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I think he's just a whiner, but I thought at the least it was a good read, and worth sharing. Even though it does nothing to change anything, and I still don't care. Maybe some of you might.

If anyone has a dead horse, now is the time to get it.

http://sportsforum.ws/showthread.php?t=157997

 
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Wow! I thought it was bad but I had no idea it was this atrocious!
That was silly. I can freeze frame a hundred fuzzy things during a game and make it look like it was a bad call.He points to Hope holding because of a clenched (not clinched) fist, but there is no way from that grainy picture that you can tell that he even has a hold of the arm and if he was holding it sure didn't seem to impede Jackson from getting open. Funny how he doesn't show a picture of DJ with his hand on Hope. Based on his silly freeze frames I bet it would look a lot more like offensive PI than in it did in live motion.

Quoting sportswriters that are trying to be as controversial is silly because of course they are going to ride the refs, but to say the Seahawks would have won without the bad reffing is missing a lot.

I can agree that the refs were not at their best, but lets say things did change a bit, then maybe Roethlisberger doesn't throw an INT in the second half because that play right there turned what could have been a rout into a close game. If Roethlisberger throws the easy TD instead of the INT, then it is a 21-3 lead for Pittsburgh.

So if you can say if this or that call changed the Seahawks would have won, then you are forgetting that Pittsburgh was going for an 18 point lead in the 3rd Quarter and if not for a horrible game by Ben, they could have easily gotten it.

 
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Wow!  I thought it was bad but I had no idea it was this atrocious!
That was silly. I can freeze frame a hundred fuzzy things during a game and make it look like it was a bad call.He points to Hope holding because of a clenched (not clinched) fist, but there is no way from that grainy picture that you can tell that he even has a hold of the arm and if he was holding it sure didn't seem to impede Jackson from getting open. Funny how he doesn't show a picture of DJ with his hand on Hope. Based on his silly freeze frames I bet it would look a lot more like offensive PI than in it did in live motion.

Quoting sportswriters that are trying to be as controversial is silly because of course they are going to ride the refs, but to say the Seahawks would have won without the bad reffing is missing a lot.

I can agree that the refs were not at their best, but lets say things did change a bit, then maybe Roethlisberger doesn't throw an INT in the second half because that play right there turned what could have been a rout into a close game. If Roethlisberger throws the easy TD instead of the INT, then it is a 21-3 lead for Pittsburgh.

So if you can say if this or that call changed the Seahawks would have won, then you are forgetting that Pittsburgh was going for an 18 point lead in the 3rd Quarter and if not for a horrible game by Ben, they could have easily gotten it.
:goodposting: lets also not forget Hasselsuck's untimely interception deep in Pitt territory that could have really turn the table for the seahawks, so despite 'bad' calls, Hasselsuck still didn't get it done...his penalty at the end of that play didn't help matters, either..

you can call holding on nearly every single play in football, if you really want to..

did djax push off in the endzone? yes.

does the rule state that the ball has to cross the pylon or the goalline to score a TD? yes. djax never got the ball across the line, and never got 2 feet in bounds..

what about the Seattle defense giving up the longest td run in SB history? what about the Seattle defense NOT making a play at 3rd-and-a-country-mile when Ben threw up a hail mary pass before stepping over the line of scrimmage..how does that defense give him THAT much time, how does the secondary let a WR get open to catch it at the 1??? no one talks about the missed FG's from Seattle, either...seems like its one excuse after another for their loss..lol..

why doesn't anyone mention the absolutely horrible play calling from Holmgren,both at the end of the first quarter,and again at the end of the game????

they COULD have won it,despite the 'bad' calls by the refs....

take desmond howard out of the packers/NE SB, and Holmgren is another Dan Reeves , i.e., a perenially losing SB head coach...lol

 
Here are my comments on this :

MLBrandow - last summer I spent 2 nights at the Hilton Garden Inn in your beautiful town of Temple Terrace. Had a great time at Clearwater Beach and at Busch Gardens. Temple Terrace is a nice, quiet little town - great proximity to Tampa without the hustle and bustle of city life. Good times.

 
Wow, that game was three weeks ago and people are still postiong stuff like that? Get a life already.

 
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Wow, that game was three weeks ago and people are still postiong stuff like that? Get a life already.
Although I agree with you, I do find it humorous that your post is in a Fantasy Football - Shark Pool Forum in late February.
 
The calls in this game have been analyzed to death by people a lot more knowledgable than this guy and with no bias. The conclusion is that were some close calls but only 1 that was definitely incorrect: the low-block call against Hasselbeck.

The Super Bowl is over, the Steelers won, time to look forward to the 2006 season.

 
The calls in this game have been analyzed to death by people a lot more knowledgable than this guy and with no bias. The conclusion is that were some close calls but only 1 that was definitely incorrect: the low-block call against Hasselbeck.

The Super Bowl is over, the Steelers won, time to look forward to the 2006 season.
SIX in '06! Here we go Steelers, Here we go!

Only thing that would make a repeat sweeter is kickin' cry-baby Holmgren butt again in the big game!

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Go to NFL.com, video and audio, more free video, official review:Super Bowl XL

Pereira explains every call, the only mistake was the Hasselbeck personal foul call after the INT. On the PI by Jackson in the endzone, people are complaining that Hope touched him first, but Hasselbeck was out of the pocket so he was allowed to touch Jackson.

Get over it people....

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Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?

 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's the argument you've heard all the Steelers fans present, isn't it? LINK?Bottom line. Ugly game, we played less ugly than they did.

 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's the argument you've heard all the Steelers fans present, isn't it? LINK?Bottom line. Ugly game, we played less ugly than they did.
:confused: Am I not allowed to defend the Steelers?
 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
And if you throw out your dad's penis, he'd be your mom.I swear, this is almost as bad as the Raiders fans with the tuck rule thing. (Another game that the Raiders had plenty of opportunity to win after the fateful, correct call).

 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
According to superbowl.com, teams have been assessed fewer penalties than the Steelers 14 times in 40 Super Bowls. If you like, you could look up how many other teams have had three penalties -- this would probably add at least another half dozen teams to the list.WARNING: Looking at box scores will introduce actual facts into this discussion.

 
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According to superbowl.com, teams have been assessed fewer penalties than the Steelers 14 times in 40 Super Bowls. If you like, you could look up how many other teams have had three penalties -- this would probably add at least another dozen teams to the list
Seperate out the false starts. Theres not a lot of room for judgement calls when a 300 pound lineman suddenly stands up when nobody else is moving. The Steelers got 1 call against them during play. How many teams have done that? More importantly how often has the ratio been so slanted?
 
According to superbowl.com, teams have been assessed fewer penalties than the Steelers 14 times in 40 Super Bowls. If you like, you could look up how many other teams have had three penalties -- this would probably add at least another dozen teams to the list
Seperate out the false starts. Theres not a lot of room for judgement calls when a 300 pound lineman suddenly stands up when nobody else is moving. The Steelers got 1 call against them during play. How many teams have done that? More importantly how often has the ratio been so slanted?
Actually there is and it happened in....Super Bowl 40.
 
Im only crying because i missed out on what should have been a good game. I had no dog in the hunt. As an American citizen i am legally entitled to a good Superbowl and that one sucked because the officiating was bru-tal and we all know it. Steelers fans somehow feel the need to defend the officials in order to defend their team. I get the feeling if the Steelers had been more dominating (or at all dominating) on the field they wouldnt be so defensive about the officiating help. A confident teams response would have been 'we could have played the game with no officials at all and kicked the crap out of Seattle' but that clearly was _not_ the case.

 
According to superbowl.com, teams have been assessed fewer penalties than the Steelers 14 times in 40 Super Bowls. If you like, you could look up how many other teams have had three penalties -- this would probably add at least another (half) dozen teams to the list
Seperate out the false starts. Theres not a lot of room for judgement calls when a 300 pound lineman suddenly stands up when nobody else is moving. The Steelers got 1 call against them during play. How many teams have done that? More importantly how often has the ratio been so slanted?
OK. Separate out the Seattle holds. It is fairly common for a team to be called for multiple holding calls when they attempt 49 passes in the game. Sound silly? Not nearly as much as your argument. More importantly, there is no easy access to which calls were false starts in other Super Bowls.By the way, one team having 4 more penalties than the other team happened 13 other times in the 39 previous Super Bowls (that's 1 out of 3 for the division-impaired). Not unusual.

 
Im only crying because i missed out on what should have been a good game. I had no dog in the hunt. As an American citizen i am legally entitled to a good Superbowl and that one sucked because the officiating was bru-tal and we all know it. Steelers fans somehow feel the need to defend the officials in order to defend their team. I get the feeling if the Steelers had been more dominating (or at all dominating) on the field they wouldnt be so defensive about the officiating help. A confident teams response would have been 'we could have played the game with no officials at all and kicked the crap out of Seattle' but that clearly was _not_ the case.
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OK. Separate out the Seattle holds. It is fairly common for a team to be called for multiple holding calls when they attempt 49 passes in the game. Sound silly? Not nearly as much as your argument.
Its silly to suggest that a hold is far more subjective than a false start? Seems even Madden was arguing the 2 big holds on Seattle were ticky-tack. Have you ever heard of a ticky-tack false start?
 
Poorly argued, and the visuals don't prove anything close to what the poster claims it does.

I have no idea what his supposed "Stealer" non-calls are trying to prove, but I don't see a penalty in any of the still frames.

Very weak effort. :thumbdown:

 
Im only crying because i missed out on what should have been a good game. I had no dog in the hunt. As an American citizen i am legally entitled to a good Superbowl and that one sucked because the officiating was bru-tal and we all know it. Steelers fans somehow feel the need to defend the officials in order to defend their team. I get the feeling if the Steelers had been more dominating (or at all dominating) on the field they wouldnt be so defensive about the officiating help. A confident teams response would have been 'we could have played the game with no officials at all and kicked the crap out of Seattle' but that clearly was _not_ the case.
What's the point? You are still going to :cry: about the officiating.The Seahawks top ranked offense only scored one TD -- if you have a gripe about the SB not being a good game you should be blaming the Seahawks for contiually shooting themselves in the foot.

The Steelers played a more difficult schedule than Seattle, played tougher teams during the playoffs than Seattle ON THE ROAD, and beat the Seahawks by 11 points in the Super Bowl. Not much more to say.

 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's the argument you've heard all the Steelers fans present, isn't it? LINK?Bottom line. Ugly game, we played less ugly than they did.
:confused: Am I not allowed to defend the Steelers?
Just an FYI: Sarcasm is usually useful or appropriate if you're actually funny.
 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's the argument you've heard all the Steelers fans present, isn't it? LINK?Bottom line. Ugly game, we played less ugly than they did.
:confused: Am I not allowed to defend the Steelers?
Just an FYI: Sarcasm is usually useful or appropriate if you're actually funny.
Sorry about that. The first one flew way over your head so I had to lower the bar.
 
I've seen this posted in multiple places, but not here.

20 reasons the refs' calls didn't matter...1. The Refs didn't give up the longest run in SB history...Seattle's defense did.2. The Refs didn't bite on a 43 yd trick play, Randle to Ward for a TD...Seattle's defense did.3. The Refs didn't allow Ben to scramble around on a 3rd and 28 and complete a long pass to the 2 yd. line...Seattle's defense did.4. The Refs didn't miss two field goals, that was Seattle.5. The Refs didn't fail to step out of bounds late in the 1st half to stop the clock in Pitt territory in a crunch time situation...Seattle's offense did.6. The Refs didn't let the 1st half clock tick down from 48 seconds all the way down to 13 seconds before finally running their next play at Pitt's 36 yd line...Seattle's offense did.7. And on this play, 3rd down, 53 yds away from a FG, it wasn't the Refs who tried and failed to go deep for a TD rather than a safer 5-7 yd play and timeout setting up a much easier FG attempt....that, again, would be Seattle's offense.8. The Refs didn't get confused by Pitt's zone defense and throw an INT...that would be Seattle's QB.9. The Refs didn't let a little physical contact intimidate them from catching 4 very catchable passes...that would be the Seattle TE Jeremy Stevens.10. With approx. 20 seconds left in the game, knowing they need a TD and FG, in no particular order, and in easy FG range on 4th down, it wasn't the Refs who ignored the FG and elected to throw up a prayer trying for a TD...that AGAIN would be Seattle.11. The Refs didn't constantly punt deep into the end zone, repeatedly giving Pitt the ball at the 20 yd line...that of course was Seattle.12. It wasn't the Refs who received a Christmas gift wrapped easy INT lobbed in perfect position to return deep into Pitt territory...the lucky beneficiary of that break would be Seattle.13. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when a Steeler DB dropped an easy int early in the game...that too would be a break for Seattle.14. It wasn't the Refs who caught a break when a Steeler WR dropped a very catchable TD pass...that break again would go to Seattle.15. It wasn't the scapegoat Refs that received a break when a WR caught the ball, turned, stepped, was hit hard enough to cause a fumble, and then ruled INCOMPLETE...that would be of course, another chance for Seattle.(this was an interesting call considering that after Troy's famous overruled Int, the NFL stated that it WAS a catch. If so, than this definitely WAS a catch)16. The Refs werent the ones who caught a break when at the conclusion of a 2nd qtr play, as a Pitt DE was walking away, the Seattle Center blindsided the defenseless player, leveling him to the ground. This mysteriously unseen crime was again another break for Seattle.17. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when Pitt QB Big Ben was blocked in the back as he pursued the DB who he'd tossed an int to...that again would go to Seattle.18. It wasn't the Refs who stopped Seattle RB Alexander in a few key situations. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.19. It wasn't the Refs who converted many of their 3rd downs yet stopped their opponent on 3rd down often...that would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.20. And the very bottom line is this...On plays when there wasn't any penalties...One team made plays and one team didn't. The end result was the final score, 21-10 Seattle was outcoached and outplayed.Get over it Seattle.Congratulations to the World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers
 
Im only crying because i missed out on what should have been a good game. I had no dog in the hunt. As an American citizen i am legally entitled to a good Superbowl and that one sucked because the officiating was bru-tal and we all know it. Steelers fans somehow feel the need to defend the officials in order to defend their team. I get the feeling if the Steelers had been more dominating (or at all dominating) on the field they wouldnt be so defensive about the officiating help. A confident teams response would have been 'we could have played the game with no officials at all and kicked the crap out of Seattle' but that clearly was _not_ the case.
No officiating? Maybe they could play a pick-up game in the local school yard too. :X Stop yer whinin'. Legally entitled to a good SB? GET REAL! :lmao:

Steelers won, the NFL has reviewed all calls to death, only 1 was found questionable & it would not affected the outcome.

CRYBABIES... We would like to look forward to kickin' your sorry girlie butts next year, but chances are you won't come close.

 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's the argument you've heard all the Steelers fans present, isn't it? LINK?Bottom line. Ugly game, we played less ugly than they did.
:confused: Am I not allowed to defend the Steelers?
Just an FYI: Sarcasm is usually useful or appropriate if you're actually funny.
Sorry about that. The first one flew way over your head so I had to lower the bar.
Um, no, it didn't. But please keep up with the mentally superior angle...that's money. :lmao:
 
OK. Separate out the Seattle holds. It is fairly common for a team to be called for multiple holding calls when they attempt 49 passes in the game. Sound silly? Not nearly as much as your argument.
Its silly to suggest that a hold is far more subjective than a false start? Seems even Madden was arguing the 2 big holds on Seattle were ticky-tack. Have you ever heard of a ticky-tack false start?
I believe even you can acknowledge that holding will be called more often when a team passes 49 times (Seattle) compared to 23 times (Pittsburgh). It is even more likely when the team passes nearly two-thirds of the time (49 out of 77 plays) and trails for basically all of the second half.
 
Explain away each individual case all you want, but the bottom line is if you throw out the false starts 7 out of 8 penalties went against the Seahawks. Did the Steelers really play that flawlessly?
Yes. The Steelers were flawless, quite possibly the most perfect game a team has every played in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's the argument you've heard all the Steelers fans present, isn't it? LINK?Bottom line. Ugly game, we played less ugly than they did.
:confused: Am I not allowed to defend the Steelers?
Just an FYI: Sarcasm is usually useful or appropriate if you're actually funny.
Sorry about that. The first one flew way over your head so I had to lower the bar.
Um, no, it didn't. But please keep up with the mentally superior angle...that's money. :lmao:
You tried to correct me, I didn't try to correct you.
 
Im only crying because i missed out on what should have been a good game. I had no dog in the hunt. As an American citizen i am legally entitled to a good Superbowl and that one sucked because the officiating was bru-tal and we all know it. Steelers fans somehow feel the need to defend the officials in order to defend their team. I get the feeling if the Steelers had been more dominating (or at all dominating) on the field they wouldnt be so defensive about the officiating help. A confident teams response would have been 'we could have played the game with no officials at all and kicked the crap out of Seattle' but that clearly was _not_ the case.
What's the point? You are still going to :cry: about the officiating.The Seahawks top ranked offense only scored one TD -- if you have a gripe about the SB not being a good game you should be blaming the Seahawks for contiually shooting themselves in the foot.

The Steelers played a more difficult schedule than Seattle, played tougher teams during the playoffs than Seattle ON THE ROAD, and beat the Seahawks by 11 points in the Super Bowl. Not much more to say.
I agree the better team won and the Steelers took the tough road to a well deserved championship. But don't tell me there was only one bad call in the game as that is ridiculous and throws your credibility out the window. :rolleyes:
 
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