The Cam Newton Effect (1 Viewer)

[rizzler]

Cam has a good shot at the HOF.

Jumping the gun a lil?

Not even mathematically possible on this board. Cam Newton's unborn son has a good shot at being in the 2041 class.

The term "HOFer" has lost all meaning.Guys getting crowned before they even enter the damned NFL.Dozens of legends rolling in their graves.

 

[cstu]

another thing...

Cam went 2.16 and 2.18 in dynasty rookie drafts!!??!!??

I want in. now.

He went first overall in your draft. You guys are indeed sharks. I'm pretty sure I picked him up early second last year, and was kicking myself for wasting the pick on him.

Lots of knocks on the kid at the time. The media basically assassinated him on multiple levels. It was a complete smear campaign until game 1. Then it was a Cam Circle Jerk by the media.

I always thought that this board had a 1 year memory, now it seems they have about an 8 month memory if everyone thinks this kid was a slam dunk last year. Outside of start 2 QB leagues, I doubt he went in the top 5 in less than 5% of leagues considering who else was available (Green, Julio, Ingram, etc).

It's amazing how quickly people forget all the questions there were about Cam at the time and like I said earlier, most people thought they already had a top starting QB and didn't need him.

 

[Clifford]

In my 2QB dynasty league someone took Locker over him. Opinions were all over the place. I questioned his ability to read NFL coverages and pick up the playbook quickly. Hell, there were even people that thought he wouldn't start over Clausen at one point.

 

[cstu]

Why do people try to knock what Cam did last year while completely omitting the fact that he did it as a rookie with virtually no offseason program? How good do you think he might have been if he hadn't been spoonfed the playbook over the course of the year and actually had time to learn and practice it for a few months beforehand? They're both exceptional athletes, but because of an offseason schedule and training camp, Griffin is going to have a huge advantage as a rookie that Cam didn't have.... and I still don't expect him to be as productive.Cam can be scary good if the reports on his work ethic are accurate, and I haven't heard a negative word about him here in Charlotte since he was drafted.

I don't expect him to be as good as Cam. I think expecting Cam to be is good as 2011 Cam is risky. It was a historic season. Banking on that happening again is folly.

I expect his numbers to come close but I don't think he'll get 14 rushing TD's again. As long as he stays healthy I think he'll be a top fantasy QB just like Culpepper was. Having a QB who can score with his legs near the goal line is huge in fantasy.

 

[pantherclub]

Cam has a good shot at the HOF.

Jumping the gun a lil?

Not even mathematically possible on this board. Cam Newton's unborn son has a good shot at being in the 2041 class.

The term "HOFer" has lost all meaning.Guys getting crowned before they even enter the damned NFL.Dozens of legends rolling in their graves.

Like you and RG3?

 

[Clifford]

Obviously I wasn't suggesting anything about whether he will get in, just saying that given his physical talents, he has a shot. Obviously it will take 12-14 years of better production and that is asking a lot.

 

[rizzler]

Like you and RG3?

It's so cute how massive your crush on me is. But in an attempt to be funny, you've lost the plot.Never, ever said RG3 will be a HOF'er

 

[Steelers4Life]

Why do people try to knock what Cam did last year while completely omitting the fact that he did it as a rookie with virtually no offseason program? How good do you think he might have been if he hadn't been spoonfed the playbook over the course of the year and actually had time to learn and practice it for a few months beforehand? They're both exceptional athletes, but because of an offseason schedule and training camp, Griffin is going to have a huge advantage as a rookie that Cam didn't have.... and I still don't expect him to be as productive.Cam can be scary good if the reports on his work ethic are accurate, and I haven't heard a negative word about him here in Charlotte since he was drafted.

I don't expect him to be as good as Cam. I think expecting Cam to be is good as 2011 Cam is risky. It was a historic season. Banking on that happening again is folly.

I expect his numbers to come close but I don't think he'll get 14 rushing TD's again. As long as he stays healthy I think he'll be a top fantasy QB just like Culpepper was. Having a QB who can score with his legs near the goal line is huge in fantasy.

There are just as many reasons - if not more - to think Cam will be better this year than there are reasons to think he'll be worse.The only reason I can think of that he'd be worse is because he set the bar so high, but his season was historical mainly because he was a rookie. He has a lot of room for improvement in the passing game, and with an entire offseason for the first time, I don't think it's all that unlikely that anything he loses in the running game will be made up for by an improvement in his passing and timing. An an improvement in his arm might just open up a few more running lanes for him, too.

 

[Nero]

People keep comparing RG3 and Newton but their situations and abilities are not even remotely close.

Please explain your thoughts here. I think this is a worthy topic, and hope we can get some solid debate going. Their situations are similar in that both are top picks and are one weaker teams. Both can run (albeit with different styles), both have cannon arms and are hard workers with high football intelligence. Both seem to have a passion for the game.

Cam is not the passer RG3 is coming out of college. Cam is a better athlete and runs like a running back whereas RG3 runs for speed. IF that makes any sense. Newton is a freak of nature and is often the biggest guy and strongest guy on the field. Defenses had to build specific plans around his skill set to try and stop him. I dont see that happening with RG3.I could be wrong but I watched every snap of Newtons last year and probably about 3-4 Baylor games and I dont see a comparison at all between the 2.

Cam had 264 carries 1473 yards and 20 rushing TD's in his final year at Auburn. RG3 had 328 carries 1334 yards and 18 TD's in his final two years at Baylor. That said, Cam was twice as likely to run and score rushing TD's than RG3 in college. I've never seen an NFL QB get as many called run plays as Cam, not even Vick. The called runs will not happen with RG3. He wont be running the read option. He will not score as much with his legs. He is not remotely close to Cam.

 

[Eminence]

If RG3 came out last year, he'd be drafted higher than Newton. Think when Vick came out. People are excited about this kids skillset.

 

[lbouchard]

If RG3 came out last year, he'd be drafted higher than Newton. Think when Vick came out. People are excited about this kids skillset.

Yes, RG3 is much more developed as a passer. But he is nowhere near the runner Cam is, and that's what makes Cam so good in fantasy. Cam runs like a running back as someone said, and demonstrates vision and elusiveness and power and such. RG3 is fast as hell, but he's not as gifted running the ball. I consider Cam nearly a lock for 10 TDs on the ground at a minimum. RG3 is much more Vick like, but still not as good of a runner as Vick. His running TDs will fluctuate, like Vick's do, from 8 one year (maximum) to 1 the next year.

 

[massraider]

Cam is twice the athlete RGIII is. I would say RGIII is a much more polished passer and a higher football IQ than Cam.

Either one of two things are happening here:1. Football IQ is dramatically overrated.Or2. People need to re-evaluate their opinion of Newton's football IQ.

 

[EBF]

From a pure passing ability standpoint:

Cam Newton in 2010:

66.1% completions

10.2 yards per attempt

4.28 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

RG3 in 2011:

72.4% completions

10.8 yards per attempt

6.0 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

The numbers favor Griffin across the board, but not by a landslide. Cam was a better runner. He had a lot more yards. And he did all of this as a first year starter working with an inferior set of pass catchers. Baylor had Kendall Wright (first round pick) and I think they have another WR who is expected to be drafted next year. Also, RG3 was far more experienced. If you look at his junior year numbers, Cam's are quite a bit better.

 

[Hang 10]

From a pure passing ability standpoint:

Cam Newton in 2010:

66.1% completions

10.2 yards per attempt

4.28 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

RG3 in 2011:

72.4% completions

10.8 yards per attempt

6.0 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

The numbers favor Griffin across the board, but not by a landslide. Cam was a better runner. He had a lot more yards. And he did all of this as a first year starter working with an inferior set of pass catchers. Baylor had Kendall Wright (first round pick) and I think they have another WR who is expected to be drafted next year. Also, RG3 was far more experienced. If you look at his junior year numbers, Cam's are quite a bit better.

Kinda convenient that you left out passing yardage, isn't it?

 

[lbouchard]

From a pure passing ability standpoint:

Cam Newton in 2010:

66.1% completions

10.2 yards per attempt

4.28 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

RG3 in 2011:

72.4% completions

10.8 yards per attempt

6.0 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

The numbers favor Griffin across the board, but not by a landslide. Cam was a better runner. He had a lot more yards. And he did all of this as a first year starter working with an inferior set of pass catchers. Baylor had Kendall Wright (first round pick) and I think they have another WR who is expected to be drafted next year. Also, RG3 was far more experienced. If you look at his junior year numbers, Cam's are quite a bit better.

Kinda convenient that you left out passing yardage, isn't it?

No. Passing yardage is a volume stat. He listed efficiency stats. Efficiency>>volume

 

[Hang 10]

From a pure passing ability standpoint:

Cam Newton in 2010:

66.1% completions

10.2 yards per attempt

4.28 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

RG3 in 2011:

72.4% completions

10.8 yards per attempt

6.0 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

The numbers favor Griffin across the board, but not by a landslide. Cam was a better runner. He had a lot more yards. And he did all of this as a first year starter working with an inferior set of pass catchers. Baylor had Kendall Wright (first round pick) and I think they have another WR who is expected to be drafted next year. Also, RG3 was far more experienced. If you look at his junior year numbers, Cam's are quite a bit better.

Kinda convenient that you left out passing yardage, isn't it?

No. Passing yardage is a volume stat. He listed efficiency stats. Efficiency>>volume

Newton had more rushing attempts than completions at auburn. Volume was definitely a major factor in people not immediately buying into Cam.

 

[strong]

Same here, went in the early second. The person who picked him did not even want him, but nothing else of value was really left to draft.

Late first, here, in salary cap/dynasty league. His value wan't that high before the preseason. After a couple preseason games, Owner traded him to me before the season for cap space. I'm pretty sure he was dropping to mid second round in dynasty leagues just before game four of the preseason when he actually looked decent.

 

[Pipes]

From a pure passing ability standpoint:

Cam Newton in 2010:

66.1% completions

10.2 yards per attempt

4.28 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

RG3 in 2011:

72.4% completions

10.8 yards per attempt

6.0 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

The numbers favor Griffin across the board, but not by a landslide. Cam was a better runner. He had a lot more yards. And he did all of this as a first year starter working with an inferior set of pass catchers. Baylor had Kendall Wright (first round pick) and I think they have another WR who is expected to be drafted next year. Also, RG3 was far more experienced. If you look at his junior year numbers, Cam's are quite a bit better.

Kinda convenient that you left out passing yardage, isn't it?

No. Passing yardage is a volume stat. He listed efficiency stats. Efficiency>>volume

But if you factor in the volume Griffin's efficiency numbers vs Newton look much better due to the larger number of throws.Not knocking Newton in any way just hate when people don't paint the entire picture.

 

[squistion]

From a pure passing ability standpoint:

Cam Newton in 2010:

66.1% completions

10.2 yards per attempt

4.28 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

RG3 in 2011:

72.4% completions

10.8 yards per attempt

6.0 to 1 TD:INT Ratio

The numbers favor Griffin across the board, but not by a landslide. Cam was a better runner. He had a lot more yards. And he did all of this as a first year starter working with an inferior set of pass catchers. Baylor had Kendall Wright (first round pick) and I think they have another WR who is expected to be drafted next year. Also, RG3 was far more experienced. If you look at his junior year numbers, Cam's are quite a bit better.

Kinda convenient that you left out passing yardage, isn't it?

No. Passing yardage is a volume stat. He listed efficiency stats. Efficiency>>volume

But if you factor in the volume Griffin's efficiency numbers vs Newton look much better due to the larger number of throws.Not knocking Newton in any way just hate when people don't paint the entire picture.

EBF tends to cherry pick statistics. You can be assured that if Newton had actual better passing yardage numbers than RG3, they would have been included. For the record in the years listed, RG3 passed for 4293 yards, 37 TDs and 6 INTs versus 2854 yards, 30 TD and 7 INTs for Newton. That is over 1400 more yards and 7 more TDs for RG3 with about the same number of INTs. But he was talking about "pure passing ability," not results on the field, so yeah, in theory they are not that much different.

 

[SWC]

fact is that cam newton is not only a good player but he is a nice guy and that has to count for something brohans so take it to the bank that he will have another great year dominate the league and be on the rise to levels that you never even dreamed were possible raise up for cam newton the destructor or ordinary qb records my brothers