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The enigma of Antonio Gates (1 Viewer)

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If Gates is at least decent for me tommorow night, I win the championship. If not, I robably lose. (Without describing my scoring system, Im 20 pts ahead, I have Gates left, my opponent has LT.)

I also have Tony Scheffler sitting on my bench, but I don't have the nerve to start him....

The thing is, is there anyway to predict Rivers and Gates? last week, 0ne catch for 8 yards. That will absolutely kill me.

Please predict here how Gates will perform in this most important game of the FF season...

 
If Gates is at least decent for me tommorow night, I win the championship. If not, I robably lose. (Without describing my scoring system, Im 20 pts ahead, I have Gates left, my opponent has LT.)I also have Tony Scheffler sitting on my bench, but I don't have the nerve to start him....The thing is, is there anyway to predict Rivers and Gates? last week, 0ne catch for 8 yards. That will absolutely kill me.Please predict here how Gates will perform in this most important game of the FF season...
I'm in the same boat -- up 19.2 pts, I have Gates and he has LT. Denver D is generous to tight ends, so am hopeful! I also wonder how long each will play and how that will factor in.
 
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Pretty good article here:

By Kevin Acee

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

December 18, 2007

This season is not finished, the Chargers want to make clear. "We're definitely excited to win the division," center Nick Hardwick said. "But nobody is happy with it. We just won the division. Who cares? We've won it three of the past four years, and we haven't done (expletive) with it."

Champions of the AFC West for the second straight season, the two games left on the schedule will not determine where the Chargers are on the first weekend of January. But these two will determine whom they play that Saturday or Sunday – and beyond. "We can't really protect guys," LaDainian Tomlinson said yesterday. "We clinched a playoff spot, but it's better to be the third seed than the fourth seed. We're in control of our own destiny with that, so we've got to take care of our business."

Simply put, the Chargers can secure that No. 3 seed with two victories. Pittsburgh, currently seeded fourth, has an identical 9-5 record but has lost four games against AFC opponents to the Chargers' three. The Chargers would also hold that same tiebreaker over Cleveland if the Browns were to win the AFC North instead of Pittsburgh.

The No. 3 seed hosts the No. 6 seed (currently Cleveland) in the first round and then travels to play the No. 2 seed (Indianapolis), which has a bye the first round of the postseason. The No. 4 seed hosts No. 5 (currently Jacksonville) and then travels to the No. 1 seed (New England).

"There are a lot of different scenarios, so I'm not going to be caught up in that," Chargers coach Norv Turner said. "I know when we line up to play we're going to be playing a good football team. . . . I'll just worry about that when it gets here."

Make no mistake, though, Turner is aware of the scenarios – including one that would have the No. 3 seed hosting the AFC Championship Game if No. 1 were upset in the second round. And he desires the third seed.

"We want to go win our next two football games," he said.

To what lengths the Chargers will go to accomplish that remains to be seen.

With numerous players recovering from or playing through injuries, the Chargers are fortunate a playoff spot is no longer on the line.

"If we were in a situation where we had to win to get in, you'd push it more with a guy who is trying to get back healthy," Turner said. "But we're going to do what's best for the players, so we can be as healthy as we can be when the postseason starts."

That means that Monday night against Denver, players such as Philip Rivers (knee), Mike Goff (foot), Nick Hardwick (foot) and Jamal Williams (ankle) will continue to play. It means starters will remain in games as long as a victory is in the balance.

But Shawne Merriman (knee) and Luis Castillo (ankle) might not be brought back as quickly, even though both profess to be ready to play.

"We're going to be smart with Shawne; we're going to be smart with Luis and anyone who has something that is iffy," Turner said. "We want to be playing our best, and we want to be healthy when we get into the playoffs. So that will weigh on my mind in making a decision. If we have a guy who is in jeopardy, and it's in his best interest and our best interest to not play (him), then we'll protect him. But for the most part we're going to go play."

Turner is also grateful for the extra day this week to rest. The players were off yesterday and today and will have a light day Wednesday. That is important, because not only will the Chargers have a short week before playing Oakland in the regular-season finale, they also could have a short week before their first playoff game.

If the NFL holds to its pattern of alternating the conference games between early and late Sunday on the first weekend, it will be the AFC's turn to play in the late Sunday slot on Jan. 6. It is likely that a matchup involving Pittsburgh would be more appealing to CBS and the league for the late Sunday spot than a matchup involving the Chargers.

"We've looked hard at the schedule," Turner said. "One of the things I'm going to emphasize hard with our team is that we have this week to really rest, get back healthy. We have to take advantage of that."

Players are on board with playing and finishing strong.

"We need to keep this momentum going," Goff said. " . . . You want to be at your best going into the tournament. It's good we got the invite to the big dance. But we've gotten invited to the dance a couple times before, and we haven't gotten up the nerve to ask anybody else to dance yet.

"I think we realize what lies ahead. We've still got two regular-season games. It's great to get it clinched. How Norv is going to handle things, that's up to him. We can just get ready for Monday night."
Reading between the lines, here is what I'm guessing. Rivers has a sprained knee. They won't take any unnecessary chances with him, like with seven step drops and all that where he can get destroyed. My assumption is that the game plan is to run the ball down Denver's throat with LT, and if they can get a decent lead, it'll be the Volek and Sproles show for much of the 2nd half.
 
If Gates is at least decent for me tommorow night, I win the championship. If not, I probably lose. I also have Tony Scheffler sitting on my bench, but I don't have the nerve to start him....
I think I would actually rather start Scheffler. I'm completely serious.
 
If Gates is at least decent for me tommorow night, I win the championship. If not, I probably lose. I also have Tony Scheffler sitting on my bench, but I don't have the nerve to start him....
I think I would actually rather start Scheffler. I'm completely serious.
I wonder how this guy would feel if he played sheffler over gates and gates ripped up 125 yards and 2 tds to shefflers 2 for 18 yards. lol
 
He usually torches Denver. I say 85 yards + 1 TD
Let's ignore his rookie season when he was fantasy-irrelevant and look at his gamelogs against Denver since then, shall we?2004-4/30/0 (2nd worst game of the year)3/31/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20056/80/0 (5th worst game of the year)3/23/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20065/48/0 (4th worst game of the year)7/104/2 (best game of the year)20077/113/1 (3rd best game of the year so far)So by "Gates usually torches Denver", what you really meant is "Gates has now torched Denver twice in a row, after averaging 4 catches for 42 yards and failing to score a single time in his first 5 games against them".Prior to this season, Denver has been TE kryptonite, shutting down not only Gates, but also Gonzalez in a huge way. This season, though, Denver's fallen off of a huge cliff in that department and has probably been the worst team in the league at defending opposing TEs. Unless Denver puts Bailey 1-on-1 vs. Gates (which they've been hesitant to do recently, but which they'll have to consider based on how bad they've been against TEs recently), then Gates should have a relative field-day against this defense. If Denver DOES put Bailey on Gates, then Scheffler would be a far smarter play.If you really want to go the safer route, I'd go with Scheffler. With Stokley and Walker both ailing, Schef will be the #2 option in the passing game and should be in line for a lot of lovin' tomorrow night.
 
If Gates is at least decent for me tommorow night, I win the championship. If not, I probably lose. I also have Tony Scheffler sitting on my bench, but I don't have the nerve to start him....
I think I would actually rather start Scheffler. I'm completely serious.
I wonder how this guy would feel if he played sheffler over gates and gates ripped up 125 yards and 2 tds to shefflers 2 for 18 yards. lol
Yeah, call it a gut feeling. Denver will be throwing all night in come-from-behind mode, and if LT was responsible for getting the big lead, then Gates has likely done very little anyway. With Graham out and Walker not playing like his usual self, Sheff is the clear #2 target here.
 
If you really want to go the safer route, I'd go with Scheffler. With Stokley and Walker both ailing, Schef will be the #2 option in the passing game and should be in line for a lot of lovin' tomorrow night.
;) I must have been typing when you posted this. My thoughts exactly, as you see above. I love this kid's athleticism. He's in the Dallas Clark mode of a wide receiver playing TE. And I'll always have a soft spot for him because he won me BOATLOADS of cash when he was terrorizing helpless MAC defenses at Western Michigan. His foot is still worrysome though. It won't be 100% healed until next season. He says he still plays in pain, but he fights through it.
 
He usually torches Denver. I say 85 yards + 1 TD
Let's ignore his rookie season when he was fantasy-irrelevant and look at his gamelogs against Denver since then, shall we?2004-4/30/0 (2nd worst game of the year)3/31/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20056/80/0 (5th worst game of the year)3/23/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20065/48/0 (4th worst game of the year)7/104/2 (best game of the year)20077/113/1 (3rd best game of the year so far)So by "Gates usually torches Denver", what you really meant is "Gates has now torched Denver twice in a row, after averaging 4 catches for 42 yards and failing to score a single time in his first 5 games against them".Prior to this season, Denver has been TE kryptonite, shutting down not only Gates, but also Gonzalez in a huge way. This season, though, Denver's fallen off of a huge cliff in that department and has probably been the worst team in the league at defending opposing TEs. Unless Denver puts Bailey 1-on-1 vs. Gates (which they've been hesitant to do recently, but which they'll have to consider based on how bad they've been against TEs recently), then Gates should have a relative field-day against this defense. If Denver DOES put Bailey on Gates, then Scheffler would be a far smarter play.If you really want to go the safer route, I'd go with Scheffler. With Stokley and Walker both ailing, Schef will be the #2 option in the passing game and should be in line for a lot of lovin' tomorrow night.
I'd ask if you always provide the answer after it's been given and just word it up to look "intelligent", but we all know the answer.Also, would ignoring his rookie year, not because he was irrelevant, but because he was a DNP in both games against Denver be ok?
 
I'd ask if you always provide the answer after it's been given and just word it up to look "intelligent", but we all know the answer.
Do we? Ooh, ooh, please, do tell! The suspense is killing me. :rolleyes: I browse in tabbed mode and generally have a dozen threads opened at one time. Some tabs sit for 30-60 minutes before I get them, and I spend a lot of time on my responses. Sorry I hurt your feelings by posting something that you'd posted 30 minutes earlier.
Also, would ignoring his rookie year, not because he was irrelevant, but because he was a DNP in both games against Denver be ok?
So if he had played in those games, you wouldn't ignore his rookie season, anyway?
 
I'd ask if you always provide the answer after it's been given and just word it up to look "intelligent", but we all know the answer.
Do we? Ooh, ooh, please, do tell! The suspense is killing me. :rolleyes: I browse in tabbed mode and generally have a dozen threads opened at one time. Some tabs sit for 30-60 minutes before I get them, and I spend a lot of time on my responses. Sorry I hurt your feelings by posting something that you'd posted 30 minutes earlier.
Also, would ignoring his rookie year, not because he was irrelevant, but because he was a DNP in both games against Denver be ok?
So if he had played in those games, you wouldn't ignore his rookie season, anyway?
DOZEN THREADS AT ONCE?!?!?!!?!?!?! :bow:
 
Taking into account all the most recent info, Gates stat trends this year and what I consider the "All Important" DUE-FACTOR. Antonio Gates= 5-8 recptns, 44-86 yds recvng and 1-2 TD's.

Take these projections for what you will but my personal track record in my two 12 team $ Leagues is pretty impressive when the DUE-FACTOR is involved. I post my DUE projection to the league about once every 3-4 weeks on average,so these are never your common variety "I hope this is what happens" postings.

And yes I do have Gates going in two semi-final matches where I am down 3.4 pts to one opponent who has 0 players left and down 3.3 pts to another who has Selvin Young left. Both leagues are PPR.

Could not be a better time for the DUE-FACTOR. :rolleyes:

 
Taking into account all the most recent info, Gates stat trends this year and what I consider the "All Important" DUE-FACTOR. Antonio Gates= 5-8 recptns, 44-86 yds recvng and 1-2 TD's.Take these projections for what you will but my personal track record in my two 12 team $ Leagues is pretty impressive when the DUE-FACTOR is involved. I post my DUE projection to the league about once every 3-4 weeks on average,so these are never your common variety "I hope this is what happens" postings.And yes I do have Gates going in two semi-final matches where I am down 3.4 pts to one opponent who has 0 players left and down 3.3 pts to another who has Selvin Young left. Both leagues are PPR. Could not be a better time for the DUE-FACTOR. :rolleyes:
I'm DUE to give Scarlett Johansson the worst sex she's ever had. I'll let you know how that turns out.
 
If Gates is at least decent for me tommorow night, I win the championship. If not, I probably lose. I also have Tony Scheffler sitting on my bench, but I don't have the nerve to start him....
I think I would actually rather start Scheffler. I'm completely serious.
I wonder how this guy would feel if he played sheffler over gates and gates ripped up 125 yards and 2 tds to shefflers 2 for 18 yards. lol
Yeah, call it a gut feeling. Denver will be throwing all night in come-from-behind mode, and if LT was responsible for getting the big lead, then Gates has likely done very little anyway.
Gates is usually a big reason when they are having a big lead. I dont think its any suprise who denver has to stop. It is and always will be LT. Im pretty sure denver is going into the game with the #1 priority of stopping LT. Gates should get his usual work. Im hoping anyway.
 
He usually torches Denver. I say 85 yards + 1 TD
Let's ignore his rookie season when he was fantasy-irrelevant and look at his gamelogs against Denver since then, shall we?2004-4/30/0 (2nd worst game of the year)3/31/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20056/80/0 (5th worst game of the year)3/23/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20065/48/0 (4th worst game of the year)7/104/2 (best game of the year)20077/113/1 (3rd best game of the year so far)So by "Gates usually torches Denver", what you really meant is "Gates has now torched Denver twice in a row, after averaging 4 catches for 42 yards and failing to score a single time in his first 5 games against them".Prior to this season, Denver has been TE kryptonite, shutting down not only Gates, but also Gonzalez in a huge way. This season, though, Denver's fallen off of a huge cliff in that department and has probably been the worst team in the league at defending opposing TEs. Unless Denver puts Bailey 1-on-1 vs. Gates (which they've been hesitant to do recently, but which they'll have to consider based on how bad they've been against TEs recently), then Gates should have a relative field-day against this defense. If Denver DOES put Bailey on Gates, then Scheffler would be a far smarter play.If you really want to go the safer route, I'd go with Scheffler. With Stokley and Walker both ailing, Schef will be the #2 option in the passing game and should be in line for a lot of lovin' tomorrow night.
:rolleyes: I have a WR/TE slot and can start Gates or Marshall. I am down by 14. I have Marshall in there now, but expecting that I need a TD to hit 14 points (10/yd, 6/td), I am thinking about Gates. But I am behind the 8-ball because Gruden rested Graham today, so I am hesitant to roll with Gates. Marshall looks out to prove something, and I assume the Broncs are too especially after the pounding they took earlier in the season.Thoughts?
 
RAIDER NATION:I'm DUE to give Scarlett Johansson the worst sex she's ever had. I'll let you know how that turns out

DITTO! that. :rolleyes:

 
I'd ask if you always provide the answer after it's been given and just word it up to look "intelligent", but we all know the answer.

Keep with the detailed posts, SSOG. So much better than the, "Player X always sucks against team Y. Peace out." posts.

 
I have a WR/TE slot and can start Gates or Marshall. I am down by 14. I have Marshall in there now, but expecting that I need a TD to hit 14 points (10/yd, 6/td), I am thinking about Gates. But I am behind the 8-ball because Gruden rested Graham today, so I am hesitant to roll with Gates.
I'm unclear on what one has to do with the other.In the AFC, everyone would certainly want to avoid New England as long as possible. But by the time Tampa played today, Gruden knew that Dallas had won and Green Bay had lost. I wouldn't put it past Gruden that maybe he throttled it down a little bit because it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to go to nice, warm Dallas in the second round (as the # 4 seed) as opposed to frigid Lambeau Field (as the # 3 seed). :rolleyes:
 
I have a WR/TE slot and can start Gates or Marshall. I am down by 14. I have Marshall in there now, but expecting that I need a TD to hit 14 points (10/yd, 6/td), I am thinking about Gates. But I am behind the 8-ball because Gruden rested Graham today, so I am hesitant to roll with Gates.
I'm unclear on what one has to do with the other.In the AFC, everyone would certainly want to avoid New England as long as possible. But by the time Tampa played today, Gruden knew that Dallas had won and Green Bay had lost. I wouldn't put it past Gruden that maybe he throttled it down a little bit because it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to go to nice, warm Dallas in the second round (as the # 4 seed) as opposed to frigid Lambeau Field (as the # 3 seed). :shrug:
I was just making the general point about coaches resting players. I think your post tells me that it's impossible to know what the coach is thinking. So I think I'll roll with Marshall because I doubt he's missing a single play.
 
He usually torches Denver. I say 85 yards + 1 TD
Let's ignore his rookie season when he was fantasy-irrelevant and look at his gamelogs against Denver since then, shall we?2004-4/30/0 (2nd worst game of the year)3/31/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20056/80/0 (5th worst game of the year)3/23/0 (3rd worst game of the year)20065/48/0 (4th worst game of the year)7/104/2 (best game of the year)20077/113/1 (3rd best game of the year so far)So by "Gates usually torches Denver", what you really meant is "Gates has now torched Denver twice in a row, after averaging 4 catches for 42 yards and failing to score a single time in his first 5 games against them".Prior to this season, Denver has been TE kryptonite, shutting down not only Gates, but also Gonzalez in a huge way. This season, though, Denver's fallen off of a huge cliff in that department and has probably been the worst team in the league at defending opposing TEs. Unless Denver puts Bailey 1-on-1 vs. Gates (which they've been hesitant to do recently, but which they'll have to consider based on how bad they've been against TEs recently), then Gates should have a relative field-day against this defense. If Denver DOES put Bailey on Gates, then Scheffler would be a far smarter play.If you really want to go the safer route, I'd go with Scheffler. With Stokley and Walker both ailing, Schef will be the #2 option in the passing game and should be in line for a lot of lovin' tomorrow night.
SSOG> what was the name of the safety that Denver had shadow TE's, that they let go this off-season? His name eludes me. IMO, a change in defensive scheme and personnel is the reason that Denver has been terrible against TE's in 2007. Neither has changed between SD's first game vs Den and tonights game, so I see no reason for that trend not to continue.
 
Before last week, Gates was on the injury report, didn't practice, and only had 1 catch, and then sat part of the game. This week, no mention on the injury report. Homers, what's the inside story? Is he fully healthy? Is he going to be rested at all?

Debating Gates v. Marshall to get me over the hump.

 
He usually torches Denver. I say 85 yards + 1 TD
Last 2 outings have been great, but before that he's been nothing special against DenLast 2 -

Week 14, 2006 7/104/2

Week 5, 2007 7/113/1

In the 5 matchups before that he averaged

4.2/42.5/0
Thank you limp ditka!
You're welcome. I like to provide my information in a quick and effective manner and not bore the masses with lots of words. I'll do my best to keep up the good work, and will do it knowing that people like yourself appreciate it.
 
Before last week, Gates was on the injury report, didn't practice, and only had 1 catch, and then sat part of the game. This week, no mention on the injury report. Homers, what's the inside story? Is he fully healthy? Is he going to be rested at all?Debating Gates v. Marshall to get me over the hump.
The injury concern on Gates along with how good marshall has been all year Im not sure how you could even consider starting Gates over him.
 
Brutis said:
gheemony said:
Before last week, Gates was on the injury report, didn't practice, and only had 1 catch, and then sat part of the game. This week, no mention on the injury report. Homers, what's the inside story? Is he fully healthy? Is he going to be rested at all?Debating Gates v. Marshall to get me over the hump.
The injury concern on Gates along with how good marshall has been all year Im not sure how you could even consider starting Gates over him.
I've noticed that Mashall is hot. You've noticed. I assume SD has too. How many times has a WR gone 10+ for 100+ in multiple games? I don't have the stats, but I assume it's not frequent. Partly because it's really impressive, but I also assume that by the third time, the opponent decides that they should shut down that WR.Another reason I am giving it a thought is that I need 15 points to win. Marshall has done that twice this year. Gates? 4 times. So while Marshall has been incredibly consistent this year, he hasn't put up monster games as frequently. Getting 15 points or more means (more likely than not) that a TD was scored, and Gates is a red zone monster while Marshall has not scored much.So polishing my quarter now. Will flip it about 30 minutes before kickoff. Would be nice if it is academic and both Gates and Marshall have monster games. :bow:
 
BusterTBronco said:
This thread should be re-titled.Please replace the word "enigma" with the word "stench"That about sums up how most Gates owners feel right now. Thank you.
the broncos are bad... Cant fault Gates for the Broncos being bad...
 
SSOG> what was the name of the safety that Denver had shadow TE's, that they let go this off-season? His name eludes me.
Curome Cox and Sam Brandon have both spent some time in coverage on TEs in the "big nickle" defensive package. I believe Hamza Abdullah has spent some time in that role, as well, but can't remember any specific instances for certain.
 
Does anyone know where I can find the photo of his one grab tonight?

It was the determining catch in our league's Superbowl.

 

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