romney was a Republican.Case 5: Barry Morris Goldwater (aka "Mr. Conservative") is another interesting example, and a victim of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. He was born in Arizona when it was a territory, hence the media-related assaults. Goldwater was a Republican.Case 6: Born in Vermont, President Chester A. Arthur (1881-1885) nearly fell victim to born-in-Canada rumors. Arthur was a Republican.In short, Republicans are often the targets of birth-related hunts, but bizarrely, they're also blamed for Obama-created conspiracies sold by 2008's Team Hillary Clinton.

Media-approved schizophreniaBut there's more!On Seven's Sunrise morning show (April 28), Steve Handlesman an Obama-first NBC News Reporter was asked about the birth certificate row. He informed my fellow Australians that Trump was a "Birther" and that "sinister forces" were out to "pin" the President Obama.According to the government-friendly NBC News Reporter this was a question for psychiatrists and psychologists, and yet a clearly emotional Handlesman failed to mention the name Hillary Clinton. Or the elite media's history of conspiratorial birthplace reports used to attack Republicans over and over again, for literally decades.Which brings me to their latest target, case 7: Sarah Palin? Yes. In the internet age, campaigning media elites found it harder to construct birthplace-related lies, so they suggested that the former Alaska Governor didn't give birth to her beautiful son, Trig.Sure Palin was American born and bred but didn't she pretend to have a baby, and trick us all? At least that's what the conservative anti-conservative Andrew Sullivan threw out there.Bush. McCain. Weicker. Romney. Goldwater. Arthur. Palin. When the media concocts a birth-related conspiracy, it's called investigative journalism, but when untouchable President Obama is questioned, God help you. Palin is a Republican.




 
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