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The Brady Quinn road to the draft thread. (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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I'm fascinated by this situation.It is my opinion that Quinn's draft stock is not actually falling, but is simply being talked down by teams that don't want to be leapfrogged in the draft. That being said, his camp isn't exactly playing their hand right either, IMO. First, he didn't work out at the combine, which I think was a mistake. And now this:

Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn faxed letters to the league office for distribution to all 32 teams telling them he will be unavailable for interviews the weekend of his pro day. Bad -- and I mean horrible -- call by his folks!....
- Source: Draft DaddyWhat the heck is the Quinn camp thinking?I'm very interested to see how this plays out. :popcorn:
 
I'm fascinated by this situation.It is my opinion that Quinn's draft stock is not actually falling, but is simply being talked down by teams that don't want to be leapfrogged in the draft. That being said, his camp isn't exactly playing their hand right either, IMO. First, he didn't work out at the combine, which I think was a mistake. And now this:

Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn faxed letters to the league office for distribution to all 32 teams telling them he will be unavailable for interviews the weekend of his pro day. Bad -- and I mean horrible -- call by his folks!....
- Source: Draft DaddyWhat the heck is the Quinn camp thinking?I'm very interested to see how this plays out. :popcorn:
He heard that Detroit now may be looking to draft him and he's scared ####less.
 
I'm fascinated by this situation.

It is my opinion that Quinn's draft stock is not actually falling, but is simply being talked down by teams that don't want to be leapfrogged in the draft. That being said, his camp isn't exactly playing their hand right either, IMO. First, he didn't work out at the combine, which I think was a mistake. And now this:

Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn faxed letters to the league office for distribution to all 32 teams telling them he will be unavailable for interviews the weekend of his pro day. Bad -- and I mean horrible -- call by his folks!....
- Source: Draft DaddyWhat the heck is the Quinn camp thinking?

I'm very interested to see how this plays out. :stalker:
Can't really blame him. Another crucial interception would have killed his stock.
 
I'm fascinated by this situation.It is my opinion that Quinn's draft stock is not actually falling, but is simply being talked down by teams that don't want to be leapfrogged in the draft. That being said, his camp isn't exactly playing their hand right either, IMO. First, he didn't work out at the combine, which I think was a mistake. And now this:

Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn faxed letters to the league office for distribution to all 32 teams telling them he will be unavailable for interviews the weekend of his pro day. Bad -- and I mean horrible -- call by his folks!....
- Source: Draft DaddyWhat the heck is the Quinn camp thinking?I'm very interested to see how this plays out. :unsure:
I am not really sure what the case with Quinn is also - I am in a word befuddled.The only reason I see that this being beneficial to Quinn is if he knew the JR was going to show up overweight and thought that JR's draft stock would be falling making him by default the #1 QB in the Draft; and he does not want to do anything is screw that up.
 
The only reason I see that this being beneficial to Quinn is if he knew the JR was going to show up overweight and thought that JR's draft stock would be falling making him by default the #1 QB in the Draft; and he does not want to do anything is screw that up.
That's another thing that I found strange, JR showing up flabby. It's like going in to interview for the CEO position of a fortune 500 company wearing Zubas and a wife-beater t-shirt with gravy stains.
 
The only reason I see that this being beneficial to Quinn is if he knew the JR was going to show up overweight and thought that JR's draft stock would be falling making him by default the #1 QB in the Draft; and he does not want to do anything is screw that up.
That's another thing that I found strange, JR showing up flabby. It's like going in to interview for the CEO position of a fortune 500 company wearing Zubas and a wife-beater t-shirt with gravy stains.
Note to self: Wash dago-t before job interview on Monday.
 
I actually think that Quinn is doing it the correct way. He's constructed a process that gives him a chance to completely prepare for one aspect at a time. If he executes this well he presents himself as a player that can analyze a situation, listen to experts, prepare and execute. I know the NFL execs would like to have seen him work out at the combine, but IMO, there is nothing but downside for a top 2 player at a position that is typically drafted early.

 
The only reason I see that this being beneficial to Quinn is if he knew the JR was going to show up overweight and thought that JR's draft stock would be falling making him by default the #1 QB in the Draft; and he does not want to do anything is screw that up.
That's another thing that I found strange, JR showing up flabby. It's like going in to interview for the CEO position of a fortune 500 company wearing Zubas and a wife-beater t-shirt with gravy stains.
IMHO if JR can not stay in shape for a few months preparing for the biggest day of his life - How well do you think he is going to do when he has millions of dollars? Don't you think that this is immaturity of his part? or at least laziness?
 
IMHO if JR can not stay in shape for a few months preparing for the biggest day of his life - How well do you think he is going to do when he has millions of dollars? Don't you think that this is immaturity of his part? or at least laziness?
Absolutely. And given that Quinn threw up something like 25 reps on the bench press, showing up ripped at the combine, I think Brady put himself in position to be the #1 QB taken again.
 
IMHO if JR can not stay in shape for a few months preparing for the biggest day of his life - How well do you think he is going to do when he has millions of dollars? Don't you think that this is immaturity of his part? or at least laziness?
Absolutely. And given that Quinn threw up something like 25 reps on the bench press, showing up ripped at the combine, I think Brady put himself in position to be the #1 QB taken again.
I LOVE Quinn, but from what I saw at the combine, I am about to give up hope that he will be there at #7. I was hoping to get Quinn at #7 and then a WR (possibly even Jarrett) with the 2nd round pick. That would be the Vikings' ideal draft. But, I think Quinn will go really high - of course it helps that TB picked up Plummer.
 
I actually think that Quinn is doing it the correct way. He's constructed a process that gives him a chance to completely prepare for one aspect at a time. If he executes this well he presents himself as a player that can analyze a situation, listen to experts, prepare and execute. I know the NFL execs would like to have seen him work out at the combine, but IMO, there is nothing but downside for a top 2 player at a position that is typically drafted early.
Yeah, a guy who can't workout and interview at the same time is the kind of QB I want to lead my team. Whoever drafts him will deserve him.
 
The only reason I see that this being beneficial to Quinn is if he knew the JR was going to show up overweight and thought that JR's draft stock would be falling making him by default the #1 QB in the Draft; and he does not want to do anything is screw that up.
That's another thing that I found strange, JR showing up flabby. It's like going in to interview for the CEO position of a fortune 500 company wearing Zubas and a wife-beater t-shirt with gravy stains.
IMHO if JR can not stay in shape for a few months preparing for the biggest day of his life - How well do you think he is going to do when he has millions of dollars? Don't you think that this is immaturity of his part? or at least laziness?
Are we looking at LenDale White the second?
 
Sounds like the pro day went well.

NFL scouts finally check out Quinn

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Brady Quinn finally gave NFL scouts, coaches, general managers and owners an up-close look at what he can do on the field.

Quinn, whose only workout at the NFL combine was benchpressing 225 pounds 24 times, took part in a half-hour workout Sunday at Notre Dame's pro day. He threw a variety of passes, with representatives from every NFL team watching.

"We threw everything people wanted to see," Irish coach Charlie Weis said. "We put him through every throw that any NFL organization would want to see — from moving in the pocket, to moving from the pocket, to three-step, to five-step to seven-step. I think now they have enough information to make a critical evaluation, if they didn't have enough on tape already."

Quinn, who had fluid drained from his right knee at halftime of a game against Southern California and aggravated the injury in the Sugar Bowl against LSU, didn't take part in any of the agility drills: the 40-yard dash or the 60-yard shuttle run. He said he'd do that at Notre Dame's next pro day on March 22.

"I want to be 100%," he said. "I'm not quite there yet, but I will be soon."

Quinn has been the center of much draft speculation, particularly over whether the Oakland Raiders will use the No. 1 overall pick to take him or LSU's JaMarcus Russell.

Some draft analysts have said Quinn's draft status has been weakened since the end of the season as NFL teams reviewed the way he played, particularly in the Sugar Bowl. Quinn said he can't understand how people are saying his stock is going down.

"We haven't done anything since then and people are sitting there saying, 'You're stock's going up, you're stock's going down,"' Quinn said. "It's kind of comical in that sense. You're just working out, doing the best you can every day."

Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress and Cleveland Browns coach Romeo Crennel were both impressed by Quinn's performance.

"Really, he made more throws here than you'd think about making at the combine," Childress said. "I think he threw about 60 balls here today and it takes a little bit of endurance to be able to do that and he did it pretty rapid-fire succession."

Crennel said Quinn clearly had zip on his passes.

"The fact he could make all his throws, both right and left, he's a polished quarterback," Crennel said. "He's smart. When you watch him on tape you can see he knows where to go with the ball. He will, at times, throw it away when he has to, so we think he's a good, young prospect."

Quinn threw 63 passes, connecting on 58 of them. On two occasions, former Irish receiver Matt Shelton got his hands on passes but couldn't pull them in. Rhema McKnight couldn't catch a 35-yard pass or a 20-yard pass he dived for. Quinn also overthrew tailback Darius Walker on a 25-yard pass.

"I thought there were four catchable balls and one crummy throw to the right-hand side," Weis said.

Quinn said he was pleased with his performance, although he thought he could have done better.

"I think there's definitely still room for improvement," he said.

Quinn plans to return to Arizona to continue to prepare for the draft. Crennel said he didn't mind that Quinn didn't show off his speed.

"He's a quarterback, he doesn't have to run a 40. He showed he has good feet on the movement drills that he did because he did some rollouts, he did some play-actions. You can see his feet move," Crennel said. "And hopefully he doesn't have to run a 40, and if he's running a 40, they'll be chasing him."

About 100 people were at Notre Dame's indoor practice facility to watch the workout, including some of Quinn's former teammates — and his possible replacement — Jimmy Clausen. Several other former Irish players also worked out, including offensive guard Dan Santucci and offensive tackle Ryan Harris.

"Hopefully everyone's stock went up today," Quinn said.

Quinn said he doesn't have any preference for who drafts him, he just wants to be drafted as high as possible on April 28.

"I just want to go No. 1," Quinn said. "That's really what I'm looking forward to, and I hope that will be the case in the end."
 
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Brady Quinn --> Andre Johnson sounds good to me. The Texans need to make a move.
huh? If you think defenses aren't afraid of Carr because all he throws is slants or short throws, I doubt you'll like Quinn that much. Both of them have weak arms, don't make big plays with their arms and like to scramble.
 
Brady Quinn --> Andre Johnson sounds good to me. The Texans need to make a move.
huh? If you think defenses aren't afraid of Carr because all he throws is slants or short throws, I doubt you'll like Quinn that much. Both of them have weak arms, don't make big plays with their arms and like to scramble.
It's one thing to scramble with your head down looking at your feet as you haul ### towards the sidelines with the ball tucked under your arm -->Carr.It's another to run while looking for an open receiver downfield--EVERY other QB in existance.
 
My thinking on Quinn has been as crazy as the stock market. A month ago I was down on him. I am starting to think that he is one of the safer picks for where he is currently slated to go in dynasty rookie drafts. I am starting to get a good vibe and think he is going to be a terrific pro. :thumbup:

 
Brady Quinn --> Andre Johnson sounds good to me. The Texans need to make a move.
huh? If you think defenses aren't afraid of Carr because all he throws is slants or short throws, I doubt you'll like Quinn that much. Both of them have weak arms, don't make big plays with their arms and like to scramble.
It's one thing to scramble with your head down looking at your feet as you haul ### towards the sidelines with the ball tucked under your arm -->Carr.It's another to run while looking for an open receiver downfield--EVERY other QB in existance.
don't get me wrong. Quinn is better than Carr but I've seen you post in an other thread that you didn't like how carr's style. quinn is better than carr but they are both alike.
 
Brady Quinn --> Andre Johnson sounds good to me. The Texans need to make a move.
huh? If you think defenses aren't afraid of Carr because all he throws is slants or short throws, I doubt you'll like Quinn that much. Both of them have weak arms, don't make big plays with their arms and like to scramble.
It's one thing to scramble with your head down looking at your feet as you haul ### towards the sidelines with the ball tucked under your arm -->Carr.It's another to run while looking for an open receiver downfield--EVERY other QB in existance.
don't get me wrong. Quinn is better than Carr but I've seen you post in an other thread that you didn't like how carr's style. quinn is better than carr but they are both alike.
I completely disagree. Carr has a cannon for an arm. The reason he doesn't throw deep is not arm strength. The reason is that he will not step up in the pocket and he does not go through progressions. He dumps the ball off quickly. He is quick, but has poor footwork and ball handling.Quinn lacks Carr's speed and arm. However, his arm is at least average for an NFL QB. He has top level footwork and ball handling on play action. He has good pocket presence. He is nothing like Carr.
 
I completely disagree. Carr has a cannon for an arm. The reason he doesn't throw deep is not arm strength. The reason is that he will not step up in the pocket and he does not go through progressions. He dumps the ball off quickly. He is quick, but has poor footwork and ball handling.

Quinn lacks Carr's speed and arm. However, his arm is at least average for an NFL QB. He has top level footwork and ball handling on play action. He has good pocket presence. He is nothing like Carr.
Along those lines: A total lack of ability to read a defense. He is the worst ever 5 year starting QB in the Free agent era where you can surround yourself with upgrades. Unlike what someone like Archie Manning had to endure. He had no chance. Carr in 3 more years will eclipse Manning in horrid W/L percentage since he will never have an 8-8 record or better in his career....EVER. It won't matter what team he plays for.
 
The Browns are apparently ready to step up their pursuit of Chiefs quarterback Trent Green. Browns General Manager Phil Savage told WTAM AM/1100 on Thursday morning that the next step is to negotiate a "ballpark contract" for Green that would prompt him to want to come to Cleveland for a visit. Green's agent, Jim Steiner, declined to comment Thursday night on possible negotiations - but also didn't deny that they've begun.
I think the Browns have learned their lesson in destroying Tim Couch and are putting the pieces in place to make sure it doesn't happen with Brady Quinn (or Jamarcus Russell) this time around.Following the Jon Kitna/Carson Palmer gameplan here.
 
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Merrill Hoge thinks Quinn is a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Hodgey said the same thing about Vince Young last year IIRC and I think I do recall correctly on that account.
big deal; the jury is still out on Vince Young . . . he can run, we all know that, and some point he's going to have to throw to win . . .
Vince Young or Quinn are not the issue here. The issue as always is Merrill Hoge is an idiot.
 
As long as this road does not travel through or stop in Ford Field, all is well.
You're a detractor too, eh?Maybe I am a bit too high on Quinn. :rolleyes:
Two things.1. The history of the Lions franchise at QB in the draft and free agency. It is bad. For historical and educational purposes I would like to catalog everything but it is too painful. No need to stir up those transgressions, as they were bad enough the first time around. Then, there are the economic ramifications and that is speaking to the money currently tied up at QB; the money a #2 overall selected QB would want; loss of flexibility in the FA market and, finally, the loss of revenue from fans if/when the pick does not pan out. These are my primary concerns. The team is still recovering from the J. Harrington experience. No team can afford a blown Top 10 pick. No team can withstand a bust at QB taken that early. Add a multiplier of 100 to each of those and you have the Lions situation. The Lions need a player that can play...today...and live out his first contract, while reaching his potential. There is far too much risk associated with QB and it is not the smart move. More importantly, I feel there is too much risk associated with Quinn. 2. I see much more Powlus and Mirer in Quinn than I do Montana. I know some of the local gurus feel differently, which is what makes part of this so fun, but I see marginal pro being his ceiling.
 
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Go Brady!

Quinn says he could fix NFL franchise

TOM COYNE

Associated Press

SOUTH BEND, Ind. - Brady Quinn already has taken a down-and-out football team and turned it around. He figures he can do it again.

That's why the Notre Dame quarterback believes he is highly qualified to immediately help a troubled NFL franchise - and why he should be the first Fighting Irish player taken with the opening pick in the NFL draft in 35 years.

"I've been through the adversity. I've gone through losing seasons. I know what it feels like to lose, but I know what it feels like to win," he said. "I know what it's like to go through that transition."

Quinn didn't say it, but he also knows what it's like to try to win when not all the pieces are in place. Quinn played on an Irish team that didn't have overpowering offensive lines and its defense was average at best.

Critics say Quinn couldn't win big games, but it's hard to beat Michigan, Southern Cal or LSU when the three scored an average of 44 points against the Irish last season.

"When Peyton Manning came out, people said he couldn't win the big one, he couldn't beat Florida," said Gil Brandt, an analyst for NFL.com, who was vice president of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys from 1960-89. "People say the same thing about Brady Quinn. I disagree with all that. I think if it wasn't for Brady and his production, Notre Dame never would have been there playing LSU and they wouldn't have been playing in a game as big as the USC game was."

So the question facing NFL teams looking to use an early first-round draft pick on a quarterback is: Do you prefer Quinn or LSU's JaMarcus Russell?

Quinn was a four-year starter who passed for 11,762 yards and led his team to a 29-18 record, including 19-6 over his final two seasons. Russell was a two-year starter who threw for 6,525 yards and led his team to a 25-4 record.

Many drafts observers believe Quinn is more polished, but Russell might have more potential. Quinn states flatly that he is the better choice.

"JaMarcus obviously is a big kid with a strong arm. But I'm a big kid with a strong arm and much more," he said. "I'm not as big as him. I'm a little leaner. But I've played four years, started the past four years and been through a lot."

The stakes are high. NFL draft history is littered with failed college quarterbacks, such as Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Todd Marinovich, Rick Mirer, Joey Harrington and others. But Brandt believes Quinn will succeed.

"I think the guy is a polished, mature individual that knows where he's going and knows how he's going to get there," he said.

Irish coach Charlie Weis, who concedes he is biased, said if he were an NFL head coach he would want Quinn on his team, saying he has that special "it" leaders have.

"I think that everything about him points to him being a successful quarterback in the NFL. The way he carries himself on and off the field, his athletic ability, his moxie, his leadership. That 'it' that certain people have, well he has it," he said. "I'm a big Brady Quinn fan."

Notre Dame hasn't produced a standout NFL quarterback since Joe Montana was taken by San Francisco in the third round of the 1979 draft. Steve Beuerlein, taken by the Raiders in the fourth round in 1987, had one Pro Bowl season with Carolina 12 years later. Mirer was the second pick overall in 1993 by Seattle and had a good rookie year, but he eventually became a journeyman.

Brandt said part of the problem is Notre Dame's quarterbacks tend to have inflated value because of the media spotlight on the school.

"Beano Cook created Ron Powlus because when he played there as a freshman he was going to be the Heisman Trophy winner for two years and so forth," he said. "I think that probably some of the quarterbacks they've had there were probably overrated. They probably weren't as good as people thought."

Another problem, he said, is that for years the Irish ran an option-oriented offense that didn't prepare players as well for the NFL.

Powlus, who is now the Irish quarterbacks coach after two years as director of personnel development, agrees, crediting the pro-style offense Weis brought to Notre Dame from New England.

"Every guy on our football team is more prepared for the NFL than a lot of other places because of coach Weis," he said.

Quinn, who also ran the West Coast offense for two years under Tyrone Willingham, says playing for Weis was an "internship" that taught him how to prepare for a game, how to deal with a head coach and what an NFL coach will expect from him.

"Every step of the way, Notre Dame has prepared me better than I think I would have been prepared at any other university," he said.

Quinn, who got a degree in December in finance and political science, has expressed frustration about reports of his draft status moving up or down. But more frustrating is not knowing where he will end up.

"I'll sit down and think, 'I don't have a clue where I'm going to live.' I'm one of those guys who like to plan ahead, so it's kind of hard," he said.

Weis doesn't know either, but he's confident Quinn will go early in the draft because he's ready to play early.

"I think that's significant. This is the day of free agency. You no longer have the luxury of taking someone that high in the draft and sitting there for a few years while you're waiting for them to get ready to play," he said. "You'd better be able to put them in there and play them."
I don't remember the talent that Powlus & Mirer had around them. I HAVE to think it was substantially better than what Quinn had to work with. Maybe I'm wrong...
 
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Mirer had the likes of Anthony Johnson, Todd Lyght, Chris Zorich, Ricky Watters, Rodney Culver, Jerome Bettis, Reggie Brooks, Tom Carter, Rocket Ismail, Irv Smith, Bob Dahl, Derek Brown, Rod Smith (DB), Bryant Young, Jeff Burris and Aaron Taylor, to name a few.

Powlus had Ray Zellars, Bobby Taylor, Oliver Gibson, Derrick Mayes, Renaldo Wynn, Marc Edwards, Bertrand Berry and Allen Rossum as some of his more notable, drafted teammates.

So, Mirer definitely had more to work with. Powlus? :thumbup: It's a toss-up.

 
I actually think that Quinn is doing it the correct way. He's constructed a process that gives him a chance to completely prepare for one aspect at a time. If he executes this well he presents himself as a player that can analyze a situation, listen to experts, prepare and execute. I know the NFL execs would like to have seen him work out at the combine, but IMO, there is nothing but downside for a top 2 player at a position that is typically drafted early.
Yeah, a guy who can't workout and interview at the same time is the kind of QB I want to lead my team. Whoever drafts him will deserve him.
Then he's definitely going to the Raiders...
 
Quinn was on Fox Radio all day yesterday, as was Peterson. Each are representing Sprint and promoting Sprint's NFL Live Draft update marketing campaign. I caught Quinn 3 different times.

He has been well coached in terms of what to say; when to say it and how to say it. In terms of his ability to say all the right things there is probably nobody better in the draft. Quinn is polished and the agent has done a great job thus far.

He could very well be the most pro ready QB prospect in this class too, which is speaking directly at what resides inside the helmet between the ears. There is a high level of general and football intelligence with him and he should be able to adopt to a new system/learn a new playbook in short order. His overall IQ rating is very high. I do not know anywhere enough about him on a personal level to place an EQ (Emotional Quotient) rating on him. I just know what I saw and I did not like it.

My concern is what I noticed on the field against teams not named Stanford, Air Force, Navy and Army. It is just my personal opinion but I do not see it in Quinn. Not in a down in-down out fashion. It was very clear last year at this time that Young had it. Of course, Young in the NFL was a hot topic around here last year at this time but I was consistent with my feelings about him. It was clear Leinart had it. I had not seen enough of Cutler last year so I could not speak to his it factor to have an educated opinion of him. I have seen enough of Quinn and I just do not see what I saw in Young or Leinart, which is speaking to those human intangibles needed to excel at the QB position not physical abilities.

He is not the guy I would want to play hard for nor is he who I would want under center during a 2:00 drill. He always appeared to be whiny or have a hung head look about him during games if and when it was not going his way. Anyone can kick the living (blank) out of the bad teams. A program like Notre Dame is expected to throttle Navy. However, it is not how you do on your best day that really matters. It is how you respond on your bad days is what distinguishes one person from the next. Anyone can deal and react to a good day. Few can deal and react to a bad day. Quinn will be going to a bad team...please, God, not my Lions...and what I worry about is how he will respond, which is based off of what I saw unfold on television.

That is almost unfair to say, though, because as I said myself I do not know enough about him personally to accurately determine his EQ. I could be entirely wrong but from time to time perception is reality. The opinion I have formulated about him comes from what I saw on television. I will never openly root against a young man attempting to make it in the NFL. It is just bad form so I wish him the best. I would love to see him prove me wrong...especially if he becomes a Lion...but I think he will have a difficult time finding success.

 
Quinn was on Fox Radio all day yesterday, as was Peterson. Each are representing Sprint and promoting Sprint's NFL Live Draft update marketing campaign. I caught Quinn 3 different times.

He has been well coached in terms of what to say; when to say it and how to say it. In terms of his ability to say all the right things there is probably nobody better in the draft. Quinn is polished and the agent has done a great job thus far.

He could very well be the most pro ready QB prospect in this class too, which is speaking directly at what resides inside the helmet between the ears. There is a high level of general and football intelligence with him and he should be able to adopt to a new system/learn a new playbook in short order. His overall IQ rating is very high. I do not know anywhere enough about him on a personal level to place an EQ (Emotional Quotient) rating on him. I just know what I saw and I did not like it.

My concern is what I noticed on the field against teams not named Stanford, Air Force, Navy and Army. It is just my personal opinion but I do not see it in Quinn. Not in a down in-down out fashion. It was very clear last year at this time that Young had it. Of course, Young in the NFL was a hot topic around here last year at this time but I was consistent with my feelings about him. It was clear Leinart had it. I had not seen enough of Cutler last year so I could not speak to his it factor to have an educated opinion of him. I have seen enough of Quinn and I just do not see what I saw in Young or Leinart, which is speaking to those human intangibles needed to excel at the QB position not physical abilities.

He is not the guy I would want to play hard for nor is he who I would want under center during a 2:00 drill. He always appeared to be whiny or have a hung head look about him during games if and when it was not going his way. Anyone can kick the living (blank) out of the bad teams. A program like Notre Dame is expected to throttle Navy. However, it is not how you do on your best day that really matters. It is how you respond on your bad days is what distinguishes one person from the next. Anyone can deal and react to a good day. Few can deal and react to a bad day. Quinn will be going to a bad team...please, God, not my Lions...and what I worry about is how he will respond, which is based off of what I saw unfold on television.

That is almost unfair to say, though, because as I said myself I do not know enough about him personally to accurately determine his EQ. I could be entirely wrong but from time to time perception is reality. The opinion I have formulated about him comes from what I saw on television. I will never openly root against a young man attempting to make it in the NFL. It is just bad form so I wish him the best. I would love to see him prove me wrong...especially if he becomes a Lion...but I think he will have a difficult time finding success.
It is rare that I disagree with you, or feel that you are being a bit short sighted, but I believe you are here. I won't win a college football debate with you, because you know far more than I do. I just think in terms of talent, Notre Dame currently isn't what Notre Dane used to be. It is getting better, but it is not there yet. Should they throttle Navy? Absolutely. Similarly, they should be throttled by LSU. It seems that when discussing Brady Quinn, everyone ignores how he performed against similarly talented teams: Penn State, Georgia Tech, Miichigan State. IMO, the main difference between those teams and ND was Quinn and Weis, not talent. He did very well against two of those teams. He led a remarkable comeback against Michigan State on the road after a bad defeat to Michigan. A lot of teams would have quit there. That game told me his guys play for him. Quinn can not put a non talented team on his back. However, if you put him with a imaginative offensive coordinator and surround him with average talent by 2009, I believe that he will do very well.

 
Quinn was on Fox Radio all day yesterday, as was Peterson. Each are representing Sprint and promoting Sprint's NFL Live Draft update marketing campaign. I caught Quinn 3 different times.

He has been well coached in terms of what to say; when to say it and how to say it. In terms of his ability to say all the right things there is probably nobody better in the draft. Quinn is polished and the agent has done a great job thus far.

He could very well be the most pro ready QB prospect in this class too, which is speaking directly at what resides inside the helmet between the ears. There is a high level of general and football intelligence with him and he should be able to adopt to a new system/learn a new playbook in short order. His overall IQ rating is very high. I do not know anywhere enough about him on a personal level to place an EQ (Emotional Quotient) rating on him. I just know what I saw and I did not like it.

My concern is what I noticed on the field against teams not named Stanford, Air Force, Navy and Army. It is just my personal opinion but I do not see it in Quinn. Not in a down in-down out fashion. It was very clear last year at this time that Young had it. Of course, Young in the NFL was a hot topic around here last year at this time but I was consistent with my feelings about him. It was clear Leinart had it. I had not seen enough of Cutler last year so I could not speak to his it factor to have an educated opinion of him. I have seen enough of Quinn and I just do not see what I saw in Young or Leinart, which is speaking to those human intangibles needed to excel at the QB position not physical abilities.

He is not the guy I would want to play hard for nor is he who I would want under center during a 2:00 drill. He always appeared to be whiny or have a hung head look about him during games if and when it was not going his way. Anyone can kick the living (blank) out of the bad teams. A program like Notre Dame is expected to throttle Navy. However, it is not how you do on your best day that really matters. It is how you respond on your bad days is what distinguishes one person from the next. Anyone can deal and react to a good day. Few can deal and react to a bad day. Quinn will be going to a bad team...please, God, not my Lions...and what I worry about is how he will respond, which is based off of what I saw unfold on television.

That is almost unfair to say, though, because as I said myself I do not know enough about him personally to accurately determine his EQ. I could be entirely wrong but from time to time perception is reality. The opinion I have formulated about him comes from what I saw on television. I will never openly root against a young man attempting to make it in the NFL. It is just bad form so I wish him the best. I would love to see him prove me wrong...especially if he becomes a Lion...but I think he will have a difficult time finding success.
It is rare that I disagree with you, or feel that you are being a bit short sighted, but I believe you are here. I won't win a college football debate with you, because you know far more than I do. I just think in terms of talent, Notre Dame currently isn't what Notre Dane used to be. It is getting better, but it is not there yet. Should they throttle Navy? Absolutely. Similarly, they should be throttled by LSU. It seems that when discussing Brady Quinn, everyone ignores how he performed against similarly talented teams: Penn State, Georgia Tech, Miichigan State. IMO, the main difference between those teams and ND was Quinn and Weis, not talent. He did very well against two of those teams. He led a remarkable comeback against Michigan State on the road after a bad defeat to Michigan. A lot of teams would have quit there. That game told me his guys play for him. Quinn can not put a non talented team on his back. However, if you put him with a imaginative offensive coordinator and surround him with average talent by 2009, I believe that he will do very well.
Totally understand and I have been very upfront about being a contrarian about Quinn. I just never had a chance to relay or define what it was that I saw that really bugged me. I really appreciate how you wrote the response too, as things tend head right to a sword fight from time to time. I saw the good. I understand the point(s) regarding the Notre Dame talent of previous years vs. the talent Quinn played with in South Bend. I can process the kid has talent and an exceptional head on his shoulders. However, I just saw something in his body language more often than not that really bothered me...REALLY...bothered me that I cannot ignore. I am going to try and give an example that most...many...can understand or at least I hope.

You remember playing youth sports (9-12 age range) with the kid that was the absolute beat tail athlete? Remember how that kid...more often than not...had a bad to very bad attitude on the field when someone else messed up; turned the ball over; a penalty or error were committed and how that kid would tend to pitch a vocal or visual fit when bad things happened?

I see some of that in Quinn. It scares me especially as a Lions fan. Maybe that makes sense or maybe it does not but I did my best to try and capture what I have noticed.

 
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It does make sense to me. However, I saw that same hang dog look from Marino, he turned out alright. For years, Peyton Manning looked like an abused child in playoff losses. He found a way through that. I just belief that just because you sometimes struggle with adversity at age 22, it doesn't mean you always will. HE has had some great moments as well.

 
I saw the good. I understand the point(s) regarding the Notre Dame talent of previous years vs. the talent Quinn played with in South Bend. I can process the kid has talent and an exceptional head on his shoulders. However, I just saw something in his body language more often than not that really bothered me...REALLY...bothered me that I cannot ignore. I am going to try and give an example that most...many...can understand or at least I hope.

You remember playing youth sports (9-12 age range) with the kid that was the absolute beat tail athlete? Remember how that kid...more often than not...had a bad to very bad attitude on the field when someone else messed up; turned the ball over; a penalty or error were committed and how that kid would tend to pitch a vocal or visual fit when bad things happened?

I see some of that in Quinn. It scares me especially as a Lions fan. Maybe that makes sense or maybe it does not but I did my best to try and capture what I have noticed.
As a side note - You sound like you're describing Eli Manning. I HATE his body language on the field when anything goes wrong.I remember liking Philip Rivers when he came out for the simple reason that he was a four year starter at a D1 school. I suppose that thinking translates to Quinn too, maybe a bit too much.

 
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I just wanted to add that I really appreciate a pleasant difference of opinion as opposed to surly disagreement as well. As always, I appreciate your opinion, especially when it differs from mine. It makes me look again with fresh eyes at my conclusions.

 
I saw the good. I understand the point(s) regarding the Notre Dame talent of previous years vs. the talent Quinn played with in South Bend. I can process the kid has talent and an exceptional head on his shoulders. However, I just saw something in his body language more often than not that really bothered me...REALLY...bothered me that I cannot ignore. I am going to try and give an example that most...many...can understand or at least I hope.

You remember playing youth sports (9-12 age range) with the kid that was the absolute beat tail athlete? Remember how that kid...more often than not...had a bad to very bad attitude on the field when someone else messed up; turned the ball over; a penalty or error were committed and how that kid would tend to pitch a vocal or visual fit when bad things happened?

I see some of that in Quinn. It scares me especially as a Lions fan. Maybe that makes sense or maybe it does not but I did my best to try and capture what I have noticed.
As a side note - You sound like you're describing Eli Manning. I HATE his body language on the field when anything goes wrong.I remember liking Philip Rivers when he came out for the simple reason that he was a four year starter at a D1 school. I suppose that thinking translates to Quinn too, maybe a bit too much.
Of course reading body language is an inexact science, and judging Quinn by his hanging head or slumped shoulders is pretty thin evidence. I could direct you to the USC game his Junior year when he was fired up start to finish and Leinart was the one hanging his head before that final drive. I hated what I saw in Leinart many times his senior season. At Oregon and at Arizona State in particularly, Leinart practically gave up on his team, and that massive OL, Bush and White took over for their inept psychologically damaged QB. It really really bugged me that so few saw those games and what happened.Quinn took over with very solid and positive leadership in a comeback win against UCLA last year. I was impressed. I announced shortly thereafter that I thought he deserved his franchise grade. I've been aboard the Jamarcus Russell bandwagon a long time, but in the Cutler/Leinart debates I mentioned Quinn had to prove it to me yet. He did...

But then he lost me. The more I watched Quinn the more I saw something very disturbing that goes to what Who Dat is arguing. Though I have seen him battle it out and lead his team in tough situations, I have also seen him play inexplicably lame when the chips are down. No matter how bad the beat down Florida gave Ohio State, Troy Smith continued to execute to the best of his ability. He kept his head up and he continued to try and find something that would work. It was futile, but he was valiant and went down fighting. LSU gave Notre Dame the exact same kind of beat down, but Quinn just checked out. I am serious. If you can get a hold of that game, you will see Quinn (on several occassions)) drop back and heave the ball as if he is under huge pressure even if he isn't. Panic had set in. His composure was gone. I had the feeling 3 and out couldn't come fast enough for him. I really hated that performance and I posted here immediately that I had dropped him considerably in my estimation.

I guess if he lands on a very good team in a choice situation things may go well, but do not expect him to take a mediocre or poor team to any heights. It is not in his makeup regardless of his ad campaign. Franchise talent is there physically, but I think the lacks a few key psychological needs. I'd rather have Edwards early in the 2nd. He's tough as nails and never gives up.

 

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