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What did I miss?did you read any of this thread?@kupcho1 : a personal request: can you use a different color for your posts? It’s probably my color blindness but I have a lot of trouble reading them. Tia
What did I miss?did you read any of this thread?@kupcho1 : a personal request: can you use a different color for your posts? It’s probably my color blindness but I have a lot of trouble reading them. Tia
The inability to see kupchos posts has been discussed extensively.What did I miss?did you read any of this thread?@kupcho1 : a personal request: can you use a different color for your posts? It’s probably my color blindness but I have a lot of trouble reading them. Tia
I see. And here I figured it was just me. I have a bit of color blindness.The inability to see kupchos posts has been discussed extensively.What did I miss?did you read any of this thread?@kupcho1 : a personal request: can you use a different color for your posts? It’s probably my color blindness but I have a lot of trouble reading them. Tia
I still find it hilarious that the Harry Potter book (and film) is Philosopher’s Stone in practically every other country.Phase 4: Counting down from 100
Five more including a #1 ranked book as well as a repeat performace by Collected Fictions aka Ficciones.
85 My Antonia Willa Cather Oliver Humanzee, Mrs.Marco Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone J.K. Rowling scoobus, Mrs.Marco, Psychopav 83 Crime and Punishment Fyodor Dostoevsky Oliver Humanzee, Psychopav, Long Ball Larry The Unbearable Lightness of Being Milan Kundera ilov80s, Eephus, krista4 82 Collected Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Oliver Humanzee, Long Ball Larry
85. My Antonia by Willa Cather
Oliver Humanzee: #3
Mrs.Marco: #28
Total points: 173
Average: 86.5
85. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Psychopav: #11
scoobus: #16
Mrs.Marco: #58
Total points: 173
Average: 57.7
83. Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Long Ball Larry: #13
Oliver Humanzee: #19
Psychopav: #40
Total points: 174
Average: 58.0
83. The Unbearable Lightness of Being by Milan Kundera
ilov80s: #7
Eephus: #27
krista4: #51
Total points: 174
Average: 58.0
82. Collected Fictions by Jorge Luis Borges
Long Ball Larry: #70
Oliver Humanzee: #34
Total points: 177
Average: 88.5
I'll be your guinea pig. I was at the used store today and started my FBG shelf. Walked in with $20, walked out with 6 books. 2 are Hamlet and the No Fear version of A Midsummer Night's Dream. I haven't read or seen any version of Hamlet to my knowledge, so that was the main target. I've done many of your other suggestions, but Hamlet and MacBeth are still 2 huge ones I haven't gotten to. I normally wouldn't bother with the No Fear version, but you asked and it was $1, so WTF. I've read/seen Midsummer's Night so I thought that would be a quick run through.A Midsummer Night's Dreams and The Winter's Tale.
She was a believer in reading before watching so these two would be my first recommendations if you plan to see them. Doing so mutes the payoff a little, especially with The Winter's Tale. It's a tragicomedy told in two parts set some 15 years apart. First part tragic, second part comic. I thought about that too long but decided it would be brilliant to read the first half before seeing the play and be Shakespeared by the actors for the 2nd half.
My standard recs for someone wanting to dig in are two each - comedies, tragedies and histories. In that order: A Midsummer Night's Dream, Twelfth Night, Richard III, Henry IV (pt 1), Hamlet, King Lear. These recs are character driven. Puck in Midsummer, Falstaff in Henry IV, Malvolio 12th Night, King Lear (Anthony Hopkins ftw), Hamlet and Richard (Olivier's masterpiece).
Something I'd enjoy a report back on is anyone's opinion of No Fear Shakespeares. These put the Elizabethan alongside modern language for the comprehension aid. Never tried that. What little I've looked at seemed to ruin the brilliant prose, but I could see it being very helpful. Read one that way and one from Folger and see what works better. Folgers are also very helpful with notes and translations.
Philosophizing is for those hoity toity Europeans. Sorcerer sounds way more bad ***.I still find it hilarious that the Harry Potter book (and film) is Philosopher’s Stone in practically every other country.Phase 4: Counting down from 100
Five more including a #1 ranked book as well as a repeat performace by Collected Fictions aka Ficciones.
85 My Antonia Willa Cather Oliver Humanzee, Mrs.Marco Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone J.K. Rowling scoobus, Mrs.Marco, Psychopav 83 Crime and Punishment Fyodor Dostoevsky Oliver Humanzee, Psychopav, Long Ball Larry The Unbearable Lightness of Being Milan Kundera ilov80s, Eephus, krista4 82 Collected Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Oliver Humanzee, Long Ball Larry
85. My Antonia by Willa Cather
Oliver Humanzee: #3
Mrs.Marco: #28
Total points: 173
Average: 86.5
85. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Psychopav: #11
scoobus: #16
Mrs.Marco: #58
Total points: 173
Average: 57.7
83. Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Long Ball Larry: #13
Oliver Humanzee: #19
Psychopav: #40
Total points: 174
Average: 58.0
83. The Unbearable Lightness of Being by Milan Kundera
ilov80s: #7
Eephus: #27
krista4: #51
Total points: 174
Average: 58.0
82. Collected Fictions by Jorge Luis Borges
Long Ball Larry: #70
Oliver Humanzee: #34
Total points: 177
Average: 88.5
But in the US a Philosopher is seen as a negative thing and unaccessible to children somehow.
Same with Madness of King George III changed to remove the III in case people hadnt seen the first two lol
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“I can’t even think about this. Someone else can talk about this one.
A screaming comes across the sky.
OK, I'll give it a shot. Gravity’s Rainbow was the 1974 Pultizer prize winner. Until it wasn't. I've talked about that over here.
W/r/t the book, it's historical fiction (WWII) with elements of science fiction thrown in. It's a little like Neal Stephenson (if you're familiar with his work), but whereas Stephenson grounds his work (almost entirely) in real science and jargon, Pynchon utilizes jokes and puns. These are often not obvious, and the walk to arrive at them, can be a long and winding road.
An example: Pynchon includes an entire digressive narrative on illicit trading in furs, henchmen, rowboats with a character named De Mille to set up
For De Mille, young fur-henchmen can't be rowing.
In doing a little research to discuss Gravity’s Rainbow, I came across a term I'd never before encountered: Menippean satire (which is, apparently, a real thing and not something the author (linked above in the pdf) did as an homage to Pynchon).
In Menippean satire, characters come to stand for ideas in play in the text.
One character, Roger Mexico, may stand for spontaneity and love, whereas his colleague Ned Pointsman represents determinism, conditioning and control. These two then get into situations that can only be described as implausible. This is done so that these two can discuss ideas in "real life" that otherwise could only be argued in an academic setting. These interactions do not advance the plot or develop either character. I think is one of the reasons people find Pynchon almost impenetrable.
Jokes and puns aside, there's a deeper level if you care to dig deeper. Another digression is when Tyrone Slothrop is offered candies by his latest conquest's landlady. These candies are horrific, turning out to be "luscious pepsin-flavored nougat, chock-full of tangy candied cubeb berries, and a chewy camphor-gum center."
But what's the point?
Two of the candies are named Lafitte Rothschild and Benrkastler Doktor. Rothschild is a famous European Jewish family; Bernkastler Doktor is a German wine. Pynchon could have used any winemakers, but he used Bernkastler Doktor do suggest Nazi doctors and Lafitte Rotschild to stand in for holocaust victims (a Rothschild was killed at Auschwitz).
I could take this discussion in a number of different directions, but I'll stop here. If you do read this book, you can always check out the Gravity's Rainbow reading guide for clarity. Or the Pynchon wiki if you want to read the book in an annotated fashion.
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I'll be your guinea pig. I was at the used store today and started my FBG shelf. Walked in with $20, walked out with 6 books. 2 are Hamlet and the No Fear version of A Midsummer Night's Dream. I haven't read or seen any version of Hamlet to my knowledge, so that was the main target. I've done many of your other suggestions, but Hamle and MacBeth are still 2 huge ones I haven't gotten to. I normally wouldn't bother with the No Fear version, but you asked and it was $1, so WTF. I've read/seen Midsummer's Night so I thought that would be a quick run through.
81 | Never Let Me Go | Kazuo Ishiguro | kupcho1, Don Quixote, krista4 |
80 | Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows | J.K. Rowling | scoobus, Frostillicus |
78 | Wuthering Heights | Emily Brontë | turnjose7, Mrs.Marco, rockaction |
The Big Sleep | Raymond Chandler | ilov80s, chaos34, Don Quixote, Eephus |
was the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
Based on book. With Michelle Williams and K.Knighlywas the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
I love the movie so will check out the book.Based on book. With Michelle Williams and K.Knighlywas the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
I've seen the movie but never read the book. Always thought the title gave one no idea about what the story was really aboutwas the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
Love the book (which is why ranked), but have not seen the movie. Will need to check out.I love the movie so will check out the book.Based on book. With Michelle Williams and K.Knighlywas the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
Ok I should check out bothI love the movie so will check out the book.Based on book. With Michelle Williams and K.Knighlywas the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
I ranked one book from both HP and GoT. I opted to go with my favorite book of each series as I didn't want a bunch of entries from the same series on my list. I also figured I'd probably have trouble deciding a precise order for some of them, whereas usually the one you liked the most at least stands out a bit.I didn't see that Deathly Hallow's was somebody's #1. Love it. I have been wondering how people will handle bigger series like that. When I was thinking about what I was going rank, I think I landed on something like: if there was a series where I thought all of them were good/great, I went with book 1 (The Expanse, for example) . If there was one that stood out as a big fave of mine, I wrote that down specifically (Harry Potter and GoT, for example).
Same.if there was a series where I thought all of them were good/great, I went with book 1
Same.if there was a series where I thought all of them were good/great, I went with book 1
I am hoping that one comes up laterHe did win it in 1989 for Remains of the Day, so maybe they were looking to spread the love.
I am hoping that one comes up laterHe did win it in 1989 for Remains of the Day, so maybe they were looking to spread the love.
Phase 4: Counting down from 100
Let's do 4 today including a #1 choice. I was hoping that the split between days would be different, as these 4 books are so similar that it might inhibit discussion. Oh well...
81 Never Let Me Go Kazuo Ishiguro kupcho1, Don Quixote, krista4 80 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows J.K. Rowling scoobus, Frostillicus 78 Wuthering Heights Emily Brontë turnjose7, Mrs.Marco, rockaction The Big Sleep Raymond Chandler ilov80s, chaos34, Don Quixote, Eephus
81. Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro
kupcho1: #5
krista4: #29
Don Quixote: #55
Total points: 178
Average: 59.3
80. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by J.K. Rowling
scoobus: #1
Frostillicus: #31
Total points: 180
Average: 90.0
78. Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë
rockaction: #12
Mrs.Marco: #14
turnjose7: #54
Total points: 181
Average: 45.3
78. The Big Sleep by Raymond Chandler
ilov80s: #6
Eephus: #29
Don Quixote: #57
chaos34: #61
Total points: 181
Average: 45.3
Harry Potter a second day in a row, this time as the #1 from @scoobus .
I'll be back later to talk about that other Japanese author, Kazuo Ishiguro, and my #5 pick Never Let Me Go
Based on book. With Michelle Williams and K.Knighlywas the movie based on that book or just same name?Love it- Never Let Me Go would be in my top 10.
This was assigned reading in my 10th grade American Lit class. It made zero impression on my adolescent mind.I never thought I'd be a person constantly eating "greens" - kale, collards, chard, whatever - but damn, I love them. It helps to have a fantastic cook around. I found out one of the secrets last time he made collards - using at least two different kinds of vinegar. Anyway, I'm watching kale being prepared. So are the cats, two of whom have stolen the stems and run off with them.
This book was #3 on OH's list, but...
My Antonia by Willa Cather
"I nearly ranked this #1. It’s probably the most pleasurable and satisfying novel on my list, and I’ve read it more times than most other novels. While I generally don’t rate “readability” as the greatest quality of an author, Willa Cather’s prose is...well, she performs something like a magic trick, where I’m instantly unaware of words on a page, but instead there’s a story unfolding in my mind as if I were watching a movie. Despite the fact that there are a lot internal monologues with a lot of characters' thoughts being narrated, I must have read it 10 times or more and couldn’t tell you one good line. I don’t know how she does it, how it works. It’s transparent; it simply disappears. There’s nothing, no artifice, between the reader and the story. Hemingway is given a lot of credit for that Midwestern minimalist style, but as a stylist I don’t think he’s fit to buckle Willa Cather’s boots. Her writing is so generous and so absent of ego. There’s not a single thing that you credit as "oh, how smart, how wise"...it’s all a thing that she’s given us. It’s that same generosity of spirit and no nonsense, workmanlike, let’s get down to it that’s what the novel is about as well. How these immigrants survived on the prairie, far from the city, relying only on themselves. It’s literally how America was made and by whom. ****, this should have been #1."
Glad I grabbed this one yesterday!I never thought I'd be a person constantly eating "greens" - kale, collards, chard, whatever - but damn, I love them. It helps to have a fantastic cook around. I found out one of the secrets last time he made collards - using at least two different kinds of vinegar. Anyway, I'm watching kale being prepared. So are the cats, two of whom have stolen the stems and run off with them.
This book was #3 on OH's list, but...
My Antonia by Willa Cather
"I nearly ranked this #1. It’s probably the most pleasurable and satisfying novel on my list, and I’ve read it more times than most other novels. While I generally don’t rate “readability” as the greatest quality of an author, Willa Cather’s prose is...well, she performs something like a magic trick, where I’m instantly unaware of words on a page, but instead there’s a story unfolding in my mind as if I were watching a movie. Despite the fact that there are a lot internal monologues with a lot of characters' thoughts being narrated, I must have read it 10 times or more and couldn’t tell you one good line. I don’t know how she does it, how it works. It’s transparent; it simply disappears. There’s nothing, no artifice, between the reader and the story. Hemingway is given a lot of credit for that Midwestern minimalist style, but as a stylist I don’t think he’s fit to buckle Willa Cather’s boots. Her writing is so generous and so absent of ego. There’s not a single thing that you credit as "oh, how smart, how wise"...it’s all a thing that she’s given us. It’s that same generosity of spirit and no nonsense, workmanlike, let’s get down to it that’s what the novel is about as well. How these immigrants survived on the prairie, far from the city, relying only on themselves. It’s literally how America was made and by whom. ****, this should have been #1."
Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro, my #5 is a great book, and if you intend to read it, don't investigate beforehand, and certainly don't see the movie. Hell, don't even try to find out what the genre is. My advice: go in cold. But do go in.
I'll give it to you as a Scrabble score.Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro, my #5 is a great book, and if you intend to read it, don't investigate beforehand, and certainly don't see the movie. Hell, don't even try to find out what the genre is. My advice: go in cold. But do go in.
Can I at least get a hint at the genre?
I went into it without knowing the genre (I just trusted Ishiguro based on some others of his that have read), and I would second kupcho that better to go in cold. I feel like even the genre could be a bit of a spoiler.Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro, my #5 is a great book, and if you intend to read it, don't investigate beforehand, and certainly don't see the movie. Hell, don't even try to find out what the genre is. My advice: go in cold. But do go in.
Can I at least get a hint at the genre?
Ok, one hint: it's not a WesternNever Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro, my #5 is a great book, and if you intend to read it, don't investigate beforehand, and certainly don't see the movie. Hell, don't even try to find out what the genre is. My advice: go in cold. But do go in.
Can I at least get a hint at the genre?
77 | A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) | George R.R. Martin | scoobus, shuke |
76 | The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) | Patrick Rothfuss | scoobus, TheBaylorKid |
Phase 4: Counting down from 100
Let's make it a light day today.
77 A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) George R.R. Martin scoobus, shuke 76 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Ken Kesey kupcho1, guru_007, Long Ball Larry 75 The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) Patrick Rothfuss scoobus, TheBaylorKid
81. A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) by George R.R. Martin
scoobus: #8
shuke: #12
Total points: 181
Average: 90.5
80. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
Long Ball Larry: #9
kupcho1: #15
guru_007: #63
Total points: 182
Average: 60.7
78. The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) by Patrick Rothfuss
scoobus: #6
TheBaylorKid: #15
Total points: 189
Average: 94.5
A classic from the early 60s sandwiched by the second volumes of two fantasy series.
Ok nobody jumped in on it soooo...
The Big Sleep by Raymond Chandler
Forget the plot. People are getting blackmailed and killed and there is underground porn and there are loose threads everywhere. This isn't hard boiled writing, this is the birth of it. If you like detective books, this is the alpha and omega.
Such a lot of guns around town and so few brains.
If I had a razor, I'd cut your throat - just to see what ran out of it.
"I’m a copper,” he said. “Just a plain ordinary copper. Reasonably honest. As honest as you could expect a man to be in a world where it’s out of style."
It was a good run.
It's been a while since I've said this, but I am missing from a book listed above. I also had One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, at #59.
Hilarious. These two books side by side.Phase 4: Counting down from 100
Let's make it a light day today.
77 A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) George R.R. Martin scoobus, shuke 76 The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) Patrick Rothfuss scoobus, TheBaylorKid
77. A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) by George R.R. Martin
scoobus: #8
shuke: #12
Total points: 181
Average: 90.5
76. The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) by Patrick Rothfuss
scoobus: #6
TheBaylorKid: #15
Total points: 189
Average: 94.5
A classic from the early 60s sandwiched by the second volumes of two fantasy series.
Two great books and series that might never get finished!!Hilarious. These two books side by side.Phase 4: Counting down from 100
Let's make it a light day today.
77 A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) George R.R. Martin scoobus, shuke 76 The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) Patrick Rothfuss scoobus, TheBaylorKid
77. A Clash of Kings (Vol. 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire) by George R.R. Martin
scoobus: #8
shuke: #12
Total points: 181
Average: 90.5
76. The Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle: Day Two) by Patrick Rothfuss
scoobus: #6
TheBaylorKid: #15
Total points: 189
Average: 94.5
A classic from the early 60s sandwiched by the second volumes of two fantasy series.
In hindsight, I think this one is my favorite volume of the series. I know book one gets a lot of love, and book three would win in a vote. Both are really good. But A Clash Of Kings is where Martin really put the pedal to the metal.A Clash of Kings by George R.R. Martin
I'm not much into the fantasy genre. A couple of good friends had to convince me to read these. Game of Thrones absolutely blew my socks off. I had to keep reading the series. I ranked the first three books in my top 70, I'd probably give them all a 10 out of 10 rating. I'm really glad I read these before I switched to an e-readers, since I was constantly flipping to the back to look at the map or the names of characters from each house. Ironically enough, having to haul these large books while traveling is one of the reasons I switched to an e-reader.
Obviously, I'm very disappointed that I this series hasn't been finished yet. But I'm not sure if I'll read any more if they come out. It's been so long, and for whatever reason I didn't get into books 4 and 5 that much.